Muslim Gays marrying lesbians

[ShahLatif]

Found this on beliefnet:

http://beliefnet.com/story/193/story_19350_1.html

NEW YORK--On a Web site for gay South Asians, 27-year-old Syed Mansoor uploaded the following message last summer:

"Hi, I am looking for a lesbian girl for marriage. I am gay but I would like to get married because of pressure from parents and society. I would like this marriage to be a `normal' marriage except for the sex part, please don't expect any sexual relationship from me.

" Being an Indian gay person, I believe it is so much worth it to give up sex and have a nice otherwise normal family. We can be good friends and don't have to repent all our life for being gay/lesbian. "

Across the globe and especially in America, hundreds of other gay Muslims have started to pursue marriages of convenience -- or MOC, as they are known -- in which gay Muslims seek out lesbian Muslims, and vice versa, for appearances sake.

Mansoor works as an accountant and is a devout Muslim. He strictly abstains from drinking alcohol or eating pork and is particular about offering early-morning prayers.

To his friends on Wall Street, he is a financial whiz; to his parents, a devoted son. But Mansoor is also part of a burgeoning trend of gay Muslims adopting marriages of convenience.

Hard statistics on the trend are hard to come by, but on a single Web site for South Asian gays and lesbians seeking such marriages, almost 400 requests had been uploaded.

They ranged from a desperate plea from Atlanta -- "I just finished medical school, and the pressure for me to get married is becoming ridiculous. I can't have a conversation with my parents without them pressuring me" -- to a straightforward one from Texas: "I will not object to her having sex with other women."

Mansoor credits the Internet for making these marriages a real possibility for gay Muslims. Gay activists agree, and say that in recent years, they have seen a rise in such marriages among Muslims.

Jack Fertig, a co-coordinator for Al Fatiha, a national advocacy group for gay Muslims, says he comes across at least one such e-mail request every month.

"It's obvious that this is becoming a viable option," he said. "People are seeking, looking and trying to make connections that could develop into such marriages."

Other activists say gay Muslims are resorting to these unions for reasons of self-preservation.

"Marriages of convenience are the result of gay Muslims wanting to avoid emotional and physical harm to themselves," says Muhammed Ali, a board member of Homan, a Los Angeles-based support group for gay Iranians.

Homosexuality is a crime punishable by death in much of the Islamic world. In Iran last year, two gay teenagers were publicly executed, while in Afghanistan, the Taliban government would torture homosexuals by collapsing walls on them.

[Sky]

How can they say that he is a devout muslim, when his actions are going against what Islam teaches you. :mad: So after marriage he is going to give his wife permission to sleep with others? How could he even think that something like this would be acceptable in Islam :realangery:

[Adam++]

How can they say that he is a devout muslim, when his actions are going against what Islam teaches you. :mad: So after marriage he is going to give his wife permission to sleep with others? How could he even think that something like this would be acceptable in Islam :realangery:

(bismillah)

(salam)

Ya, I caught that as well. Devoted :lol: ....Gays and Islam don't attract.

This is a shame and disgrace to Islam. EXECUTE THEM!

[sayed_ali]

I think it is acceptable if someone has a sham marriage but doesn't have sex outside of marriage, basically lives a life without sex. I reckon they will eventually become straight and start to love their wives.

[Abu Hadi]

I think it is acceptable if someone has a sham marriage but doesn't have sex outside of marriage, basically lives a life without sex. I reckon they will eventually become straight and start to love their wives.

Yes, but that is not fair to the wife. Since she can only meet her need thru her husband, how is she going to have her need met in a halal way?

Also, the sexual instinct is too strong, I don't think he or she could go thru their entire lives without doing haram, unless there is some sort of medical issue that prevents them from having 'urges'.

Imam Khomeni(r.a.) used to allow these people to have sex change operations. If he is really attracted to men, and a 'pious' muslim, let him become a 'she' and marry in the halal way rather than live a risky, haram lifestyle.

These people from Al Fatiha and other organizations are nothing but spreaders of Fitna, just like the Wahabis :mad:

This group tried to open an office here in Dearborn about 2 years ago. It was firebombed the first week it was open. NOTE to law enforcement personell evesdropping on these posts, I had nothing to do with this incident, and no, I don't know anyone who claimed to have anything to do with it.

Edited July 30, 2006 by Abu Hadi

[LegendofAzeroth]

Imam Khomeni(r.a.) used to allow these people to have sex change operations. If he is really attracted to men, and a 'pious' muslim, let him become a 'she' and marry in the halal way rather than live a risky, haram lifestyle.

Where did u get this information from brother. This can't be true.

[Godfather]

Imam Khomeni(r.a.) used to allow these people to have sex change operations. If he is really attracted to men, and a 'pious' muslim, let him become a 'she' and marry in the halal way rather than live a risky, haram lifestyle.

Do have evidence of this??

[Renaissance_Man]

Yes sex-change operations are legal in Iran but they are intended for transsexuals not gays.

[ShahLatif]

Yes sex-change operations are legal in Iran but they are intended for transsexuals not gays.

isn't there an overlap b/w the two categories?

[Abu Hadi]

isn't there an overlap b/w the two categories?

I saw a documentary about this. I then confirmed with a Alim that I know that studied at Hauza Ilmiya. These people used to come to the Imam, and in many cases he would give them a fatwa to do the operation. Some of these cases (homosexual) have medical components (hormone levels, ambiguous gender, etc). I am not a physician, but this is what I have been told. So those are treated as a medical problem, according to what I know about fiqh.

There is a difference between those people who don't attempt to propagate or encourage homosexuality and come to the Imam seeking a solution for this situation that is withing the boundaries of Islam and those who openly propagate and encourage this lifestyle. Im sure there are other recommendations that the Imam gave besides surgery (conventional ones), but if surgery would solve their problem, then why not do surgery?

The first group should be handled with compassion, since many are sincere and recognize they have a problem. The second group should be treated with harshness , since they are most probably agent of US, Israel and are attempting to cause Fitna, as the group in Dearborn was. They were dealt with and any other group like that who wants to come amoung to Shia will probably be dealt with in a similar way.

Edited July 30, 2006 by Abu Hadi

[Al^Tareeq*Al^Mustaqeem]

Yes sex-change operations are legal in Iran but they are intended for transsexuals not gays.

None of you are showing proof of such thing. Can someone please provide evidence, insted of telling us things they've heard about.

WS

[Rawshni]

Seems like folks on this site have an overaweing, overwhelming and almost all-exclusive interest in the sexual morality of others

[Trekker]

isn't there an overlap b/w the two categories?

No, not at all.

Gender identity is entirely seperate from sexual orientation, the two are governed by different parts of the brain, and a gay man will NOT be able to live successfully as a woman, nor should he be encouraged to chang his sex. He may be attracted to men, but identifies himself as a man, not a woman, although he may seem effeminate. Trannsexuality is a diagnosed mental disorder often accompanied by some physical anomoly, and ONLY transsexuality is to be treated with a sex-xhange operation.

[seyedmusawi]

(bismillah)

(salam)

THere is a sharp difference between homosexuality and transexuality.

For example a person who is attracted to men...doesn't want to become a woman...they want to remain a man and then have relations with a man.

On the other a transexual feels they really are a woman and they have an operation to change their sex.

[Fatimaa]

(bismillah) (salam)

Making fun of Islam....Gay Muslims :mad:

Mansoor works as an accountant and is a devout Muslim. He strictly abstains from drinking alcohol or eating pork and is particular about offering early-morning prayers.

This was something really AWESOME....... :wacko:

Wassalam.

[Aasee]

^

You'll find a lot of "AWESOME" stuff here at this site, keep coming :dry:

[Abu Hadi]

^

You'll find a lot of "AWESOME" stuff here at this site, keep coming :dry:

If someone has relevant fatwas from marjas regarding difference between transsexuality and homosexuality, please post. I am not clear on the difference

[Sky]

Imam Khomeni(r.a.) used to allow these people to have sex change operations. If he is really attracted to men, and a 'pious' muslim, let him become a 'she' and marry in the halal way rather than live a risky, haram lifestyle.

OMG :o I wasn't aware of this at all

[Abu Hadi]

OMG :o I wasn't aware of this at all

I rechecked my sources again. I am apologizing for this. The Br. is right, it was only for transexual, not homosexual for the operations. I thought that they were the same or similar but they are not. One is a medical condition, the other is not. I just found that out.

:blush:

[~RuQaYaH~]

I think it is acceptable if someone has a sham marriage but doesn't have sex outside of marriage, basically lives a life without sex. I reckon they will eventually become straight and start to love their wives.

(salam)

I completely agree with everything u said. I think it's not only acceptable but admirable - they are fighting their desires for the sake of Allah and abstaining from this abhorent practice. I don't see how anyone can say they are a ''shame'' to Muslims and so on. Yes, homosexuality is a disgusting practice, but that's why they are trying to abstain from it and repent.

Bro Abu Hadi - as for it not being fair to the wife...keep in mind that they're marrying lesbians so they're both in the same boat. And I agree with sayed ali, they will eventually become straight and love eachother.

N.B. My comments only apply if these cases and people are genuine......I think the article has been exaggerated/sensationalised etc in an attempt to portray a bad image of Islam :dry:

wasalaam

[LegendofAzeroth]

I rechecked my sources again. I am apologizing for this. The Br. is right, it was only for transexual, not homosexual for the operations. I thought that they were the same or similar but they are not. One is a medical condition, the other is not. I just found that out.

:blush:

(salam)

So you mean that Sayed Khomeini allowed someone that felt like "a woman trapped inside a mans body" have a sex change?

If so, who gave him this authority?

[alimohamad40]

(bismillah)

a gay gets killed in islam

[Mohsin]

..However whether to call them Muslim or not is your choice.

[electr¤shia]

(bismillah)

a gay gets killed in islam

(salam)

Can you proof that in islamic way ?

[Abu Hadi]

(salam)

Can you proof that in islamic way ?

Here are two good and scholarly links if you are interested in this issue from an Islamic Perspective

Sexual Ethics in Islam and the Western World by Ayatullah Murtaza Mutahhari

http://al-islam.org/sexualethics/

Marriage and Morals in Islam by Sayyid Muhammad Rizvi

http://al-islam.org/m_morals/index.htm

[Dhulfiqar]

What's even scarier :) is that Syed Mansoor ... is a very Shi'a name!!!

Wa Salaam,

Dhulfiqar

[~RuQaYaH~]

(bismillah)

a gay gets killed in islam

a practicing gay

[Guest faithful8876_]

Do have evidence of this??

Imam Khomeini's thesis was on this subject, he allowed sex change operations for transexuals, [people who were born with half of each gender :| ] the surgery is meant to re-assign to the appropriate sex, NOT for gays though!

I believe there was a topic on it here long ago, you may want to try a search for it.

fee iman illah

[alimohamad40]

(bismillah)

a muhasan gay who publicise or admit or gets witnessed by four men will get killed in the first time by throwing him/her from a high building (womens witness doesnt count in this issue according to khoomainy even if there was 1000 women witnesses and i think khooei agrees too but dotn ask me why)

a non-muhasan proven gay doesnt get killed but if repeated few times then the same

the proof is read the fiqh books

[Reza_qummi]

(bismillah) (salam)

May Allah curse Gays n Lesbians.

They must be killed.

They r doing things against nature.

How dare they call themselves Muslims, they r not Humans.

(salam)

[Guest Hope]

Salam,

They did this to shut their parents up right ? Soon the inlaws are gonna want a baby there goes their whole cover .

Sad ughhh i really hope these people get get help and fast .

salam

[ace51214]

Where does it say that gays have to be killed?

i have tried all the links given above, but the conclusions and punishments lack any link to quran and/or hadeeth to evidence the advocated punishment.

Yes gays are sick, yes homosexuality is a social disease, yes homosexuality is a sin....but who has given us the right to punish these people?

We can condemen them, but punishment lies wth Allah(swt) unless the homosexuals combine their gay act with another punishable crime- eg rape etc.

References to evidence will be highly appreciated, otherwise i would request that people desist from shouting for blood like a carzed mob with a raging bloodlust overpowering their rationale

[Yousif]

(salam)

i have also heard that they are to be thrown of a building .... but i will have to check from where this has been deduced ...

isnt homosexuality one of the unforgivable sins ?

[ace51214]

Bumpity bump ^^^^^

Still awaiting evidence where it says gays should be killed?

[Renak]

Bumpity bump ^^^^^

Still awaiting evidence where it says gays should be killed?

Did Ayatollah Sistani order queers to be killed, or was that a hoax?