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Amazing! simply amazing.

you people are power hungry, and give shia'ism a bad name. does shia'ism delete post on exposing evil and tyranny? Is this what Imam Hussain (as) faught for? Did he fight for you to delete my post which have not violated your rules!!

I can't believe that there are still some people who are sooooo dumb. AMERICA WAS NO WAY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE VICIOUS ATTACK TODAY. AMERICA WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ASHURA either. BLAME OMAR and HIS RELIGION.

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A mob changes the govt , as in the iranian revolution and the killing of usman and the incident by umar :sick:

lol, i didnt mean mod !

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Aya. Sistani stated there should be no violence and no attacks on sunni mosques, period!

You decide: Angry mob or Sistani?

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You can't be calling for the protection of the Iraqi Shia and the Shrines in Iraq and forgetting that the system you're calling upon is a corrupt system that has tortured and put under house arrest countless scholars and is in itself a racist system against the people you want it to protect. 

Ask any Iraqi how they're being treated in Iran and they'll let you have it.  Yes, it must be a noble act to attempt to protect the shrines but should they not first show that they have respect for scholars' opinions and their neighbours before inviting them in as liberators?

Israel, the US and every enemy of Islam put together cannot equate the harm and damage that Saddam brought to Iraq.  At least Israel and the US is forced to obey international laws in certain cases - look what Saddam has done.

Let them fix their mistakes - Let them undo all the damage, respect scholars, start treating the Iraqies that are guests in their countries as such and maybe THEN they would be looked upon as an Islamic State to protect the interest of Shias within and abroad.

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All right, then why is it that after the US put Saddam in power and filled his pockets with money and arms in killing the Shii of Iraq and Iran, Iraqis still accepted America's "help" to take out Saddam TWICE.

But a Shia Iran who hasn't done 1% of the harm the US government deliberately did to Iraqis is rejected? And mind you, the scholars who were jailed were mostly Persians, and the treatment of some Iraqis has nothing to do with higher government officials.

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Oh yeah but u r ready to take security from Americans...irony isnt it.??

Ayatollah Seestani has been calling for the occupation to end for years now. What makes you think I want to rely on Kafir protection of any sort? Hence the "ILLEGAL" occupation.

Iraq can protect itself now and I truly believe that given the chance.

It would be a dream and nothing but a dream for Iran and Iraq to work together but let's look at the reality though. Iran would have other ulterior motives putting it's hand in Iraq now other than to just simply protect the shrines or for the good of Shi'ims in the region. This isn't a marry-go-round world anymore where a country would spend millions on their neighbour simply because they're in need without there being other motives.

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What is wrong with you guys; lets not turn this against one another now - The government is also to blame here since they failed to live up to the security measures necessary to protect all Iraqis and the Symbols of Islam. Lets not be hasty in attacking one another; Iraq or Iran will not benefit when you have people switching insults back and forth.

Habibi Ali, Akhi Al-Kareem, we are all upset bas ma fee da3ee to turn this into a flame war; we need to stick together and fight the enemies of Islam (Shiism) online - This is also a propaganda war; we must win it as Shias.

Akhi ya Aba; Allah Yekhaleek wa yer7am waldeek; bas khalas - Lets not all lower ourselves to insults; we are all angry and upset that this has happened; no need to blow at one another.

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Few will listening with this situation. And i agreed with your case.

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All right, then why is it that after the US put Saddam in power and filled his pockets with money and arms in killing the Shii of Iraq and Iran, Iraqis still accepted America's "help" to take out Saddam TWICE.

But a Shia Iran who hasn't done 1% of the harm the US government deliberately did to Iraqis is rejected? And mind you, the scholars who were jailed were mostly Persians, and the treatment of some Iraqis has nothing to do with higher government officials.

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Actually, the US is "occupying" iraq and their help is forced upon the iraqi shias, they wouldn't accept USA's help if the occupation hadn't happened and saddam was ousted by themselves, then iranian help would have been welcomed.

there is no need for persian chauvinism to be displayed, shia islam is above nationalism :D

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Ayatollah Seestani has been calling for the occupation to end for years now.  What makes you think I want to rely on Kafir protection of any sort?  Hence the "ILLEGAL" occupation.

Iraq can protect itself now and I truly believe that given the chance.

It would be a dream and nothing but a dream for Iran and Iraq to work together but let's look at the reality though.  Iran would have other ulterior motives putting it's hand in Iraq now other than to just simply protect the shrines or for the good of Shi'ims in the region.  This isn't a marry-go-round world anymore where a country would spend millions on their neighbour simply because they're in need without there being other motives.

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Iran's interests in Iraq are paralleled with Iraqi Shia's interests .. giving Shias maximum power possible.

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It would be a dream and nothing but a dream for Iran and Iraq to work together but let's look at the reality though. Iran would have other ulterior motives putting it's hand in Iraq now other than to just simply protect the shrines or for the good of Shi'ims in the region. This isn't a marry-go-round world anymore where a country would spend millions on their neighbour simply because they're in need without there being other motives.

Exactly, that's why relatives of Imam Hussayn like mr Abdullah ibn abbas and Muhammed ibn Hanafiya didn't take part in karbala battle :sick:

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People who were trying to defend the Wahabi from any blaim and wanted unity with them - These news items are for you so you all can open your eyes and decide if you still want to unite with your brothers killers....

Al-Zarqawi declares war on Iraqi Shia

Wednesday 14 September 2005, 22:37 Makka Time, 19:37 GMT  

Iraq's al-Qaida leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has declared "all-out war" on Shia Muslims in Iraq in response to a US-Iraqi offensive on the town of Tal Afar, according to an audio clip posted on the internet.

"The al-Qaeda Organisation in the Land of Two Rivers (Iraq) is declaring all-out war on the Rafidha (a pejorative term for Shia), wherever they are in Iraq," said the voice which could not be immediately verified but sounded like previous recordings attributed to al-Zarqawi. 

"As for the government, servants of the crusaders headed by Ibrahim al-Jaafari, they have declared a war on Sunnis in Tal Afar," the clip added.

Islamic militant tries to expand rift between Shia and Sunni, but he may not find the same level of hatred in Iraq

AMMAN, Jordan -- Over the past week, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other Islamic militants operating in Iraq appear to have shifted their focus almost entirely against the country's Shia majority in a bid to widen the sectarian divide between Shias and Sunnis.

On Friday, suicide bombers attacked a Shia mosque in Baghdad and a wedding party south of the capital, killing 22 people and injuring dozens. The attacks came a day after an Islamist Web site posted an audiotape of al-Zarqawi in which he described Iraq's most revered Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, as "the devil" and the "imam of the infidels."

Another News Item

The presumed head of Tawhid wal Jihad (Unity and Jihad), the group supposedly responsible for a string of atrocities in Iraq including the videotaped decapitation of American Nicholas Berg and the ruthless killing of Shia pilgrims, has become the West’s new poster boy of international terrorism.

Kano Shias Under Wahabi Threat

Since Malam Ibrahim Shekarau assumed office as the third civilian governor of Kano state on May 29, 2003 shia followers in this Sunni-dominated city have been under threat of attack from blood thirsty Wahabis that have taken control of machinery of government.

Although it has become common to hear voices of hatred-filled Wahabi imams legitimizing the shedding of shi'i blood emanating from loudspeakers of Saudi-sponsored and state-assisted mosques, the state government has done nothing to bring these bellicose elements to order. Instead the government openly encourages these utterances and is gradually paving way for these Wahabis to actualize the massacre of shias in this city and by extension the whole country.

Who are Wahabis

The Shia practice of visiting shrines is an example of a popular practice. The Shia continued to revere the Imams even after their death and so visited their graves to ask favors of the Imams buried there. Over time, Shia scholars rationalized the practice and it became established. Some of the Arab tribes came to attribute the same sort of power that the Shia recognized in the tomb of an Imam to natural objects such as trees and rocks.

Mohammad ibn Abd al Wahhab was concerned with the way the people of Najd engaged in practices he considered polytheistic, such as praying to saints; making pilgrimages to tombs and special mosques; venerating trees, caves, and stones; and using votive and sacrificial offerings. He was also concerned by what he viewed as a laxity in adhering to Islamic law and in performing religious devotions, such as indifference to the plight of widows and orphans, adultery, lack of attention to obligatory prayers, and failure to allocate shares of inheritance fairly to women. When Mohammad ibn Abd al Wahhab began to preach against these breaches of Islamic laws, he characterized customary practices as jahiliya, the same term used to describe the ignorance of Arabs before the Prophet.

Mohammad ibn Abd al Wahhab focused on the Muslim principle that there is only one God, and that God does not share his power with anyone -- not Imams, and certainly not trees or rocks. From this unitarian principle, his students began to refer to themselves as Muwahhidun (unitarians). Their detractors referred to them as "Wahabis"--or "followers of Mohammad ibn Abd al Wahhab," which had a pejorative connotation. The idea of a unitary God was not new. Mohammad ibn Abd al Wahhab, however, attached political importance to it. He directed his attack against the Shia.

Fatwa issued by sunnis against Shias

Sunnis who have atested the fatwa

Main Personalities:

Mufti Wali Hassan

Jamia-ul-Uloom Islamia, Karachi

 

Senator Mulana Sami-ul-Haq

Head of Dar-ul-Haqannia, Akora Khattak, Peshawer

Senator, Government of Pakistan

 

Mulana Abdul Haq

Member Pakistan National Assembly,

Government of Pakistan

 

Mohammad Malik Kandahlvi

Member Islami Nazaryati Council

 

Hafiz Hussain Ahmad

Member Balochistan Assembly,

Government of Pakistan

 

Qazi Abdul Latif Kalachawi

Dar-ul-Uloom Devbund

Senator, Government of Pakistan

 

Muhammad Ajmal Qadri,

(Khateeb) Imam Badshahi Mosque

 

Muhammad Abdul Sattar Tonsovi

President Tanzeem Ahle Sunnat Pakistan

 

Sheikh Abdullah Abdul Aziz

Grand Mufti Saudi Arabia

Religious Decree details ...

the Religious Decree ...

" Shias are Kafir and they should be treated as non-muslims"

Mufti-e-Azam Pakistan Maulana Wali Hasan's Fatwa

"Shia Ithna Ashari are Rafzi (deviated) Kafirs (infidels). Marriages between Muslims and Shias are haram (forbidden). Muslims should not attend their funerals. Their sect is deviated and burying them in Muslim graveyards is haram. Hence, they should be treated as non-Muslims."

(8th Safar, 1407 Hijri. Mufti Wali Hasan of Jamia Al Alomia Al Islamia, Karachi)

Member Nation Assembly, Maulana Abdul Haq of Dar-ul-Uloom Haqaniya, Akora Khattak, Peshawar's verification of Mufti's fatwa.

"Hazrat Maulana Mufti Wali Hasan, Mufti-e-Azam Pakistan, is our Imam (leader) in the issue of jurispudance. And we follow his fatwas (religious edicts), therefore, there is no need of verifying this fatwa since his fatwa is an order and proof on all the scholars of Deoband. I am signing this paper under his instructions, otherwise Mufti's signature is good enough for us. May Allah (SWT) accept this Jihad by Moulana Mohammed Manzoor Noumani and Mufti-e-Azam Pakistan, Wali Hasan, for they realized the sensitiveness of the issue and stopped the disease from turning into cancer for the Muslim ummah. I would help Mufti Hasan as a humble servant in this struggle and Jihad, and may Allah (SWT) accept this effort."

Maulana Abdul Haq of Dara-ul-Uloom Haqaniya Akora Khattak, Member National Assembly of Pakistan)

Senator Sami-ul-Haq's verification of Mufti's fatwa

"I agree with Muft-e-Azam Pakistan's, Maulana Hasan's fatwa. There is no doubt that this sect is apostate and marrying them is haram."

(Mohammed Farid, Mufti and teacher at Dar-ul-Uloom Haqaniya, Akora Khattak)

(Senator Sami-ul-Haq, deputy administrator and teacher at Dar-ul-Uloom Haqaniya, Akora Khattak)

Senator Qazi Abdul Lateef's verification of Mufti's fatwa

Madressa Najam-ul-Madaris Kulachi, Dera Ismail Khan

"Hazrat Mufti-e-Azam Pakistan Wali Hasan's fatwa against Shias was carefully studied by me. This fatwa is correct, but sadly, making it public was delayed. May Allah (SWT) forgive us."

(Qazi Abdul Kareem of Madressa najam-ul-Madaris, Kulachi)

(Senator Qazi Abdul Lateef, fazil Dar-ul-Uloom Deoband)

Summary of the fatwas of Ulema and Mashaikh

"Shias are Kafirs (infidels). There is no doubt in their infidelity. Boycotting Shias is the duty of every devotee of the Prophet. (excerpt from "Iqra Digest" Post Box No. 2374 Nizamabad, Karachi."

Demand

"We demand that Shias should be declared a non-Muslim minority on the basis of their infidel beliefs and their entry into Mecca and Madina should be banned."

MORE FATWAS

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NOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS - PLS TELL ME HOW ON EARTH CAN THERE BE UNITY WITH PEOPLE WHO DECLARE US AS NON MUSLIMS ?

SHABBIRH WANTS US TOUNITE WITH THOSE WHO OPENLY DECLARE THAT SHIAS ARE WAJIB UL QATL - Does that not make him an anti shia supporter ?

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You can't be calling for the protection of the Iraqi Shia and the Shrines in Iraq and forgetting that the system you're calling upon is a corrupt system that has tortured and put under house arrest countless scholars and is in itself a racist system against the people you want it to protect.

Your calling the only Muslim state that advocates and protects the message of the Ahlul-Bayt corrupt and racist? Subhanallah. Todays tradegy represents the stupidity of those who supported and relied on the occupation. Perhaps its time for them to realize who the real enemies are.

Ask any Iraqi how they're being treated in Iran and they'll let you have it.  Yes, it must be a noble act to attempt to protect the shrines but should they not first show that they have respect for scholars' opinions and their neighbours before inviting them in as liberators?

Your accusations based on generalizations and second-hand accounts only reveals your deep resentment towards the Islamic republic. Nothing more.

Israel, the US and every enemy of Islam put together cannot equate the harm and damage that Saddam brought to Iraq.  At least Israel and the US is forced to obey international laws in certain cases - look what Saddam has done.

You must have short-term memory not to realize that it was the U.S who funded and supported Saddam, allowing him full access to continue his campaign against the Shia. The ironic part is that during the Iran-Iraq war many 'Shia brothers' chose to fight with Saddam against Iran. This type of mentality is truely represented here as well. Its amazing to see the way the Islamic Republic is being insulted and slandered with baseless accusations even by fellow Shias.

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All right, then why is it that after the US put Saddam in power and filled his pockets with money and arms in killing the Shii of Iraq and Iran, Iraqis still accepted America's "help" to take out Saddam TWICE.

But a Shia Iran who hasn't done 1% of the harm the US government deliberately did to Iraqis is rejected? And mind you, the scholars who were jailed were mostly Persians, and the treatment of some Iraqis has nothing to do with higher government officials.

So wait, because the scholars that were put in jail, or attacked during their procession, or burried in the wrong grave were "persians" then this is an Iran issue and other shias, let's say Iraq, should not interfere?

That's sort of a double standard here isn't it that Iran can interfere when Shias in Iraq are being wronged but Iraqies cant call for justice for Shias in Iran being wronged and abused?

As for your 91 issue, the Shias of Iraq would make a deal with the devil himself to get rid of Saddam if they could. Now that he's gone, better decisions can be made. Like I stated before, Saddam isn't Israel or US. Saddam brought tyranny to a new level. No even the revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini (ra) would have been successful in Iraq if it were to take place there. We were simply dealing with a different sort of animal that only a foreign super power with all their bells and whistles can take down. Non of this internal revolution stuff would have worked in Iraq.

For crying out loud, to this day we're still asking ourselves, where is Al-Sadr?

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Your calling the only Muslim state that advocates and protects the message of the Ahlul-Bayt corrupt and racist? Subhanallah. Todays tradegy represents the stupidity of those who supported and relied on the occupation. Perhaps its time for them to realize who the real enemies are.

Your accusations based on generalizations and second-hand accounts only reveals your deep resentment towards the Islamic republic. Nothing more.

You must have short-term memory not to realize that it was the U.S who funded and supported Saddam, allowing him full access to continue his campaign against the Shia. The ironic part is that during the Iran-Iraq war many 'Shia brothers' chose to fight with Saddam against Iran. This type of mentality is truely represented here as well. Its amazing to see the way the Islamic Republic is being insulted and slandered with baseless accusations even by fellow Shias.

I have no problem with the Islamic republic and never had - It's still the best we have. I have major issues with entities within the Islamic republic that the republic itself cannot control. Let's not make this into a different debate all together.

I would kiss the hands and feet of Ayat. Khamanai and would kiss the forehead of Ahmadijan if I could as I know they're not guilty of any of the crimes that have been committed in their country against certain people. The republic, although it has its faults, is still the best we've got. But until it has perfected itself from within can it gain the respect and appreciation of those from without so that they can truly be looked upon as an Islamic state by the Shia for the Shia regardless of origin or background.

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I still think the "dumbest post award" on this thread goes to YaAba3abdillah so far for this comment:

Maybe Iran should fix it's own issues such as prostitution and drugs before embarking on saving Iraq.  Last thing we want to see in Iraq is more censorship and house arrests of our scholars. 

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How those issues have anything to do with protecting a masjid is beyond me. Iran is without question more able and better fit to to protect our places of worship. Id rather leave it to them then our Iraqi brothers who for example stand around and stick their fingers up their nose while a man who is supposed to be their leader AKA Imam Sadr is killed.

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So wait, because the scholars that were put in jail, or attacked during their procession, or burried in the wrong grave were "persians" then this is an Iran issue and other shias, let's say Iraq, should not interfere?

That's sort of a double standard here isn't it that Iran can interfere when Shias in Iraq are being wronged but Iraqies cant call for justice for Shias in Iran being wronged and abused?

As for your 91 issue, the Shias of Iraq would make a deal with the devil himself to get rid of Saddam if they could.  Now that he's gone, better decisions can be made.  Like I stated before, Saddam isn't Israel or US.  Saddam brought tyranny to a new level.  No even the revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini (ra) would have been successful in Iraq if it were to take place there.   We were simply dealing with a different sort of animal that only a foreign super power with all their bells and whistles can take down.  Non of this internal revolution stuff would have worked in Iraq.

For crying out loud, to this day we're still asking ourselves, where is Al-Sadr?

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No you see you've been trying to make things Iranian and Iraqi issues, and my point of this was that your argument of scholars dosen't even work here since the scholars in question were Persian. And I WILL NOT turn this into another Shirazi debate. I think Sayyid Saadiq (HA) has handled this situation extremely well and we should leave it to his hands.

Secondly, "deal with the Devil?". You see this is the problem and double standards being used here. No one can be simple minded enough to think that you can make a deal with the Devil and just let him walk away simply like that.

What are the double standards here again? You are ready to accept help from the DEVIL .... YET you are rejecting Shia help. A group of Shia who haven't done 1% of the disrespect, humiliation and evil that the US and UK have done to Iraq. Did you even forget who put Sunnis to power in the first place in Iraq in the 1920s? Seriously, double standards ... double standards!!

We are Shii bros and was HAVE to stick together. Yes some elements of Iran's government haven't been angels (and i condemn them) but so have some shias from Iraq and Lebanon or wherever. We can't let this stuff blind us from our own brotherhood. If we can't hold hands now, what do you think the Nawasib and Imperialists are going to do to us? We need to be united and strong and protect and fight for the honor of Ahl ul Bait (as).

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So wait, because the scholars that were put in jail, or attacked during their procession, or burried in the wrong grave were "persians" then this is an Iran issue and other shias, let's say Iraq, should not interfere?

That's sort of a double standard here isn't it that Iran can interfere when Shias in Iraq are being wronged but Iraqies cant call for justice for Shias in Iran being wronged and abused?

As for your 91 issue, the Shias of Iraq would make a deal with the devil himself to get rid of Saddam if they could.  Now that he's gone, better decisions can be made.  Like I stated before, Saddam isn't Israel or US.  Saddam brought tyranny to a new level.  No even the revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini (ra) would have been successful in Iraq if it were to take place there.  We were simply dealing with a different sort of animal that only a foreign super power with all their bells and whistles can take down.  Non of this internal revolution stuff would have worked in Iraq.

For crying out loud, to this day we're still asking ourselves, where is Al-Sadr?

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Dont worry bro... only an Iraqi would understand what you meant. Lets focus on the more important issue of today and leave these side discussions for now.

We dont want to be arguing while Imam Mahdi (ajtfs) is grieving!

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AIM Statement: Disaster befalls Household of the Prophet

In His Name the Most High

All praise is due to Allah, Lord of the Worlds; and may the blessings of Allah be upon the most perfect of mankind – Muhammed (p) and upon his pure Progeny (p).

“Say: I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives”

[Holy Quran 42:23]

On Wednesday 22nd February, the faith of Shia Islam was yet again attacked in what is the most severe of recent assaults. The shrine of the 10th and 11th holy Imams and sons of the Prophet Muhammed (p) was struck resulting in extensive damage to the golden dome and burial site in Sammara, Iraq. The shrine of Imam Ali Al-Hadi and Imam Hassan Al-Askari is revered by the worlds’ Muslims and in particular the 300 million Shia Muslims as one of the most sacred sites of Islam.

We hereby offer our condolences to the master of our time and son of he who was targeted on this black day; Imam Al-Mahdi (may our lives be at his ransom).

Those who have carried out these attacks have clearly shown neither regard for the holiness of these sites nor any resemblance of Islamic values. This attack is a continuation of the distorted plot that has for hundreds of years brought bloodshed and oppression in the name of fabricated Islam. We must reiterate that those who carried out these attacks are not Muslim; rather they have attacked the shrines of those that founded and protected Islam from distortion.

With the shrine of our holy Imams being attacked in such a heinous way, it becomes very apparent that the occupation forces are not carrying out any service in the interests of Iraq. On this note, the AhlulBayt Islamic Mission (AIM) reiterates its demand for the withdrawal of occupation forces from Iraq. It is clear these occupation forces have failed in their promises to provide security and stability, rather they have poured more fuel on the fire by their despicable acts against Iraqi citizens as demonstrated in Abu Ghraib prison and more recently in Basra.

Furthermore, the American ambassador in Baghdad has recently compromised the judgment of the Iraqi people by imposing conditions in the selection of members who should form the new Iraqi government. He has also interestingly proposed for ‘certain non-elected figures’ to assume positions in government; a classical antithesis of the very democratic principles that are currently being preached to humanity.

We believe that at this critical and distressing stage, it is essential for all Muslims and Iraqis in particular to maintain patience and refrain from actions that will contribute to sectarian discord, as this will only serve to promote the interests of the perpetrators.

AIM would also like to urge the Muslims to heed to the instructions of the Shia Religious Authorities (Al-Marja’iyyah) in exercising restraint during these turbulent times.

Finally and most importantly, this direct attack emphasises the need for the Muslim community to adhere to the advice of Imam Ali (p) in his last words where he urged for excelling in piety and organisation of affairs.

The Holy Qur’an testifies

“and they devised plans and Allah too had arranged a plan; and Allah is the best of planners”.

Wa min Allah al-Tawfiq.

AhlulBayt Islamic Mission

23rd Muharram 1427

22nd February 2006

http://www.aimislam.com

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Secondly, "deal with the Devil?". You see this is the problem and double standards being used here. No one can be simple minded enough to think that you can make a deal with the Devil and just let him walk away simply like that.

What are the double standards here again? You are ready to accept help from the DEVIL .... YET you are rejecting Shia help. A group of Shia who haven't done 1% of the disrespect, humiliation and evil that the US and UK have done to Iraq.

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Dont forget to mention the supposed '91 "uprising". Their Shia brothers came to the outskirts of Basra to try and get them to get rid of Saddam...their own scholars (Imam Hakim) faught in the 8 year holy defense and asked them to rise, and what was their result? Yet all the US has to do is say "go rise and well help" they do double-flips and obey command.

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Shia shrine bombing triggers reprisals in Iraq

Mosques attacked; three clerics among seven Sunnis killed; Shias blame US; White House, UN chief condemn; seven-day mourning in Iran

SAMARRA, Iraq: Insurgents detonated bombs inside one of Iraq’s holiest Shia shrines on Wednesday, destroying its golden dome and triggering more than 60 reprisal attacks on Sunni mosques.

The president warned that extremists were pushing the country toward civil war, as many Shias lashed out at the United States as partly to blame. As the gold dome of the 1,200-year-old Askariya shrine lay in ruins, leaders on both sides called for calm. But the string of back-and-forth attacks seemed to push the country closer to all-out civil war than at any point in the three years since the US-led overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

"We are facing a major conspiracy that is targeting Iraq’s unity," said President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd. "We should all stand hand in hand to prevent the danger of a civil war."

US Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad and the top American commander in Iraq also warned it was a "critical moment for Iraq" and called the bombings a deliberate attempt to create sectarian tension. They promised the US would contribute to the shrine’s reconstruction.

In one ominous sign of how Shias may react, Iraq’s top Shia cleric and the country’s vice-president hinted that local armed militias might play a bigger role in security in future, if the government can’t protect such holy shrines.

After the attacks, one top Shia political leader accused Khalilzad of sharing some responsibility for the bombing of the shrine because of his stance on the future government.

"These statements ... gave green lights to terrorist groups. And, therefore, he shares in part of the responsibility," said the official, Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, head of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq and the former commander of its militia. The president said the brazen assault on the shrine seemed aimed at destroying the talks. The Askariya shrine contains the tombs of two revered Shia Imams.

No group claimed responsibility for the 6.55am assault on the shrine in Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad, carried out by insurgents posing as police. But suspicion fell on Sunni extremist groups, and a government statement said "several suspects" had been detained.

In the hours after the bombing, Shia protesters attacked dozens of Sunni mosques throughout Iraq on Wednesday in retaliation for the bombing, witnesses and political groups said.

At least seven people, including three clerics, were killed in the attacks, the Iraqi Islamic Party, the country’s largest Sunni political group, said, adding at least 90 mosques were attacked, burned or taken over by Shias.

They included more than 50 in Baghdad alone, three of which were destroyed with explosives, the party said. The rest were in predominantly Shia areas on the capital’s southern outskirts and in Iraq’s southern provinces.

Armed Shias attacked the mosques with automatic rifles and rocket-propelled grenades, holding Sunnis after taking over some of them, the party said. At least two Sunni clerics were shot and killed outside mosques in Baghdad and the southern city of Basra, police said.

Another cleric was abducted from his vehicle in Baghdad, police 1st Lt. Thayer Mahmoud said. Shias took over more than 40 Sunni mosques, hoisting banners with new names over the sites, said Muthanna Harith al-Dhari, a spokesman for the influential Sunni Association of Muslim Scholars. Followers of radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose Mahdi Army militia took a major part in Wednesday’s attacks, said four of their supporters were killed and dozens wounded in a series of clashes with mosque guards.

About 500 soldiers were sent to Sunni neighbourhoods in Baghdad to prevent clashes between Shias and Sunnis, and a leading Sunni politician, Tariq al-Hashimi, urged clerics and politicians to calm the situation "before it spins out of control."

The Sunni clerical Association of Muslim Scholars called the bombing a "criminal act," while the Sunni Endowment, a government organisation that cares for Sunni mosques and shrines, said it was sending a delegation to Samarra to investigate what happened.

Al-Sistani, the top Shia cleric, sent instructions to his followers forbidding attacks on Sunni mosques, especially the major ones in Baghdad. He called for seven days of mourning, his aides said. But he later hinted Iraqi Vice President Adil Abdul-Mahdi that religious militias could be given a bigger security role if the government is not capable of protecting holy shrines.

Shia leaders in surrounding countries, including Iran’s most influential cleric body, the Qom Shia Seminary, also responded quickly. Large protests erupted in Shia parts of Baghdad and in cities throughout the Shia heartland to the south.

In Basra, Shia militants traded rifle and rocket-propelled grenade fire with guards at the office of the Sunni-led Iraqi Islamic Party. Smoke billowed from the building. Shia protesters later set fire to a Sunni shrine containing the seventh century tomb of Talha bin Obeid-Allah on the outskirts of the southern city, but there was no immediate word on the extent of the damage or any casualties.

Police found nine bodies of Sunnis, most of them shot in the head, in two neighbourhoods of Basra, according to a police official who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of militia reprisals.

Protesters in Najaf, Kut and Baghdad’s Shia slum of Sadr City also marched through the streets by the hundreds and thousands, many shouting anti-American and anti-Israeli slogans and burning those nations’ flags.

Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei ordered seven days of national mourning in Iran on Wednesday. Khamenei pointed the finger at Washington over the bombing but called on Iraq’s newly empowered Shia majority not to resort to revenge attacks against the ousted Sunni Arab elite.

He called on Iraqi Shias to avoid attacking Sunni mosques in order not to "help the enemies of Islam". Meanwhile, United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan expressed shock and sadness on Wednesday following the bombing of a revered Shia shrine in Iraq.

"The secretary-general was deeply shocked and saddened to learn of the bombing of the holy shrine in Samarra this morning," a spokesman for Annan said in a statement. The United States on Wednesday denounced the bombing of a Shia shrine in Iraq and offered to "do all in our power" to help hunt down those responsible.

"The United States condemns this cowardly act in the strongest possible terms. The terrorists continue to show that they are enemies of all faiths and of all humanity," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

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Dont worry bro... only an Iraqi would understand what you meant. Lets focus on the more important issue of today and leave these side discussions for now.

We dont want to be arguing while Imam Mahdi (ajtfs) is grieving!

I agree with the above. I've said comments that I shouldn't have seeing the current situation but one can't help but respond to some of these ideas floating around where people outside of Iraq think they know what sort cancer Iraq had with Saddam in power vs this occupation.

Yazid the Saddam of his time killed Imam Hussein (as) and the OCCUPATION of Islam to THIS DAY remains to be in the hands of Yazeed and his cronies. They expect the helpless Iraqies to end the chain of crime today when no one was able to end it for over a 1000 years.

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My condolences to everyone here. Today is indeed a sad day for us. I wish that we can take out our anger and anguish by killing few Sunnis or bomb the hell out of their mosque...but regrettably we cannot do that because we are Shia. And being Shia means we cannot put ourselves to the same level of the wahhabi dogs that did this.

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My condolences to everyone here. Today is indeed a sad day for us. I wish that we can take out our anger and anguish by killing few Sunnis or bomb the hell out of their mosque...but regrettably we cannot do that because we are Shia. And being Shia means we cannot put ourselves to the same level of the wahhabi dogs that did this.

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Inna Lillahi wa Inna Ilayhi Rajioon.

Sis Zareen,

I don't think you should even wish for that, despite our anger and pain. That would mean hurting people who are probably innocent and most likely had no involvement in this bombing. That's not the way. And you're right, we're Shia, so we cannot and should not stoop to such a level.

:( *sigh*

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I agree with the above.  I've said comments that I shouldn't have seeing the current situation but one can't help but respond to some of these ideas floating around where people outside of Iraq think they know what sort cancer Iraq had with Saddam in power vs this occupation.

Yazid the Saddam of his time killed Imam Hussein (as) and the OCCUPATION of Islam to THIS DAY remains to be in the hands of Yazeed and his cronies. They expect the helpless Iraqies to end the chain of crime today when no one was able to end it for over a 1000 years.

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After all the blood shed and all the martyrs given by Iraq and then to have our own fellow shias accuse us of not doing enough is extremely painful. Let them say what they like. It is Allah (swt) and the Imams who we beg for forgiveness for any shortcomings.

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Ayatollah Seestani has been calling for the occupation to end for years now.  What makes you think I want to rely on Kafir protection of any sort?  Hence the "ILLEGAL" occupation.

Oh yeah calling it ILLEGAL and asking their help to fight insurgency....What kind if illegality u r calling abt ?

It would be a dream and nothing but a dream for Iran and Iraq to work together but let's look at the reality though. 

And Imam Mahdi(AS) will wave his magic wand and everyone will fall in love...brother it is our responsibility to believe in the dream and make it true...

As for your 91 issue, the Shias of Iraq would make a deal with the devil himself to get rid of Saddam if they could.  Now that he's gone, better decisions can be made.  Like I stated before, Saddam isn't Israel or US.  Saddam brought tyranny to a new level. 

If only u cud fear Allah more than Saddam then results wud have been different...Brother u r forgetting one Ayat from Quran: "Verily Allah is with the people who persevere"....

No even the revolution of Ayatollah Khomeini (ra) would have been successful in Iraq if it were to take place there.  We were simply dealing with a different sort of animal that only a foreign super power with all their bells and whistles can take down.  Non of this internal revolution stuff would have worked in Iraq.

Oh yes a Kafir power can defeat Saddam but Shias with reliance on Allah alone cannot....

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(salam)

My condolences to everyone here. Today is indeed a sad day for us. I wish that we can take out our anger and anguish by killing few Sunnis or bomb the hell out of their mosque...but regrettably we cannot do that because we are Shia. And being Shia means we cannot put ourselves to the same level of the wahhabi dogs that did this.

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-Wishing to kill anyone is not good. The same applies with bombing mosques.

-You shouldn't point the finger at anyone. Only Allah (swt) knows who was responsible for this terrible tragedy.

And if you want to point the finger at anyone. It's the government to blame. They know Iraq is never safe, and they failed to protect the shrine.

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Again i cant say this enough but we need to STAY CALM STAY CALM STAY CALM AND STAY CALM!!!!

FIRST we have to take control of the situation, find out what happened THEN punish those who did it.

You people who talk of wanting to attack sunnis and their mosques (astaghfurallah) need to stop that mentality. Do you realise how haram your words are, your are talking about the houses of God (swt). You do not punish innocent people for the acts of a few. Otherwise we all would have been punished after 9/11.

Its not even certain that it was the sunnis who did it.

ANYONE could have been behind this JUST HAVE PATIENCE.

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Again i cant say this enough but we need to STAY CALM STAY CALM STAY CALM AND STAY CALM!!!!

FIRST we have to take control of the situation, find out what happened THEN punish those who did it.

You people who talk of wanting to attack sunnis and their mosques (astaghfurallah) need to stop that mentality. Do you realise how haram your words are, your are talking about the houses of God (swt). You do not punish innocent people for the acts of a few. Otherwise we all would have been punished after 9/11.

Its not even certain that it was the sunnis who did it.

ANYONE could have been behind this JUST HAVE PATIENCE.

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spread your religion of terror somewhere else. we will not let you people hurt us anymore.

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After all the blood shed and all the martyrs given by Iraq and then to have our own fellow shias accuse us of not doing enough is extremely painful. Let them say what they like. It is Allah (swt) and the Imams who we beg for forgiveness for any shortcomings.

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We are very sorry if we hurt u and we dont have the intention of discrediting the blood of martyrs but calling a country, fascist and corrupt which has given Shias some dignity in this world and is fighting the super powers alone is equally painful...

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