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Hizbullah's attacks stem from Israeli incursions into Lebanon

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Hizbullah's attacks stem from Israeli incursions into Lebanon

By Anders Strindberg

08/01/06 "Christian Science Monitor" -- -- NEW YORK – As pundits and policymakers scramble to explain events in Lebanon, their conclusions are virtually unanimous: Hizbullah created this crisis. Israel is defending itself. The underlying problem is Arab extremism.

Sadly, this is pure analytical nonsense. Hizbullah's capture of two Israeli soldiers on July 12 was a direct result of Israel's silent but unrelenting aggression against Lebanon, which in turn is part of a six-decades long Arab-Israeli conflict.

Since its withdrawal of occupation forces from southern Lebanon in May 2000, Israel has violated the United Nations-monitored "blue line" on an almost daily basis, according to UN reports. Hizbullah's military doctrine, articulated in the early 1990s, states that it will fire Katyusha rockets into Israel only in response to Israeli attacks on Lebanese civilians or Hizbullah's leadership; this indeed has been the pattern.

In the process of its violations, Israel has terrorized the general population, destroyed private property, and killed numerous civilians. This past February, for instance, 15-year-old shepherd Yusuf Rahil was killed by unprovoked Israeli cross-border fire as he tended his flock in southern Lebanon. Israel has assassinated its enemies in the streets of Lebanese cities and continues to occupy Lebanon's Shebaa Farms area, while refusing to hand over the maps of mine fields that continue to kill and cripple civilians in southern Lebanon more than six years after the war supposedly ended. What peace did Hizbullah shatter?

Hizbullah's capture of the soldiers took place in the context of this ongoing conflict, which in turn is fundamentally shaped by realities in the Palestinian territories. To the vexation of Israel and its allies, Hizbullah - easily the most popular political movement in the Middle East - unflinchingly stands with the Palestinians.

Since June 25, when Palestinian fighters captured one Israeli soldier and demanded a prisoner exchange, Israel has killed more than 140 Palestinians. Like the Lebanese situation, that flare-up was detached from its wider context and was said to be "manufactured" by the enemies of Israel; more nonsense proffered in order to distract from the apparently unthinkable reality that it is the manner in which Israel was created, and the ideological premises that have sustained it for almost 60 years, that are the core of the entire Arab-Israeli conflict.

Once the Arabs had rejected the UN's right to give away their land and to force them to pay the price for European pogroms and the Holocaust, the creation of Israel in 1948 was made possible only by ethnic cleansing and annexation. This is historical fact and has been documented by Israeli historians, such as Benny Morris. Yet Israel continues to contend that it had nothing to do with the Palestinian exodus, and consequently has no moral duty to offer redress.

For six decades the Palestinian refugees have been refused their right to return home because they are of the wrong race. "Israel must remain a Jewish state," is an almost sacral mantra across the Western political spectrum. It means, in practice, that Israel is accorded the right to be an ethnocracy at the expense of the refugees and their descendants, now close to 5 million.

Is it not understandable that Israel's ethnic preoccupation profoundly offends not only Palestinians, but many of their Arab brethren? Yet rather than demanding that Israel acknowledge its foundational wrongs as a first step toward equality and coexistence, the Western world blithely insists that each and all must recognize Israel's right to exist at the Palestinians' expense.

Western discourse seems unable to accommodate a serious, as opposed to cosmetic concern for Palestinians' rights and liberties: The Palestinians are the Indians who refuse to live on the reservation; the Negroes who refuse to sit in the back of the bus.

By what moral right does anyone tell them to be realistic and get over themselves? That it is too much of a hassle to right the wrongs committed against them? That the front of the bus must remain ethnically pure? When they refuse to recognize their occupier and embrace their racial inferiority, when desperation and frustration causes them to turn to violence, and when neighbors and allies come to their aid - some for reasons of power politics, others out of idealism - we are astonished that they are all such fanatics and extremists.

The fundamental obstacle to understanding the Arab-Israeli conflict is that we have given up on asking what is right and wrong, instead asking what is "practical" and "realistic." Yet reality is that Israel is a profoundly racist state, the existence of which is buttressed by a seemingly endless succession of punitive measures, assassinations, and wars against its victims and their allies.

A realistic understanding of the conflict, therefore, is one that recognizes that the crux is not in this or that incident or policy, but in Israel's foundational and per- sistent refusal to recognize the humanity of its Palestinian victims. Neither Hizbullah nor Hamas are driven by a desire to "wipe out Jews," as is so often claimed, but by a fundamental sense of injustice that they will not allow to be forgotten.

These groups will continue to enjoy popular legitimacy because they fulfill the need for someone - anyone - to stand up for Arab rights. Israel cannot destroy this need by bombing power grids or rocket ramps. If Israel, like its former political ally South Africa, has the capacity to come to terms with principles of democracy and human rights and accept egalitarian multiracial coexistence within a single state for Jews and Arabs, then the foundation for resentment and resistance will have been removed. If Israel cannot bring itself to do so, then it will continue to be the vortex of regional violence.

Anders Strindberg, formerly a visiting professor at Damascus University, Syria, is a consultant on Middle East politics working with European government and law-enforcement agencies. He has also covered Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinian territories as a journalist since the late 1990s, primarily for European publications.

Copyright © 2006 The Christian Science Monitor. All rights reserved.

Hizbullah's attacks stem from Israeli incursions into Lebanon

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And the incursions stem from hezbollah attacks on Israel.

Umm...you do realize that the soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory? I find it hilarious that westerners have the notion that history starts, where they deem it fit. Yea, the world started on 9/11. There wasnt no reason attack America, only because they hated your freedom.

Israel has been known for instilling spies in the Lebanese Govt, flying over Lebanon, and known for violating the blue line thousands of times in the last 6 years, with UN condemnation. This is provocation.

Somehow the facts get left out. I agree, information is useless if it fears ALL the facts. So why does CNN, MSNBC, FOX fear the facts? Are they afraid that the general American public might turn on Israel if they realized the truth about this fascist nation?

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So if someone kidnaps your kid on the way home from school, that's ok with you?

Again, let's get some facts on the table. Soldiers were kidnapped for a purpose. It's not up to whoever kidnaps to decide how the offended party reacts.

Hezbollag took a gamble, and they lost. Even Nasrallah admitted he didn't count on the Israelis saying enough is enough.

More brilliant forethought...

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i used to always hear from Hizbullaah proponents and romantics (myself in the past), that Hizbullaah does not target any but military targets. Whatever happened to that? Was that ALWAYS a lie or did it just recently become a lie?

Salaam

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And the incursions stem from hezbollah attacks on Israel.

Somehow that fact got left out. Information is useless if it fears ALL the facts.

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It sure is :angel: Information is useless if it fears ALL the facts. U aint got no credability mate :) track record speaks 4 itself.

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So if someone kidnaps your kid on the way home from school, that's ok with you?

Again, CAPTURED, not kidnapped. There is a huge difference. They were in Lebanon, basically asking to be caught. Your analogy is terrible. This like a crpyt going into a blood territory. I don't think they would welcome him with flowers & candy.

Again, let's get some facts on the table. Soldiers were kidnapped for a purpose. It's not up to whoever kidnaps to decide how the offended party reacts.

Ofcourse they were kindapped for a purpose. To possibly negotiate the release of Lebanese prisnors. This is a accepted fact on both sides.

Hezbollag took a gamble, and they lost. Even Nasrallah admitted he didn't count on the Israelis saying enough is enough.

In the other thread, you said that Hezzbollah was fighting a PR war, and they knew what they were doing. Now you are saying that they didnt know Israel would be this aggressive.

Plz try to stay consistent. This double talk does not serve your best interest at all.

Peace.

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Ok, they captured them, and killed others, for a purpose. Does it matter to mince words?

Again, we ALL know they gambled on previous tactics playing out again. It didn't.

Bad gamble. Gambling is risky. One shouldn't whine if the gamble doesn't pay off.

This gamble cost them royal, and the lives of people around them.

not brilliant

In the other thread, you said that Hezzbollah was fighting a PR war, and they knew what they were doing. Now you are saying that they didnt know Israel would be this aggressive.

I am consistent. Maybe you just aren't following me.

Nasrallah admit a few days ago he didn't expect the response(poor planning). But instead of admitting he's in over his head, he lets his people die like flies. His only weapon now is PR. It certainly isn't military or Israel wouldn't be deep onto Lebanon.

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Tactically speaking, Hizbullaah are suicidal; the only problem is that they are also playing with the Lebanese civilians' lives, not merely their own.

Hizbullaah are INCABABLE of winning a war with a nation possessing an army such as Israel's, not to meantion 200 NUKES. If ANYTHING Hizbullaah are creating a situation that very well could result in the deaths of hundreds of millions of people if worse comes to worst.

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They only success they are achieving is getting Lebanese killed. And a temporal propaganda score now and then.

Hardly worth the price if you're Lebanese I'd think. I'm not Lebanese so I can't say for sure, but I'd bet most wish they were simply enjoying the summer. Especially the kids.

I wish they were enjoying the summer too, but its hard to play in the surf when you have an aggressive man-eating shark swimming close to shore.

Israel was founded on, and continues to exist by being the biggest, baddest, homicidal bully on the block. They should know what terrorism is, they turned it into an artform. Israel decided long ago that they could only survive in the neighborhood they are in by terrorising every nation around them and never missing an opportunity to murder, terrorize, and oppress the palestinians and others in order to prove to everyone how big and bad they are. They were very effective in maintaining this image and cowaring every arab nation and group, that is, until now. They like the status quo the way it was (before 2000), and this 'operation' is an attempt to recapture the 'good ol' days'

I don't expect you to believe me, seeing as you are being fed a steady diet of propaganda like FOX, CNN, and probably some 700 club (or maybe not). I can provide mountains of historical evidence which is ignore by these 'mainstream' 'news' sources, if you are interested.

Israel will have to accept their new position in the region or I fear this will turn into WWIII, and that won't be good for anyone Israeli, Arab, or American.

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Tactically speaking, Hizbullaah are suicidal; the only problem is that they are also playing with the Lebanese civilians' lives, not merely their own.

Israel is dropping the bombs..therefore they are to blame. Plz dont be shy to put the blame where it needs to be.

Hizbullaah are INCABABLE of winning a war with a nation possessing an army such as Israel's, not to meantion 200 NUKES. If ANYTHING Hizbullaah are creating a situation that very well could result in the deaths of hundreds of millions of people if worse comes to worst.

Israel is incapable of destroying Hezzbollah. It's impossible. They kil one, ten more will step up & take his place.

If you think Israel will use nukes, then you're an idiot. Sorry. Lebanon is right across the border, and the effects of nuclear bomb will definetly reach Israel.

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I'm not Lebanese so I can't say for sure, but I'd bet most wish they were simply enjoying the summer. Especially the kids.

So now Hezbollah ruined summer? What's next? Hezbollah ruined Christmas? Hezbollah burnt the Thanksgiving turkey? Hezbollah broke the tv? Hezbollah made Godfather III?

I swear, if George W Bush fell down in the shower he would blame Hezbollah, Iran and Syria.

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I wish they were enjoying the summer too, but its hard to play in the surf when you have an aggressive man-eating shark swimming close to shore.
Saudi Arabia, with Jordan, Egypt and several Persian Gulf states, chastised Hezbollah for “unexpected, inappropriate and irresponsible acts” at an emergency Arab League summit meeting in Cairo on Saturday.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/17/world/mi...and&emc=rss

So now Hezbollah ruined summer?

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Saudi Arabia = Wahabbi puppet regime who simply want to keep their Shia population in check, and line their pockets.

Jordan = Led by the most pro-American and Pro-Israeli monarchy probably in the entire Middle East.

Egypt = Led by Mubarak, an undemocratic tyrant who imprisons political dissidents and does not believe in elections.

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About the Jordanian king..

After assuming the throne, the politically inexperienced king nearly caused a regional crisis by labeling Iran as the sole cause of instability in the region, to which Iran replied that the "Shah and his cronies are back into politics" (in reference to the courting by his father King Hussein of the Shah).

I thought that was funny!

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So if someone kidnaps your kid on the way home from school, that's ok with you?

Again, let's get some facts on the table. Soldiers were kidnapped for a purpose. It's not up to whoever kidnaps to decide how the offended party reacts.

Hezbollag took a gamble, and they lost. Even Nasrallah admitted he didn't count on the Israelis saying enough is enough.

More brilliant forethought...

Mind you, the Israeli soldiers were caught in South Lebanon. Who's invading property?

I don't see the Japanese, French, or Italian people trying to fight back at the terrorists in Iraq who kidnapped their people do I? No. It's a political matter in which Israel wants to extablish itself as a dominant nation.

Israeli Ambassador to Thailand, Yael Rubenstein, was asked if he would have attacked Thailand if they kidnapped Israeli soldiers. Yael's answer: No, we have good relations with Thailand. You can see their dirty political agenda taking place. No sane person would shove the death of innocents and attoricities committed on Lebanon, ie the Qana massacre. Would you?

And you mentioned Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan chastised Hezbollah for starting the war. Well my friend, for one: Jordan, Egypt and SA are all triads earning some $$$ from Israel and the U.S. It's to their interest to keep their thrones. But the common people? Oh yeah, you should check the protests on the streets.

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Unless they parrot what you like to hear. Then they are good ol' chaps. I hate to break it to your friend, but they are arabs too.

Sounds like a split in unity.

They all have terrible human rights records and are despised by their own people. They do not represent the Arabs, the Arab people have been doing that just fine and have shown their support for Hezbollah via protests, donations and being vocally opposed to Israel.

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So if someone kidnaps your kid on the way home from school, that's ok with you?

Again, let's get some facts on the table. Soldiers were kidnapped for a purpose.

The problem is that you dont even know where the facts begin.

Last October, the Zionists kidnapped a 16 year old Lebanese fisherman, Mohammad Farran, of the coast of Tyre. His crime was fishing in Lebanese waters and trying to feed his family. He is now being turtured in Zionist prisons.

Tell me, do you expect the Lebanese people to stand by and not react to these aggressions from the Zionists? Don't the Lebanese people have a right to defend themselves? Would the Lebanese people have been justified in declaring war on the Zionists then? Would the world have given the Lebanese people the excuses they are giving them today? Would the US has rejected calls for a cease fire then?

Again a few months ago, Zionist soldiers crossed the "blue line" into Lebanon proper and kidnapped a 15 year old Lebaneses shepard, whose only crime was grazing his sheep in his village and making a living for him family, and the Zionists took him back over the blue line. Hezbollah warned the Zionists to release him unharmed, but the Zionists chose instead to shoot him three times in the head and chest, from the back like true cowards, and threw his lifeless corpse back on the Lebanese side of the border.

As if that were not enough, they also killed two of his sheep (one bullet was enough for sheep instead of the three that were used on him) and severed their heads. They drenched his body with the blood of the sheep and lobbed their heads on the ground next to his dead body, back on the Lebanese side of the border.

This is the kind of brutality the Zionists have been terrorizing the Lebanese and Palestinian people with, from day one.

Tell me, do you expect the Lebanese people to stand by and not react to these aggressions from the Zionists? Don't the Lebanese people have a right to defend themselves? Would the Lebanese people have been justified in declaring war on the Zionists then? Would the world have given the Lebanese people the excuses they are giving them today? Would the US has rejected calls for a cease fire then?

Since Hezbollah liberated South Lebanon in 2000, the Zionist regime has committed over 13,000 millitary agressions, by land, sea and air, against Lebanon and the two that I mentioned are only a few of the cases. This number is by the count of Hezbollah, the Lebanese Army, and the UNIFIL "peace-keeping" forces deployed in South Lebanon.

Tell me, do you expect the Lebanese people to stand by and not react to these aggressions from the Zionists? Don't the Lebanese people have a right to defend themselves? Would the Lebanese people have been justified in declaring war on the Zionists then? Would the world have given the Lebanese people the excuses they are giving them today? Would the US has rejected calls for a cease fire then?

From the beginning of this conflict until now, we have had to live through humiliation and aggression from the Zionist regime, that has been armed to the teeth by the US. From day one, they have occupied Lebanese lands and still are. They hold our countrymen in their prisons, including Mohammad Farran. They pose a never-ending threat to our people, and we have seen this trheat materialize and the death and massacres it has brought.

Self defense is a basic human right that cannot be alienated. We will resist and stand up for our rights and honor and people and country and freedom and liberty and land and dignity no matter what the cost, and even if the whole world is against us.

Edited by Learned

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And the incursions stem from hezbollah attacks on Israel.

Somehow that fact got left out. Information is useless if it fears ALL the facts.

In this sense, there is no such thing as 'Israel'. The entity you speak of is usurped Muslim land, whose occupiers shall soon be destroyed. Surely, the Muslims did not usurp land in Europe, drive out its inhabitants and establish themselves; rather, it was the European Jews who did this in Muslim land. Just as they came by force, they shall be driven out by force. This is defense and the irradication of cancer (Israel), not offense.

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No, no, IF Hizbullaah began to actually SUCCEED then Israel WOULD nuke. They have even promised to nuke MECCA if their survival was threatened. You gravely underestimate what they will do when threatened.

And additionally Israel is psycho, but Israel did not just fly over with some bombs. Hizbullaah picked a fight with a crazed maniac who is a lot stronger than them.

Wa-Salaam

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No, no, IF Hizbullaah began to actually SUCCEED then Israel WOULD nuke. They have even promised to nuke MECCA if their survival was threatened. You gravely underestimate what they will do when threatened.

And additionally Israel is psycho, but Israel did not just fly over with some bombs. Hizbullaah picked a fight with a crazed maniac who is a lot stronger than them.

Wa-Salaam

Imam Khomeini has said "Even if the whole world were to rise up against us and destroy us, we would still be victorious". Since life is limited, victory is guarenteed, one way or another. Furthermore, as you know, God has often granted victory to the weaker party.

If you don't want to recognize Israel, that's your choice. So far that strategy has failed to make it invisible.

So maybe a blunt question is in order.

What would it take to stop the hate and killing? Israel moves to another place on the planet or just off the planet?

serious question

We rely on the Almighty. I don't think it has failed; today, Muslims are realizing just how vulnerable Israel is; not even 1% of the Muslims' fury has met Israel. Hate for the enemies of God is virtue. Once the illegitimate state is destroyed or they surrender, I am sure the authorities of Islam shall know what to do. This is not even a secondary concern now.

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The point is that God grants victory AT TIMES to the weaker party when their back is againt the wall and survival is literally at stake. i fail to see how Hizbullaah's rocket attack initiation of this current phase was necessary. As well, i fail to see how they are "winning" when most Israelis are in bomb shelters and the bulk of the death toll are Lebanese?

Sorry to rain on the parade, but i just don't get it and i've been a HUGE Hizbullaah romantic in the past.

Wa-Salaam

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As well, i fail to see how they are "winning" when most Israelis are in bomb shelters and the bulk of the death toll are Lebanese?

Sorry to rain on the parade, but i just don't get it and i've been a HUGE Hizbullaah romantic in the past.

Heng. Hezbollah's objective isn't to kill Isrealis. Anyone who thinks this doesn't know what they are talking about.

Hezbollah is a force aimed at liberating Lebanese lands, liberating Lebanese prisoners, and holding the Zionist regime accountable for its crimes against the Lebanese civilain population.

Hezbollah is a national resistance. Its goal is to resist against Zionist hegemony, savagry, and terror, and to make the Zionist objective of terrorizing the Lebanese as costly as possible.

As long as the resistance exists, Hezbollah is winning. Furthermore, the whole world is talking about giving Lebanon what it wants. The Shibaa farms. The 7 villages. The Lebanese prisoners.

These events will all take place, and at the end of the day Hezbollah will come out on top.

As long as there is a single Lebanese left resisting occupation and refusing to bow down and be humiliated, then Hezbollah is winning.

And as long as the Lebanese refuse to bow to Zionist terror and savagry, then the Zionists are losing.

Edited by Learned

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The point is that God grants victory AT TIMES to the weaker party when their back is againt the wall and survival is literally at stake. i fail to see how Hizbullaah's rocket attack initiation of this current phase was necessary. As well, i fail to see how they are "winning" when most Israelis are in bomb shelters and the bulk of the death toll are Lebanese?

Sorry to rain on the parade, but i just don't get it and i've been a HUGE Hizbullaah romantic in the past.

Wa-Salaam

Yes, but I and many others disagree with you regarding the cause of this conflict. You seem to believe that the capturing of Israelis soldiers was the event that caused this flare up. However, Sayyid Hassan has spoken for years about capturing Israeli soldiers; they had done it in the past, and exchanged prisoners. Why is it wrong? How many Lebanese and Palistinian prisoners are in Israeli jails, and tortured?

It was not Hezbollah that started this conflict at all; rather, Israel took advantage of it in order to start a Holocaust against Lebanon, thinking that if they destroy countless numbers of civilians and the infrastructure, and the economy, they can get the Lebanese people to turn against Hezbollah and see them as the culprits. Well, of course the Lebanese people are not of such low character and intellect to fall for such a ploy. Instead, Hezbollah has grown far far stronger. These are men who desire martyrdom, Israel has no chance. More Lebanese civilians may by butchered by the barbaric sub-animal Israelis; but, victory is with the Hezbollah.

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Hizbullah never intends to harm civillians, in fact it is trying to minimise any civillian harm. It is only interested in causing military losses to the zionists. It has acheived many such objectives, but the zionist meadia are barred from reporting on these - they even deny things that are captured on film - like the devestating hits on their navy ships. Hence, do not judge the status of this conflict by how many civillians have been killed or what is reported by some media. There are many other indicators that are quite telling about the current status, seek them out and you will see the truth.

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The point is that God grants victory AT TIMES to the weaker party when their back is againt the wall and survival is literally at stake. i fail to see how Hizbullaah's rocket attack initiation of this current phase was necessary. As well, i fail to see how they are "winning" when most Israelis are in bomb shelters and the bulk of the death toll are Lebanese?

First point - No rocket fell in Northern Israel BEFORE Beirut civilian infrastructure was bombed - who initiated what?

Lebanon has a right to defend itself. As has been mentioned, Israel has delivered 13 000 acts of war since southern Lebanon was liberated on that blessed day in 2000. It's interesting to read and listen to the various media genres about the date they put to this war beginning - it did not begin when th 2 Israeli soldiers (who, mind you are a MILITARY target) were captured.

Second point re. "winning". You do not know very much about Islamic history do you? In Karbala around 1300 years ago the Prophets grandson Imam Hussein (as) was fighting an army that wanted to obliterate the Prophets true message carried on by the pure progeny (peace be upon them all). He did not have very many with him.. only a handful really in comparison - an army of 72 against tens of thousands of Yazidi(la) henchmen. All in his camp died that night sacred night on the 10th of Muharram. Imam Hussein (as) far from lost the war - his message of faith, courage, unity and brotherhood against the enemy - no matter how big that enemy is, lives on in the hearts and minds of all Shia today.

So let the martyrdoms come :) - there is no shame in this whatsoever, only honour.

To my brothers and sisters in Lebanon, ya laytana kunna ma3akom.. I hate so much that I'm here. Allah yinsorkon.. ou awweekon.. May Allah (swt) increase your iman and sabr. Insha'Allah it will all be over soon.

innallaha ma3 assaabirreen.. wa la 7awla wala quwwata illah billahil 3aliyul 3atheem.

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