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In a country that has outlawed homosexuality, Frances Harrison meets one Iranian cleric who says the right to a sex change is a human right.

For 20 years Mahyar has been a woman trapped in a man's body.

As a small child Mahyar liked dressing up in women's clothes and experimenting with make-up but as she grew older it got more difficult. "I badly needed to do it but it had to be in secret," she says.

Now she wants to have a sex-change operation - if she can muster the £2,000 it will cost in Iran. If her family doesn't help financially, she says she might sell one of her kidneys to pay for it.

"People say you'll get other illnesses but I think I can live without one kidney. I cannot live between the sky and the earth," says Mahyar.

Locked-up

Surgeons have already removed Mahyar's testicles. After the operation, her older brother locked her up for a week and wouldn't let her use the telephone. Mahyar's brother says someone has put a spell on her.

When Mahyar wants to feel normal she goes to the clinic of Dr Mirjalali - Iran's leading sex-change surgeon. There are women who were men, men who were women and those like Mahyar waiting for the operation they believe will be a sort of rebirth.

Dr Mirjalali says in Europe a surgeon would do about 40 sex change operations in a decade. He's done 320 in the last 12 years in Iran.

"If you saw them out in the street you wouldn't realise that one day they were the opposite sex," he boasts.

The doctor will use parts of Mahyar's intestines to create female sex organs. He warns it involves five or six hours of difficult surgery and weeks of painful recuperation.

Mahyar loves to go to cosmetics shops - and try out new nail varnish for her long manicured nails and discuss with the amused female shop assistants the best sort of foundation cream to hide her stubbly chin.

The sight of a man wearing make-up does turn heads on the street. Islamic tradition does not allow cross dressing - a man should only dress in male clothes. But that is not to say Iran's religious scholars are antagonistic to transsexuals.

Hojatulislam Kariminia wrote his doctoral thesis on the implications of sex-change operations for Islamic law.

He is a leading expert on questions like does a husband or wife need the permission of their spouse before a sex change operation? Is their marriage automatically annulled afterwards and what happens to the wife's dowry money or inheritance if she becomes a man.

Ayatollah Khomeini

He shows me the book in Arabic in which, 41 years ago, Ayatollah Khomeini wrote about new medical issues like transsexuality.

"I believe he was the first Islamic scientist in the world of Islam who raised the issue of sex change," says Hojatulislam Kariminia.

The Ayatollah's ruling that sex-change operations were allowed has been reconfirmed by Iran's current spiritual leader.

That has meant that clerics like Hojatulislam Kariminia can study transsexuality - unlike homosexuality which is completely forbidden in Islam and illegal in Iran.

"I want to suggest that the right of transsexuals to change their gender is a human right," says the cleric, who is so fascinated by the subject that he says he dreams about the transsexuals he has studied at night.

"I am trying to introduce transsexuals to the people through my work and in fact remove the stigma or the insults that sometimes attach to these people," says Hojatulislam Kariminia.

That's not easy. In every way Alan looks like a man but he was born Alim - with a woman's body. Three years ago he had a sex-change operation.

"I don't remember who Alim was - what she used to do, what kind of personality she had," says Alan. The past is something he'd prefer to forget.

Alan was about to get married when the parents of his bride found out he had been born a woman. They were horrified and refused to allow their daughter to marry what they considered another woman.

Iranian society has yet to catch up with its religious leaders - who say transsexuality is an illness like any other for which Islam has the solution and science the cure.

Alan shows me his new birth certificate and passport, which has been legally changed to say he is now a man. He's surprised to learn in Britain a transsexual who's had a sex change operation cannot change his or her gender on their birth certificate.

"I think in Iran it is better; in Iran they say you need to know your identity - either you have to be a boy or a girl," says Alan.

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The Gender Recognition Act 2004 comes into force in the UK in from April 2005. Under the provisions of the Act a transsexual person can apply to be legally recognised in their acquired gender.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4115535.stm

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i suggest he sees a shrink, hes got a penis, not a vagina, whats so hard to understand, does the person look down their pants everytime and gets excited and scream "look at me im trapped in a mans body" waaaaaaa

its bad to be a homo and u get caught and u might get killed, but when u wanna get a sex change ur safe? jebus!

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(bismillah)

(salam)

I agree its a strange issue but understandable. In iran to get a change they have to first go to a docter and try to treat it. For those who absolutely cannot change it..then the operation is available.

My personal belief is since its a psychological/hormonal disease they should attempt to find a cure via psychology or hormone therapy. It just doesn't sit well that a man who feels comfortable as a women (psychological) is getting there body revamped to fit there illness. Still there is no known cure and this is the best they can do right now. Also my personal beliefs don't do much in the way of a fatwa or a religious decree.

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I agree with Hassan Sajjad.

Btw, when the Mara'jeh allow it, who the hell are you to even talk about it?

who am i to talk about it? for starters, who are u to talk to me in such a manner? u got some kind of problem of people not accepting what a scholar says? if so , go shoot urself

if a marja allows it, then its all right? then why dont we call follow one marja, oh darn, thats what wilayat al-faqeeh stuff is all about.

everyone is intiteled to their opinion, this isnt imam al-mahdi talking about this issue, its a scholar, so he still can make mistakes regarding what is forbiden and what is not.

how about u do us all a favour and become a transexual.... the mullas will love u for it

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Fitnah? Dont even ask me what I think of you based on YOUR previoua quotes, It is a legitimate question. Since transexuality is approved by khamenei it means that is permissable and NOT haram. Correct.

So..I therefore humbly ask if one can do taqleed of a marjah who used to be a woman but is now a man.

While you're at it please also tell me if a man who is already a marjah gets a sex change then once he becomes a woman does he lose his/her marjiyat and what becomes of his/her muqalids, whom should they then follow?

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Let's look at how 'Urf/society treats people with such a problem. In Pakistan and India, eunichs and hermaphrodites are treated like freaks. The only job they can get is either as a wedding or a birthday "clown" or as a prostitute. They live in the slums and are normally heroine junkies.

Bravo to civilized nations.

As a Marjaa it becomes part of your resposibility to rectify this attitude. Shame on us as a society that such people have to take such measures. Social justice should not be ignored.

Wa Salaam,

Dhulfiqar

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Before or after they've had the sex change? please specify, I am not muqalid myself so am unaware of exactly how the process works...

actually sex change is allowed only for people with harmonial problems....not any random man can do that....

So if a marja who had this problem changes his sex, he doesnt become another person...his knowledge and piety is intact...so there is no question of changing taqlid...

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(salam)

In Pakistan and India, eunichs and hermaphrodites are treated like freaks. The only job they can get is either as a wedding or a birthday "clown" or as a prostitute. They live in the slums and are normally heroine junkies.

:angry:

They get elected to political offices too. Shabnam Mausi, Kamla Jaan..... :angel:

So if a marja who had this problem changes his sex, he doesnt become another person...his knowledge and piety is intact...so there is no question of changing taqlid...

:huh: "He" becomes a "she", right? There's no permissibility of taqlid of a "she".

--

Zahra

Edited by phoenix

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But Abbas Zaidi just said they remain the same person and you can remain muqalid of them, I must confess, this whole sex change thing makes the taqleed system even more complicated

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salaam,

many of you do not realize, this is not a social issue: it is entirely a medical issue. for example, many of these people have the "XY" chromosome, but appear to be female. Are they male or female? Others have the XX chromsome, but appear to be male. Are they male or female?

-

rahat

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(salam)

:angry:

They get elected to political offices too. Shabnam Mausi, Kamla Jaan..... :angel:

LOL...yeah i remember Shabnam Mausi.....I saw her interview.... :lol: ...She was better than Vajpayee....LOL..

:huh: "He" becomes a "she", right? There's no permissibility of taqlid of a "she".

Ok that was my personal opinion...So a woman is not eligible for ijtehad ??

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bahahahahaha one day u might be following a girl...

u know, ur marja was a man, and all of a suden! BAAAM

hes a woman....THAT CANT HAVE BABIES!!! HES NOT A WOMAN!!! HES A MAN WITH NO WEEWEE

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...So a woman is not eligible for ijtehad ??
...So a woman is not eligible for ijtehad ??

Of course she is! Just that once she becomes a mujtahidah, she is the only one who can act upon her own rulings; none else can.

W/S

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a strange issue indeed... the case here is not about people with extra "x" chromosome or something like that right?

so as i understand, that it is about people who just dont feel or relate to thier gender? ya3ni emotionally or psychologically ...

alright i will not take a stand on the issue yet but brother Hassan Sajad or anyone else can you please provide maraji3s statments about the issue and more scientific information, and the relegious basis on which these operations were considered valid .. cus am sure they must have backed thier statments with hadeeths or ayas or reason right?

Alhamdolilah for everything and may Allah cure everyone with such problems

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