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Khatami called the Holocaust a historical reality

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Ex-Iran head enters Holocaust row

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Ex-Iranian President Mohammad Khatami has called the Holocaust a historical reality, clashing with controversial comments by the current president. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad brought international criticism when he called the Holocaust a "myth" last year.

Mr Khatami said the Holocaust was a "massacre of innocent people, among them many Jews", Iran media reported. Mr Khatami did not mention the current leader by name, but correspondents say his target was clear.

The former reformist president said the Holocaust was a reality "even if this has been misused and there is enormous pressure on the Palestinian people". He added: "We should speak out if even a single Jew is killed. Don't forget that one of the crimes of Hitler, Nazism and German National Socialism was the massacre of innocent people, among them many Jews."

Mr Ahmadinejad had said the Holocaust was a "myth" used for the creation of Israel, which should be "wiped off the map". He said territory should be provided in Germany or Austria to establish Israel "if European countries claim that they have killed Jews in World War II".

The BBC's Sadeq Saba in Tehran says Mr Khatami's comments were clearly directed at President Ahmadinejad. Mr Khatami tried to maintain a "dialogue between civilisations" during his leadership from 1997 to 2005.

He said on Wednesday: "The persecution of Jews, just like Nazism, is a Western phenomenon. In the East, we have always lived side by side with them. And we follow a religion that states that the death of an innocent person is the death of all of humanity."

Mr Ahmadinejad has taken an ultra-conservative line with the West. He was criticised on the Holocaust issue two weeks ago by the chairman of Iran's Jewish Council, who said the president's remarks had shocked the international community and caused fear among Iran's 30,000-strong Jewish community.

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Mr Khatami said the Holocaust was a "massacre of innocent people, among them many Jews", Iran media reported. Mr Khatami did not mention the current leader by name, but correspondents say his target was clear.

The former reformist president said the Holocaust was a reality "even if this has been misused and there is enormous pressure on the Palestinian people". He added: "We should speak out if even a single Jew is killed. Don't forget that one of the crimes of Hitler, Nazism and German National Socialism was the massacre of innocent people, among them many Jews."

That seems very sensible.

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West is badly missing Khatami...LOL....Ahmadinejad has really become pain in their ***....

Anyway what I think the move to create a controversy over Holocaust by Ahmadinejad is a calculated, a very good political move to throw away the pressure and instead put pressure on Europeans.....

It was a signal that Iran is not in a mood to compromise on it's progress...which unfortunately Khatami was not able to show with his "moderate" policies...

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If you are going to be a politican, be prepared to using political tactics. All my respect to the current Iranian president, but that was not a slick move.

Thanks for posting, nice read & sensible comments by Khatami.

Now, let's see if this is as shown in the media as much as Ahmedijan's comments (sorry I can never spell his name)

fee iman illah

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(bismillah)

If you are going to be a politican, be prepared to using political tactics. All my respect to the current Iranian president, but that was not a slick move.

Thanks for posting, nice read & sensible comments by Khatami.

Now, let's see if this is as shown in the media as much as Ahmedijan's comments (sorry I can never spell his name)

fee iman illah

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Have a look at Abbas Zeidi's post ...

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(bismillah)

If you are going to be a politican, be prepared to using political tactics. All my respect to the current Iranian president, but that was not a slick move.

Thanks for posting, nice read & sensible comments by Khatami.

Now, let's see if this is as shown in the media as much as Ahmedijan's comments (sorry I can never spell his name)

fee iman illah

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sister do u think having a compromising position is always a good political move...

in that case all the current puppets Muslim rulers are good politicians...

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No Offence to anyone im not a political person I just think that khatami was better beacause ahmadinejad seem's like He only say's and does not do thats my opinion I mean to say the holocaust never happend how could you say that beacause it did Im A Muslim and I Belive the holocaust happend and I Think its Terrible Tragedy That Happend Ofcourse there are other's happening right now All Around us we should be remembering them all not only this one :cry: but its not really in our hands :dry:

^...My 2 Cents And No Will Not Debate Beacause I Dont Got The Time

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There are many places/positions/situations into which Khatami would fit in perfectly, but not as president of Iran today. He seemed to lack a little forte, which Iran needs at this point in time. I think he is the perfect ambassador to a friendly country, however.

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finally someone who can speak some sense .i personally liked khatami alot .he seemed a sif he was made for politics .sometimes you have to be a little diplomatic .your kinda incharge of a whole country and also responsible for it and the people there :angel: .

but on the other hand dr.ahmedinjad makes reading the political news that much more fun ^_^

anyways its all good but i just think that there is nothing wrong khatamis comments .

salaam

aaliyah

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seemed a sif he was made for politics .sometimes you have to be a little diplomatic .your kinda incharge of a whole country and also responsible for it and the people there  :angel: .

then Umar was a good politician than Imam Ali (as) ?? :o ...he dealt diplomatically with Ummayads ?

but on the other hand dr.ahmedinjad makes reading the political news that much more fun  ^_^

It must be fun for u but for me it is bold and fearless statements..

anyways its all good  but i just think that there is nothing wrong khatamis comments .

salaam

aaliyah

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who is saying that Khatami is wrong ? what i am saying is Khatami was not a good politcian as compared to Ahmadi ?

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sister do u think having a compromising position is always a good political move...

in that case all the current puppets Muslim rulers are good politicians...

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Khatami did it without being a puppet, hence can be done and has been done.

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Anyway what I think the move to create a controversy over Holocaust by Ahmadinejad is a calculated, a very good political move to throw away the pressure and instead put pressure on Europeans.....

It was a signal that Iran is not in a mood to compromise on it's progress...which unfortunately Khatami was not able to show with his "moderate" policies...

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agreed.

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i think different era's call for different president "types".

Khatami served at a time that was appropriate for his presidential style.

and now iran needs someone with Ahmadinejad's presidential style.

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ahmadnajads sole political move was manufactoring a crisis with the west so that people who should really know better would rally around him out of a sense of nationalism. and boy has it worked

the initial criticisms: what is he gonna do for the economy, etc are gone and replaced with moronic chanting that an intelligent person would be ashamed to bark along with. Argentina did this yeas ago. The govt was crumbling, so all the sudden the Flaklands became supr important and everyone took up the cause and forgot what they were thinking about last week. nonsense :dry:

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why is it so necessary ? just to make the west happy ?

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Why does any compromise equate to bending over to the west?

Imam Ali compromised with Abu Bakr, I dare you to say something negative about him.

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Why does any compromise equate to bending over to the west?

Imam Ali compromised with Abu Bakr, I dare you to say something negative about him.

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Did Imam Ali (as) compromise with "Talheh" and "Zobeir" ??? Do you have any idea why the battle of "Jamal" happend??

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I've always admired Khatami for the way that he has a sense of conservatism in him..however he has respect for the feelings of others so he tries his best to show that...em, i'm not going to say he was a bad leader NO...but he's the type of person that keeps his friends close but his enemies closer and this is deffinately an impotant quality that politicians should have...He didn't give the west the chance to criticize him and put their finger on his weak point or whatever...very talented MashAllah...I hold a lot of respect for him.

I think Ahmadinejad as a leader is very strong and defensive, however he is giving the west a reason for them to pick a fight with Iran! InshAllah intime his political tactics will improve. I hold a lot of respect for him also...May Allah give him the strength he needs to succeed and prosper Iran and Islam!

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Ok then why didnt Imam Husain(AS) compromised with Yazid ?? I dare you to say something negative about him.

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Did Imam Ali  (as) compromise with "Talheh" and "Zobeir" ??? Do you have any idea why the battle of "Jamal" happend??

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You can't answer my question hence answering it with a different question. :lol:

Why did Imam Ali compromise with Abu Bakr? Do you know what exactly his reasons were?

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You can't answer my question hence answering it with a different question. :lol:

Why did Imam Ali compromise with Abu Bakr? Do you know what exactly his reasons were?

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i think u r doing the same thing... :D ...yeah i can write a lot of reasons...one big reason was he didnt have any enuff supporters...

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i think u r doing the same thing... :D ...yeah i can write a lot of reasons...one big reason was he didnt have any enuff supporters...

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Sounds like Iran :!!!:

Anyways, let's not go off-topic. :D

The thread is about the Holocaust, do you have any issue with what Khatami said in the article? If so, what?

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Sounds like Iran :!!!:

Sounds like Sunnis :!!!:

The thread is about the Holocaust, do you have any issue with what Khatami said in the article? If so, what?

No i dont have any problem with what Khatami says, I have a problem with ur stmt: Khatami understands politics...

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I don't see any conflicts between the two.

Iran has been keen in differentiating between "JEWS" and "ZIONISTS." Iran has always maintained that there is a HUGE difference between a Jew and Zionist. And if you read the speeches of I.R. leaders you will see the always reference the aggressors as Zionists and not "Jews."

As deemed by UN NGOs, Zionism is a racist ideology. And no Muslim should support Zionism. According to a prominent NY Rabbi, it is Zionism that is caused the death of so many Jews after the Holocaust.

Wa Salaam,

Dhulfiqar

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Guest Katayon

man people need to stop hating on these two fine presidents.

besides, US always finds reasons to pick on iran, whether khatami or ahmadinejad, or mossadeq or safavid or kayvoon or shir farhad. makes no difference

personally i like them both, and each serves their purpose.

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No i dont have any problem with what Khatami says, I have a problem with ur stmt: Khatami understands politics...

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So you think Khatami doesn't understand politics?

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Khatami is a zionist in disguise, he's paid by them to say such stuff. He's another shah in the making .

Glad iran got rid of him.

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Umm... are you ok there?

Katayon- lovely post dahlin :wub: Level-headed reply, as usual...

Wasalaam

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