SOME Lebanese people are hypocrites

[Mo.]

(salam)

Peace be upon you brothers and sisters. I havent been to this forum for quite a long time, but Im sadly coming back with a bad message about some of the Lebanese people. What disgusts me the most is to see Lebanese people clapping their hands and waving their arms around for Israeli Armed Forces, which invaded Lebanon last week. What disgusts me even more is to see the Lebanese government sitting silently on their armchairs as if nothing wrong is happening in their country.

I see Lebanese people carelessly spewing hatred towards Hizbollah. Where is their unity and their love for their people? Why cant the Lebanese people (whether Sunnis, Shiites or Christians) forget their differences at a time like this and concentrate on uniting themselves against the Zionist occupiers? Are they to stand and watch Israel bomb their country to pieces, without moving the slightest muscle?

I am astonished to see how the Lebanese army is not retaliating. Neither are the soldiers joining the fight against Israel. This is no longer an issue of Hizbollah. It is now an open war between Lebanon and Israel. The only Lebanese army I see right now is Hizbollah. God bless Hizbollah, because if it wasnt for them, I doubt Lebanese people would do anything to an invading force. There is no resistance whatsoever. The people up North are not willing to help their dying brothers and sisters. What utter nonsense.

Funny how people call Hizbollah terrorists, yet Hizbollah were the ones who rescued Lebanon on May 2000. They were the ones who freed Lebanese territories from Zionist control. They are the ones who dress in proper military uniform, initiate professional military exercises and avoided killing innocent people. But when Israel launches its attack on Lebanon and kills 63 innocent people, the whole International Community stands and stares without any movement. What makes matters much worse is how Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia point the finger at Hizbollah. Where is the unity? Where is the Islamic brotherhood, when it is needed? Where is the care and passion for one another?

So many questions, yet so little answers...

Edited July 15, 2006 by Ali Zaki

[Cyan_Garamond]

Which Lebanese Shia here is against Hezbollah and for Israel? I have not seen one.

[Mo.]

Which Lebanese Shia here is against Hezbollah and for Israel? I have not seen one.

(salam)

Brother, I am not speaking of this forum. I have been to other forums and I have seen (in front of my own eyes) Lebanese people not caring one slightest bit for their brothers and sisters in Southern Lebanon. When I asked some of them why they did not support Hizbollah, they replied in disgust. As I quote their exact words (only in Arabic): "Because we are not Shiites and we do not link ourselves to Shiite terrorists". What utter stupidity some of the Lebanese people have. They are feeling proud of the Israelis and they dont mind shaking hands with the devil. They dont mind striking deals with the foreign enemy, to kill their own people and their own flesh and blood! They have sold themselves like women selling themselves in nightclubs. They are a disgrace to the soceity and so is the Lebanese army.

Hizbollah is the only true and genuine army of Lebanon, yet some Lebanese people wish it disappears.

[Cyan_Garamond]

(salam)

Brother, I am not speaking of this forum. I have been to other forums and I have seen (in front of my own eyes) Lebanese people not caring one slightest bit for their brothers and sisters in Southern Lebanon. When I asked some of them why they did not support Hizbollah, they replied in disgust. As I quote their exact words (only in Arabic): "Because we are not Shiites and we do not link ourselves to Shiite terrorists". What utter stupidity some of the Lebanese people have. They are feeling proud of the Israelis and they dont mind shaking hands with the devil. They dont mind striking deals with the foreign enemy, to kill their own people and their own flesh and blood! They have sold themselves like women selling themselves in nightclubs. They are a disgrace to the soceity and so is the Lebanese army.

Hizbollah is the only true and genuine army of Lebanon, yet some Lebanese people wish it disappears.

You will know them by the fruits they bear. The hypocrites have exposed themselves and will continue to do so. I believe Sayyid Hassan spoke in relation to internal traitors.

[rebecca]

(salam)

Brother Mo well said!

How dare anyone be against hizbollah, Allah yehmihoun ya raab!

yesterday the animal from israel made a statement and called hizbollah terrorists and said they live lavishly in beirut apartments.

The filthy jews have the nerve to lie and call us terrorists, hizbollah never target civillians and innocent people. They have faith and islam and alhamdilla we will be victorious in the end.

All those ignorant people who dnt like hizbollah go research lebanon's history otherwise stay silent. Im sick of ignorant people and their stupid comments!

Thats right Cyan Garamond he did speak and just like what u said all will be revealed.

inshallah with god on our side we are the most powerful!

Edited July 15, 2006 by rebecca

[YaMa3soumeen]

(bismillah)

(salam) Brother Mo.,

Jazakallah for your concern, your words ring true. But this is nothing new for us Shia Lebanese. You must understand that many Lebanese people, especially those with no concept of Iman, can be grouped in the same category as the Zionists. They are cowardly traitors who have never lifted a finger to help Lebanon in their lives. They sold out Lebanon during the civil war - they CAUSED the civil war due to their collaboration with the enemy.

It is a known fact that it is only the Shia people of Lebanon (the true ones) that gave their blood for Lebanon. They are the ones who fought with everything they had to get the Zionist filth out of our blessed land whilst these so called 'Lebanese' sat back and let them do the hard work then claimed a share of the credit.

These are the same people who brought Israel into Lebanon in 1982.....they have no comprehension of the word 'patriotism' or 'loyalty'. They are filth and they are traitors and they will rot in Hell.

Hezbollah are the only ones with the faith and hence the bravery and resolve to stand up against the oppressive, murderous and terrorist Zionist regime. They are the only ones with the guts to stand up and fight with our fellow Palestinians. It is clear here who is the true nationalist fighting for Lebanon's sovereignty, and who is the real traitor ready to sell Lebanon out to suit their basic, superficial materialistic desires.

May Allah bless Lebanon, bless Sayyed Hassan and Hizbollah and anihilate Israel!

(salam)

[nej888]

Allah WA AHIL ALBAYT WIYAK YA SAID NA9RALLH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GO KILL THEM ZIONESTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Sarah]

(salam)

This has nothing to do with shia sunni..right?

[Mo.]

(salam)

This has nothing to do with shia sunni..right?

(salam)

No Sister, this has nothing to do with Shiites and Sunnis. I know some Sunni muslims who are supporting Hizbollah because they are united for Islam. They dont care about the different sects. What matters to them is unity against those who are fighting against the will of Allah and the will of Islam. Unfortunately some Lebanese people dont realise that and they dont have a sense of patriotism. They dont consider Israel's act as an invasion of Lebanon. They distance themselves away from the fighting because they arent united. They are neither religiously united nor nationally united.

Edited July 15, 2006 by Mo.

[Sarah]

(salam)

No Sister, this has nothing to do with Shiites and Sunnis. I know some Sunni muslims who are supporting Hizbollah because they are united for Islam. They dont care about the different sects. What matters to them is unity against those who are fighting against the will of Allah and the will of Islam. Unfortunately some Lebanese people dont realise that and they dont have a sense of patriotism. They dont consider Israel's act as an invasion of Lebanon. They distance themselves away from the fighting because they arent united. They are neither religiously united nor nationally united.

Ok, I got it now. :)

[mgim]

""ROSTOCK, Germany (AFP) - US President George W. Bush blamed Hezbollah and Hamas for escalating Middle East violence but warned Israel against undermining Lebanon's fragile democracy. ""

Bush only care about Lebanon and it's democracy government. Why? because Labanon is not Islamic, Muslim or Arab nation. The Lebanon democry he's talking about is the Mediterranean Christian, secular and it's part of France, The muslims in Labanon are just followers. Hariri wanted to rebuild labanon for these people not for muslim. Islamic Lebanon is the only way to defeat Bush and make the Christians live under Sharia law just like the muslim are now living under NightClubs, GayClubs and under half naked women

Hisbu'Allah should establish Islamic rule all over Lebanon

[DigitalMo]

^ hizballah has said that this will only happen when the lebanese people call for it .. with a multi-ethnic, multi-religion, multi-cultural lebanon with disarate proportions of these, this is not an option for lebanon, when the vast majority of lebanese ask for such an government, then and only then will such a system be considered and only after a referendum and overwhelming support from the lebanese people .. this will not happen any time soon as there are approxiamately 30 % non-muslims in lebanon and we won't impose such a system without their consent.

[Syrian Sister]

DUDE Listen Mo.

This one thing i'll pass on to you that i learnt these past few years.

EVERY COUNTRY HAS IT'S TRAITORS.

You look for them where ever you go, and you will find them. Unfortunately, some countries have more than others.

Vietnam had a high concentration of them in the south.

Iraq has alot of them, all over the country.

Palestine, well, don't get me started.

Even Syria and Syrians are not immune , take a look at the likes of khaddam, and there are some people whome i have personally spoken too.

So no doubt lebanon will have some too, not just in the maronites and the sunnis , but in the shia's too. Just as in iraq, treason extends from the kurds, to the shia's and to the sunni's too.

To understand a traitor you have to realise, that they have no spine, honour and no dignity, no in built want for freedom and self determination. It is a person that chooses to let greed and opportunism drive them instead of love for their country.

You will find them in the defeatists words that go like "we can't win, so we may aswell not fight at all"

Or "my group, faith, or political ideology might benefit from an occupation, so i choose to collaborate with it! "

Or "I want money and power at all costs, and since the occupier is the powerful one, by cow-toeng to them i might gain it".

These kind of people exist anywhere, and what ever religion or group they claim to belong to, all that they really follow is greed and satan

You might not belive it, but the first kind, the defeatist kind, is the most dangerous type of all the traitors.

So what's to be done about them?

Unfortunately nothing can be done about civilian who harbour such thoughts and do not act upon them.

The nazi's used to hang people for listening to english radio. No matter how angered you are about someones opinion, this is not something we should ever become.

Do as the french did i suppose in their resistance, assasinate and execute active collaborators,, do it publicly to make an example of them, and for those still left over when the war is won well, heh the french executed the worst ones, the Vietnamese would put less high class traitors into "re-education" camps.

I'm sorry that i haven't found a better solution. That's the way the world works, for everyone one great and heroic person there is ten cowards and traitors.

And it's always the best of heros, that are the first to die.

I leave you with this quote, to consider how honourable resistance fighters are and how low traitors are.

A group of scientists and lawyers working in Paris led by Boris Vilde began publishing a clandestine newspaper calling on the French people to resist the German occupation. The Musée de L'Homme group was infiltrated by a supporter of the Vichy government and as a result virtually all of the men and women involved with producing the newspaper were arrested and executed. It is claimed that one member of the group, Valentin Feldman, shouted at the moment of execution: "Imbeciles, it's for you, too that I die.

VIVA LE RESISTANCE LEBANON/IRAQ/PALESTINE !

Edited July 15, 2006 by Syrian Sister

[Mo.]

(salam)

Sister, Iraq is a different case. The Iraqis are in a state of confusion. Nobody knows exactly whats going on inside Iraq. Also, whos telling you that the Iraqi resistance is practised by Iraqi citizens? For all we know, and from what we heard in the past couple of years, the Iraqi resistance has many foreigners too (e.g. Egyptians, Jordanians, Saudis, etc). I dont call this a resistance. I call it an invasion, just like the US occupiers. The foreign fighters in Iraq are no better than the US army. They (both) are occupiers, but from a different standpoint.

Also, the resistance in Iraq isnt a clean and honest resistance. A huge portion of the resistance killed innocent people in order to force them to join their sides. Thats not the way.

Look at Lebanon as an example. Hizbollah is only for Lebanese people. If a foreigner wants to fight alongside Hizbollah, he has to take permission first. In any case, once the fight is over, the foreigner must go back home. Also, you dont see Hizbollah bombing innocent people, do you?

The problem with the Iraqi resistance is that there are so many different groups. Each group has its own agendas. They arent united as one. Also, they dont mind killing innocent people. Instead of them going after American troops, they go after innocent children in grocery stores. Now theres a big difference between Lebanon and Iraq. In Iraq, even the resistance betrayed its country, because not all of them are Iraqis and also because they are opportunists.

[Syrian Sister]

*sigh*

Mo, your so angry about the lebanese traitors? Take a look in the mirror. Perhaps now you can begin to understand why i am always so angry coming into this forum.

You are so quick beliving all the Zionist and american lies about the resistance? look at the images i' have in my signature, how can you say that about those heroic people?

whos telling you that the Iraqi resistance is practised by Iraqi citizens

How about 1) the Iraqi resistance.

2) independent observers on the ground

3) The americans themselves admit the majority of the resistance is iraqi.

FOREIGN ARABS coming to Iraq, is a myth perpetuated by america/israel, and surely by know you learn not to belive them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1576666,00.html

"The US and the Iraqi government have overstated the number of foreign fighters in Iraq, "feeding the myth" that they are the backbone of the insurgency, an American thinktank says in a new report"

If a foreigner wants to fight alongside Hizbollah, he has to take permission first. In any case, once the fight is over, the foreigner must go back home. Also, you dont see Hizbollah bombing innocent people, do you?

Actually the Israelies and the americans will tell you that the hizbullah are nothing but terrorists which blow up innocent civilians and who are supported by foreigners Iran and Syria . Does that kind of language sound familiar? You'll belive it when it's said about the iraqi muqawame but oyu won't belive it about the hizbullah? Why the double standard.

The Iraqi reistance i'm talking about never kill innocent civilians, and they are the ones that have to deal with the worst of traitors, http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=87622. And you say they betray their country for fighting the americans? Sounds like a maronite saying that nasserallah is a traitor for initiating war with lebanon. Your not fair nor balanced, you just support the side that suits your agenda what ever that may be.

Go fix yourself before you fix the lebanon.

You reap what you sew.

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Notice and remember my words.

This phrases will apply to Iraq, and lebanon, and countries around the world. You'll hear them, and one day, you might realise. That is, if your a good person to begin with.

"we can't win, so we may aswell not fight at all"

Or "my group, faith, or political ideology might benefit from an occupation, so i choose to collaborate with it! "

Or "I want money and power at all costs, and since the occupier is the powerful one, by cow-toeng to them i might gain it".

i'll add one for you.

"i wouldn't want that group to get power in the end, so might aswell try to get powermyself by collaborating"

(application to iraq easy, application to lebanon Ez, maronites not wanting shia in power in lebanon).

Edited July 15, 2006 by Syrian Sister

[mgim]

^ hizballah has said that this will only happen when the lebanese people call for it .. with a multi-ethnic, multi-religion, multi-cultural lebanon with disarate proportions of these, this is not an option for lebanon, when the vast majority of lebanese ask for such an government, then and only then will such a system be considered and only after a referendum and overwhelming support from the lebanese people .. this will not happen any time soon as there are approxiamately 30 % non-muslims in lebanon and we won't impose such a system without their consent.

30 % non-muslims are Imposing their secularist filth on Everyone Else

If Hisbu'Allah don't Stand for Allah' Law, they will be defeated

[Ali Zaki]

(salam)

You see the glass as "half empty", I see it as "half empty".

Every society is made up of a variety of people, good/bad, religious/secular, honest/liars, etc. Hezb. has the support of MOST Lebenese, but it is impossible that EVERYONE will support them. Some people still believe the earth is flat. Some people still believe that the Lunar landing was an elaborate hoax, etc.

One thing I know is that INTERNATIONAL support for Hezb. increases daily, alhamdullilah!

[Mo.]

(salam)

Syrian Sister: How old are you? Could you type with a little bit of respect?

As I quote from your meaningless comments:

Take a look in the mirror.

Go fix yourself before you fix the lebanon.

You know something? If you want me to ignore you and not take you seriously, then continue typing this way. Your attitude is giving the wrong impression for people.

Its your choice. Either YOU fix yourself, or people wouldnt reply to your comments anymore...

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Going back on topic,

I really dont care what you think about the Iraqi resistance. Ill make a thread for that later. All I know is that they arent as nice as you make them appear. A resistance doesnt bomb mosques, restaurants, grocery stores or innocent people. A resistance makes its agendas clear. They make it clear for everyone. For example:

1. We want the occupiers out.

2. We want the American forces out.

3. We will then co-operate with the government after winning the war.

Sadly, no resistance group in Iraq made its intentions. Their intentions are NOT clear! One day they attack the US armed forces, but the next day they target innocent people. Maybe there are some good resistance groups. You said it yourself: good and bad exists everywhere. So maybe there are some good resistance groups fighting for the freedom of Iraq, but these resistance groups ARE NOT part of the old Iraqi regime. If youre telling me that the old Iraqi regime is the so-called "good" resistance, then youre wrong!

Thats all I have to say...

Edited July 15, 2006 by Mo.

[HusseinAliYounes]

MOD & ADMIN:

I ask for the modification of the title of this topic because it is indecent considering the present situation. :Hijabi:

[mahmood8726]

On 7/15/2006 at 2:52 AM, Mo. said:

As I quote their exact words (only in Arabic): "Because we are not Shiites and we do not link ourselves to Shiite terrorists". What utter stupidity some of the Lebanese people have.

This is before the whole Bashar thing...

 

 

Anyways, I thought this page was appropriate to what I will post here given the recent events of Lebanon.

https://thecradle.co/articles/iran-ready-for-constructive-talks-with-lebanon-to-resume-civilian-flights

Something in the article caught my eye:

"

Eyewitness accounts say Lebanese army troops fired tear gas canisters into a crowd of thousands while the Deputy Head of Hezbollah's Political Council, Mahmoud Qamati, was delivering a speech.

 

Before the clashes erupted, Qamati called the decision by Lebanese authorities to ban Iran's national airliner from landing in Beirut “an insult to Lebanon and Lebanese sovereignty."

”We refuse to be under US occupation. We are patient, but our patience has limits," he added, telling the newly-formed Lebanese government, “If you want to submit, the resistance will not submit and will confront, resist, and reject US and Israeli humiliation and dictates.”"

 

Is this a sign a new civil war might happen? Will hezb go against the lebanese state? Will enough people who hate hezb due to sectarian reasons reveal themselves? 

This here seems like a threat from hezb to the new lebanese government. And I am seeing more and more the lebanese opponents of hezb comming out, some of them even wishing for Israel to kill the protestors:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 16 by mahmood8726

[realizm]

Another thread that brings tears. 

I cannot believe it, it's been a whole journey since 2006 and all the things we Shi`as went through. 

Today in Lebanon, many believe Hezbollah should have taken over in 2008, and that this was the biggest mistake of the Resistance. 

Heck, we should have shown those munafiqun who can/must rule. Especially when demographics were on our side, if you think about it. 

[mahmood8726]

53 minutes ago, realizm said:

Another thread that brings tears. 

I cannot believe it, it's been a whole journey since 2006 and all the things we Shi`as went through. 

Today in Lebanon, many believe Hezbollah should have taken over in 2008, and that this was the biggest mistake of the Resistance. 

Heck, we should have shown those munafiqun who can/must rule. Especially when demographics were on our side, if you think about it. 

The fact they did not take over Lebanon is a testament to how false their arguments against the Shia of Lebanon are. 

 

The journey isn't over, it's over emphasized in islam that a time will come when allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will seperate truth from falsehood the same way gold is separated from impurities when melted. This seems to be that time, were witnessing the hypocrites all come out.