Aisha

[Gypsy]

(bismillah)

(salam)

There is this 3 volume book called "The role of Aisha in the history of Islam"

You can read it here:http://www.dartabligh.org/books/ebooks/history.asp

(salam)

This is an excelent book. Its about 460 pages. It has detailed information about Ayesha and her "contribution". It also includes other sahabas and approaches taken by the Ahlul Bayt.

[amoha]

We love Khadija (ra)Fatima (ra)Ali (ra) al Hassan(ra) al Hussain (ra) ...

yup... agreed that you do love them... like a step relatives!

[RayRay]

(salam)

Yes, it is stated in the quran but again that is in relation to them being like ur mothers....

Your prophet has a greater right over you then you have over yourselves and the wifes are like your mothers...... (i belive thats how it goes)

and like you stated, that just means that it is forbidden to marry them after they have married the prophet.... they become like your mothers... it doesn't mean that they are purified to the high status... just means u cant marry them.

and the way we answer that from the quran is that remember that the quran states that your prophet is not your father among the people but he is just your prophet.

so if Aisha and the other wives are our mothers, then the prophet should be our father.... but the quran says no.. the prophet is not ur father..

hope that helps

wasalam

(salam)

Jazzakallah Kheir Bro/Sis for your efforts at explaining this to me, but I am still confused. Can you, if possible, please further clarify what is meant by referring to the Prophet (pbuh) Wives as 'Mother of Believers'?

Also, another question, in the Holy Koran, it is stated that for the wives of the Prophet (pbuh) there is a 'honourable provision', meaning they will be 'forgiven'. What is Shia Islam's view on this? (I am Shia too Alhumdulilah, so I am not attacking anyone's beliefs here, just slightly confused).

Wassallam.

The main reason is that she was the subject of Horrible injustice from our shia bro&sist.

If Khadija (ra) was the subject of similar injustice she would have been the center of all

the defensive efforts coz ALL the wives of the prophets have special status.

We love Khadija (ra)Fatima (ra)Ali (ra) al Hassan(ra) al Hussain (ra) and WHOEVER dont love them has serious problems in his belief though he may be saying a shahada, praying....

Assalamu Alaykam,

Whatever injustices Sunni's believe Shia hold towards Ayesha are perfectly justified by her well-documented actions.

In the Holy Koran she (and Hafsa) are warned of their behaviour by Allah (swt) after the two tricked Rasool Muhammad (pbuh) into thinking he had bad breath.

The war she waged on Imam Ali (a.s), disallowing Imam Hassan (a.s) to be buried near his beloved grandfather (pbuh), the jealousy and spite she had towards Fatima (a.s) and Khadija (may Allah be pleased with her).

None of the other wives acted in the manner Ayesha did, hence why we, the Shia do not reject any of them, just a question though, of all the wives of Rasool Muhammad (pbuh), why do Sunni's hold Ayesha above all the others? Is it because Abu Bakr is her father? Is it because she 'defended' Othman's murder? Why all this hoo-haa over Ayesha?

Wassallam.

[SpIzo]

This is not silencing ayesha; its like saying to someone who was born blind, hey God has created you blind so that you cant see his bounties. Thats not the character of the prophet you and I believe in. He (pbh) cant ''insult'' someone with what Allah has chosen for that person, cause he (pbuh) is the first to know that all this is the creation of Allah.

If the Prophet could curse someone with the intention that the cursed one is being blessed by Allah [swt]; then why can't he reprimand Ayesha with those words?

And I do NOT find it surprising that you've conveniently diverted and put the blame on the Prophet when the fault is with Ayesha. Is it okay for the 'wife of the Prophet ' to behave in that manner; to taunt the Prophet's daughter?

None of the other wives acted in the manner Ayesha did, hence why we, the Shia do not reject any of them, just a question though..

How do we 'reject' her?

[RayRay]

How do we 'reject' her?

Assalamu Alaykam,

'Reject' is probably the wrong word, rather we do not elevate her status.

Insha'Allah that clarifies things.

Wassallam.

[Oranje]

Assalamu Alaykam,

'Reject' is probably the wrong word, rather we do not elevate her status.

Insha'Allah that clarifies things.

Wassallam.

now you were correct the first time we do reject aisha

[Rawshni]

^

Is that woman in any way relevant to being a good muslim?

[Oranje]

^

Is that woman in any way relevant to being a good muslim?

of course if you follow her, then you not a muslim at all

[ace51214]

^

^^

Yup agree,thats the role model for how to be a bad muslim.

As with all the people the sunnis elevate, she is one of the foremost in animosity and enmity towards the ahlulbayt(as).

We doreject Aisha(la) as a role model, a good muslim, as a beleiver, as someone with good morals and behaviour, as someone who loved the ahl ul bayt(as).

We do not reject that she is the wife of the prophet(saww) but she hasnt set a good example.

[Rawshni]

of course if you follow her, then you not a muslim at all

Why would any muslim follow her?

[Sadiq (as)]

of course if you follow her, then you not a muslim at all

this thread is so disguisting ......Ayesha was the number 1 munafiq......not only did she wage a war against the Lion Of Allah (as), but she was also cursed time and time again by Imam Ali (as) in dua sanam e quraish

[amoha]

Why would any muslim follow her?

well, rushdi did!

[CatStevens]

Note from Mod: That was inappropriate. Member's warned

Edited July 24, 2006 by Zareen

[god_has_99_names]

the last two posts were completely Idiotic for the exact same reason. It can be summed up in one response:

Ayatollah Khomeini Issued his death sentence against Rushdi in a big part because he insinuated in his book that Aisha HAD cheated on Muhammed (pbuh) . So here we have a Shia doing something in her Defence, the Idea being that wehile she can be taken to task for what bad things she DID indeed do, she is still a woman and the Rules of Islam, (like not making false accusations on their chastity) still apply in her case. Even if we think she was not a good Muslim, WE ARE, and so must act like it.

And its highly inappropriate to post stuff about people getting Orgasms on a public forum accessable by people of any age, including Children, So I ask that this thread be deleted.

[CatStevens]

and we should curse our mothers?

[god_has_99_names]

From what I understand, the title "mother of the Believers" is usually only bestowed on Khadija and Fatima, may Allah bless them. as for Aisha, faithfully retelling of the Bad things she did is not cursing her, and thats as far as I'll go. If saying she sinned by waging War on Amir Ul Mumineen, well then, Dont complain to me, She's the one who waged the War.

as Sunnis, I am SURE you are familiar with Sahih Bukhari. do you know that of the 400 and something hadiths available which are attributed to Aisha reliably, he only accepted less than 200? whats my point here? YOUR greatest Hadith Scholar only found less than half of what she said to be reliable or the truth, ergo he believed she lied 50% of the time. So maybe complain that Bukhari cursed "hazrata" Aisha (astaghferallah).

[Yahya2004]

After speaking to reliable scholars I have come to the conclusion that I believe, there is nothing wrong with cursing Aisha and this is why:

Imam Ali (as) himself condemned her and Hafash in du'a sanmai

al-quraysh, when he says "Oh Allah, curse these two

with such a curse that the people of hellfire flee

from it."

[CatStevens]

as Sunnis, I am SURE you are familiar with Sahih Bukhari. do you know that of the 400 and something hadiths available which are attributed to Aisha reliably, he only accepted less than 200? whats my point here? YOUR greatest Hadith Scholar only found less than half of what she said to be reliable or the truth, ergo he believed she lied 50% of the time. So maybe complain that Bukhari cursed "hazrata" Aisha (astaghferallah).

u do realise that bukhari did not hear any the hadith directly from Aisha. It is a possibility that the isnad was weak etc...take everything into consideration befoe starting mindless rantings pleasse.

[god_has_99_names]

Oh I am not talking about weak chain of transmissions here. I prefeced my statement by saying that he rejected half of the statements that could be PROVEN to be correctly transmitted. HE rejected them on the basis that it was Aisha Saying them.

[med]

Oh I am not talking about weak chain of transmissions here. I prefeced my statement by saying that he rejected half of the statements that could be PROVEN to be correctly transmitted. HE rejected them on the basis that it was Aisha Saying them.

some sources about this claim?

Your argument cant be true coz if the chain of transmission is true, then he cant deny it since he is not doing anthing except REPORTING what was said.

[Aashiq e Rasul]

Ayatollah Khomeini Issued his death sentence against Rushdi in a big part because he insinuated in his book that Aisha HAD cheated on Muhammed (pbuh).

(salam)

Can you provide proof for this?

I've been searching, but have yet to find it.

I have however found other shia scholars agreeing with rashdi and his stance.

and we should curse our mothers?

Yes apparently we can :huh:, and its not cursing its disassociating yourself from them. :dry: mazallah

Wasalaam

*edited to correct spelling

Edited July 24, 2006 by Aashiq e Rasul

[god_has_99_names]

(salam)

Can you provide proof for this?

I actually think I saw it on here somewhere. so that might be easiest.

[CatStevens]

^^^^^^^^

just like I saw here that Aisha and Hafsa were prostitutes...(naozobillah)

I am sure u believd that too.

[god_has_99_names]

really, you are SURE I believed that? even after you read my rant on here about people critizizing Umar with anything other than facts? even after you read my whole Blog on how lying about a sinner makes you a worse sinner?

What? you didnt read those? huh I guess you dont know much about me at all, so shut the Fuhq up. If you dont know anything what so ever about a person, its pretty presumptious and arrogent to be making statements about them in the negative dont you think.

"so I guess as a sunni you are a big fan of Yazid, and Saddam Husain huh?" yeah thought so.

Edited July 24, 2006 by god_has_99_names

[amoha]

and we should curse our mothers?

be careful! you got warning....lol

[CatStevens]

"so I guess as a sunni you are a big fan of Yazid, and Saddam Husain huh?" yeah thought so.

no i am not :squeez:

be careful! you got warning....lol

haha lol. I agree i shouldnt have used that languauge but i was really pissed off and I apologize. I know what I said was inappropriate and i am extremely sorry.

[god_has_99_names]

what you Dont like Sadaam? what about Bin Laden then, I am SURE you like him right (huh, who do I sound like, oh wait... YOU)

sweeping generalizations suck huh?

[CatStevens]

no it doesnot suck bro....it is amusing. ^_^

[med]

No.

True, but we should refrain from taking names.

Rushdie was an apostate in an Islamic country. He slandered the Prophet in an ISLAMIC country. That warrants death as per shariah.

Hasan Sajjad

President

Imam Ali himself condemned her and Hafash in du'a sanmai

al-quraysh, when he says "Oh Allah, curse these two

with such a curse that the people of hellfire flee

from it."

And you believe Ali (ra) has said this?

Noah (pbuh) made a dua (supplication) asking Allah to save his son. Allah warned him to do such a duaa and Noha (pbuh) repented with fear. Ali would ask Allah to curse a muslim?and in this way?

Better recheck the quality of where you get islamic teaching from (an advice not to offend)

46 He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!"

47 Noah said: "O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee, lest I ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge. And unless thou forgive me and have Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!"

[Aashiq e Rasul]

No.

True, but we should refrain from taking names.

Rushdie was an apostate in an Islamic country. He slandered the Prophet in an ISLAMIC country. That warrants death as per shariah.

Hasan Sajjad

President

(salam),

Yes, but people keep saying that ayatollah khomeini issued the death sentence because of what was said about Aishah (ra).

I have yet to read that it was his main reason for issuing it.

Sadly alot of inet shia's that i've met actually agree with the points he made about aisha (ra) and they include hafsa (ra) as well.

Wasalaam

[god_has_99_names]

I admit that I have no concrete knowladge of whether or not it was the main reason, I can just say I have read that it was A reason.

IT makes sence actually. The Satanic Verses story was not written By Rushdie, it was written about a century earlier by a english poet I believe, and had long since been proven to be physically impossible, mostly because of the description of the surrounding events. the events that supposedly were happing when Gabriel told Muhammed to exclude the verse due to it being from satan, were actually earlier than the events being described when satan supposedly put the Verses In. So this story was really a Mute point among prominent Islamic Scholars by this time.

But yes I think its also important to note (as you did) that the public cursing and slander of her was and is banned, although I thought it was only banned in the form of lies someone may levy against her. faithfully recalling actual facts and events about her is permissible I believe, but again, am not sure.

[amoha]

"so I guess as a sunni you are a big fan of Yazid, and Saddam Husain huh?" yeah thought so.

brother, i have half of my family, sunni, wahabi! but you will be surprised to know that most of them , even they believe that shias are kafir ... they are not the fan of yazid either, its my first hand experience. saddam is a political cartoon from the looney tunes... :P

Edited July 25, 2006 by amoha

[RayRay]

Assalamu Alaykam,

Brothers, Sisters, this thread is very disappointing. The language and accusations that are flying around, calling people who like Ayesha not Muslim, Astighfurallah, this is not how we, the Shia, whom have the Beloved Ahlul-Bayt (a.s) as role models should behave and talk. Make du'a for your Sunni Brothers and Sisters that they are guided onto the straight path Insha'Allah, but saying silly things such as 'whomever Shia's love, Sunni's hate' is very untrue. Sunni's do not hate the Ahlul-Bayt (a.s), no Muslim does, they just do not place on them the status they deserve and we are obligated to give.

Other than that, my main questions and reasons for my confusion have still not been answered.

What does 'Mother of Believers' mean? In the Koran the wives of Rasool Muhammad (pbuh) are referred to as 'Mother of Believers', so what does this mean?

Also, in the Holy Koran, it states that the wives of Rasool Muhammad (saw) have 'an honourable provision', meaning they will be 'forgiven'. What is Shia Islam's view on this?

Wassallam.

[CatStevens]

Change your Dua RayRay

May ALL muslims be guided to the straight path. Ameen

[Yahya2004]

Look I don't see why everyone expects the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)'s wives to have ALL been pious righteous and good women at all times, did not the other Prophets have wives who were known for being bad like the Prophet Lut (as)?