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Al-Askariya Shrine damaged by Explosives!

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Ya Allah! :cry: I can't believe this happened! May Allah's (SWT) curses be upon those responsible. May Allah (SWT) give the Shia of Ali (ra) patience and strength during this period of despair. May Allah (SWT) unite all those who truely follow his religion. May Allah (SWT) hasten the reappearance of Imam Mehdi (as) Ameen

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Well, whomever did it miscalculated gravely.

- It will unite the Shiis internally

- It will gain them regional and international sympathy

- It will give them more credibility since they will act like 'statesmen' and not start mass killings of sunnis (as every Sunni regime in history has done)

- It will allow public funds to be used to rebuild the Shrine, and to make it even greater (God willing)

- It will alienate the sunni fanatics and make them look like savages

- It will strengthen the Shi'i argument that Shi'i guerillas/forces are needed to protect Shi'is and that neither the Americans nor the Iraqi Army can be relied upon

- It proves that the americans cannot provide safety for even major shrines, let alone normal Iraqis

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Please control your emotions; if the Zionists and Americans were truly behind this, they would have destroyed the Masjid Al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock long ago – Lets not shift the blame away from those who truly are responsible for this.

Calm down and be sensible.

(salam)

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What :huh: ???...they can't do something randomly, it has to go with the time so that they can actually cause tension between sunni's and shia's...why would they have wanted to do it long ago randomly???...i'm really dissappointed, America knew what they were doing?...i'm not surprised the people who control such actions do actually have over 20 degrees each!!!

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Salam brother,

what are you implying, that sunnis were behind this? Is that why shia militiamen have since destroyed 9 sunni mosques - house of Allah - till now?

This is sickening. Is that how shias treat the sunnis? Should i recall all you shias what you have done till now. All you have done is to destroy the houses of Allah, which included the attack on Holy Kaaba in the 80s !

Why blame the sunnis for this, what have they done to you? :sick:

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sik 1z

are u tlaking about wen 400 iranians got shot for callin marr barr amreeka?

saddo, go lern histroy, it wernt no attack on the kaaba

the shias insulted america so the saudi got angry, thas the proof to see how mcuh wahaabis have their heds up amreikas a**

people plz know wt ur talkin about

i kno people aint gnna listen, but can we break thsi fightin?

if a wahabi came on this forum, dy we look repectable...no?

people plz sort it, u probably do more good if u read naamz insted

im serius now can we end this ppetty fightin, we are makin shias look stupid....fo real

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(salam)

Channel 4 news (UK)

Last Modified: 22 Feb 2006

Source: ITN

Iraq could be heading for civil war as one of its holiest Shi'ite shrines was destroyed by Sunni militants.

Click here for full story

Where did they confirm this from??????

Could you all show ur concern abt it by emailin them on news@channel4.com

wa salaam

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"No-one has claimed responsibility for the attack on the shrine, although Iraqi television said several people had been arrested in connection with the bombing."

"The BBC's Jon Brain in Baghdad says the attack was almost certainly designed to raise the existing tensions between the majority Shia and minority Sunni populations."

OKAY Since no one is taking responsibility for this and as said above is certainly designed , i would guess America is responsible for this .They wanted to prevent stabilizing the region .

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This attack was a warning to the shia majority government in Iraq, to show that their opponents have power ( who ever does not want to see a shia majority in power in Iraq ). It is also a reminder that they can be held in 'check' by the occupiers, just look at the news headlines.

We must listen to the highly respected Ulema/maraja' such as Sayed Seestani and Sayed Khamenei, to hold restraint and peacefully condemn these terrorist crimes.

Sis Smileynatalie you said it best:

Our real enemies are shaytan, intolerance, and indifference! Nobody will profit from war in the long run. Our strongest weapons are prayer, knowledge, and understanding.

May Allah grant the enemies of humanity clear sight and understanding, and they will curse themselves when they understand what they have done.

Elahi ameen.

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The wahhabis have murdered and abused Hundreds of thousands of Shias in Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan for decades. Yet we always showed restraint and showed who the better people are. I condemn this attack on the sunni mousques, as it shows we are stooping down to the level of the Wahhabi/Deobandi terrorists. InshAllah, Allah will give justice to the Shia for the years of torture the wahhabis/deobandis have given us. We must learn from Ayatollah Sistani and show restraint. May Allah punish those who destroyed the Shrines.

Also many of the Shia bro's here are angry at the sunnis. Remember , sunnis aren't our enemies, it is the wahhabi and deobandis. Wahhabis and Deobandis are the true enemies of Shias, and of Islam and we must protest against them. We should let the world know who the True Terrorists are.

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Mashallah, this is what i wanted to clarify.

Iraq could be heading for civil war as one of its holiest Shi'ite shrines was destroyed by Sunni militants.

Will you trust the invaders over fellow muslims?

Anyone could have perpetuated this attack. Most ideas suggested are only conspiracy theories at the moment, so it doesn’t rule out Iran been responsible either.

Since you're blaming sunnis for this :sick:

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US think tanks have always called for spreading problems amongst Muslim groups. It just takes alittle digging into their think tanks to what they are doing. This is clearly the US trying to stirr a civil war. Divide and conquer has been their policy in the last century ... it certainly hasn't changed a bit now.

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It escapes me why the Americans would destroy this major Shrine; if they truly wanted to saver the ‘unity’ between Shias and Sunnis; they could have destroyed the Abu Hanifa Mosque since the Sunnis obviously are more impressionable than Shias; not to mention that they are less organized with no central authority to control them unlike the Shias. So a Sunni motivated attack against the Shias or the government due to destroying the Abu Hanifa Mosque would have brought in the wanted result.

Now that would make sense.

However over the past three years, attacks against our Holy Shrines have been conducted by Neo-Nasibis, be it during Ashura or Al-Arbaeen. Today; there is no reason to think otherwise. This will backfire (as Bro. waiting had indicated).

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3 sunni imams have been killed by the sadr militiamen in iraq over this !!!!!

I want to ask the supporters of Moqtada as Sadr here who were posting in favor of peace between the sunni and the shia, what has their honourable leader Sadr done now? He has attacked sunnis and gone against the ruling of Ayatollah Sistani !

Now you ( Sadr lovers ) will hate Sadr for fighting sunnis!

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It escapes me why the Americans would destroy this major Shrine; if they truly wanted to saver the ‘unity’ between Shias and Sunnis; they could have destroyed the Abu Hanifa Mosque since the Sunnis obviously are more impressionable than Shias; not to mention that they are less organized with no central authority to control them unlike the Shias. So a Sunni motivated attack against the Shias or the government due to destroying the Abu Hanifa Mosque would have brought in the wanted result. 

Now that would make sense.

I disagree brother...Sunnis are already ready for killing Shias, it is only by provoking Shias by attacking their most important place they can get the civil war started...obviuosly this is a testing times for our ulemas and Shias too...

this makes more sense than ur above observation...Shias are on the recieving side always....

However over the past three years, attacks against our Holy Shrines have been conducted by Neo-Nasibis, be it during Ashura or Al-Arbaeen. Today; there is no reason to think otherwise. This will backfire (as Bro. waiting had indicated).

There is a reason to otherwise as this has certainly hit the hearts of Shias...rather than their lives...So this is more likely to provoke them...

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إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ

The story is old and familiar. Dates back from a long , very long time ago. If I can recall correctly, some 1,417 years ago.

There was a Lady, a resident of Madinah, whom Allah called Siddiquah al Tahirah - the citizens of Madinah called her Fatimah binte Mohammad.

Her house was set afire. Remember?

She received a mortal injury and joined her blessed Father some weeks later.

Her Husband . . . we all remember the 21st of Ramadan

Her first born -- Hasan all Mujtaba

Karbala . . .

The story continued . . .

Who among Fatimah's progeny was left in peace? Ali Zain ul 'Aabedeen? Baqir? J'afar? . . .Musa al Kadhim? Who?

Yathrab, Karbala, Baghdad, Mashhad, Samarrah . . . where on earth were Her sons and daughters allowed peace . . .

When She graced this earth with her presence, She was persecuted and tortured.

When she left, Her grave, and along with it, the graves of Her many illustrious Sons were razed.

The story continues . . . Jannat al Baqeeyeh yesterday, Samarrah today . . .

The beginning - - Saqeefeh bani S'aadah

Let's bury our differences with our Sunni brethren in faith for the sake of "Islamic" unity

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they could have destroyed the Abu Hanifa Mosque since the Sunnis obviously are more impressionable than Shias; not to mention that they are less organized with no central authority to control them unlike the Shias. So a Sunni motivated attack against the Shias or the government due to destroying the Abu Hanifa Mosque would have brought in the wanted result.

I don't understand this. Sunnis were ruling the iraq, with exemplary discipline, organisation and central authority before the invaders attacked iraq.

If sunnis are more impressionable than shias then why do we see houses of Allah , 9 mosques destroyed by the shia militiamen?

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-For 11 pages there has been promotion of discord and disunity, slander and hatred, yet nobody managed to bring proof, or even a mere suggestion, that indicates Sunni, or even Wahabbi, involvement in this fiasco.

Rather, the same people who claim to follow the ulema, have contradicted them, the same people who claim to follow the Aimmah (as), have manipulated their name, claimed themselves as true followers, and still contradicted them, and on top of that, the words of Allah Himself seem to have gone in vain:

[3.102] O you who believe! be careful of (your duty to) Allah with the care which is due to Him, and do not die unless you are Muslims.

[3.103] And hold fast by the covenant of Allah all together and be not disunited, and remember the favor of Allah on you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts so by His favor you became brethren; and you were on the brink of a pit of fire, then He saved you from it, thus does Allah make clear to you His communications that you may follow the right way.

[3.104] And from among you there should be a party who invite to good and enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong, and these it is that shall be successful.

[3.105] And be not like those who became divided and disagreed after clear arguments had come to them, and these it is that shall have a grievous chastisement.

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Please control your emotions; if the Zionists and Americans were truly behind this, they would have destroyed the Masjid Al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock long ago – Lets not shift the blame away from those who truly are responsible for this.

Calm down and be sensible.

(salam)

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In His Name, the Most High

Salaams

Br NoorFatima; good to talk to you again after a long time; I wish the circumstances were different but ce la vie.

As for your comment that if the Amerikkkans and Zionists were behind this they would have destroyed Masjed al-Aqsa and the Qumbat as-Sakhra (The Dome of the Rock) a long time ago. I beg to differ.

You see in Palestine; the damaging of al-Aqsa or al-Sakhra would succeed in uniting the entire Palestinian population against the oppresive occupation; where as in Iraq harming a haram; be it Kerbala, Najaf, Kadhimiyyah or al-Askariyyah would - if the right work was done on the ground - succeed in fermenting enough sectarian strife - along with the phantom "terrorists" such as Mr Zarqawi and Co - who in reality are Richard Cheney, George W Bush II, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice and Co (since it is a well known fact that the real Mr Zarqawi was never in Iraq but had been killed long ago); the Zarqawi myth; and the exaggeration of his power; the exaggeration of his "Sunnism" - and his non-existant hatred of the so-called "Shia"; such as having instigators in so-called Shia communities; and other engines in place; such an attack would have an excellent effect.

Examine this situation from the perspective of the Amerikkkan Empire.

1/ The whole world is slowly turning against the Amerikkkan Empire

2/ It's colonial experiment in what is in reality Palestine, has failed; and thankfully; through Allah's infinite grace; HAMAS (The Islamic Resistance Movement) has come to power- through a DEMOCRATIC election - in Occupied Palestine.

3/ HAMAS bears NO ILL WILL towards the Shia; even though it is a Sunni Movement - it's core is Islamic; and it is only Sunni in flavour because the majority of the population of Palestine are from our brethren of the Ahl as-Sunnah.

4/ The cutting of HAMAS's AID by the Amerikkan Empire; and threats of the same from lackeys of the Amerikkkan Empire have been rendered impotent by offers of assistance from various quarters including Islamic Iran.

5/ The Iranian Oil Bourse - which will change the default currency for oil transactions from the United States Dollar to the Euro - to which most of the key OPEC suppliers of crude oil have already subscribed. Without a backup of Oil; the US Dollar will fail as a currency; ultimately forcing the Federal Reserve - an independent entity outside the US Government - to bankrupt the United States Government in order to pay it's outstanding commitments.

6/ Threats of "action" against Islamic Iran are being met with skepticism; and with it's forces spread so thinly; the Amerikkkan Empire; along with it's lackeys - such as the Blair Enterprises PLC (formally called Great Britain or the United Kingdom); is unable to engage in a serious assault on Islamic Iran.

7/ Should the Zionist Entity in it's universal stupidity be foolish enough to attack Islamic Iran; it will be in serious trouble; as Iran will not capitulate the way the Tikriti Regime did; since Imam Khamenei(HA); Dr AhmadiNejaad(HA) and the government and people of Islamic Iran are not in the pay of the Amerikkkan Empire.

The cards are stacked against the Amerikkkan Empire. Fact.

It needs to create a situation which will ferment sectarian strife; not just in Iraq; but globally; and what will do that? Damage something "Shia" (incidently the haramain in al-Askariyyah are not 'Shia' the are Islamic Places - the Aimmah(A) were not Shia or Sunnah; they are and were Aimmat al-Muslimeen(A) - notice "al-Muslimeen" - very important.

If they make sectarian strife (where they is the Amerikkan Empire and Co) they can make a situation where many of their problems will go away.

Muslims - ALL MUSLIMS - both Shia and Sunni - globally will be pre-occupied with killing each other; in that time; Iraqi Oil will be funnelled to Haifa (for the Zionist Entity) - the pipeline already exists and is constantly blown up by believers who don't want our precious oil being syphoned out to the Zionists for use against our brethren; do some research you will see what I am saying as true; if you have people in Iraq; ask them to go north; near Mosul and Kirkuk; you will see what I am saying as true.

The only - yes ONLY option, that we as Muslims have; is to have patience; and make sure that NO sectarian episode occours. All the Maraje and Righteous Ulema have clearly stated that this is NOT a sectarian issue; the Leader of the Muslim Ummah, Imam Khamenei(HA) clearly said that this is a "POLICITCAL ISSUE" - created to further the age-old concept of divide and rule.

Please try to understand my respected brethren.

This is important; if we start segmenting; even thru the use of inuendo; the worst will happen; some might want the worst to happen; their judgemnt is with Allah; we on the other hand; want to protect Islam and Muslims (ALL Muslims; Sunni/Shia/Wahhabi/etc/etc); this is our duty.

It is important to realise this, and the faster we do so the better.

Let us recite a fateha for all those martyred today; in Occupied Palestine; Occupied Afghanistan; Occupied Iraq, etc, etc.

With Salaams and Dua's

Shabbir

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It escapes me why the Americans would destroy this major Shrine; if they truly wanted to saver the ‘unity’ between Shias and Sunnis; they could have destroyed the Abu Hanifa Mosque since the Sunnis obviously are more impressionable than Shias; not to mention that they are less organized with no central authority to control them unlike the Shias. So a Sunni motivated attack against the Shias or the government due to destroying the Abu Hanifa Mosque would have brought in the wanted result.  

Now that would make sense.

However over the past three years, attacks against our Holy Shrines have been conducted by Neo-Nasibis, be it during Ashura or Al-Arbaeen. Today; there is no reason to think otherwise. This will backfire (as Bro. waiting had indicated).

(salam)

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the result they wanted is being confirmed right here on this thread let alone around the world...US has put its finger on our weakpoint!

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Br NoorFatima; good to talk to you again after a long time; I wish the circumstances were different but ce la vie.

As for your comment that if the Amerikkkans and Zionists were behind this they would have destroyed Masjed al-Aqsa and the Qumbat as-Sakhra (The Dome of the Rock) a long time ago.  I beg to differ.

You see in Palestine; the damaging of al-Aqsa or al-Sakhra would succeed in uniting the entire Palestinian population against the oppresive occupation; where as in Iraq harming a haram; be it Kerbala, Najaf, Kadhimiyyah or al-Askariyyah would - if the right work was done on the ground - succeed in fermenting enough sectarian strife - along with the phantom "terrorists" such as Mr Zarqawi and Co - who in reality are Richard Cheney, George W Bush II, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice and Co (since it is a well known fact that the real Mr Zarqawi was never in Iraq but had been killed long ago); the Zarqawi myth; and the exaggeration of his power; the exaggeration of his "Sunnism" - and his non-existant hatred of the so-called "Shia"; such as having instigators in so-called Shia communities; and other engines in place; such an attack would have an excellent effect.

Examine this situation from the perspective of the Amerikkkan Empire.

1/ The whole world is slowly turning against the Amerikkkan Empire

2/ It's colonial experiment in what is in reality Palestine, has failed; and thankfully; through Allah's infinite grace; HAMAS (The Islamic Resistance Movement) has come to power- through a DEMOCRATIC election - in Occupied Palestine.

3/ HAMAS bears NO ILL WILL towards the Shia; even though it is a Sunni Movement - it's core is Islamic; and it is only Sunni in flavour because the majority of the population of Palestine are from our brethren of the Ahl as-Sunnah.

4/ The cutting of HAMAS's AID by the Amerikkan Empire; and threats of the same from lackeys of the Amerikkkan Empire have been rendered impotent by offers of assistance from various quarters including Islamic Iran.

5/ The Iranian Oil Bourse - which will change the default currency for oil transactions from the United States Dollar to the Euro - to which most of the key OPEC suppliers of crude oil have already subscribed.  Without a backup of Oil; the US Dollar will fail as a currency; ultimately forcing the Federal Reserve - an independent entity outside the US Government - to bankrupt the United States Government in order to pay it's outstanding commitments. 

6/ Threats of "action" against Islamic Iran are being met with skepticism; and with it's forces spread so thinly; the Amerikkkan Empire; along with it's lackeys - such as the Blair Enterprises PLC (formally called Great Britain or the United Kingdom); is unable to engage in a serious assault on Islamic Iran.

7/ Should the Zionist Entity in it's universal stupidity be foolish enough to attack Islamic Iran; it will be in serious trouble; as Iran will not capitulate the way the Tikriti Regime did; since Imam Khamenei(HA); Dr AhmadiNejaad(HA) and the government and people of Islamic Iran are not in the pay of the Amerikkkan Empire.

The cards are stacked against the Amerikkkan Empire.  Fact.

It needs to create a situation which will ferment sectarian strife; not just in Iraq; but globally; and what will do that?  Damage something "Shia" (incidently the haramain in al-Askariyyah are not 'Shia' the are Islamic Places - the Aimmah(A) were not Shia or Sunnah; they are and were Aimmat al-Muslimeen(A) - notice "al-Muslimeen" - very important.

If they make sectarian strife (where they is the Amerikkan Empire and Co) they can make a situation where many of their problems will go away.

Muslims - ALL MUSLIMS - both Shia and Sunni - globally will be pre-occupied with killing each other; in that time; Iraqi Oil will be funnelled to Haifa (for the Zionist Entity) - the pipeline already exists and is constantly blown up by believers who don't want our precious oil being syphoned out to the Zionists for use against our brethren; do some research you will see what I am saying as true; if you have people in Iraq; ask them to go north; near Mosul and Kirkuk; you will see what I am saying as true.

The only - yes ONLY option, that we as Muslims have; is to have patience; and make sure that NO sectarian episode occours.  All the Maraje and Righteous Ulema have clearly stated that this is NOT a sectarian issue; the Leader of the Muslim Ummah, Imam Khamenei(HA) clearly said that this is a "POLICITCAL ISSUE" - created to further the age-old concept of divide and rule.

Please try to understand my respected brethren.

This is important; if we start segmenting; even thru the use of inuendo; the worst will happen; some might want the worst to happen; their judgemnt is with Allah; we on the other hand; want to protect Islam and Muslims (ALL Muslims; Sunni/Shia/Wahhabi/etc/etc); this is our duty.

It is important to realise this, and the faster we do so the better.

Let us recite a fateha for all those martyred today; in Occupied Palestine; Occupied Afghanistan; Occupied Iraq, etc, etc.

With Salaams and Dua's

Shabbir

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Honourable brother, Mashalalh for a brave and a brilliant post, but this post of mine was directed at you

3 sunni imams have been killed by the sadr militiamen in iraq over this !!!!!

I want to ask the supporters of Moqtada as Sadr here who were posting in favor of peace between the sunni and the shia, what has their honourable leader Sadr done now? He has attacked sunnis and gone against the ruling of Ayatollah Sistani !

Now you ( Sadr lovers ) will hate Sadr for fighting sunnis!

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There is no disrespect intended, just wanted you to clarify your stance!

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I disagree brother...Sunnis are already ready for killing Shias, it is only by provoking Shias by attacking their most important place they can get the civil war started...obviuosly this is a testing times for our ulemas and Shias too...

this makes more sense than ur above observation...Shias are on the recieving side always....

A test put forward by whom? The Americans already know how power our Ayatollahs are; they don’t need to test them. A civil-war torn Iraq cannot possibly be advantages to the Americans; especially if you consider the economic reason behind this invasion; it would simply make no since for the American government to stage a ‘terrorist’ attack against a Shia Shrine. If you also calculate the prospect of an attack on Iran, the Americans want the alliance and assistance of Iraqi Shias, not create a disturbance that can link them to any attack on Shia sites that can lead to a wide scale rebellion.

On the other hand; the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia, who many deem Muslims, have destroyed the Heritage of the Holy Prophet starting with the graves of his wives, direct descendents (the Holy Imams) and the Sahaba. The terrorists in Iraq have attacked our Shrines since the invasion; the Kadhimiya Shrines has been bombed three times over the past three years; the Shrine of Sayedna Salman has been destroyed in the city of Salman-Pak two years ago; how many Sunni shrines have been attacked?

If the Americans wanted a supposed Civil war; they would attack Shrines belonging to both sects to inflame valance; that would make sense. Only those hate the Americans from the get go would delude themselves in drawing a link between this tragedy and the American military.

(salam)

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the result they wanted is being confirmed right here on this thread let alone around the world...US has put its finger on our weakpoint!

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Beg to differ, sister. In this context the Shiah DO NOT have a weak point.

The mob violence is a quite different story altogether. Whether any retaliatory attacks are being carried out by Shiah, or as happens in Pakistan, by people with scores to settle, is anybody's guess.

Not endorsing any violence, while once again washing my hands of "Unity".

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NoorFatima Posted Today, 02:39 PM

It escapes me why the Americans would destroy this major Shrine; if they truly wanted to saver the ‘unity’ between Shias and Sunnis; they could have destroyed the Abu Hanifa Mosque since the Sunnis obviously are more impressionable than Shias; not to mention that they are less organized with no central authority to control them unlike the Shias. So a Sunni motivated attack against the Shias or the government due to destroying the Abu Hanifa Mosque would have brought in the wanted result.

I can never think of a situation where the Shia ever provoked the Sunni's. From what I understand they have always retaliated and even then they have exercised restraint. So who would believe the Shia instigated an attack? It would certainly not be believable, especially knowing the Shia would come out and deny any responsibility and condemn the attacks. America is well aware of this.

It escapes me why anyone who is familiar with America's past crimes can still not consider them a realistic possibility that they are behind these bombings in one way or another.

Uninspired Posted Today, 02:39 PM

3 sunni imams have been killed by the sadr militiamen in iraq over this !!!!!

I want to ask the supporters of Moqtada as Sadr here who were posting in favor of peace between the sunni and the shia, what has their honourable leader Sadr done now? He has attacked sunnis and gone against the ruling of Ayatollah Sistani !

Now you ( Sadr lovers ) will hate Sadr for fighting sunnis!

What proof do you have is was Sadr's militia men? And what proof do you have they were given orders from Sadr himself?

What is the ruling of Sistani? And what compels anyone to follow a Marja's rulings when they do not do taqleed to him?

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Honourable brother, Mashalalh for a brave and a brilliant post, but this post of mine was directed at you

There is no disrespect intended, just wanted you to clarify your stance!

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there is no independent source verifying this..this maybe rumour mongering...the spokesman of Al Sadr has already issued to a stmt asking Iraqis not to blame Sunnis as this wil be falling into the trap of enemies...

Might be one or two Al Mahdi soldiers are involved in this but u cannot say Al Sadr is involved ...u always have some mischevious people everyhwere...

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A test put forward by whom? The Americans already know how power our Ayatollahs are; they don’t need to test them. A civil-war torn Iraq cannot possibly be advantages to the Americans; especially if you consider the economic reason behind this invasion; it would simply make no since for the American government to stage a ‘terrorist’ attack against a Shia Shrine. If you also calculate the prospect of an attack on Iran, the Americans want the alliance and assistance of Iraqi Shias, not create a disturbance that can link them to any attack on Shia sites that can lead to a wide scale rebellion.

On the other hand; the Wahabis of Saudi Arabia, who many deem Muslims, have destroyed the Heritage of the Holy Prophet starting with the graves of his wives, direct descendents (the Holy Imams) and the Sahaba. The terrorists in Iraq have attacked our Shrines since the invasion; the Kadhimiya Shrines has been bombed three times over the past three years; the Shrine of Sayedna Salman has been destroyed in the city of Salman-Pak two years ago; how many Sunni shrines have been attacked?

If the Americans wanted a supposed Civil war; they would attack Shrines belonging to both sects to inflame valance; that would make sense. Only those hate the Americans from the get go would delude themselves in drawing a link between this tragedy and the American military.

(salam)

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Honourable bro , instead of accusing sunnis and wahhabis for this, please read an excellent post and understand the situation at hand.

In His Name, the Most High

Salaams

Br NoorFatima; good to talk to you again after a long time; I wish the circumstances were different but ce la vie.

As for your comment that if the Amerikkkans and Zionists were behind this they would have destroyed Masjed al-Aqsa and the Qumbat as-Sakhra (The Dome of the Rock) a long time ago.  I beg to differ.

You see in Palestine; the damaging of al-Aqsa or al-Sakhra would succeed in uniting the entire Palestinian population against the oppresive occupation; where as in Iraq harming a haram; be it Kerbala, Najaf, Kadhimiyyah or al-Askariyyah would - if the right work was done on the ground - succeed in fermenting enough sectarian strife - along with the phantom "terrorists" such as Mr Zarqawi and Co - who in reality are Richard Cheney, George W Bush II, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice and Co (since it is a well known fact that the real Mr Zarqawi was never in Iraq but had been killed long ago); the Zarqawi myth; and the exaggeration of his power; the exaggeration of his "Sunnism" - and his non-existant hatred of the so-called "Shia"; such as having instigators in so-called Shia communities; and other engines in place; such an attack would have an excellent effect.

Examine this situation from the perspective of the Amerikkkan Empire.

1/ The whole world is slowly turning against the Amerikkkan Empire

2/ It's colonial experiment in what is in reality Palestine, has failed; and thankfully; through Allah's infinite grace; HAMAS (The Islamic Resistance Movement) has come to power- through a DEMOCRATIC election - in Occupied Palestine.

3/ HAMAS bears NO ILL WILL towards the Shia; even though it is a Sunni Movement - it's core is Islamic; and it is only Sunni in flavour because the majority of the population of Palestine are from our brethren of the Ahl as-Sunnah.

4/ The cutting of HAMAS's AID by the Amerikkan Empire; and threats of the same from lackeys of the Amerikkkan Empire have been rendered impotent by offers of assistance from various quarters including Islamic Iran.

5/ The Iranian Oil Bourse - which will change the default currency for oil transactions from the United States Dollar to the Euro - to which most of the key OPEC suppliers of crude oil have already subscribed.  Without a backup of Oil; the US Dollar will fail as a currency; ultimately forcing the Federal Reserve - an independent entity outside the US Government - to bankrupt the United States Government in order to pay it's outstanding commitments. 

6/ Threats of "action" against Islamic Iran are being met with skepticism; and with it's forces spread so thinly; the Amerikkkan Empire; along with it's lackeys - such as the Blair Enterprises PLC (formally called Great Britain or the United Kingdom); is unable to engage in a serious assault on Islamic Iran.

7/ Should the Zionist Entity in it's universal stupidity be foolish enough to attack Islamic Iran; it will be in serious trouble; as Iran will not capitulate the way the Tikriti Regime did; since Imam Khamenei(HA); Dr AhmadiNejaad(HA) and the government and people of Islamic Iran are not in the pay of the Amerikkkan Empire.

The cards are stacked against the Amerikkkan Empire.  Fact.

It needs to create a situation which will ferment sectarian strife; not just in Iraq; but globally; and what will do that?  Damage something "Shia" (incidently the haramain in al-Askariyyah are not 'Shia' the are Islamic Places - the Aimmah(A) were not Shia or Sunnah; they are and were Aimmat al-Muslimeen(A) - notice "al-Muslimeen" - very important.

If they make sectarian strife (where they is the Amerikkan Empire and Co) they can make a situation where many of their problems will go away.

Muslims - ALL MUSLIMS - both Shia and Sunni - globally will be pre-occupied with killing each other; in that time; Iraqi Oil will be funnelled to Haifa (for the Zionist Entity) - the pipeline already exists and is constantly blown up by believers who don't want our precious oil being syphoned out to the Zionists for use against our brethren; do some research you will see what I am saying as true; if you have people in Iraq; ask them to go north; near Mosul and Kirkuk; you will see what I am saying as true.

The only - yes ONLY option, that we as Muslims have; is to have patience; and make sure that NO sectarian episode occours.  All the Maraje and Righteous Ulema have clearly stated that this is NOT a sectarian issue; the Leader of the Muslim Ummah, Imam Khamenei(HA) clearly said that this is a "POLICITCAL ISSUE" - created to further the age-old concept of divide and rule.

Please try to understand my respected brethren.

This is important; if we start segmenting; even thru the use of inuendo; the worst will happen; some might want the worst to happen; their judgemnt is with Allah; we on the other hand; want to protect Islam and Muslims (ALL Muslims; Sunni/Shia/Wahhabi/etc/etc); this is our duty.

It is important to realise this, and the faster we do so the better.

Let us recite a fateha for all those martyred today; in Occupied Palestine; Occupied Afghanistan; Occupied Iraq, etc, etc.

With Salaams and Dua's

Shabbir

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Please stop posting against sunnis and stop making the situation worser than it already is. Give me a good justification for attacking the house of Allah over the destruction of one?

This is totally ridiculous, i didn't expect shias who follow mintaq ( logic ) to be behaving like this!

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(bismillah)

I don't understand this. Sunnis were ruling the iraq, with exemplary discipline, organisation and central authority before the invaders attacked iraq.

First of all; those who lost their power would do anything to get it back. Also; I am not blaming the Iraqi Sunni community, I am blaming foreign elements from Wahabi-land and their Ba’athi sponsors.

If sunnis are more impressionable than shias then why do we see houses of Allah , 9 mosques destroyed by the shia militiamen?

Second of all, no news agency has said that ONE Sunni mosque has been demolished; it says that several Sunni mosques have been marked by bullets while three Sunni Imams have been killed by unknown gunman; so your version of the news is alien to me.

(salam)

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Uninspired Posted Today, 02:39 PM

What proof do you have is was Sadr's militia men? And what proof do you have they were given orders from Sadr himself?

What is the ruling of Sistani? And what compels anyone to follow a Marja's rulings when they do not do taqleed to him?

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OK i was watching Sky tv or was it BBC and they were talking about the Shia militiamen behind this, which included Mahdi militia!~

there is no independent source verifying this..this maybe rumour mongering...the spokesman of Al Sadr has already issued to a stmt asking Iraqis not to blame Sunnis as this wil be falling into the trap of enemies...

Might be one or two Al Mahdi soldiers are involved in this but u cannot say Al Sadr is involved ...u always have some mischevious people everyhwere...

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Ok maybe you're right, but i am not certain about this. So you are saying that sunnis were attacking their own mosques? :dry:

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I would like to salute Sheikh Shabbir for his patience; despite repeating the same points over and over again, people still refuse to understand.

May I also add to the several valid points:

-The discord and violence in Iraq will serve as nothing less than a justification for the American presence in Iraq. It will also give them an opportunity to buy themselves a few more Shias (Khalilzad mentioned that America would contribute in rebuilding the shrine. I personally hope that not a single filthy dollar touches our pure shrine. We are prepared to starve if that's what it takes to rebuild it)

-Hamas would never waste explosives in Iraq when they've got the Northern Palestinian occupiers right in front of them. Besides, they have nothing do to with the Iraqi issue, and it is stupid to even suggest that they were involved. As Sheikh Shabbir pointed out, they don't even have the funds at the moment.

-The Iraqi Sunnis have not gained a single thing out of this fiasco. Rather, they have been attacked, and their mosques have also been attacked.

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ok those wahabis are really asking for ia war

there is a line they have SsoSosOSsoSOso crossed it.......

*sigh what is there problem why cant we just live in peace they have there way of life

and we have our own and no matter what you do you will never ever change us

ahlubayt are who we belvie in and we love them and we will stick with them till the

end no matter what ! ! !

and im going to stand up for my belive even if it means im going to stand alone !

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