Prophets (s) Funeral.

[akeelabbas 1]

^^^^

These people defend their Darlings(2 caliphs) by saying that they were very much concerned about the LEADERSHIP of the Islamic Government, hence they were at Saqifa.

So in other words...what these people are trying to say is that Mawlah Ali (as) was NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP OF THE GOVERNMENT, NOR WAS THE HOLY PROPHET CONCERNED....

BIG STORIES!

[Anti_nasibi 0]

I will surely join prophet (pbuh) ,s funeral and i didnt go to the saqifa because i know who is my Imam

[shiadownload 1]

prophets never die - it is the body of humans which are created by Allah for limited.

[SHIA-OF-ALI 3]

Umar (ra) and Abu Bakr (ra) were the most prominent members of the Mujhreen and they rushed to Saqifa to save the Ummah from civil war!

So they (abu bakr and umar) rather prefered tp attend the saqifa rather than the blessed funeral of the master of all the prophets (pbuh). As for you saying that they wanted to stop a civil war occuring, well everything was explained to the ummah many many times as to who would be the leader of the ummah.

[akeelabbas 1]

...

That is all I have to offer. I do not care if you disagree.

Jazakallah for your time.

THIS IS SOMETHING STRANGE BROTHER KIN HAN...

I was about to answer you...But..then I read something very strange... :o

I do not care if you disagree.

ARE YOU AMONGST THE IGNORANT ?

WE SPEAK...YOU ALSO SPEAK...

WE READ YOUR ENTIRE POST...

BUT YOU REFUSE TO EVEN CARE OF WHAT WE WILL WRITE ????

I DID NOT EXPECT THIS FROM YOU BROTHER!! :dry:

Again...

I do not care if you disagree.

What is that ????????????

How can you say that while you are here...???? :o

[Lover of Ali (AS) 0]

(salam)

(bismillah)

PLease, do not make any claims Sunnis, that you do not provide proof for. Could you please provide evidence, ASAP?? :unsure:

Wasalaam

[kipi 3]

[shakir 3:144] And Muhammad is no more than a messenger; the messengers have already passed away before him; if then he dies or is killed will you turn back upon your heels? And whoever turns back upon his heels, he will by no means do harm to Allah in the least and Allah will reward the grateful.

[Yusufali 3:144] Muhammad is no more than a messenger: many Were the messenger that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah; but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

[Pickthal 3:144] Muhammad is but a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) have passed away before him. Will it be that, when he dieth or is slain, ye will turn back on your heels? He who turneth back on his heels doth no hurt to Allah, and Allah will reward the thankful.

Question: To whom was this verse addressed? (Sunnis only need reply. Thank you.)

Edited May 8, 2006 by kipi

[Mutawahid 0]

First off the "poll" is worded in a way thats leading. The poll starter refers to the saqifa group as a "gang" and does not specify the importance of that gathering. Furthermore, he implies that the Prophet was actually being buried at that point, which was not true,..his body was being prepared.

It could have been worded like this:

WHats more important

a) Being present while the Prophet s body is being washed by some companions.

or

b ...going to Saqifa to avert a decision that would have permanent effects on the Muslim ummah and the way it is run.

In which case i'd go with B.

:lol:

Go look at a map... they failed, miserably.

[shez 0]

THIS IS SOMETHING STRANGE BROTHER KIN HAN...

I was about to answer you...But..then I read something very strange... :o

ARE YOU AMONGST THE IGNORANT ?

WE SPEAK...YOU ALSO SPEAK...

WE READ YOUR ENTIRE POST...

BUT YOU REFUSE TO EVEN CARE OF WHAT WE WILL WRITE ????

I DID NOT EXPECT THIS FROM YOU BROTHER!! :dry:

Again...

What is that ????????????

How can you say that while you are here...???? :o

because he knows that whatever he says you willnot listen and accuse the first two caliphs of doing bad things??

akwa, saqifa didn't AVERT that, it CREATED IT.

Jam, fact is, these were allegedly the best friends of the Prophet (pbuh)&HP. they should've been MOURNING/GRIEVING, not running off to secure political power for themselves.

actually When Prophet (pbuh) died, Umer (as) was so grieved that he wouldnt let anyone mention the fact that Prophet (pbuh) had died...

let's face facts, Prophet (pbuh)&HP wasn't even buried yet, and some prominent people went right back to the ways of the jahil with the tribal stuff :dry: you know, the type of thing that Islam does away with

whats with "prominent people" seriously.. dont be so jealous..

what i dont get is why shias are so hell bent on declaring teh first two caliphs as bad.. if they were bad are you saying that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) would let Abu Bakr (sal) near him all his life? NO... Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) knows the future events and HE (pbuh) knew Abu Bakr was sincere so HE (pbuh) didnt do anything....

Second of all: you have to look at the bigger picture.. i cannot imagine how bad they must have felt when they were taken out of the burial procedures... and as have been said Since Ali (sal) was a relative and they DIDNT KNOW they were going to become a caliph they didnt invite Ali (this fact some of you have forgotten conveniently ;)). If I was in their shoes i would probably do the same...

third of all: re-pen and paper, again Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) would have known that was going to happen, so He (pbuh) would have said right before he (pbuh) was about to die about that important thing HE (pbuh) needed to write down...

fourth of all: if shias so much love Ali (sal) then tell us how and WHY they conspired to kill His (sal) sons?

Stop with this already, please... whole of the world is laughing at us.. and we are also not becoming ONE.. do you know the end signs? there will be 72 sects of Muslims, Muslims will fight amongst themselves.... You know what i would have been sad that Ali (sal) didnt become the next caliph but thats in the past now.. by doing this you are criticising, lowering the level of Abu Bakr (sal) and Ali (sal) WHO were both a really good muslims and followers.. was it NOT Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) who asked God to make either Umar (sal) or abu jahl a muslim?

[kipi 3]

(salam)

because he knows that whatever he says you willnot listen and accuse the first two caliphs of doing bad things??

Sorry to say but you too have joined the queue of those who read less and write more

actually When Prophet (pbuh) died, Umer (as) was so grieved that he wouldnt let anyone mention the fact that Prophet (pbuh) had died...

What I gain from reading your books is that he wanted things to be under (his) reins by the time the companions came out of shock. I'll say his tactic was successful, wasn't it?

whats with "prominent people" seriously.. dont be so jealous.. [/unquote]

According to you they were prominent,weren't they? Jealous? Goodness gracious no!

what i dont get is why shias are so hell bent on declaring teh first two caliphs as bad.. if they were bad are you saying that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) would let Abu Bakr (sal) near him all his life? NO... Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) knows the future events and HE (pbuh) knew Abu Bakr was sincere so HE (pbuh) didnt do anything....

He(s) had indicated to these prominent :angel: companions many atimes. Read your Bukhari.

Second of all: you have to look at the bigger picture.. i cannot imagine how bad they must have felt when they were taken out of the burial procedures... and as have been said Since Ali (sal) was a relative and they DIDNT KNOW they were going to become a caliph they didnt invite Ali (this fact some of you have forgotten conveniently ;)). If I was in their shoes i would probably do the same...

What about their behaviour towards the daughter(a) of the deceased(s) and towards other participants of the funeral? Didn't they bang the door of grieving Ahlulbayt(a) and (according to your books, at least, threatened to) break and burn the door down?

third of all: re-pen and paper, again Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) would have known that was going to happen, so He (pbuh) would have said right before he (pbuh) was about to die about that important thing HE (pbuh) needed to write down...

The prophet (s) did many atimes. Remember khandak, khayber, ghadeer etc. The prophet (s) asked for pen and paper, seeking a last chance to save these "prominent companions" as well as innocent sahabas from Allah's wrath.

fourth of all: if shias so much love Ali (sal) then tell us how and WHY they conspired to kill His (sal) sons?

Your ensuing Umayyad caliphs were installed by your shaykhs & yazid(la0 was a Sunni (Even my Sunni brothers send lanat to yazid(la) and some to muawiya(la) too)

Stop with this already, please... whole of the world is laughing at us..

But I am crying after reading your sahihs. Some of the stories there are not short of pornography or tales from 1001 nights :cry:

and we are also not becoming ONE..

really very sad :(

do you know the end signs? there will be 72 sects of Muslims, Muslims will fight amongst themselves....

This literally started at saqifa then jamal then siffin then kerbala

You know what i would have been sad that Ali (sal) didnt become the next caliph but thats in the past now..

Ali(a) IS our first Imam

by doing this you are criticising, lowering the level of Abu Bakr (sal) and Ali (sal) WHO were both a really good muslims and followers..

Oil and water do not mix

was it NOT Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) who asked God to make either Umar (sal) or abu jahl a muslim?

why there is an "OR" there instead of an "AND'. If you have quoted this from your hadith, it indicates that Umar and AbuJahl were under the same category.:dry:

[shez 0]

(salam)

Sorry to say but you too have joined the queue of those who read less and write more

What I gain from reading your books is that he wanted things to be under (his) reins by the time the companions came out of shock. I'll say his tactic was successful, wasn't it?

He(s) had indicated to these prominent :angel: companions many atimes. Read your Bukhari.

erm i have read several threads before "jumping" in...

What about their behaviour towards the daughter(a) of the deceased(s) and towards other participants of the funeral? Didn't they bang the door of grieving Ahlulbayt(a) and (according to your books, at least, threatened to) break and burn the door down?

havent heard of this before...

The prophet (s) did many atimes. Remember khandak, khayber, ghadeer etc. The prophet (s) asked for pen and paper, seeking a last chance to save these "prominent companions" as well as innocent sahabas from Allah's wrath.

Your ensuing Umayyad caliphs were installed by your shaykhs & yazid(la0 was a Sunni (Even my Sunni brothers send lanat to yazid(la) and some to muawiya(la) too)

But I am crying after reading your sahihs. Some of the stories there are not short of pornography or tales from 1001 nights :cry:

what are you talking about? i didnt even understand you last 3/4lines..

really very sad :(

This literally started at saqifa then jamal then siffin then kerbala

ok so you know this started, but why dont we end it? its not too late you know.. by doing all this you have just read what i wrote about creating sects etc and ignored it.. if you Love Allah and are fearful of Him then you know He hates people who create sects.. and we are just doing that.. stop it already.. May Allah help us ...

Ali(a) IS our first Imam

Oil and water do not mix

why there is an "OR" there instead of an "AND'. If you have quoted this from your hadith, it indicates that Umar and AbuJahl were under the same category.:dry:

No it indicates that Umer (sal) and Abujahl were so powerful and strong that Prophet (pbuh) made a dua saying to make either of these a muslim, because doing so would greatly help muslims at the time.

[Jarh 0]

If After the revelation of the verse "Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you" (5 :3) people run to elect a successor of the Apostle of Allah and not stay for the funeral preparations this not only shows Avarice on their part but also complete lack of faith in the word of Allah.

If the religion cannot withstand the death of the Prophet and there arises fear of deviation then The prophet MUSN'T have done a very good job in conveying the word of God (Na Audhu Billah)

And surely Allah Knows Best

(salam)

[Aliya 21]

shez, I would suggest reading threads on the topics Kipi brought up that you don't seem to know what's being referred to. There's PLENTY of threads on them here, should keep you busy reading awhile. I sort of wonder what reading you've been doing here, that you happened to miss those (particularly on Bibi Fatima's (as) death, and also on Ghadeer and the pen and paper incident)

Prophet (pbuh) didn't turn away ppl who chose to be in his company, so to say that he (pbuh) chose Abu Bakr, etc. is incorrect. It is not for a prophet to choose who benefits from his teachings, but the choice of the ppl to follow of their own accord. Also, as kipi pointed out, why didn't (if the hadith were true) Prophet (pbuh) pray for BOTH ppl to become Muslim, it would doubly strengthen Islam (by the logic of the hadith), why only pray for one OR the other?

And before talking about dividing into sects, one should be aware of who split from whom. The majority of Muslims (i.e the TRUE muslims, not hypocrites) were shia during the life of the Prophet (pbuh) (shia means followers. so true muslims were shias of Muhammad (pbuh)) after the death of the Prophet (pbuh), majority later took sides against Ali (as) (and subsequent imams (as)) which led to the divisions in the ummah. It was the followers of muawiya (LA) that were first known by the term "ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah", as a way to differentiate them from the shia of Ali (as). Also, who we take the sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) from separates us. Shias take the sunnah from our Imams (as) (who knew best, and never strayed from the sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) who are from Ahlul Bayt (as) while non-shias take the sunnah from any number of companions (and also believe that the "sunnah" of the "rightly guided caliphs" is valid to follow, even if it differs from that of the Prophet (pbuh) (for examples see Umar's innovations on the two muta's and triple talaq, etc.), some who are downright unreliable (Abu Hurayra springs to mind), (Important to note that in several hadith Prophet (pbuh) says Qur'an and his Ahlul Bayt (as) will not separate. Even if we accept the narrations that say sunnah and Qur'an, Ahlul Bayt (as) is in the BEST position to know the Prophet's (pbuh) sunnah, which would explain why there is so few differences in shia form of prayer, etc. while the non-shias differ on many of these things (they deem these differences unimportant (like position of hands in prayer, etc.) and the variances as VALID (implying that the Prophet (pbuh) was not consistant in form, astaghfirullah).

Anyway, these posts are WAY off topic, but I had to respond and clarify.

Edited June 26, 2006 by Aliya

[abdullah218 1]

shaytan was present at saqifa

these two incidents could not even be compared YA Allah what was Umar and Abu Bakr thinking?

[Link 4]

If After the revelation of the verse "Today I have perfected your religion and completed my favour upon you" (5 :3) people run to elect a successor of the Apostle of Allah and not stay for the funeral preparations this not only shows Avarice on their part but also complete lack of faith in the word of Allah.

If the religion cannot withstand the death of the Prophet and there arises fear of deviation then The prophet MUSN'T have done a very good job in conveying the word of God (Na Audhu Billah)

And surely Allah Knows Best

(salam)

(salam)

ahsant, this verse is enough proof that everything the community needed was conveyed by the Rasool (pbuh), how can the issue of leadership and government not have been explained like Salat, Zakat, etc were all explained?

[shunni 1]

First off the "poll" is worded in a way thats leading. The poll starter refers to the saqifa group as a "gang" and does not specify the importance of that gathering. Furthermore, he implies that the Prophet (pbuh) was actually being buried at that point, which was not true,..his body was being prepared.

It could have been worded like this:

WHats more important

a) Being present while the Prophet s (pbuh) body is being washed by some companions.

or

b ...going to Saqifa to avert a decision that would have permanent effects on the Muslim ummah and the way it is run.

In which case i'd go with B.

:D you'r right the wording of the poll is leading, but then so is yours :D

[Lover of Ali (AS) 0]

Salaams,

Agreed. First let me comment, if all the sahaba were just and rightly guided, why would "CIVIL WAR" be on the verge of the Muslim Ummah??

Wasalaam

[shunni 1]

I have another question for you br Akwa

you seem to agree that leaving the prophet body while being prepared is not the decent thing to do. You dont thing Umar or Abu baker would do such a thing. That is fine. Obviously whoever was at Saquifa at that time was not doing the decent thing, so my question is : Why Umar, anf he is who he is, did not try to stop this sherade or scold those people at least ?

thanks

[umar_khan 0]

(salam)

i dont understand the purpose of this question.

first, you cant say for sure who were involved in the burial of the prophet (pbuh).

just because ali (ra) was involved in the burial of the prophet (pbuh) didnt mean that he was usurped by abu bakr (ra) . the two incidents were not linked nor had any bearing on each other.

abu bakr (ra) was always going to become the caliph after the prophet (pbuh) made him the imam which was a clear approval by the prophet (pbuh).

ali (ra) wasnt usurped because he was busy burying the prophet (pbuh)

[zensky 0]

(salam)

i dont understand the purpose of this question.

first, you cant say for sure who were involved in the burial of the prophet (pbuh).

just because ali (ra) was involved in the burial of the prophet (pbuh) didnt mean that he was usurped by abu bakr (ra) . the two incidents were not linked nor had any bearing on each other.

abu bakr (ra) was always going to become the caliph after the prophet (pbuh) made him the imam which was a clear approval by the prophet (pbuh).

ali (ra) wasnt usurped because he was busy burying the prophet (pbuh)

Umar,

When (and IF) the Prophet (pbuh) made Abu Bakr the imam, did he come and tell you that it meant that Abu Bakr should be made caliph?

If not, stop making assumptions!

[umar_khan 0]

Umar,

When (and IF) the Prophet (pbuh) made Abu Bakr the imam, did he come and tell you that it meant that Abu Bakr should be made caliph?

If not, stop making assumptions!

no because its common sense. the most pious man in the room is the imam.

at that time it was abu bakr (ra) ahead of umar (ra) usman (ra) and ali (ra)

[EEman 0]

(bismillah)

Allah o Akbar. Allah is the Greatest

Ya Allah Madad

A logic less Question! only designed to humiliate Muslims

Answer these Questions Very Briefly

1. How many people Were Muslims at the time of death of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W.?

2. where did he died?

3. how many people can remain there?

4. Does the death of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. meant that now everyone should stop doing their routine work?

5. what is the position of a nation without a leader?

6. how many people can see the body of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. at a single moment?

7. Did the orders of Salaat(prayers or namaz) were ceased or Muslims were required to offer salaat?

7. a. Did Muslims stopped offering Salaat ba Jamaat (grouped Prayers) in Masjid Nabwi?

7. b. Was Any Muslim assumpted(not required) to offer the Salaat ba Jamaat (grouped Prayers)?

8. Isn't it the right of every Muslim of the nearby localities of Madina to see the last Sight of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W.?

9. when was Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. was burried? and after how many days?

May Allah guide us all and keep us on the path of those people whom He blessed and loved. Aameen

[Zafaryab 0]

(salam)

no because its common sense. the most pious man in the room is the imam.

at that time it was abu bakr (ra) ahead of umar (ra) usman (ra) and ali (ra)

The most pious man would be loved by Allah(swt) and the Prophet(saww) and he would love them back.. recall the haidth of Khaiber.. the Prophet(saww) said this about Hadrat Ali(as) and chose him before Abu bakr/umar/usman... secondly.. its not only piousness.. but both knowledge and bravery as well which play a vital role in the choice of a leader.. wassalaamun alaikum

[zensky 0]

no because its common sense. the most pious man in the room is the imam.

at that time it was abu bakr (ra) ahead of umar (ra) usman (ra) and ali (ra)

Thats not "common" sense, its "sunni" sense.

Do you seriously think that people who worshipped idols for a lifetime, and tortured the new converts to Islam could be more pious than the man who never bowed to an idol, who was raised by the Prophet and who was the first to support him in his mission?

[umar_khan 0]

Thats not "common" sense, its "sunni" sense.

Do you seriously think that people who worshipped idols for a lifetime, and tortured the new converts to Islam could be more pious than the man who never bowed to an idol, who was raised by the Prophet and who was the first to support him in his mission?

its not what i think, its what the prophet (pbuh) thought.hence they are buried next to him and shall be until the day of judgement

[Firoz Ali 0]

Salaam Alaiqum,

Yaa Ali madad

The Holy Prophet SAWW never ever told that these two shud be burried next to him

Allah Hafiz

Yaa Ali Madad

Hussainyet Zindabad

Yazeediyet + lanati father muawiya murdabad

Firoz Ali

[Zafaryab 0]

(salam)

its not what i think, its what the prophet (pbuh) thought.hence they are buried next to him and shall be until the day of judgement

Don't you think its weird that they didn't choose to be buried close to the ka3ba but close to the Prophet(saww)?.. what were they thinking.. they loved a representative of Allah(swt) more than they loved Allah(swt).. and then they say that don't go near the Prophet(saww)'s grave because of love for him.. talk about hypocrisy.. wassalaamun alaikum

[umar_khan 0]

(salam)

Don't you think its weird that they didn't choose to be buried close to the ka3ba but close to the Prophet(saww)?.. what were they thinking.. they loved a representative of Allah(swt) more than they loved Allah(swt).. and then they say that don't go near the Prophet(saww)'s grave because of love for him.. talk about hypocrisy.. wassalaamun alaikum

no because they were buried where they died in other words in madinah. to love the prophet (pbuh) is to love Allah swt. there is no contaradiction in this (unless if you are not a muslim).

i just think you cant accept the truth, you shouldnt let your hatred cloud your thinking because this post is just childish.

[Aliya 21]

^ it wasn't Prophet (pbuh) who asked for or allowed them to be buried next to him, it was Aisha... Abu Bakr's daughter. coincidence???

and how come the sunnis have hadith that state if there would've been a prophet after Muhammad (pbuh) that it would've been, NOT Abu bakr, but Umar.... and yet they claim the best person after the Prophet (pbuh) was NOT Umar but Abu Bakr....

[umar_khan 0]

^ it wasn't Prophet (pbuh) who asked for or allowed them to be buried next to him, it was Aisha... Abu Bakr's daughter. coincidence???

and how come the sunnis have hadith that state if there would've been a prophet after Muhammad (pbuh) that it would've been, NOT Abu bakr, but Umar.... and yet they claim the best person after the Prophet (pbuh) was NOT Umar but Abu Bakr....

like i said before its not an "either" nor an "or". its both

for example the prophet (pbuh) said

abu bakr (ra) will be the first of my ummah to enter jannah.

if there was a prophet after me it surely would have been umar (ra)

usman (ra) resembles me the closest in his character

ali (ra) of me and i of him.

the fazeelah of one sahabi does take anything away from the fazeelah of annother sahaabi.they all had different strengths and was acknowledged by the prophet (pbuh).

i dont know why the shia cant comprehend this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Aliya 21]

^ why does no sunni see how illogical that is? According to what you guys say, Prophet (pbuh) was prone to exaggeration to the point that it means nothing special in the end for the people praised, naudobillah. Shias say, in response to this exaggeration that it's what happens when hadith are fabricated to elevate the status of those lower to try to equate them with those who truly held higher status based on the things that we are TRULY judged upon, which is piety and submission to Allah (SWT), and none after the prophet (pbuh) were higher in those regards than Ahlul Bayt (as), which the sunni caliphs could never hope to be equal to, let alone higher than.

As pointed out, it's ridiculous to think that those who were idolators, and who sinned and erred often, or even apostated, could be equal to those who NEVER did those things. Qur'an (Which contrary to non-shia beliefs is NOT overruled by hadith) states that good and evil are NOT equal (let alone that bad would be superior to good). Why is that such a hard concept for the majority to grasp?

[umar_khan 0]

^ why does no sunni see how illogical that is? According to what you guys say, Prophet (pbuh) was prone to exaggeration to the point that it means nothing special in the end for the people praised, naudobillah. Shias say, in response to this exaggeration that it's what happens when hadith are fabricated to elevate the status of those lower to try to equate them with those who truly held higher status based on the things that we are TRULY judged upon, which is piety and submission to Allah (SWT), and none after the prophet (pbuh) were higher in those regards than Ahlul Bayt (as), which the sunni caliphs could never hope to be equal to, let alone higher than.

As pointed out, it's ridiculous to think that those who were idolators, and who sinned and erred often, or even apostated, could be equal to those who NEVER did those things. Qur'an (Which contrary to non-shia beliefs is NOT overruled by hadith) states that good and evil are NOT equal (let alone that bad would be superior to good). Why is that such a hard concept for the majority to grasp?

the prophet (pbuh) didnt exagerate-thats your view.your accusations in your second paragraph cannot be directed at the sahabah. again i find it amusing the the shia are "following" the quran. on this website there is a topic saying the shia dont believe that parts of the quran is missing or in the wrong order. whereas every shia that i have met claim the quran is in the wrong order and a third is missing and even quoted from their hadith to support this claim. MAKE YOUR MINDS UP

[Aliya 21]

oh, nice attempt to divert the topic. IF you want to know the official shia view on protection of Qur'an, there's a nice topic in the pinned section of this forum. But to clarify

1. Shias (and sunnis) acknowledge that the Qur'an is not in order of revelation, that's common knowledge anyone who says otherwise is ignorant of the order of revelation, even of the verses revealed in makkah and in madina. But that is not to say it's in the WRONG order, as shias believe that the Qur'an was compiled into book form during the lifetime of the Prophet (pbuh) so....

2. it is sunnis who have hadith concerning missing verses on stoning, missing suras (longer than sura Baqara) and pages being eaten by Aisha's goat. Shias believe Qur'an is protected by Allah (SWT) and it is neither missing nor been added to.

3. IF there are hadith to the contrary, shias do not claim our hadith collections to be 100% sahih, so pulling out hadith without knowledge of its rank on the sahih to da'eef scale is not wise, and can lead to this sort of misrepresentation.

Now back on topic, it's the sunni hadith collections that have the contradictory hadiths in reference to the "sahaba", some of whom did very bad things before and after their conversion to Islam. To say that the man who ran away from battles numerous times deserting the Prophet (pbuh), that at the very least threatened the daughter of Prophet (pbuh), and that made rulings contradicting Qur'an and sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) (including having his own son beaten to death for accidentally drinking alcohol AFTER the son had VOLUNTEERED to the punishment prescribed by shariah) would've been the next prophet is impossible for ANYONE with the least bit of thinking ability.

Edited September 3, 2006 by Aliya

[umar_khan 0]

Now back on topic, it's the sunni hadith collections that have the contradictory hadiths in reference to the "sahaba", some of whom did very bad things before and after their conversion to Islam. To say that the man who ran away from battles numerous times deserting the Prophet (pbuh), that at the very least threatened the daughter of Prophet (pbuh), and that made rulings contradicting Qur'an and sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) (including having his own son beaten to death for accidentally drinking alcohol AFTER the son had VOLUNTEERED to the punishment prescribed by shariah) would've been the next prophet is impossible for ANYONE with the least bit of thinking ability.

sme sahabah like umar (ra) and abu sufyan did do bad things before they were muslims. BUT THAT WAS BEFORE THEY WERE MUSLIMS. all the rest of your post is just another rant against umar (ra). may Allah guide you to the truth.

the prophet (pbuh) was happy with umar (ra) which disproves all your venom.

i honestly did not realise the intensity of shia hatred for the sahabah, the beloved companions of the prophet (pbuh). all you have done everytime we have dicussed is assasinate the honurable, dignified characters of the sahabah.

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(bismillah)

Allah o Akbar. Allah is the Greatest

Ya Allah Madad

This was what I asked in post # 57

A logic less Question! only designed to humiliate Muslims

Answer these Questions Very Briefly

1. How many people Were Muslims at the time of death of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W.?

2. where did he died?

3. how many people can remain there?

4. Does the death of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. meant that now everyone should stop doing their routine work?

5. what is the position of a nation without a leader?

6. how many people can see the body of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. at a single moment?

7. Did the orders of Salaat(prayers or namaz) were ceased or Muslims were required to offer salaat?

7. a. Did Muslims stopped offering Salaat ba Jamaat (grouped Prayers) in Masjid Nabwi?

7. b. Was Any Muslim assumpted(not required) to offer the Salaat ba Jamaat (grouped Prayers)?

8. Isn't it the right of every Muslim of the nearby localities of Madina to see the last Sight of Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W.?

9. when was Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W. was burried? and after how many days?

and no one bothered even to pay a deaf ear :(

May Allah guide us all and keep us on the path of those people whom He blessed and loved. Aameen