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Growing popularity of Sufism in Iran

Roxana Saberi

BBC News Tehran

The lights are dimmed in a home in northern Tehran. The men, women and teenagers gathered in the large living room close their eyes and rock back and forth to the beat of live music.

As the tambourine and drums beat louder and faster, some members of the group climb to their feet. They begin to swirl slowly in circles and raise their hands to the ceiling. A few fall into trances.

"You can somehow touch relaxation," says 22-year-old Mahsa, who believes that music and dance can provide a direct route to Allah.

"It's a very good sensation, and you think your soul is flying, that somehow you're not in your body."

These Iranians consider themselves Shia Muslims, as do most Iranians, and look to the first Shia Imam, Ali, as a spiritual guide.

But they also call themselves Sufis.

Sufis believe that at the core of all religions lies the same truth and that God is the only reality behind all forms of existence.

They also believe that the individual, through his or her own efforts, can reach spiritual union with God.

Spread of Sufism

Sufism, or Islamic mysticism, appeared in the eighth century in present-day Iraq.

Iranian Sufis say Islamic mysticism has become more and more popular in the country in recent years.

No official statistics are available, but Heshmatollah Riazi, a former professor of philosophy and theology in Iran, believes two to five million Iranians practice Sufism today - compared to only about 100,000 before Iran's Islamic Revolution of 1979.

He says Iran is home to the largest number of Sufis in the Middle East.

"Sufis have nothing to gain from superficial religious thoughts, and they seek spirituality," says Mr Riazi.

Nowadays, hundreds of young Iranians are increasingly joining Sufi groups.

"They need something to develop love and their internal sense of freedom."

Some Iranians who are attracted to Sufi sessions say their gatherings provide entertainment and camaraderie.

Others say they like Sufism for its liberal view of religion.

Growing tensions

Many Iranian Sufis also report that the growing popularity of Sufism has contributed to greater tensions between them and certain elements of the Islamic regime.

Earlier this year, violent clashes broke out after authorities ordered the closure of a Sufi house of worship, or Husseinieh, in the central Iranian seminary city of Qom.

"Official religion has a series of limitations, and its limitations are much stricter than in Sufism," says 20-year-old Ashkan, a member of the New World Unity Sufi group in Iran.

Members of the Nematullahi Gonabadi Sufi group say the Husseinieh was set on fire and that hundreds of their members who had refused to leave the building were arrested, although most have been released since then.

Qom's governor, Abbas Mohtaj, has said the Sufis were ordered to leave because they had begun building on the property without the necessary permits, the government-run Iran newspaper reported on its website.

Mr Mohtaj has also been quoted as saying the Sufis had ties to foreign countries that were trying to create insecurity in Iran.

But Riazi denies these charges and says the authorities had other motives for shutting down the Husseinieh.

"[The authorities] are concerned that Sufis will do something against them, while on the contrary, Sufis don't interfere in politics at all," says Mr Riazi, a member of the Gonabadi group, which does not have music or dancing at its gatherings. "They follow the law and are not opposed to the Islamic Republic."

Sufism and orthodoxy

In the past, certain Sufi groups have come into conflict with orthodox Islam.

They caused concern among some clergy over the observance of practices that departed from traditional ritual.

Some Sufis say before Iran's Islamic Revolution, Mohammad Reza Shah imprisoned some Sufi leaders. They say in the early years after the revolution, the new regime also confronted some Sufi groups - detaining some leaders and shutting down their gatherings.

Sufis look to their own spiritual leaders, while Iran's official version of Islam advocates the practice of following a Marja-e taqlid, or a cleric who is an expert in Islamic jurisprudence.

And in contrast to Sufis, orthodox Muslims believe that a person can never "become" God or be united with him.

Cordial relations

Many Sufis say, however, the Qom dispute was an exception to the generally cordial relations they have had with the government in recent years.

And Javad Arianmanesh, a member of the Cultural Commission in Iran's parliament, says the government does not limit Sufi activities.

"Sufis are one of those groups which mostly act within the framework of Islam," he says.

"Also, because Sufis work within our framework [that of the Islamic Republic], there is no kind of problem for them."

"Iran - contrary to the propaganda that the world spreads against it - is one of the freest countries of the world, and Sufis also are part of this country and are completely free," he says. "They can, based on their own beliefs, perform their own ceremonies."

But a government official who preferred to remain unidentified says the regime's treatment of Sufis is not always consistent because it is based on ambiguous laws.

He explains that on the one hand, Sufi meetings should not be disrupted, but on the other hand, Sufis should not proselytize.

"We asked both the previous and the current governments to have more concrete laws and to form a commission to oversee Sufis' activities because regulations about their activities are contradictory," says the official, who worked for both the previous, reformist President Mohammad Khatami and the current, conservative President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

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You "forgot" to highlight this sentence:

Qom's governor, Abbas Mohtaj, has said the Sufis were ordered to leave because they had begun building on the property without the necessary permits, the government-run Iran newspaper reported on its website.

All this talk about Sufism reminds me of the 11th Imams hadith about Sufis

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You "forgot" to highlight this sentence:

Qom's governor, Abbas Mohtaj, has said the Sufis were ordered to leave because they had begun building on the property without the necessary permits, the government-run Iran newspaper reported on its website.

All this talk about Sufism reminds me of the 11th Imams hadith about Sufis

What is that hadith, bro? Spread the knowledge :)

Wasalaam

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Gonabadi group, which does not have music or dancing at its gatherings. "They follow the law and are not opposed to the Islamic Republic."

I never got why they called the Gonabadi group sufis. there not really sufis in the sense were we imagine them putting music on and swirling.... edit : I guess its the structure of its leadership whch is sufi.

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What is that hadith, bro? Spread the knowledge

Don't want to misquote anything so I will search for the hadith and put it here when I find it, inshallah.

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My video topic about these people was removed, but if anyone is interested in knowing how crazy these people are, and you have a strong stomach. Please PM me for a link to the video.

The group this article refers to are the so called ali allahi's, as they are called by Iranians.

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My video topic about these people was removed, but if anyone is interested in knowing how crazy these people are, and you have a strong stomach. Please PM me for a link to the video.

The group this article refers to are the so called ali allahi's, as they are called by Iranians.

yeah i saw that video, it was one of the most insane thing i have ever seen..May Allah guide these people...

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My video topic about these people was removed, but if anyone is interested in knowing how crazy these people are, and you have a strong stomach. Please PM me for a link to the video.

The group this article refers to are the so called ali allahi's, as they are called by Iranians.

Was your video like others of people parading down the street cutting themselves with knives and whipping themselves? Can you please explain the difference.

Peace

Satyaban

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(salam),

Even Imam Khomeini taught the works of Ibn Arabi. He concluded that Sufism is something that is not understood by the majority of people, and that it has alot of truth within it.

Ws

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they should crack down on these idiots.

Please brother. With lingo like this, you lose a lot of support which you lack anyway from other Muslim people and nations.

Besides, these "idiots" were the one to establish the first Shia state all over Iran.

Read upon the Safaviyah Order of Sufis.

OK I just saw the video. Those Kurds belong to the Qadiri-Rifai Sufi Order.

No Shia Sufi order does weirdo things like this.

So Arman thanks for a completely irrelevant post. :squeez:

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Them being kurdish is irrelevant. These are infact the same people. Some time ago one of their so called worhsip houses in Tehran was closed when they came with knives and axes to attack the police.

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^ That is nice.

I know they exist in Turkey and Balkans too.

But to post a video link of them and say this is "Sufism" was irrelevant.

To others, what they do is no different to what Shias do on Muharrem.

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^ That is nice.

I know they exist in Turkey and Balkans too.

But to post a video link of them and say this is "Sufism" was irrelevant.

To others, what they do is no different to what Shias do on Muharrem.

I have never seen a shia hammer a knife in his skull. As for the other things. You only see that with some crazy small minority.

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You realize when you call them raghead mullahs, they are wearing the dress of our Prophet and Holy Imams,

Correct me if I'm wrong in assuming that you are calling the dress of our Prophet this insult.

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(salam),

My father told me of a Sufi master in Iran who could hold his hand in boiling oil, and remove it without even leaving a mark simply by calling out the name of Allah (swt) and channeling the pain he felt through prayer. If you simply dismiss such acts as Haram, we have a long way to go before we are ready for Imam Mahdi (af).

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(salam),

My father told me of a Sufi master in Iran who could hold his hand in boiling oil, and remove it without even leaving a mark simply by calling out the name of Allah (swt) and channeling the pain he felt through prayer. If you simply dismiss such acts as Haram, we have a long way to go before we are ready for Imam Mahdi (af).

(salam)

That is nonsense. The boiling temperature of oil is 300C (600F), I would love him to try that at my home.

Qizilbash, there are many more marja's against tatbir, and you know it.

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You realize when you call them raghead mullahs, they are wearing the dress of our Prophet and Holy Imams,

Correct me if I'm wrong in assuming that you are calling the dress of our Prophet this insult.

Those corrupt "Mullahs" who dress in Prophet's (pbuh) clothing are the ones insulting the dress.

You realize that Yazid, Muawiya, Umar, all wore turbans too?

That is nonsense. The boiling temperature of oil is 300C (600F), I would love him to try that at my home.

Qizilbash, there are many more marja's against tatbir, and you know it.

You like to pick and chose don't you? How about that Ayatullah who can appear at 2 places in one time?

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You realize when you call them raghead mullahs, they are wearing the dress of our Prophet and Holy Imams,

Correct me if I'm wrong in assuming that you are calling the dress of our Prophet this insult.

Did anyone wear such head coverings before the Prophet?

Peace

Satyaban

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Yes I do realize, and yes those who wear the clothes of the Prophet but are corrupt are insulting the dress, but are you insulting the dress of the Prophet as well? Thats the question, say what you want about those who have proven to be corrupt, but why insult the dress of the Prophet? You are justifying your insult of the dress of the Prophet by saying that those are corrupt, but you are still insulting his dress.

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You like to pick and chose don't you? How about that Ayatullah who can appear at 2 places in one time?

I do not know. How about the Ayatollah who apears in one place at one time?

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Sufis are on two types . The first one is the sufism that can be found between the public and ignorant peoples . Its main aspect is blind following of rituals without aknowlegement of their origins , and without following the strict mental and spiritual disciplines that are the main aspect of the second type of sufism , the theoritical sufism which is Irfan (gnosism) .

Between the two types is a big enemity . So when you see them attacking eachothers , don't get fooled with this enemity from the point that they are two different things . They aren't but the same ideology , or at least its same basics . While some people choose the hard path , the others hijack sufism for their own interests with the least effort , tarnishing the name of sufism with their juggleries and charlatanries .

Mulla Sadra (la3) in his works attacked the first type of sufis , but in the other side , he layed the foundations and developped these rituals . What was attacked is the ignorance of the first type sufis and the claims that claimed for themselves when compared to their actual low position in knowledge , and the threat that they can cause on sufism in general .

Any person with a strong believe , and an average look on the hadiths of AhlulBayt (pbuh) , will notice their stances towards all types of mysticism .

The persons that were cursed by AhlulBayt (pbuh) were from the second type of sufism . The first are also cursed , but they aren't but mentally weaked and deceived peoples .

The spread of sufism in Iran , is sponsored by the pantheist regime who is the only spreader of the religion of Wehdat al Mawjud in history .

While our grand shia scholars used to exile the irfanist from the hawzas , we see today that our hawzas are contaminated with hellenic and qabbalistic teachings , in an islamic envelop , the same way the nasibi Ibn Arabi (la3) managed to integrate the hebraic spirituality (qabbalah) in islam .

The contamination have reached the hawzas , thousands of new students , and tens of "ayatullahs" are graduating every year , with these pervert aqaed .

One live example is an institute for teaching theosophy and gnosism , in Lebanon . The institution is a tail for the pantheist program in Iran . This institute is preying upon the shia believers , so they can deviate them from AhlulBayt's (pbuh)

teachings , replacing them (the teachings) with ancient greek and other theosophies strange to pure islam .

Almost some introductory courses are enough to make a believer thinks that there isn't a logical problem in God being a najasat , because their revolutionary leader believed that "Basytu-l Haqiqat" (scientific term that means Allah) is all things .

The spread of the first type of sufism in Iran is surely sponsored by the pantheist regime , for different purposes , mainly for it being the drug of the masses . While we will hear of further arrests and clashes between the pantheist regime and different independant sufi groups , be aware that these problems aren't the result of doctrinal variations , but they are merely restricted on the various threats that can cause for the "islamic" appearance of the regime .

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Sufis are on two types . The first one is the sufism that can be found between the public and ignorant peoples . Its main aspect is blind following of rituals without aknowlegement of their origins , and without following the strict mental and spiritual disciplines that are the main aspect of the second type of sufism , the theoritical sufism which is Irfan (gnosism) .

Between the two types is a big enemity . So when you see them attacking eachothers , don't get fooled with this enemity from the point that they are two different things . They aren't but the same ideology , or at least its same basics . While some people choose the hard path , the others hijack sufism for their own interests with the least effort , tarnishing the name of sufism with their juggleries and charlatanries .

Mulla Sadra (la3) in his works attacked the first type of sufis , but in the other side , he layed the foundations and developped these rituals . What was attacked is the ignorance of the first type sufis and the claims that claimed for themselves when compared to their actual low position in knowledge , and the threat that they can cause on sufism in general .

Any person with a strong believe , and an average look on the hadiths of AhlulBayt (pbuh) , will notice their stances towards all types of mysticism .

The persons that were cursed by AhlulBayt (pbuh) were from the second type of sufism . The first are also cursed , but they aren't but mentally weaked and deceived peoples .

The spread of sufism in Iran , is sponsored by the pantheist regime who is the only spreader of the religion of Wehdat al Mawjud in history .

While our grand shia scholars used to exile the irfanist from the hawzas , we see today that our hawzas are contaminated with hellenic and qabbalistic teachings , in an islamic envelop , the same way the nasibi Ibn Arabi (la3) managed to integrate the hebraic spirituality (qabbalah) in islam .

The contamination have reached the hawzas , thousands of new students , and tens of "ayatullahs" are graduating every year , with these pervert aqaed .

One live example is an institute for teaching theosophy and gnosism , in Lebanon . The institution is a tail for the pantheist program in Iran . This institute is preying upon the shia believers , so they can deviate them from AhlulBayt's (pbuh)

teachings , replacing them (the teachings) with ancient greek and other theosophies strange to pure islam .

Almost some introductory courses are enough to make a believer thinks that there isn't a logical problem in God being a najasat , because their revolutionary leader believed that "Basytu-l Haqiqat" (scientific term that means Allah) is all things .

The spread of the first type of sufism in Iran is surely sponsored by the pantheist regime , for different purposes , mainly for it being the drug of the masses . While we will hear of further arrests and clashes between the pantheist regime and different independant sufi groups , be aware that these problems aren't the result of doctrinal variations , but they are merely restricted on the various threats that can cause for the "islamic" appearance of the regime .

(bismillah)

(salam)

Irfan and Sufism are not the same thing. Not all of the Irfani Schools lead to Wahadat al-Wujud.

"The person of the gnostic ('arif) is with the people, while his heart is with Allah (SWT). If his heart were to forget Allah (SWT) for the time it takes to blink an eye, he would die of yearning for Him. The gnostic is the trustee over the happenings of Allah (SWT), the treasury of His secrets, the repository of his lights, the proof of His mercy to creation, the instrument of His sciences and the measure of His favor and justice. He needs neither people, nor a goal, or nor this world. He has no intimate except Allah (SWT), nor any speech, gesture or breath except by Allah (SWT), with Allah (SWT), and from Allah (SWT), for he frequents the garden of His sanctity and is enriched by His subtlest favors to him. Gnosis is a root whose branch is belief."

-Imam Jafer Sadiq ( as )/ Misbah ash-Shariah, Section 23

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Mysticism is the practical side of Gnosism .

Gnosism is the theoritical side of Mysticism .

Gnosism has its own roots from hellenic greece .

What you're talking about is Irfan of AhlulBayt (pbuh) , which is a different thing from gnosism . Irfan of AhlulBayt (pbuh) is based on the revelations and sayings of the infallibles (pbuh) rather than the rationalism of neo-platonists .

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Mysticism is the practical side of Gnosism .

Gnosism is the theoritical side of Mysticism .

Gnosism has its own roots from hellenic greece .

What you're talking about is Irfan of AhlulBayt (pbuh) , which is a different thing from gnosism . Irfan of AhlulBayt (pbuh) is based on the revelations and sayings of the infallibles (pbuh) rather than the rationalism of neo-platonists .

(bismillah)

(salam)

Ok Brother, so your not really against Irfan which is good Alhumdulilah :) Your just against the Gnosism which has its roots in Greece and has made its way into Islam. I understand better now.

(salam)

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Growing popularity of Sufism in Iran

Roxana Saberi

BBC News Tehran

The lights are dimmed in a home in northern Tehran. The men, women and teenagers gathered in the large living room close their eyes and rock back and forth to the beat of live music.

As the tambourine and drums beat louder and faster, some members of the group climb to their feet. They begin to swirl slowly in circles and raise their hands to the ceiling. A few fall into trances.

"You can somehow touch relaxation," says 22-year-old Mahsa, who believes that music and dance can provide a direct route to Allah.

"It's a very good sensation, and you think your soul is flying, that somehow you're not in your body."

These Iranians consider themselves Shia Muslims, as do most Iranians, and look to the first Shia Imam, Ali, as a spiritual guide.

But they also call themselves Sufis.

Sufis believe that at the core of all religions lies the same truth and that God is the only reality behind all forms of existence.

Continue to read:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4907406.stm

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This is pseudo sufism.

There is no sufism without the sharia of Allah SWT.

Sufis believe that at the core of all religions lies the same truth and that God is the only reality behind all forms of existence.

WHAT RUBBISH IS THAT!

Pseudo Sufism

Basically speaking, what we mean by the term pseudo-sufism is an incomplete path. It is an incomplete teaching which is not enough to guide the seeker all the way along the spiritual path which leads to self-knowledge and gnosis of God. Every religion and prophet, whether genuine or false, advocates moral virtues such as generosity, goodness, kindness, love and so on. However these qualities cannot take root and grow without being protected by a 'container' of outer laws (Sharia) and beneficial behavior. We find that every society or culture advocates its version of what is considered good and virtuous, but these qualities cannot develop and bear fruit unless they are protected and guarded by the outer bounds of laws which enable them to be nourished and to grow continuously and purposefully. More specifically, as regards the spiritual path and the teacher and the taught, we find that the pseudo-sufi teachers do not possess all the attributes of a true spiritual master, which have already been mentioned, especially the express permission to teach and guide others on the path of self-knowledge, given by another enlightened and experienced teacher who himself has been given permission to teach, and so on, back to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Another form of pseudo-sufism , which has become active and popular in our times, is indulgence in intellectual pleasure through the study of Sufi literature and Sufi Orders. During the last 150 years, much research into Sufism has been undertaken, both in the West and in the East, by orientalists and Muslims alike. This is like compiling menus on Sufism rather than actually partaking in the feast. They discuss and analyze which Sufi menu, that is which Sufi Order, seems to be better, but without tasting any of them. How can you evaluate something which you have not experienced? Intellectual discussion about Sufism cannot lead to inner awakening and enlightenment, because Sufism is a feast which can only be consumed.

In pseudo-sufi movements we find much euphoria and temporary states of excitement which are achieved by utilizing certain practices and techniques. Occasionally they bring about a state of upliftment and delight. However such states are not lasting and are the result of a combination of several variable factors. The true art of Sufism leads the seeker towards the steady state of being contented, integrated, wise, courteous, kindly and at peace. To occasionally feel inner delight and contentment is not difficult to achieve, but in order to reach a station which is lasting, one needs to adhere to the primal way that is intended by the original way of Islam, with its outer laws, code of conduct and integrated way of life. Although inner development is possible to a certain degree without following the outer laws, if a person wishes to develop himself fully, then he has to participate in the Islamic Law and way of life fully.

The outer practices of the Sufis include varying amounts of prayers, invocations, recitations and supplications. If a Sufi Order developed in a nomadic environment, then we find most of their practices being performed while the caravan is on the move, and with many of the gatherings and circles of remembrance of God occurring at the beginning or the end of the night, because the caravan is stationary at these times. If a Sufi Order became active amidst the people of the bazaar in a city such as Cape Town, for example, or Morocco, then we find a different pattern of practices, in which gatherings tend to take place in the afternoon or early evening or at a time which is convenient for shopkeepers.

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