Islam is a Non-Issue

[Churchwork]

[BANNED]

1) Blasphemy of any kind towards Allah (sw), Prophet Muhammad (saww), the Ahlul-Bayt and any Prophet of Allah, shall be met with a permanent ban from this site. No warning is necessary.

[Javy]

Israel has a choice: either to cease to exist as a nation and have its own mothers and children and people die by rockets day after day, or they can continue to kill Islamic children and mothers and fathers at a rate of 10 to 1. The rockets from Lebanon started before Israel moved into Lebanon and placed their flags everywhere. How cunning and couth to ask Israel to leave southern Lebanon when Israel had already done so in 2000, only to receive 200+ rockets per day fired into Israeli cities with ball bearings with the explicit intent an so full of hate to kill people vainly, whereas Israel responds to save its own hide, even its very existence.

Shame on you! shame on you! It is this attitude that has made genuine peace loving Christians hated amongst the Islamic world. You support a secular state, full of secular Jews in there indiscriminant slaughter of HUNDREDS. I challenge you to re-exmamine your "Christian" beliefs, I have realized that "Rapture Eschatology" "Newspaper Eschatology" AKA Dispensationalist nosense has influence my brothers and sisters in Christ to support BLINDLY a state that is commiting atrocities. Since when did God choose a Jew over an Arab? Since when was the promise move from the tribe of Israel, to the gentile Church? You yourself if trained in eschatology would be well trained in your theology to know that the "CHURCH-BODY OF CHRIST" Is the new Israel, NOT a secular state, not an almost terror like state.

Since when are you showing the love of Christ? since when are you searching the commonalities of Islam and Christianity, instead you have cause division fed the fire of hate, and began another sad route to destruction of ideas where Islam and Christianity can build from.

You are not doing what the scriptures call; We are to love all, including unbelievers, you are to seek there repentance and there coming to the faith in God.

The revived Roman Empire will push Israel back all the way to Jerusalem. People think this is about Islam. I don't think so. No matter how evil Islam is, they always seem utterly incapable of accomplishing their aims of world denomination, so I believe it is political Rome that pushes Israel back, not Islam. Political Rome is Babylon the Great (Rev. 18) and will be closely aligned with religious Rome (Roman Church) in Revelation 17. It becomes jealous of Israel's power and then attempts to squash her. It's at that moment when Israel looks like she is about to be destroyed that Christ returns, gives Israel her land back all the way to Euphrates River.

Keep believing in your 'rapture' you should know its the younger of all end times beliefs, 19th century gives you a hint as to its truth.

THIS THREAD SHOULD BE DELETED AND MEMBER BANNED

A CHRISTIAN NOT PRAYING FOR PEACE- IS NOT A CHRISTIAN

Edited August 9, 2006 by Javy

[Churchwork]

I tell you the truth!

Chiliasm was the term used in the first century for the premillennial rapture view. First century!

http://biblocality.com/chat

Israel forsook the new covenant rejecting Christ. Yet God made a covenant promise with her to be the center of all nations. She will not believe until Christ returns in Person when He splits the mount of olives. Therefore Christians receive the new covenant beforehand and overcomer believers will reign with Christ in the millennial kingdom.

Israel will remain the center from where Christ reigns, but they will not reign as kings and priests.

Peace

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[Javy]

I tell you the truth

You w/your dangerous ideology pose a threat to established Christian doctrine and spew hatred and lies w/your tolerance of Israeli agressive tactics. I would venture to say that you posted this nonsense simply to inflame and that your tactics were simply UNCHRISTIAN. May God have mercy on you, and your way of thinking .Clearly you have not been able to see the true light of Revelations and its interpreation in the frame work of a first century audience. I shall pray that you come to your senses as a brother in Christ we should strive for unity and harmony in the Body of Christ sadly you w/this idea are causing division. Something that Paul speaks out against in Romans 9 -- Please just stop coming by ;)

[Churchwork]

I tell you this truth accordingly so you may receive Christ into your life and be regenerated by the Holy Spirit. These things must come to pass before Christ returns. Even so if you enter the Tribulation God's wrath won't be against you if you accept His only begotten Son, but if you do not come to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior, then God shall not be able to receive to the throne or meet Him in the air.

It is my sincerest prayer you receive Christ into your life because He gave His life for you. I would not wish hell an eternal separation from God on my worse enemy!

What I find helps people is if they break down their outerman with Christian music so God can reach into your spirit - http://biblocality.com/chat

Edited August 9, 2006 by Churchwork

[Javy]

I will not turn this into a theological debate, b/w two Christians, but on the other hand will let you listen to the Arab, and Islamic apologists here who have much to say about the evils of Israel.

Good luck brother. ^_^

[Mutawahid]

Therefore Christians receive the new covenant beforehand and overcomer believers will reign with Christ in the millennial kingdom.

The Christians have nothing to do with Jesus (as) .

Christianity is a religion created by pagans, for pagans. It has nothing to do with the Prophets, nor God.

The Jews (Zionists) are a mischevious people, infact the worst people (as testified in the Qur'an).

They will meet a disastrous end, as will those who support them.

[Javy]

Oh. Wonderful two wackjobs. I defend and get offended. Praise Allah.

[Mutawahid]

Do not use your Lord's name in vain.

Can you Christians atleast try that? You have already attributed equals to Him, the least you could do is respect the name.

[Peaceful-sunni]

Ok let the Christians reject rational thought.

I mean the world is 6,000 years old what where you thinking and the world created in 6 days laugable.

Christ was a Jew not a Christian in his world he couldn't go to hell nor could his Jewish people but the Chrisitan who where not Jews can. Weird....

[Churchwork]

Christians don't think the world was created 6000 years ago, lol.

Rather, God created the first Adamic man 6000 years ago. So much for Islam being Abrahamic.

The 6 days are 6 twenty-four literal days which summarize the restoration after God made the earth desolate and waste in Gen. 1.2 because of earth's earliest ages of sin from fallen Lucifer, fallen angels and demons.

If you were Abrahamic then you would know this, but you misread it.

Study it,

http://www3.telus.net/trbrooks/mystery.htm

Christ was a Jew not a Christian in his world he couldn't go to hell nor could his Jewish people but the Chrisitan who where not Jews can. Weird....

Jesus was Jewish. A Christian is for Christ. Is Jesus for Himself? No. He is for the Father. God is not a Christian but the Father of His Children who are Christians. Jesus being God is omnipresent with the Father and the Spirit. Except that when He broke into creation He agreed to empty Himself of His indepedent attributes to be the Savior of Men and Lord of all. His being omnipresent at the right hand of the Father, He can go anywhere He wants to, even hell, for He created in the council with the Father and the Spirit, and that includes creating hell.

Israelites were not disqualified from going to Hell. The OT talks about the furnace quite a bit and eternal separation from God. Christians can't go to hell insofar as to be eternally separated from God, nor will anyone who receives the precious blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Weird how you explain things to misunderstand, but that Satan for you indwelling the spirit of souls by the evil spirit. It is a non-humble spirit of overassuming and independent from God like Adam's fall from grace.

Edited August 9, 2006 by Churchwork

[Iman]

(bismillah)

Assalam alaykum,

Javy - I really appreciated your responses to "Churchwork".

"Churchwork" - I really hope you will have the courtesy to browse the forum and read the various threads here rather than waste your time by delivering the splutter of your tremor filled speeches (sorry that was the image that came to mind when reading your 'posts' :lol: ). In particular I urge you to read the various threads and posts in the Lebanon Under Seige forum right over here.

FYI, your comment -

Isn't it amazing the situation we are in now where Islam is using their own children and mothers as human shields as they fire rockets behind them? As well as child sacrifices, training them to grow up to be suicide mass-murderers?

You can find your answers here .. and most probably your answer to many others in the link posted above.

[Peaceful-sunni]

"Rather, God created the first Adamic man 6000 years ago. So much for Islam being Abrahamic."

Man has existed before Abraham we may be an abrhamic faith but we know that man older because in the Qu'ran it makes clear suggestion that man in older that 6000 years.

"The 6 days are 6 twenty-four literal days which summarize the restoration after God made the earth desolate and waste in Gen. 1.2 because of earth's earliest ages of sin from fallen Lucifer, fallen angels and demons."

Rigth lucifer lives on pleasent earth right! Beacause the earth is center of the universe right like there no other planets with other life forms.

So you believe god needed 6 days to create one usless planet how do you answer people who believe in the Big bang. Like my self for example.

You see we believe our God is almighty he doesn't need to take 6 days to do something to create one planest instead he take seconds to create whole universes. And he need no one. Plus my God is superior because he the only one that exist he is free from Human error. He is one and nobody least of all one carperter is even in the same light as him.

It the arogance of man thinking him like God.

So Church why are you here on these board?

And i am gonna leave you with a quto from Marlyin Manson

"The way i see it you need to be saved to go to heaven (according to Christian docturine) you need to be yourself to go to hell"