Aisha

[Guest Caelum]

(bismillah)

(salam)

(I am not sure if its here i should post, so moderators forgive my ignorance.)

I would really appreciate it if anyone could provide me some info about Shias view on Aisha.

I know some of the story, but not too well I am afraid.

Would appreciate any help I could get.

(salam)

[Murtada]

(bismillah)

(salam)

(I am not sure if its here i should post, so moderators forgive my ignorance.)

I would really appreciate it if anyone could provide me some info about Shias view on Aisha.

I know some of the story, but not too well I am afraid.

Would appreciate any help I could get.

(salam)

(bismillah)

(salam)

Led a revolt against Imam Ali (as) claiming to get revenge for the murder of Uthman, while during his reign, she said kill that fool. I belive that the battle was called, Battle of the Camel

[Al^Tareeq*Al^Mustaqeem]

Salam,

If you'd like to know everything about the Shia view of Ayesha, then look on this site. http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/ayesha/en/index.php

It has everything you need to know... Inshallah it will be able to help you. :)

Ma'Salama

[Panzerwaffe]

she said that "one finger of uthman is better than whole of Ali and his followers " so you can judge how she felt about Ali

[JawzofDETH]

You forgot to say lost the battle but was allowed to leave in a dignified manner...

A true depiction of Ali (as) character!

[Abdel Hassan]

"Shias view on Aisha."

Shia hate Hazrat Aisha (ra) and love to curse her, just like anyone else who ever disagreed with Hazrat Ali (ra)....

[Guest Caelum]

(salam)

Thanks brothers .. But I knew that already ( I am shia myself)

I needed more info about it. I know about the battle of Camel. But not more than that.

Al tareq al mustaqeem, thanks brother for that link. it helped a lot.

I would appreciate it if there were more links about it, or books i should read.

(salam)

Edited April 8, 2006 by Caelum

[shams]

She was a young child when Abu Bakr wanted to give her in marriage to rasoolillah. Rasoolillah refused 3 times, untill he agreed to take care of her, to save Abu Bakr from further disgrace. In other words, it was not rasoolillah's choice.

[Hazardous Codes]

She was a young child when Abu Bakr wanted to give her in marriage to rasoolillah. Rasoolillah refused 3 times, untill he agreed to take care of her, to save Abu Bakr from further disgrace. In other words, it was not rasoolillah's choice.

^ Please give references along with such claims.

[shams]

^ Please give references along with such claims.

I stop doing that. I realised that people believe in only what they want to. And if you give them a source, a hadeeth, a waqia, or even an ayat from Qu'ran, they'll say it is made up or misinterperated or unauthenitc if it is in discord with their belief, and so they only believe in the sources that they want to believe. So I save myself the trouble.

And for the people that want to know the truth, and the perfect sources that it comes from, they don't wait for other people to hand it them.

So why should I bother?

[Panzerwaffe]

I stop doing that. I realised that people believe in only what they want to. And if you give them a source, a hadeeth, a waqia, or even an ayat from Qu'ran, they'll say it is made up or misinterperated or unauthenitc if it is in discord with their belief, and so they only believe in the sources that they want to believe. So I save myself the trouble.

And for the people that want to know the truth, and the perfect sources that it comes from, they don't wait for other people to hand it them.

So why should I bother?

exactly how i feel brother .....this war of sources is futile

[Panzerwaffe]

"Shias view on Aisha."

Shia hate Hazrat Aisha (ra) and love to curse her, just like anyone else who ever disagreed with Hazrat Ali (ra)....

wrong buddy.....many companions disagreed with Ali but shias dont curse them there is a big diffrence between arguments and waging fullscale war against the rightful caliph which leads to deaths of thousands of sahabis and tabaeen

Here is a concept that works. Khadija was jealous of Ayesha whenever she came to Prophet\\\'s house. That is why Prophet waited for Khatija to pass away to marry Ayesha.

You want a source? Why should i bother?

:D whatever you want to believe

[Panzerwaffe]

who said ali was a rightful caliph? ayesha was. She was the Umm ul momineen and a deserving commanderess of the faithful.

:!!!: oh yes offcourse nasibis the idol worshippers do not regard Ali as the caliph ....sorry I forgot,

[Abdel Hassan]

"many companions disagreed with Ali but shias dont curse"

Can you name a few....?

[Al^Tareeq*Al^Mustaqeem]

(salam)

Thanks brothers .. But I knew that already ( I am shia myself)

I needed more info about it. I know about the battle of Camel. But not more than that.

Al tareq al mustaqeem, thanks brother for that link. it helped a lot.

I would appreciate it if there were more links about it, or books i should read.

(salam)

I'm actually a Sis :S...lol...You're very welcome. I know a site about the Battle of Jamal if you'd like! It's http://www.ezsoftech.com/islamic/jamal.asp ... Inshallah it will help you...

Ma'Salama

[Panzerwaffe]

"many companions disagreed with Ali but shias dont curse"

Can you name a few....?

sa'd ibn abiwaqqas

usama ibn zayed

abdullah ibn umar

Bureida aslami

[sayyeda786]

(bismillah)

(salam)

There is this 3 volume book called "The role of Aisha in the history of Islam"

You can read it here:http://www.dartabligh.org/books/ebooks/history.asp

It will give you the shia view on Aisha.

[AlAwhad]

"Shias view on Aisha."

Shia hate Hazrat Aisha (ra) and love to curse her, just like anyone else who ever disagreed with Hazrat Ali (ra)....

(bismillah)

(salam)

Brother there is a big differance between disagreeing with someone and making war against them.

[Guest Caelum]

I'm actually a Sis :S...lol...You're very welcome. I know a site about the Battle of Jamal if you'd like! It's http://www.ezsoftech.com/islamic/jamal.asp ... Inshallah it will help you...

Ma'Salama

thanks sis, that helps a lot :)

(bismillah)

(salam)

There is this 3 volume book called "The role of Aisha in the history of Islam"

You can read it here:http://www.dartabligh.org/books/ebooks/history.asp

It will give you the shia view on Aisha.

Thanks sister, Jazak Allaho Kheir

(salam)

[Ali Zaki]

"Shias view on Aisha."

Shia hate Hazrat Aisha (ra) and love to curse her, just like anyone else who ever disagreed with Hazrat Ali (ra)....

(salam) Br. Abdel Hassan,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't our Sunni brothers consider a rebellion against the " Caliph al-Rashadoon" as apostacy, and agree (with the Shia) that the punishment for apostacy is death?

[mehdi soldier]

(salam) Br. Abdel Hassan,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't our Sunni brothers consider a rebellion against the " Caliph al-Rashadoon" as apostacy, and agree (with the Shia) that the punishment for apostacy is death?

(salam)

ofcourse .its only when shia disagree,they are "rawafed".but disagreeing with imam ali (as) for themis ijtihad and will be rewarded.what a shameless people?! :wacko:

[leb2nv]

as a sunni and with all respect to sayeda aisha (ra) i still belive that she is wrong totaly for going against imam ali (ra) because of the hadeeths that state that imam ali (ra) is the door to the city of knowledge and that he is the mawla of who ever the prophet Mu7ammad (pbuh) is the mawla of how can anyone disagree with Ali (ra) r u people crazy

[Bush_supporter]

(bismillah)

(salam)

Led a revolt against Imam Ali (as) claiming to get revenge for the murder of Uthman, while during his reign, she said kill that fool. I belive that the battle was called, Battle of the Camel

also ordered the vicious attack of 70 arrows on the dead body of the Prophet (pbuh)'s grandson.

"Shias view on Aisha."

Shia hate Hazrat Aisha (ra) and love to curse her, just like anyone else who ever disagreed with Hazrat Ali (ra)....

BESHMUR~~~~~~~~~

[RayRay]

Assalamu Alaykam,

There is no need to delve into what I feel towards Ayesha, yet I am confused about one thing, and Insha'Allah, someone here can assist me.

Ayesha, along with the other wives of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are titled 'Mother of Believers'. I always thought this was so no-one can marry them after the demise of Rasool Muhammad (saw), but in the Koran they too are referred to as 'Mother of Believers'. Can someone explain what this means?

Wassallam

as a sunni and with all respect to sayeda aisha (ra) i still belive that she is wrong totaly for going against imam ali (ra) because of the hadeeths that state that imam ali (ra) is the door to the city of knowledge and that he is the mawla of who ever the prophet Mu7ammad (pbuh) is the mawla of how can anyone disagree with Ali (ra) r u people crazy

Salaams leb2nv,

You have quoted a very important hadith "whoever Master I am, Ali is also his Master" (Al-Ghadir, Vol. 1, pp.9-I1.), and you acknowledge the truth in it, yet you are still Sunni??? I do not mean to be nosey, may Allah (swt) forgive me if I say anything wrong, but would this not make you question your beliefs?

Wassallam.

[Fiasco]

I find it funny that while Shias condemn her, the Sunnis go out of their way to glorify her above all the rest of the wives of the Prophet.

I think i'll the middle passage & have a neutral view of Ayesha. After all, she was the wife of the Prophet(saaws).

[RayRay]

That has always struck me too.

Of all the wives of Rasool Muhammad (pbuh), Ayesha is elevated to a status that none of the other wives are elevated to, even though Khadija (may Allah be pleased with her) was Rasool Muhammad (saw) favourite.

The love and devotion towards Ayesha is amplified, yet in her lifetime, actions she committed were very wrong, not only going against the Prophet (pbuh) Family (a.s), but Allah (swt) words.

[Ali Fazel]

as a sunni and with all respect to sayeda aisha (ra) I still belive that she is wrong totaly for going against imam ali (ra) because of the hadeeths that state that imam ali (ra) is the door to the city of knowledge and that he is the mawla of who ever the prophet Mu7ammad (pbuh) is the mawla of how can anyone disagree with Ali (ra) r u people crazy

I think - Ayiesha being the wife of prophet (SAW) we do not hate her. --- But we do hate what she did.

Other prophets also had wives who were the enemies of those respective prophets e.g. H Lut (A)

That does not mean the wives of prophets are immune from the instigation of Shaitan.

What would you say who is more closer to you -- Your Uncle or your wife. Unless you are of western mentality you will agree that uncle holds more respect as he is like you father.

Look at Qur’an what it says about the uncle of Prophet (SAW) namely Abu Lahab ---- If the uncle of prophet (SAW) is condemned by Allah for the wrong he did -- what status is of the wife who causes so much pain to Islam.

Stating FACTS should not be considered hating her. We don’t like her . We don’t think she deserves any respect in the eyes of the Ummah.

Khadija on the other hand sacrificed every thing for Islam - she was never disobedient to prophet (SAW) despite being older. AND look at how Allah (SWT) favoured her? --- prophet (SAW) has no issue other than the daughter (Fatimah) from Khadija (A). Why did he have no issue from other wives --- Why did Allah Honour Khadija so much?

Edited July 22, 2006 by Ali Fazel

[SpIzo]

I also read an incident recently; that Ayesha used to sting the Prophet's daughter, Fatema [sa] with her taunts and insults towards her mother, Khadija [sa] to such an extent that she [sa] used to start weeping and crying.

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One of the problems, which disturbed Fatima, was that some of her father's wives were envious and jealous of her. Certain wives of the Prophet (S) developed psychological complications against Fatima, because of the special treatment the Prophet bestowed upon her and the great love and kindness that he favored her with.

Al-Majlisi (May Allah bless his soul) narrated in Bihar that Imam Sadiq (A) said:

"The Messenger of Allah entered his house to find Aisha yelling at Fatima, saying:

`By Allah, O Khadija's daughter, you feel that your mother was better than us; but what favor does she have above us? Is she not saved like us?'

The Prophet (S) heard Aisha's shouting. When Fatima saw him, she began to cry; the Prophet (S) then said:

`What makes you cry, O daughter of Muhammad?'

Fatima said: 'Aisha degraded my mother, and this has caused me to cry.'

The Messenger of Allah (S) angrily said: `Hush, O Humaira (reddish woman)!! Surely Allah (Exalted is His Name) blessed this devoted and fertile woman; and Khadija (may Allah bless her soul) gave birth to my children, Al-Tahir (Abdullah) who was purified, A1-Qasim, Ruqayya, Um Kulthum, and Zainab; but Allah has created you with a sterile womb so you do not give birth to any children."

Many other unappreciated utterances were made by Aisha against Fatima Zahra (A); which reflects the deep inborn deviation from which Aisha suffered, was not observed in any other of the Prophet's wives.

http://www.al-islam.org/gracious/

[Ali Fazel]

Just want to add something to my previous post.

Some one mentioned that according to Qur'an the wives of prophet (SAW) are mothers of Ummah.

This is the respect they ONLY deserve if they abide with the good behaviour expected of them.

They would be role models if their actions are worth following. But if they have bad actions people would turn away. (Unfortunately Sunni don't see it that way --- they respect such people even if these commit crimes - according to them respect is based on relation which Qur’an openly disagrees with.

Ask any person who would send la’nat on any of the disobedient wives of prophet (SAW) NOT EVEN ONE PERSON CAN MUSTER SUCH COURAGE because their conscious tells them it is wrong ---- Also see how Ali(A) dispatch her back to Medina without any dishonour after her aggression in battle of Jamal ----

I think this is answers your query.

Edited July 22, 2006 by Ali Fazel

[amoha]

i don't understand one thing, why she is given so much importance by the people, if she was prophet's (pbuh) wife than he (pbuh) had other wives too, why we ignore them and why we talk about her so much? is this because her dad was the first calipha and others didn't had their dad serving at the high councile?

I also read an incident recently; that Ayesha used to sting the Prophet's daughter, Fatema [sa] with her taunts and insults towards her mother, Khadija [sa] to such an extent that she [sa] used to start weeping and crying.

whatelse you can expect from a self centred, state of the art ignorant!

Of all the wives of Rasool Muhammad (pbuh), Ayesha is elevated to a status that none of the other wives are elevated to, even though Khadija (may Allah be pleased with her) was Rasool Muhammad (saw) favourite.

history writers elevated their favorite.

I find it funny that while Shias condemn her, the Sunnis go out of their way to glorify her above all the rest of the wives of the Prophet.

action & reaction are equal and opposite! you will not read the word sunni, during the life of the prophet (pbuh) , but you will read the word shia, even in the sunni books!, shia_an-i-ali (as) , is the word used by the prophet (pbuh) ... so if shia love someone, sunnis have to hate him, as a reaction.

[med]

The Messenger of Allah (S) angrily said: `Hush, O Humaira (reddish woman)!! Surely Allah (Exalted is His Name) blessed this devoted and fertile woman; and Khadija (may Allah bless her soul) gave birth to my children, Al-Tahir (Abdullah) who was purified, A1-Qasim, Ruqayya, Um Kulthum, and Zainab; but Allah has created you with a sterile womb so you do not give birth to any children."

Well this a hadith that shows many of the contradictions of our bro&sist shia.

In this same website there was a thread or more arguing that Zainab (ra) wasnt the daughter of the prophet (pbuh). And here we are with a hadith that claims the contrary.

Second, this same hadith is showing that the prophet (pbuh) is sort of traeting badly one of his wives by citing something that if tru (sterile womb) is in fact an act of Allah and I, the most sinful person on earth cant say something similar to a woman, so how come the best of human kind?

i don't understand one thing, why she is given so much importance by the people, if she was prophet's (pbuh) wife than he (pbuh) had other wives too, why we ignore them and why we talk about her so much? is this because her dad was the first calipha and others didn't had their dad serving at the high councile?

whatelse you can expect from a self centred, state of the art ignorant!

history writers elevated their favorite.

action & reaction are equal and opposite! you will not read the word sunni, during the life of the prophet (pbuh) , but you will read the word shia, even in the sunni books!, shia_an-i-ali (as) , is the word used by the prophet (pbuh) ... so if shia love someone, sunnis have to hate him, as a reaction.

The main reason is that she was the subject of Horrible injustice from our shia bro&sist.

If Khadija (ra) was the subject of similar injustice she would have been the center of all

the defensive efforts coz ALL the wives of the prophets have special status.

action & reaction are equal and opposite! you will not read the word sunni, during the life of the prophet (pbuh) , but you will read the word shia, even in the sunni books!, shia_an-i-ali (as) , is the word used by the prophet (pbuh) ... so if shia love someone, sunnis have to hate him, as a reaction.

We love Khadija (ra)Fatima (ra)Ali (ra) al Hassan(ra) al Hussain (ra) and WHOEVER dont love them has serious problems in his belief though he may be saying a shahada, praying....

[mmz]

Assalamu Alaykam,

There is no need to delve into what I feel towards Ayesha, yet I am confused about one thing, and Insha'Allah, someone here can assist me.

Ayesha, along with the other wives of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) are titled 'Mother of Believers'. I always thought this was so no-one can marry them after the demise of Rasool Muhammad (saw), but in the Koran they too are referred to as 'Mother of Believers'. Can someone explain what this means?

(salam)

Yes, it is stated in the quran but again that is in relation to them being like ur mothers....

Your prophet has a greater right over you then you have over yourselves and the wifes are like your mothers...... (i belive thats how it goes)

and like you stated, that just means that it is forbidden to marry them after they have married the prophet.... they become like your mothers... it doesn't mean that they are purified to the high status... just means u cant marry them.

and the way we answer that from the quran is that remember that the quran states that your prophet is not your father among the people but he is just your prophet.

so if Aisha and the other wives are our mothers, then the prophet should be our father.... but the quran says no.. the prophet is not ur father..

hope that helps

wasalam

[SpIzo]

Well this a hadith that shows many of the contradictions of our bro&sist shia.

In this same website there was a thread or more arguing that Zainab (ra) wasnt the daughter of the prophet (pbuh). And here we are with a hadith that claims the contrary.

Second, this same hadith is showing that the prophet (pbuh) is sort of traeting badly one of his wives by citing something that if tru (sterile womb) is in fact an act of Allah and I, the most sinful person on earth cant say something similar to a woman, so how come the best of human kind?

The issue of Prophet having daughters apart from Sayyeda Fatema [sa] is still debatable but I do not reject this hadith.

Secondly, according to the Sunnis, the Prophet could make minor errors; so why is this surprising to you? Because he has silenced Ayesha, that is why?

[med]

The issue of Prophet having daughters apart from Sayyeda Fatema [sa] is still debatable but I do not reject this hadith.

Secondly, according to the Sunnis, the Prophet could make minor errors; so why is this surprising to you? Because he has silenced Ayesha, that is why?

This is not silencing ayesha; its like saying to someone who was born blind, hey God has created you blind so that you cant see his bounties. Thats not the character of the prophet you and I believe in. He (pbh) cant ''insult'' someone with what Allah has chosen for that person, cause he (pbuh) is the first to know that all this is the creation of Allah.

The issue of Prophet having daughters apart from Sayyeda Fatema [sa] is still debatable but I do not reject this hadith.

Secondly, according to the Sunnis, the Prophet could make minor errors; so why is this surprising to you? Because he has silenced Ayesha, that is why?

Well, if something as easy documentable as whether the prophet (pbuh) has daughters other than Fatima (ra) from oumouna Khadija (ra) and still is debatable as you said, then how come that the details of what happened in the war between Ali (ra) and the army that was supported by aisha (ra) are considered clear cut? remember that sunni version of the history while agreeing that Ali (ra) was more closely near the truth than the other group is emphasizing that the two groups were tricked against each other by a group of hypocrites who happen to be in the army of Ali (ra) and who were responsible for the death of Otman (ra).

[Logic]

This is not silencing ayesha; its like saying to someone who was born blind, hey God has created you blind so that you cant see his bounties. Thats not the character of the prophet you and I believe in. He (pbh) cant ''insult'' someone with what Allah has chosen for that person, cause he (pbuh) is the first to know that all this is the creation of Allah.

Well, if something as easy documentable as whether the prophet (pbuh) has daughters other than Fatima (ra) from oumouna Khadija (ra) and still is debatable as you said, then how come that the details of what happened in the war between Ali (ra) and the army that was supported by aisha (ra) are considered clear cut? remember that sunni version of the history while agreeing that Ali (ra) was more closely near the truth than the other group is emphasizing that the two groups were tricked against each other by a group of hypocrites who happen to be in the army of Ali (ra) and who were responsible for the death of Otman (ra).

Its simple cause if Ayesha was there with any other intention then war then the troops would not be with her.

Secondly, As pointed out earlier Ayesha is mother of believers, So why didnt she summon Imam Ali (A.S)?

Why is Ayesha asking for revenge where is the role of Uthmans wife?

What did this war accomplish?

What about the barking dogs? a clear cut sign of her to walk away?

Casually they will always blame the Shias but their stories have so many holes in it that only a person without a brain would accept it

(salam) Br. Abdel Hassan,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't our Sunni brothers consider a rebellion against the " Caliph al-Rashadoon" as apostacy, and agree (with the Shia) that the punishment for apostacy is death?

A very decent question that requires a straight forward answer. Please keep the action of SSP in your mind when you answer.