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Shiek Hamza Yusuf is one the greatest thing to happen to Islam

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Real Talk.

The guy is a truly amazing speaker. And i swear i have never heard a man so intelligent & spiritual. The guy is just WoW!

I don't know why he isnt given publicity in the U.S, seeing he is American, but please while you are alive, listen to this man speak!! Be it on Islam, Politics, History, Culture, the guy is the most intelligent Scholar i have ever heard speak.

I currently don't have any videos of him to share, or they are too large to download. But try Youtube.com, or try Islamic Torrents, or try Zaytuna.org.

He is a gift to Muslims from AllahÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì

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(bismillah) (salam)

Real Talk.

The guy is a truly amazing speaker. And i swear i have never heard a man so intelligent & spiritual. The guy is just WoW!

I don't know why he isnt given publicity in the U.S, seeing he is American, but please while you are alive, listen to this man speak!! Be it on Islam, Politics, History, Culture, the guy is the most intelligent Scholar i have ever heard speak.

I currently don't have any videos of him to share, or they are too large to download. But try Youtube.com, or try Islamic Torrents, or try Zaytuna.org.

He is a gift to Muslims from AllahÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì

umm he is Sunni so he prolly doesnt get much buzz on these forums but yeah he is amazing. is he going to be at ICNA this weekend?

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Greatest thing??? :huh: To happen to Islam? :dry:

Isn't is Islam that's supposed tyo add stature to a person, or have the parameters been turned upside down? :angry:

Dude, stop nitpicking the thread title & focus on the content within..

Thank You, your opinion is appreciated.

umm he is Sunni so he prolly doesnt get much buzz on these forums but yeah he is amazing. is he going to be at ICNA this weekend?

He doesnt get much buzz on Sunni Forums neither, atleast not to my knowledge. If anything, people view him with suspicion, with his alledged ties to Sufism(like thats a bad thing) and him being a convert & all.

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I've heard him. He's all right. I've heard better speakers.

It seems, within the Sunni community, anyone who can reconcile the historical mess, without becoming Shia is seen as the greatest thing to happen to Islam, even if his/her evaluations aren't fully coherent.

It's a historical pattern. I think it was either Hamza Yusuf or Zayd Shakir at a Toronto conference that said something like, 'before you read the books of history, you have to take two doses of imaan." In other words u gotta condition yourself to not be discouraged by the inconsistencies in the theory. Don't really agree with taht approach.

Either way, he's much better than the more literalist line is Sunni scholars. In other words he's turning the Sunni community Sunni. I think Sunni is def better than the wahabis/salafis.

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As salaam alaykum,

Hamza is very anti-shi'a and I've personally heard him insult Imam Ali (as) more than once. I'm sure *he* didn't feel that his words were insulting, because he holds traditional sunni sahaba in very high regard, but still he often portrays Imam Ali (as) as an overeager young bufoon. He's got rock star status in some sunni communities, so no he is by no stretch unheard of, but I would recommend the Shi'a stay away from him. If you want to listen to an American sunni scholar, then I'd recommend Imam Zaid Shakir instead.

Either way, he's much better than the more literalist line is Sunni scholars. In other words he's turning the Sunni community Sunni. I think Sunni is def better than the wahabis/salafis.

Agreed.

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i've come to the realization you can't expect Sunni speakers to be Shia. lol. At the end of the day it's good to invite them into our circles, provided they respect our views and provided they are speaking on topics we have in common. It leaves the channel open for dialogue.

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As salaam alaykum,

Hamza is very anti-shi'a and I've personally heard him insult Imam Ali (as) more than once. I'm sure *he* didn't feel that his words were insulting, because he holds traditional sunni sahaba in very high regard, but still he often portrays Imam Ali (as) as an overeager young bufoon. He's got rock star status in some sunni communities, so no he is by no stretch unheard of, but I would recommend the Shi'a stay away from him. If you want to listen to an American sunni scholar, then I'd recommend Imam Zaid Shakir instead.

(bismillah) (salam)

When did he insult Imam Ali(as). I have never seen him do that. If anything, i've seen him praise Imam Ali(as). Obviously not to the extent that Shias do. But still.

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i've come to the realization you can't expect Sunni speakers to be Shia. lol. At the end of the day it's good to invite them into our circles, provided they respect our views and provided they are speaking on topics we have in common. It leaves the channel open for dialogue.

As salaamu alaykum,

I don't expect him to be shi'a, but at least refrain from saying we are fasiq etc. We can disagree w/o namecalling and disrespect.

To the original poster, if you go to the zaytuna website he has some speeches there. There is one in particular where he is insulting toward Imam Ali (as). He describes a situation in which Umar corrects Imam Ali (as) for making an unjust ruling. He often tells these kinds of stories in which Imam Ali (as) is "guided" by Umar or Abu Bakr or corrected by the Prophet (saawas) himself. I took an Arabic class from him years ago, even before I was Shi'a and I see he is still doing the same thing. Like I said, I don't think it's malicious, but it's certainly falsehood and why should we be filling our hearts and minds with that sort of thing?

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He comes across as muqassir to me as well - someone who hides the fazila of imam Ali(as). I rememer listening to his lecture where he was quoting imam Ali but carefully managed to avoid his name, instead saying 'some pious companion' said this and that.

Such behavior from someone claiming to be influenced by islamic spirituality is rather bizarre..

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(bismillah)

(salam)

[b]i've come to the realization you can't expect Sunni speakers to be Shia.[/b] lol. At the end of the day it's good to invite them into our circles, provided they respect our views and provided they are speaking on topics we have in common. It leaves the channel open for dialogue.

Addressing you after quite some time. Am sure all is fine with you and all yours, b'tassaduqe-e-aal-e-Fatemah[salawat ullah 'alaiha]

I couldn't agree more with the part I've highlighted. I'm already involved in a bit of a discussion with my brother ShahLatif about one Taher al Qaderi, perhaps you are familiar with him. You're highlighted statement is bull's eye regards that man too . . .

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(salam)

I try very, very hard, when listening to my Sunni brothers speak to give them the "benefit of the doubt" and judge them very leniently. This is because I believe in unity of all Muslims, and seek any excuse to unite with my Sunni brothers and sisters.

Having said that, ...I was unimpressed with this brother. I went to the website linked in the o.p. and spent a good portion of time listening to his various speeches, interviews, etc. I'm not saying it's all bad, I mean there were a few things he said that were interesting. I didn't feel particularly inspired or informed by his lectures, and he was big on generalities and short on substance and scholarship.

To be fair, we have many non-scholars (like Br. Ragabali) who are popular lecturers. The difference between this brother and Br. Hasanain can be determined in the first five minute of his lecture. Br. Ragabali is inspiring, enlightening and energizing. I can't (unfortunately) pay the same compliment to Br. Yusuf. I'm not sure why he is called a "Sheik", as he himself refused the title in an interview with the host on the KPFA inteview ("Does God love War).

I didn't hear anything insulting, but I also didn't hear much to "crow about". He seems to lack intellectual maturity as well, and seems to be unclear about whether his institute has a (primarily) theological or political mission.

B.T.W., here is another link to some EXCELLENT lectures by Br. Ragabali

http://www.shiasource.com/skeleton/index.p...nain%20Rajabali

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(salam)

It's very unfortunate that this Sheikh is ignorant of who Imam Ali(as) is. This book here have information about why some ppl are ignorant or like to be ignorant.

Polarization Around the Character of 'Ali ibn Abi Talib by Martyr Murtada Mutahhari

Imam Ali(as) http://al-islam.org/polarization/

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LOL,..you people just hating on Shaykh Hamza. Obviously you won't be as touched by his speeches because he isn't talking about ahlul bayt 24/7/365. Or he isn't extolling the virtues of Ali (ra) at expense of ignoring all other sahaba.

He wasn't being insulting to Ali (ra),...infact it is INSULTING to suggest that a sunni scholar would insult Ali (ra). They of all people praise him constantly because Ali (ra) is like a blueprint for what a faqih is supposed to be.

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(salam)

Nope, many shia speakers cover other topics, sheikh arif and rajabali for example, and yet they provide much more enlightening, deep and insightful speeches tahn hamza yussuf. The fact is his speeches are very superficial with no depth, more like a pep talk to excite people.

And besides, like I said before, his actions are dubious to say the least. One minute he is telling everyone of western evils and go do jihad, then suddenly he's done a 180 degree u-turn, lost the arab clothes, changed the beard style, and is standing behind tony blair on public tv clapping!!! hmmmmm...

I suggest you don't make accusations or insinuations against him without proof! There have been many questions about Shaykh Hamza's actions but my experience has been that they have been perpetuated out of jealousy toward what he has achieved.

If you read surah Hujurat you'll see that these thinly veiled insinuations are haram bro.

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As salaamu alaykum,

I'd have to disagree that he is shallow. He has done a world of good in the Sunni community both here and abroad in encouraging the pursuit of traditional Islamic knowledge and fighting the love of ignorance and hate that seems to be so ingrained in the tradition of the followers of Arabia's ibn abdul wahhab.

He is actually *very* intelligent and the Shi'a could stand to learn a lot from his work on establishing Muslim culture in the west. Zaytuna is primarily theological, but since when did we separate the political from the theologial anyway? We must begin demonstrating that Islam has the answer to more than just the individual spiritual and moral difficulties, Islam also has the answer to problems like racism, political corruption, wage slavery, classism, sexism, and other illnesses that plague society. I don't fault Sh. Hamza or any sheikh for engaging on that level, in fact I think it's their responsibility.

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There is plenty of proof! If i'm not mistaken he was shown on TV doing that, and i believe it was the Washington Post that also ran an article on it. Its no secret, even many sunnis despise him. sorry to burst your bubble!

and on top of that his speeches just arent all that good.

I wouldn't say many sunnis "despise" him but much criticism from the sunni sector can easily be attributed to jealousy.

Some sunnis cannot stand a non-native Muslim excelling past their own scholars, period. Others feel that he doesn't deserve to be the face of American Muslims vis-a-vis the government,...they want people like siraj wahaj or others,..but its much a do about nothing.

P.S. Asif Shaykh Hamza hasn't done anything haram, standing behind blair doesn't make him a traitor. Muslim scholars are obliged to deal with the leaders of non-Muslim nations,..infact he would be remiss for not taking such opportunities to talk to people as influential as Bush and Blair.

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I wouldn't say many sunnis "despise" him but much criticism from the sunni sector can easily be attributed to jealousy.

Some sunnis cannot stand a non-native Muslim excelling past their own scholars, period. Others feel that he doesn't deserve to be the face of American Muslims vis-a-vis the government,...they want people like siraj wahaj or others,..but its much a do about nothing.

P.S. Asif Shaykh Hamza hasn't done anything haram, standing behind blair doesn't make him a traitor. Muslim scholars are obliged to deal with the leaders of non-Muslim nations,..infact he would be remiss for not taking such opportunities to talk to people as influential as Bush and Blair.

ok akwa i dont wish to debate this, people can make up their own minds. i'll delete my posts but it wont make a difference unless you delete yours because you quoted what i said anyway.

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I saw youtube of him being in denmark, rather good stuff.

i'd much rather hear him being the representative for mainstream islam, than the extremist hizb ul tahrir freaks etc.

as for his opinions when it comes to history and Imam Ali ibn Abu Talib (as), well he follows mainstream islam, and that's their opinion. but no sufi would ever say that :P

http://www.shiasource.com/skeleton/index.p...nain%20Rajabali

- Download his Ramadhan lectures, ... guy's amazing.

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(salam)

^^Sure does :) .............who's this Shiekh Hamza dude?..........is there a link or something I can go check out?

Wassalam

Some wannabe muslim evangelist some guy is trying to promote here . . . prolly the Opening Post of this thread has a link . . . there's google, anyway

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As salaamu alaykum,

I'd have to disagree that he is shallow. He has done a world of good in the Sunni community both here and abroad in encouraging the pursuit of traditional Islamic knowledge and fighting the love of ignorance and hate that seems to be so ingrained in the tradition of the followers of Arabia's ibn abdul wahhab.

He is actually *very* intelligent and the Shi'a could stand to learn a lot from his work on establishing Muslim culture in the west. Zaytuna is primarily theological, but since when did we separate the political from the theologial anyway? We must begin demonstrating that Islam has the answer to more than just the individual spiritual and moral difficulties, Islam also has the answer to problems like racism, political corruption, wage slavery, classism, sexism, and other illnesses that plague society. I don't fault Sh. Hamza or any sheikh for engaging on that level, in fact I think it's their responsibility.

(salam)

Intelligent?, hard to say. I guess he is reasonably intelligent. What, specifically, can we learn from him? I have seen HIM on quite a few documentaries and "reports" about Islam but haven't found much in what he says that indicate other then a somewhat shallow and surface level understanding of Islam.

Also, if someone presents themself as a leader then they should have a clear and well thought out "vision" which they are directing their followers towards. I didn't hear him putting forward this vision, other then some rough sketches.

My main problem with him is that he's too "safe", un-inspiring and seems to be "adapting" to his audience rather then projecting his vision. A prime example of this is the KPFA interview (Does God Love War) where he was obviously playing "second fiddle" to a homosexual atheist whose retorical flourishes regarding "organized religion" went unchallanged.

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(salam)

Some wannabe muslim evangelist some guy is trying to promote here . . . prolly the Opening Post of this thread has a link . . . there's google, anyway

Thanks :) .......I quickly went through the posts here but all I could see is our shia sites :unsure: ...I'll try google

Wassalam

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Some wannabe muslim evangelist some guy is trying to promote here . . . prolly the Opening Post of this thread has a link . . . there's google, anyway

(bismillah) (salam)

Por Que?

Just because the man doesnt suscribe to your beliefs doesnt make him a "wannabe". If anything you're the wannabe since you're only 6% of the Muslim population, and a portion of the majority considers you heretical.

So please don't throw stones if you live in glass houses.

(salam)

Thanks :) .......I quickly went through the posts here but all I could see is our shia sites :unsure: ...I'll try google

Wassalam

(bismillah) (salam)

Try Google Video & Youtube.com, they have numerous videos on him.

A prime example of this is the KPFA interview (Does God Love War) where he was obviously playing "second fiddle" to a homosexual atheist whose retorical flourishes regarding "organized religion" went unchallanged.

(bismillah) (salam)

Would you happen to have that video?

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If anything you're the wannabe since you're only 6% of the Muslim population, and a portion of the majority considers you heretical.

(salam)

No reason to raise you disagreement with this member's comments to an attempt to insult most of the members here, because we are alot more then "6%" on THIS SITE!

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(salam)

No reason to raise you disagreement with this member's comments to an attempt to insult most of the members here, because we are alot more then "6%" on THIS SITE!

And I believe that our number is more than 6% worldwide too (of Muslims).

Eh.

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(salam)

No reason to raise you disagreement with this member's comments to an attempt to insult most of the members here, because we are alot more then "6%" on THIS SITE!

I'm part of that 6% right now. But it seems the man is critisized on both sides for petty reasons.

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