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Muslims invite Madeline Albright to tour masjid

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I recieved this in an email today and I am outraged.

Frustrations of an Angry Iraqi

Monday May 15, 2006 at 11:20 PM

I'm in a very bad mood tonight. I just got home from a

protest in Dearborn, Michigan, largest home to Arabs

outside the Middle East. My throat is a bit sore, but

not as sore as my spirits. I was one of six people

who protested outside the Arab-American Museum this

evening. You see, the museum, unwittingly of her

crimes, I'd like to think, granted the Arab-American

Institute venue to host Madeline Albright. The

Clinton administration's Secretary of State was to

speak about her new book "The Mighty and the Almighty:

Reflections on America, God, and World Affairs."

I was there with one other Arab, two other protesters

were Caucasian, one was Jewish, and one cute baby

whose delightful smile made the rainy weather easier

to protest in. We stood at each of the museum's two

entrances with our signs. "Madeline Albright, 500,000

kids' lives do matter," "The 'price' is not worth it,"

"Uncle Scum kills kids," "Remember the Nakba."

We called her out for her war crimes of supporting

sanctions on Iraq and unconditionally supporting

Israel's violent occupation of Palestine. Those few

people going into the building who answered us on why

they were attending responded that they were there for

"dialogue", a word I grew to despise on this rainy

night.

Cops kept a close eye on us the entire two hours we

were there. Museum personnel took pictures of us as

they nervously whispered to security guards. Whenever

I did have a chance to speak to a Museum employee, I

asked them how come an Arab-killer is being hosted in

a building that displays the word "Arab" on the door.

"Dialogue" was an answer to end all answers.

After an hour and a half of chanting, we finally

caught a glimpse of Albright from outside the glass

doors as she emerged from the lecture hall. We shouted

at her full capacity. Murderer, Arab-killer, racist,

war criminal, butcher.

We weren't being rhetorical. If anything, we were

almost quoting her own words. She herself admitted to

killing Arabs with sanctions on national TV and added

that it was worth it.

I felt refreshed when about eight other people who had

stepped outside said they agreed with us. They made me

think that perhaps I'd been too judgmental of the

folks who are inside. It could be the case that people

strategically thought of luring her into the lecture

room where they could throw tomatoes or at the very

least verbally show her that she is not welcome (on

second thought, my people are more likely to throw

shoes if we want to insult. Tomatoes are better saved

for nutritious purposes). So I put my sign away and

quietly entered the building, where museum personnel,

backed by the police, told me to leave. This is an

event open to the public, I protested. This is an Arab

museum and I'm an Arab and you're excluding me but

allowing Arab-killers in. My words fell on deaf ears.

Although some of us were at the front door and some at

the back, Albright somehow managed to sneak into her

limo behind our backs to be delivered to her next

destination. We'd initially thought she'd only be

speaking at the museum. As the number of museum

attendees dwindled, we found out her next stop, much

to our horror.

The new mosque on Ford Road .

A spontaneous decision needed to be made. Should we

risk appearing disrespectful to a place of worship and

follow her there, or call it a night and drive home

before the rain gets worse?

Just like the presence of American soldiers in

Fallujah's mosques and Israeli soldiers in Hebron's

mosques, the presence of a war criminal in a Dearborn

mosque is extremely disrespectful.

Perfect timing. We arrived at the mosque the same time

her majesty did. About 20 people greeted her. We knew

we'd be escorted out immediately if we said anything,

so we walked in without a plan and blended in with the

bedazzled crowd. I finally got a close view of

Albright. She was wearing a purple suit and, how

appropriate, a headscarf on her hair. The smile on her

face and on the faces of her flattered hosts almost

made me physically ill. It took every ounce of

self-discipline I had to walk with everyone silently,

the charges of mass murder almost ripping their way

out of me while the images of bodies upon bodies of

Iraqi infants rushed through my head. Here I was, a

few feet behind their executioner. I tried to think of

the most reasonable thing to do, but reason was

inaccessible and absolutely nothing useful came to

mind.

As she was being given a grand tour of the mosque, one

of my friends, the baby's mother, addressed Albright

directly. "Shhh! Please! You're being disruptive!"

were the frantic, angry pleas she received from the

event's organizers. Cops, the same ones who were

outside the museum, told my two friends to leave for

being "disruptive" (as if their armed presence inside

a place of worship wasn't).

So I was now on my own and I followed the party

upstairs. A cop, the same one who'd asked me to leave

the museum earlier, followed me each step on the way

upstairs, barely a couple of feet behind me. I should

give people the benefit of the doubt; maybe the cop

was trying to protect me, an unarmed Iraqi, from the

Iraqi-murderer who was upstairs.

On the second floor of the mosque, Albright and her

company had their backs towards the stairs as she

admired the chandeliers. I found the main organizer of

the event, and asked him why he'd invited a war

criminal. He said "because she has a new book". He was

just about to mention that cursed word "dialogue" when

I asked him whether Ariel Sharon was anywhere on his

list of guests. He said he didn't want to discuss it

now, at which point my guardian angel, the one in

police uniform, told me to leave and that I'd be

arrested if I caused further disruption.

At that very moment, Madeline Albright and her tour

guide, the imam of the mosque, turned around and

started heading towards where I was standing on their

way downstairs. They were only a few feet away, and as

the cop was uttering threats, Albright's eyes met

mine.

The following two or three seconds seemed like an

eternity as I struggled to think on my feet. What

should I do? What should I say? The grand imams and

important men of the Arab community are surrounding

her. They're still "my people" in the end and they

probably just don't know better. Wouldn't I be

embarrassing them if I say what I feel? Should I open

my mouth and forever be excommunicated from this

mosque or should I remain silent? I was asked to leave

the museum earlier and I will be asked to leave the

mosque now, so should I go ahead and sign my own exile

decree from Dearborn, the last place that feels like a

home away from home, and close its doors behind me on

the way out?

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: "We have

heard that a half million children have died. I mean,

that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you

know, is the price worth it?"

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: "I think this

is a very hard choice, but the price -- we think the

price is worth it"

60 Minutes (5/12/96)

The Iraqi children you killed and their parents can't

exactly dialogue with you, Madeline Albright.

After the policewoman's arrest threat, I realized I

had one last shot at "dialoging" before possibly being

arrested. I yelled at Albright 'YOU KILLED HALF A

MILLION OF MY PEOPLE', and the policewoman escorted me

downstairs before I had a chance to see the reaction

on Albright's or her hosts' faces.

I reached the mosque's main door, where cops were

intimidating my two friends. When I was upstairs, they

had threatened the baby's mother with imprisoning her,

leaving the child in state custody, if she didn't show

them her identification. Heartless, manipulating,

power freaks. After vain attempts to reason with them,

we finally left the mosque.

On this night that I will never forget, I was excluded

from an Arab museum although I'm an Arab, and I was

excluded from a mosque although I'm a Muslim. This

was so that I don't disrupt the otherwise harmonious

visit of a child killer who was generously received at

both places. Forget about the misjudgments of the

event's organizers. Where was the Arab community of

Dearborn? Why were there only two Arabs protesting her

presence while the rest of us competed for photos with

her? Does our obsession with survival in the United

States of America so aggressively trump our concern

for our people, our homelands, and our identities?

Remember what happened the last time a war criminal

visited a mosque? The entire Palestinian population

rose up. The second intifada started in 2000 because a

warmonger dared to set foot on Muslim holy property.

How exactly is Madeline Albright any different from

Ariel Sharon? If she's not, then are occupied peoples

the only ones with a duty to resist?

"Ten men can be sitting at a table eating, you know,

dining, and I can come and sit down where they're

dining. They're dining; I've got a plate in front of

me, but nothing is on it. Because all of us are

sitting at the same table, are all of us diners? I'm

not a diner until you let me dine. Then I become a

diner. Just being at the table with others who are

dining doesn't make me a diner, and this is what

you've got to get in your head here in this country.

Just because you're in this country doesn't make you

an American." – Malcolm X.

Unlike Malcolm X, many of us in this country haven't

even contemplated sitting at the table. We're

perfectly satisfied crouching underneath the table,

scrambling to salvage and treasure any crumbs Albright

and other diners may charitably throw to us.

I've criticized my fellow Arabs too much. In fairness,

who am I to judge? My failure to organize Arabs in

America , not to mention my continued enjoyment of the

fruits of the occupations of Iraq and Palestine by

virtue of existing here, robs me of all moral

authority to judge any Arab.

My dear nameless, dead children of Iraq, forgive your

big sister for being capable of so little in the face

of your murderer this evening.

As I dropped my friend off, she tried to lighten our

mood, so she asked me "you don't drink, do you?" I

said no. She replied "but this would've been a perfect

night for whiskey!" We both had a much-needed laugh.

Whether or not we're observant Muslims, we take

intoxicants stronger than whiskey everyday and we

don't even know it. We've chosen our comfortable

lifestyles, our desire to seize job opportunities in

governments and important companies, our photo ops

with politicians. We've chosen to live in the belly of

the beast and we renew that decision every morning we

wake up on US soil. But we know how to deal with it.

We've developed our defense mechanisms. We've chosen

to numb what's left of our conscience towards our

sisters and brothers back home. From where we sit,

inside our red, white and blue ivory towers, we try to

imagine that perhaps the United States can be a fair

broker in the Middle East if it would only listen to

us. So we "dialogue" our way there as we gradually

start believing the lies we tell ourselves.

However, if the children of Palestine who throw rocks

had hope in the face of Israeli tanks, and if the

martyrs of Fallujah had hope in the face of the

world's only superpower, I have no excuse to give up.

Saja

I can not believe how many munafiqs are among us. These are the same type of trash that had Paul Wofowitz as a speaker at the UMAA convention. Its time we muslims in America replaced our leadership, because its getting seriously out of hand.

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I recieved this in an email today and I am outraged.

I can not believe how many munafiqs are among us. These are the same type of trash that had Paul Wofowitz as a speaker at the UMAA convention. Its time we muslims in America replaced our leadership, because its getting seriously out of hand.

Perhaps the muslim leadership in America does not act in accordance with your interpretation of beliefs and policy because the majority of muslims in America do not think in accordance with you.

The leadership changes when the people will it. Obviously, your community has done little to change the leadership. A true travesty is not when bad people commit bad acts, but when good people have the power to prevent these acts and do nothing.

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Perhaps the muslim leadership in America does not act in accordance with your interpretation of beliefs and policy because the majority of muslims in America do not think in accordance with you.

The leadership changes when the people will it. Obviously, your community has done little to change the leadership. A true travesty is not when bad people commit bad acts, but when good people have the power to prevent these acts and do nothing.

I think that any decent human being, both muslim and non muslim, know that both Madeline Albright and Paul Wolfowitiz are enemies of humanity. Madeline Albright is a murderer, and it is absolutely disgusting that muslims would show that much respect to a woman who is responsible for the deaths of so many innocent muslims, the majority of which were small children.

I agree with you on the second part of your post though. I believe that I am failing because I have not done enough to change the situation. I first and foremost blame my self.

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I think that any decent human being, both muslim and non muslim, know that both Madeline Albright and Paul Wolfowitiz are enemies of humanity. Madeline Albright is a murderer, and it is absolutely disgusting that muslims would show that much respect to a woman who is responsible for the deaths of so many innocent muslims, the majority of which were small children.

I agree with you on the second part of your post though. I believe that I am failing because I have not done enough to change the situation. I first and foremost blame my self.

I do not personally like Madeline Albright, but for different reasons. However, I understand your anger. You put the blame of the deaths for these people from the starvation that occured in Iraq on the sanctions placed on Iraq. This is not an unfair assessment, the sanctions did directly cause the shortage in food supply which did cause starvation. But what caused the sanctions? Was it not the brutality of Saddam Hussein? Was it not also the brutality of Saddam Hussein that caused the deaths of thousands of others entirely unrelated to or effected by the sanctions?

I am not saying that Madeline Albright or that sanctions themselves are without blame. This is an ugly incident and all sides have blood on their hands. However, this situation was also complicated as it was brutal. What were the options? Allow Saddam to continue to profit from international trade and his corruption of the UN so that he can profiteer from his nation's poverty and plot to attack more of his neighboring nations? Attack Saddam Hussein to remove him from office? We have seen obviously that such a move aforementioned is unpopular. What do you do to a madman who has his finger on the trigger of a gun pointed at his own people and is completely unpredictable?

I pray for the souls of all those killed in Iraq; both by Saddam Hussein, by the insurgents who target civilians, and as the unfortunate result of accidents of war.

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Was it not also the brutality of Saddam Hussein that caused the deaths of thousands of others entirely unrelated to or effected by the sanctions?

My friend, please keep in mind that it was the US who caused the rise of Saddam Hussein as well. So when it really comes down to it full circle, almost every single problem that the iraqis are having or have had in the last 40-50 years is due to US Foreign policy and intervention.

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It was at the Islamic Center of America actually. Please boycott these hypocrites. Heres a picture of "Imam" Hasan Qazwini behind albright.

http://www.pressandguide.com/stories/05170...060517001.shtml

It is beyond me why a person who wears the clothes of the prophet will meet with the Killer of 500,000 Iraqi Children. I'm beyond angry at this point. This so called imam has also eaten dinner with bush in the white house. During the time of yazid there was some imams like this too. May Allah guide us all.

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Here is the Centers phone number (313) 593-0000 Please call and explain why hosting a killer of iraqi children is not okay.

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I have always felt she was put on the spot by that question. Of course she didn't want children to starve. the united States had a united front on saddam. everyone had to talk tough. they were trying to force oil for food to work by making saddam take the sanctions seriously.

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I am not saying that Madeline Albright or that sanctions themselves are without blame. This is an ugly incident and all sides have blood on their hands. However, this situation was also complicated as it was brutal. What were the options? Allow Saddam to continue to profit from international trade and his corruption of the UN so that he can profiteer from his nation's poverty and plot to attack more of his neighboring nations? Attack Saddam Hussein to remove him from office? We have seen obviously that such a move aforementioned is unpopular. What do you do to a madman who has his finger on the trigger of a gun pointed at his own people and is completely unpredictable?

So the U.S government decided to starve out nearly 2 million Iraqi chidren as well as invade and force Saddam from power?

I could think of a million other solutions to the problem that wouldnt of cost the lives of so many innocent children.

What crime did these children commit?

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This child was born in Iraq in the years since the Gulf War, when over three hundred tons of highly toxic depleted uranium were fired in weapons at Iraq. While there is no direct evidence (or research for that matter) linking depleted uranium exposure with such birth defects, doctors in Iraq report a tenfold increase in certain kinds of birth defects (including webbed or fused fingers and toes, missing eyes and vital organs, and severe brain damage) since the end of the war--and many US Gulf War Veterans have parented children with similar birth defects. Picture courtesy of Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament's Campaign against Depleted Uranium.

The u.s could of removed Saddam in 91 when they invaded, why didnt they?

These sanctions did nothing, except destroy the lives of millions of people.

The united states is responsible for countless autrocites. They are directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions of iraqies. The real holocaust is in Iraq.

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I encourage every muslim in America to phone the Islamic Center of America and to express their outrage over this incident.

Brother SayedMusawi has already provided the phone number to the center:

Here is the Centers phone number (313) 593-0000 Please call and explain why hosting a killer of iraqi children is not okay.

I have already called them to express my disgust towards this. No one was there so I left a message.

Speak to the leaders of your masjids, let them know whats going on in our community here in the U.S. We need to put a stop to things like this from happening.

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This is sick.

I remember watching an interview with Madeline Albright where she was asked if the lives of half a million Iraqi children was worth it (i.e. worth her crimes), she replied: YES.

This woman is EVIL and I find even greater disgust at these so-called muslim leaders who dress in the prophet's clothes and court people who bring shame to the devil himself.

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Ahh yes the sell outs invited the witch . I called them i actually spoke with some women there who i swear was a blonde . She couldnt understand why i was mad ! Though ive always boycotted that huge mosque on ford rd . I wont pray in a masjid that is just there for hosting political leaders . Youd think it was a carnival not a mosque . Thanks for giving me yet another reason not to step foot in there . Id much rather pray at the karbala ctr thank you very much .

In all honesty if i was there id spit in albrights face she has the blood of many innocent iraqis on her hand . I will be emailing someone at that mosque soon to inquire about how the living hell she was allowed there . inshallah i'll post their reply .

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My god that is the most evil looking woman I have ever seen in my life.

This woman is EVIL and I find even greater disgust at these so-called muslim leaders who dress in the prophet's clothes and court people who bring shame to the devil himsel

I second that.

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I believe one must be political, perhaps you can call them sell outs, tyrants and so forth but what will that change? One must be political, I know children have nothing to do with this but i suppose she is a tyrant but then again there are other ways to bring down such people not shout and chant slogans. Anyway who am i to judge, i just believe in different methods in tackling people like that

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i emailed them heres my email i'll post theirs when they reply :

Date:Mon, 22 May 2006 17:22:59 -0700 (PDT)

From:Subject:re: madeline albright visit

To:info@icofa.com

Salaam alikum . I have lived in dearborn for about 15 yrs . I have watched this community flourish . Also i have watched many many mosques and masajid go up . I was very excited for the construction of the large mosque on ford rd . It was an astounding feat to build it . Still never had i anticipated that it would be used to host the likes of madeline albright . Is it possible that you dont know of what she did to the iraqi children ?Or have you yet to hear her say the price is worth it about the lives of half a million iraqi children ? May i ask why you hosted her ? Has she done anything for the muslim community ? That mosque isnt a carnival to host any politician there . It is a place of worship not a place for a photo opt . Oh yes tomorrow im having condolezza rice iover at amanis for lunch ! I really dont think a mosque built for muslims to worship Allah swt is fit for the likes of albright . It makes one wonder why this extravagnt mosque was built ... To say the least i am very disappointed . i will stick topraying at the karbala ctr salaam your sister aaliyah alburakee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~lets see their excuse this time

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more from sayed qazwini's own site:

Madeline Albright, former secretary of state, visited the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan, and met with Imam Qazwini. Mrs. Albright was visiting Detroit to promote her recently released book, The Mighty and the Almighty. She was accompanied by Dr. James Zoghbi, chairman of the Arab American Institute. Mrs. Albright was given a tour of the new Mosque by Imam Qazwini. A reception followed, held in her honor at the Islamic Center's reception hall.

Imam Qazwini discussed with Mrs. Albright issues pertaining to the Muslim community, the Muslim world, and U.S. foreign policy. Imam Qazwini alluded to the fact that recent polls in the U.S. are showing increasing numbers of Americans harboring negative views about Islam and the Muslim community. Mrs. Albright, in response, indicated that those in charge of the U.S. educational system must cope with this phenomenon, by offering our American students a better understanding of all world religions, including Islam. Mrs. Albright also expressed her wishes that Palestinian people can one day realize their dreams by soon having a viable state.

Mrs. Albright also expressed her opposition towards the U.S. military actions against Iran, due to the nuclear crisis. She said that she advised President Bush not to go to war with Iran, rather to establish an open and direct dialogue with Iran. Mrs. Albright admitted that justifying the sanctions on Iraq during the nineties, that claimed the lives of thousands of Iraqi children, was the biggest mistake of her life.

Prior to Mrs. Albrights leaving, Imam Qazwini gifted her with a copy of the Holy Quran.

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Prior to Mrs. Albrights leaving, Imam Qazwini gifted her with a copy of the Holy Quran.
[56:77] That this is indeed a qur'an Most Honourable,

[56:78] In a book that is protected

[56:79] Which none shall touch but those who are clean.

She's nijis.

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Thanks for sharing the pictures of these Munafeqeen. And like somebody says, there have always been people like these ones, in the prophets clothes acting against Islamic values. Spread this information to all, to expose these Munafeqeens. There is no difference between Hisham (one of Imam Ridhas(A) nearest but a betrayer who sold his soul to the abbaside caliph Mamun but in the same time always thought that he was in service of Imam Ridha(A) and Islam when he acted against that!) and this people.

May Allahs curse be on the Munafeqeen! :mad:

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(salam) I am a bit disturbed that some of the brothers and sisters are attacking Imam Qazwini. I personally do not agree with his friendly reception of Albright or Bush for that matter. However, show me an Imam in the United States that has even attempted to try to influence politicians to take a look at the Muslim point of view. Most of the "ulema" in the United States have the attitude that American politicians are all kufar and we will never convince them of our point of view. If that's the case, what's the point of living here? Many Muslims are working hard to secure their futures and the futures of their children in this country. Also the allegation that the Imams in the U.S. are on the "payroll" of the American government is baseless and contains no proof. This is not Iran. The United States and Islamic Iran are two different nations, which contain two different ways of dealing with the problems of the Muslims. I also think it's a grave sin to accuse someone of being a munafiq without real proof. What has been shown so far is an Imam trying to talk sense into those who don't really care about our faith. Also, who would you rather have lecturing Bush, Imam Qazwini, or Jerry Falwell, or how about Pat Robertson? It's funny, us Shia think Imam Qazwini is too pro American and the American Media seem to think he's an undercover Jihadi Islamist, lol. For those living outside of the U.S. it makes sense to condemn it, what's wrong is wrong, and I agree. But for people like me living in the United States, I think we need to be more open to explore new ways to show these ignorant people the truth. Thanks.

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American Muslim leadership (both Shi'a and Sunni) for the most part have sold out the umma to these war criminals - nothing new about this - but good to see people raise the issue, and write to the mosque that such behaviors is outrageous.

Unfortunately there are way too many people who want a comfortable life in the United States - and have no qualms about saying what Uncle tells 'em to say and do... wha they don't realize is that these people will come and bite 'em hard - they are ruthless war criminals who will one day, inshallah, receive their just punishment.

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Mrs. Albright also expressed her opposition towards the U.S. military actions against Iran, due to the nuclear crisis. She said that she advised President Bush not to go to war with Iran, rather to establish an open and direct dialogue with Iran. Mrs. Albright admitted that justifying the sanctions on Iraq during the nineties, that claimed the lives of thousands of Iraqi children, was the biggest mistake of her life.

This is what Ms. Albright supposedly said. Now, even if she made this statement, can it justify what was done?

Anyways, if this new Palace really is a mosque, are there not rules against allowing such people into the mosque? What was the need for building such a lavish palace, and with government money?

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(salam) I am a bit disturbed that some of the brothers and sisters are attacking Imam Qazwini. I personally do not agree with his friendly reception of Albright or Bush for that matter. However, show me an Imam in the United States that has even attempted to try to influence politicians to take a look at the Muslim point of view. Most of the "ulema" in the United States have the attitude that American politicians are all kufar and we will never convince them of our point of view. If that's the case, what's the point of living here? Many Muslims are working hard to secure their futures and the futures of their children in this country. Also the allegation that the Imams in the U.S. are on the "payroll" of the American government is baseless and contains no proof. This is not Iran. The United States and Islamic Iran are two different nations, which contain two different ways of dealing with the problems of the Muslims. I also think it's a grave sin to accuse someone of being a munafiq without real proof. What has been shown so far is an Imam trying to talk sense into those who don't really care about our faith. Also, who would you rather have lecturing Bush, Imam Qazwini, or Jerry Falwell, or how about Pat Robertson? It's funny, us Shia think Imam Qazwini is too pro American and the American Media seem to think he's an undercover Jihadi Islamist, lol. For those living outside of the U.S. it makes sense to condemn it, what's wrong is wrong, and I agree. But for people like me living in the United States, I think we need to be more open to explore new ways to show these ignorant people the truth. Thanks.

I don't disagree with political activism, but why Madeline Albright? Bush, I somewhat understand, as it was before the terrible fiascos of Iraq, etc. However, must not one be careful with whom he associates?

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Please notice who is kissing who.

Bush is kissing Sayed Qazwini. Not vice versa.

When this happend, sayed was shocked.

Also, please keep in mind, sayed qazwini is representing islam on behalf of the nation. it's the islamic centre of america. he can't just insult bush and frown at him.

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If a person is uninformed about politics he better stay silent and talk less about what he doesn’t know, rather than attacking some scholars.

America is evil and as Imam Khomayni (qas) says “ If America said: there is no God but Allah we will not believe them”

But here its different because those people are living inside America, they are part of this community therefore its is a good step to be part of the political life in America rather than staying away from the community.

Allah had a dialogue with the Shaytan him self _ go back to the Quran and read _ so there is nothing wrong by having a dialogue with some one like Albright

Try not to attack any scholar and try to look at things from different angles not only from one perspective

If you want to talk go out side America, dont live there and then its a different story :)

[3:66] Behold! you are they who disputed about that of which you had knowledge; why then do you dispute about that of which you have no knowledge? And Allah knows while you do not know.

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If a person is uninformed about politics he better stay silent and talk less about what he doesn’t know, rather than attacking some scholars.

America is evil and as Imam Khomayni (qas) says “ If America said: there is no God but Allah we will not believe them”

But here its different because those people are living inside America, they are part of this community therefore its is a good step to be part of the political life in America rather than staying away from the community.

Allah had a dialogue with the Shaytan him self _ go back to the Quran and read _ so there is nothing wrong by having a dialogue with some one like Albright

Try not to attack any scholar and try to look at things from different angles not only from one perspective

If you want to talk go out side America, dont live there and then its a different story :)

[3:66] Behold! you are they who disputed about that of which you had knowledge; why then do you dispute about that of which you have no knowledge? And Allah knows while you do not know.

So by ur logic, people in Iraq shud have had dialogue with Saddam ? people in Syira during Muawiayh and Yazid's rule shud have had dialogue with them ? is that what u call as politics ?

the day is not far when Salman Rushdie will also be called to Islamic centres to have a "dialogue"...:)

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So by ur logic, people in Iraq shud have had dialogue with Saddam ? people in Syira during Muawiayh and Yazid's rule shud have had dialogue with them ?

Its not haram to have a dialogue with any one ( let it be saddam. Mohaweya, Yazid or even Al Shemer) May Allah curse them all.

If you don’t agree please provide me with any proof from the Quran or the sunna which says its haram to have dialogue with such people.

Look at:

*The dialogue between Allah and the Shaytan

*The dialogue between the prophet (pbuh) and the Kufar and even between him and the people who hurted him from Quraysh

*The dialogue between Fatima Al Zahra (as) and the people who hurted her

*The dialogue between Imam Ali (as) and the Khwarej or those who went out against him in war

Brother to have a “dialogue” with any one is not haram and it doesn’t mean you agree or love the one your having a dialogue with.

They are American Muslims…. They live in America

Leave America and then it’s a different story

hope that was clear :)

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"[Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9)

I can certainly see some of the well-made points on this thread regarding the danger of inviting a former senior member of the U.S. government for a talk...however.

We should keep in mind that the Prophet Mohammad (a.s.) made treaties with non-Muslims (Kaffir's, Mushriks, etc.) and advised even his enemies. The same can be said of the Imams (a.s.), and especially Imam Ali (a.s.) who gave advice and instructions to anyone who asked, including the killers of Fatima Zahrah (a.s.) and Aisha, who was respected and returned home unharmed despite her encouraging a rebellion in which the lives of innocent Muslims were martyred.

While I do not agree with everything that Sayed Qazwini does, he is a respected scholar and I feel that some of the commets on this thread regarding him and his family are innappropriate and will only cause fitna and division within the Muslim community. It is a reality that in a society such as the U.S. a respectful and appropriate channel of communication between the government and the Muslim community in American is essential. It is also equally important that our Muslim leaders use this channel of communication to influence government policy without compromising Islamic principles.

The issue that is being confused here seems to a mixing up of the concept of taking Federal governmant officials as a wali (protector, advisor) and the concept of advising and dealing kindly and justly with the same. The former is not allowed Islamically, while the latter clearly is.

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We can’t even keep an Islamic shia high school, the only one of its kind in the Midwest, open and running.

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I don't think that the high school folded because of lack of government funding, but rather, because of poor planning, nepotism and incopetant (and I'm being kind) operational and financial management. In summary, it had to do with the "Ram's Horn" parking lot, not the White House.

Some problems are OUR OWN fault!

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"[Allah forbids you not with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah loves those who are just. Allah only forbids you with regard to those who fight you for your faith, and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out, from turning to them for protection (or taking them as wali). Those who seek their protection they are indeed wrong- doers.] (Al-Mumtahinah 60: 8-9)

My dear brother you are looking at them as Iraqi’s, Pakistanis, Lebanese, Iranians etc who are having a dialogue with America

But I am looking at them as American Muslims who are ONLY having a “dialogue” with THEIR government.

Exchanging of perspectives and entering to the political life of America.

And thats not haram because that doesn’t mean you will become part of Bush government or accept what they do.

Fie Aman Allah :)

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My dear brother you are looking at them as Iraqi’s, Pakistanis, Lebanese, Iranians etc who are having a dialogue with America

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This is not how I'm looking at it. I think we are in agreement on this issue.

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Let him have a dialouge with Bush, I dont care. As that happend before the Iraqi invasion (I personaly dont agree with it.. but what ever). If he wants to try to "advise" Bush as people are trying to put it, then let him (his advice has done nothing).

But now we are looking at a differnt issue. Madeline Albright is no longer a key player in American politics. We all know she has no influince over the current regime, what is the point of having "dialogue" with her? This woman is a mass murderer.

Please if some one knows what purpose at all it serves to have her come and tour a shia masjid let me know. What better outcome will there be for shias in America? We will gain the freindship of some one who starves out hundreds of thousands of our children on one side, and praises us on the other?

When the Prophet (pbuh) opend up dialogue with the mushrikeen of meccah, it was to make a peace treaty. What peace treaty will you make with Madaline Albright?

This serves as nothing but a photo op.

I am a Shia living in America and I am very angered by this incident. But what upsets me more is that there are people trying to justify his actions.

Just because some one wears a turban on their head does not mean that every thing they do is correct. Lets critisize the wrong actions that our leadership takes.

How do you think my master sahib ul saif felt when he had to sit by and watch all those innocent muslim children starving to death?

Do you think that he would like to see a man wearing the clothes of his grandfather, a man who claims to repersent his household, go and invite this woman to come and take a tour of the house of Allah, and open up a dialogue with her?

Please every one use the aqil that Allah gave you. No benefit came from this action. Except that this criminal (Madaline Albright) can probably sleep better at night knowing that the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi shia lives that she took, dont even matter to Iraqi Shias here in America.

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brother khorasani

After we agreed that there is nothing wrong by having a dialogue with any one. We should now ask the people in control at the masjid respectfully about the aim of this invitation

Again don’t attack any one before giving them a chance to explain about this invitation

Please reply on us when you get the answer from the mosque and after that we will look on how to solve this problem not how to make it worse :)

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