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i think the whole mut3a discussin will be concluded in surat al nisa3:ayah 25

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[Yusufali 4:25] If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

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brother.... why are you so focused on helping "unfortunate women"..... i am sister and I have friends who are divorced....trust me .. we do okay even without the help of brothers like you... stop acti

I'm sorry brother but you need growing up to do. You aren't living in stone age where women can't hunt and dependant on men. As a part of your growing up you'll realise that some divorced women aren't

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Salam.

Couldn;t have said it better myself. I could see why in my community, everyone looks down upon Mut'a and those who do it. I can almost say that most people see Mut'a worst than masturbation because of the way it's being misused today.

Then again, when you give such a big opportunity for a young hormone-filled teenager, how would they know when to control themselves and hold back or go for it because they "need" it.

I think our scholars have done very little in explaining this to our youth. Alot of youths these days do it simply because it's "halal". I seriously think Ulama should place some sort of a restriction or a side note with their fatwa's. Especialyl those who say it's allowed for virgins and without parent's permissions, who seem to attract many of today's youths.

can i just what exactly is muta and what is its purpose, also if you need 2 do it would u have 2 get an ullama or could u do it urself?

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In Islam our concept of marriage is different than the western concept. Marriage is seen as something made halal by the contract of aqd, whether for 80 years or for 1 day...its still considered halal. It really took me a while to realize this

Inshallah we'll be able to drop this western concept of marriage and instead turn towards the islamic model. So all those concepts of right and wrong should go in the trash and we should only turn to allahs judgement to see what is right and wrong. By doing this we can insure that we aren't mixing culture with the pure deen of islam, which is more and more becoming the norm among muslims

Alhamdullilahe rabel alameen

what is the contract of aqd?

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Sahra i will give you a comprehensive answer

my answer would be that the first step she should do is to make an islamic contract (perminant or temporary) with the man if he is a good and religiuos man .

this contract is allowed to be done both in secret or public but mustahab to be public. this contract is in order to avoid sins and is compulsary on two ajnabies who meet or even just talk.

the scholars differ in openion about the nessesity of the fathers consent for marriage so each individual should follow thier own scholar (or her own ijtihad if she herself is mujtahid in this issue).

many say the consent of the father is compulsary for a virgin girl regardless how old she is , wether she is baligh or not and wether she is rashid or not and this goes for both temporary and perminant contracts.

baligh= sexual matuarity

rashid= understands to manage her own life in a good way (responsible)

sayyed mohamad hussain fadlallah says the rashid doesnt need the fathers consent to contract marriage (perminant or temporary). also sayed mohamad sadiq alsadr is on this openion if am not wrong

now regardless of which one she follows they all agree that if the father opposes the marriage for invalid reasons then he has commited "othool" wether the propused marriage is temporary or perminant.

if he commits "othool" then his "wylayah" automaticly collapses and he has no authority over her and she doesnt have to get his consent for marriage.

(note: this is the openion if sayed khomayny and gulpaygany if my memory is not tricking me but i am pretty sure they all agree on this)

othool happens if his reason for opposing the marriage is invalid for example if he opposes the marriage and says " no not now just stay engaged now" and he says that for no reason then he has commited othool

or for example if he says " dont marry this guy he is fat or he is black or white or he is already married or he is divorced"

things like this are called othool

also if he disagrees because he is against mut3a then thats also called othool and those type of dads have no authority oiver the dawghter.

please go and fix this huge misconception in the socity about understandinig the conditions of the fathers wylayah

his wylayah would be valid if for example he is telling her "no dont marry this guy this guy drinks or this guy doesnt pray or some thing liek this"

because the prophet said " whoever came to you and you like his religioun and manners then marry him "

alslam alaikum

so if a shia girl married a sunni guy and her father told her not 2 marry him would he be committing othool?

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some girls have told me they were sleeping around cuz they felt like it and their excuse was muta...

thats nice to hear that islam has loop holes for the floozies of our community

its a nice way to spread plenty of diseases and create a lot of perversion among the girls and guys

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I Am Sorry for delaying the answer brother Ali Haqq

i have scanned the fatwa of Marja3 Abulqasim alkhoie from the book of (Minhaj alsaleheen second book) and I attached the picture below (first picture) and will translate it for you inshallah

the first picture below where i underlined with red is saying:

Alkhoie:

and its a condition when marrying a virgin to take the permission of her Wali (who is the dad or the grandfather from the dad's side) on an obligatory precaution Except if the Wali prevented her from marrying the one who is considered suitable by religion and 3orf then his Authority Over her is nullified in that case

Fadlallah and shahroodi and some others (mohamad alsadr as well i think) they don't require the permission of the wali for the virgin if she was Rashid

The second picture below is a fatwa for shahroodi taken from this link:

http://hozeh.tebyan.net/Html/estefta/shahr...D2%C7%E4%ED%C9:

i will translate the fatwa in the second picture:

Shahroodi:

Question: is it permissible to marry the virgin by temporary marriage without the permission of her Wali? and what is the rule for the girl if she was from the sunies or from ahlulkitab?

Answer: if she was Baligha (mature) and reasonable and Rashida where she knows her benefit from her harm then the more obvious is the permissibility but to be on precaution avoid this action and the same goes for the sunnie and ahlulkitab.

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Obviously, mutah with a virgin is haram and no sane parent would give permission for his virgin daughter. As for those who have divorced or widowed, to engage in mutah with them is a favor not only for oneself but also for the women, it is hard for a non-virgin to get married again, and they like the rest of women need a man. so there main hope is mutah, but of course the really beautiful ones get married again permanently (very small proportion). 

 

So I would do it because I need it, and so does every other man. But even if I didn't need it I would still do it because it is a favor for the women. by doing it you are helping an unfortunate women away from sin, gives happiness for the man and the women. it is also a good act, and this world is a place for us to secure a goodly loan so that we may enter paradise through it.

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But even if I didn't need it I would still do it because it is a favor for the women. by doing it you are helping an unfortunate women away from sin, gives happiness for the man and the women.

I'm sorry brother but you need growing up to do.

You aren't living in stone age where women can't hunt and dependant on men.

As a part of your growing up you'll realise that some divorced women aren't unfortunate but most men who seek mutah are.

Do not fool yourself with executing noble act of mutah as if this is only means of entering paradise.

There are Shia at war, seek jihad if paradise is what you seek.

For 20 years and one day old there is too much of mutah in your head.

Though it is something halal, I feel your constant and only mutah focused discussions will sure get you mutah poster boy title soon.

May Allah guide you in other directions too

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I'm sorry brother but you need growing up to do.

You aren't living in stone age where women can't hunt and dependant on men.

As a part of your growing up you'll realise that some divorced women aren't unfortunate but most men who seek mutah are.

Do not fool yourself with executing noble act of mutah as if this is only means of entering paradise.

There are Shia at war, seek jihad if paradise is what you seek.

For 20 years and one day old there is too much of mutah in your head.

Though it is something halal, I feel your constant and only mutah focused discussions will sure get you mutah poster boy title soon.

May Allah guide you in other directions too

Sigh* I meant unfortunate as in they had to go through divorce and separation, not that they can't work or sustain themselves financially.

 

I know I need to grow up more, and I will seek jihad once I study Islam and understand its laws, the rewards are better when you know what you are doing.

 

And you should also 'grow up', I haven't said anything wrong, it doesn't matter how much I say it, I have said nothing wrong.

belittling me over my age and assuming I have dirty intentions is unfair, if a 40 year old said what I have said would that then be better?

 

Also, most of my forefathers have died martyrs, and my father is the only one to have lived after 25 years of fighting in Afghanistan, I intend to carry on the family tradition, I also intend to take myself out of darkness.

 

You should be careful about what you assume about others. And you have trampled on my rights by your post.

And think about what you're discouraging by your post and its effects on others.

 

The reason why I have posted about mutah is because I feel my knowledge on it is sufficient, and I am sure of all the rules about it. I would love to post on fiqh and complex studies and history but I don't want to say something that is incorrect or misleading to others.

 

Also if you look at all my posts you'll see that I post a lot on other topics too.

 

May Allah guide you in all directions and keep you from offending others.

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Obviously, mutah with a virgin is haram and no sane parent would give permission for his virgin daughter. As for those who have divorced or widowed, to engage in mutah with them is a favor not only for oneself but also for the women, it is hard for a non-virgin to get married again, and they like the rest of women need a man. so there main hope is mutah, but of course the really beautiful ones get married again permanently (very small proportion). 

 

So I would do it because I need it, and so does every other man. But even if I didn't need it I would still do it because it is a favor for the women. by doing it you are helping an unfortunate women away from sin, gives happiness for the man and the women. it is also a good act, and this world is a place for us to secure a goodly loan so that we may enter paradise through it.

brother.... why are you so focused on helping "unfortunate women"..... i am sister and I have friends who are divorced....trust me .. we do okay even without the help of brothers like you...

stop acting as if you are doing the poor woman a favour by marrying her/engaging her in mutah...be a man and at least have the guts to admit that the reasons for you being so interested in and " being knowledgeable"  about mutah are purely self centred.... 

 

no one is assuming anything about you because you have left little to assume....

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Obviously, mutah with a virgin is haram and no sane parent would give permission for his virgin daughter. As for those who have divorced or widowed, to engage in mutah with them is a favor not only for oneself but also for the women, it is hard for a non-virgin to get married again, and they like the rest of women need a man. so there main hope is mutah, but of course the really beautiful ones get married again permanently (very small proportion). 

 

So I would do it because I need it, and so does every other man. But even if I didn't need it I would still do it because it is a favor for the women. by doing it you are helping an unfortunate women away from sin, gives happiness for the man and the women. it is also a good act, and this world is a place for us to secure a goodly loan so that we may enter paradise through it.

Men like you are the reason Sh'ia women are turning to Sunni men.

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Men like you are the reason Sh'ia women are turning to Sunni men.

Meh, I've given up on this forum, read previous comments. 

 

I have said nothing wrong, marriage is a good act, and you get to paradise by doing good acts. simple.

 

Also, whats wrong with a Sunni man, they are also Muslim. 

 

So people like you are the reason why thousands get killed for being a shia

 

This post is about your views on muta, I have given my view on it. please tell me in simple words what I have said wrong and please don't assume anything, only criticize what I have said.

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Men like you are the reason Sh'ia women are turning to Sunni men.

Sunni men are not any better,infact some are worse then shia.... At least the brother is viewing it as help for both people,some sunnis and shia enter just to satisife their need and dont take into consideration how the lady feels....

Men are men,their sector is irrelavent. Theirs pleanty of sunnis that do masyar and secret marriages just to save themselves.....

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Sunni men are not any better,infact some are worse then shia.... At least the brother is viewing it as help for both people,some sunnis and shia enter just to satisife their need and dont take into consideration how the lady feels....

Men are men,their sector is irrelavent. Theirs pleanty of sunnis that do masyar and secret marriages just to save themselves.....

oh yes he is just all heart. I did not say Sunni's were better so calm down you over excitable girl.

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I vehemently disagree with the practice.  Learn some self control, and don't make excuses about not being strong willed.

 

 

Also, whats wrong with a Sunni man, they are also Muslim. 

 

I agree with this

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