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Did you know that ONLY ONE dog will enter heaven? Its the dog mentioned in Quran, sleeping with the people inside Qaif.

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Allah knows best. I was attending a majalis, and the mawlana said that the dog mentioned in Quran is allowed heaven due to it changing its DOGGISH behaviour.

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(bismillah)  (salam)

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Did you know that ONLY ONE dog will enter heaven? Its the dog mentioned in Quran, sleeping with the people inside Qaif.

Ali

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If it is only one dog..then why were more than 1 dog created?

It almost seems taht dogs were created to go to hell them :huh:

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Sorry to the original poster, but I have to reply to the people regarding animals in heaven. I think this (sunni) hadith is about all animals, not just dogs. I don't know how valid it is...

Sayyiduna Amr ibn al-Aas [radhiallaahu anhum] mentions, 'The earth will be flattened on the day of Qiyaamat, Jinns, humans, animals and creatures will be resurrected. On the day, Allah will command the animals to take revenge (from the one who oppressed it) to such an extent that if a horned sheep tossed a hornless sheep, it will avenge it. When Allah resolves the matter of retaliation between animals, He will order them to turn into sand. When the disbeliever sees this, he will say, 'How nice if I was also turned into sand.' (Musnad Abu Dawud pg. 248)

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^ yeah ive heard that from shia sources, and its pretty much authentic wallahu a3lam, and yeah on the day of judgement the non- believer does say " i wish i was sand" or "ya raytani kuntu turaba".

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Salam aleikum:

ok, so we know they are najjis, buttttttttt

any science to this?

thanks

Hussein

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The following article is from the book Annotations & commentary on"The lawful & the prohibited in Islam"of Dr. Yousif al-Qaradhawi", by Shaikh Hasan Muhammad Taqi al Jawahiri, p.203-206

The Findings of Scientific Research Relative to Keeping Dogs

Some lovers of the West in Muslim countries claim to be full of love and compassion for all living creatures and they wonder why Islam warns against this "best friend" of man. For their benefit, we quote here a lengthy excerpt from an article by the German scientist, Dr. Gerard Finstimer, (Translated from the German magazine Kosinos.)

in which the author sheds light on the dangers to human health resulting from keeping dogs or coming in contact with them. He says:

The increasing interest shown by many people in recent times in keeping dogs as pets has compelled us to draw public attention to the dangers which result from this, especially because pet dogs are hugged and kissed and permitted to lick the hands of the young and the old, and what is worse, to lick the plates and utensils which are used by human beings for eating and drinking.

Besides being unhygienic and uncouth, this practice is bad manners and abhorrent to good taste. However, we are not concerned with such matters. leaving them to be addressed by teachers of etiquette and good taste.

Rather this article is intended to present some scientific observations.

From the medical point of view, which is our main concern here, the hazards to human health and life from keeping and playing with dogs are not to be ignored. Many people have paid a high price for their ignorance, as the tapeworm carried by dogs is a cause of chronic disease, sometimes resulting in death.

This worm is found in man, in cattle, and in pigs, but it is found in fully-developed form only in dogs, wolves and rarely in cats. These worms differ from others in that they are minute and invisible, consequently, they were not discovered until very recently.

He continues,

Biologically the developmental process of this worm has some unique characteristics. In the lesions caused by them, one worm gives rise to many heads which spread and form other and varied kinds of lesions and abscesses. These heads develop into full-grown worms only in dogs' tonsils. In humans and in other animals they appear as lesions and abscesses completely different from the tapeworm itself In animals the size of an abscess may reach that of an apple, while the liver of the infected animal may grow from five to ten times its normal size. In human beings the size of the abscess may reach that of a clenched fist or even the head of an infant; it is filled with yellow fluid weighing from ten to twenty pounds. In the infected human it may cause diverse kinds of inflammations in the lungs, muscles, spleen, kidneys, and brain, and appears in such different forms that specialists, until very recently, had difficulty in recognizing it.

In any case, wherever this inflammation is found, it poses great danger to the health and life of the patient. What is worse is that, in spite of our knowledge of its life history, origin, and development, we have not been able to devise a cure for it, except that in some instances these parasites die out, possibly because of antibodies produced in the human body. Unfortunately, cases in which such parasites die without causing damage are rare indeed. Moreover, chemotherapy has failed to produce any benefit, and the usual treatment is surgical removal of the abscessed parts of the body. For all these reasons we should use all possible resources to fight against this dreadful disease and save man from its dangers.

Professor Noeller, through post-mortem dissection of human bodies in Germany, found that the incidence of infection with dogs' worms is at least one percent. In some places such as Dalmatia, Iceland, southeastern Australia, and Holland, where dogs are used for pulling sleds, the incidence rate of tapeworm among dogs is 12 percent. In Iceland the number of people who suffer from the inflammation caused by this worm has reached the rate of 43 percent. If we add to this the human suffering, the loss of meat because of infection of cattle, and the permanent danger to human health because of the presence of tapeworms, we cannot be very complacent toward this problem.

Perhaps the best way to combat the problem is to limit the worms to dogs and not let them spread, since in actuality we need to keep some dogs. We should not neglect to treat dogs when necessary by getting rid of the tapeworms in their tonsils and perhaps repeating this process periodically on shepherd dogs and watchdogs.

Man can protect his life and health by keeping a safe distance from dogs. He should not hug them, play with them, or let them come close to children. Children should be taught not to play with dogs or to fondle them. Dogs should not be permitted to lick children's hands or come to places where they play. Unfortunately, dogs are allowed to roam about everywhere, especially in places where children play, and their bowls are scattered throughout the house. Dogs must have their own separate bowls, and they must not be allowed to lick bowls and plates used by humans. They should not be allowed inside grocery stores, restaurants, or marketplaces. In general, great care must be taken that they do not come in contact with anything which is used by people for eating and drinking.

We already know that the Prophet (peace be on him) forbade mixing with dogs, and that he warned against their licking plates and against keeping them without necessity. How is it possible that the teachings of an unlettered Arab, Muhammad, should agree with the latest findings of scientific research? Truly, we cannot say anything except to repeat the words of the Qur'an: Nor does he speak from (his own) desire. It is nothing other than a revelation sent down. (53:3-4)"

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^^

Allah knows best. I was attending a majalis, and the mawlana said that the dog mentioned in Quran is allowed heaven due to it changing its DOGGISH behaviour.

Ali

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Dogs are also God's creation and doglike must be the way God wants them to behave. For dogs to behave differently isn't natural and a perversion. I guess dogs should sit up straight in chairs, use the toilet and such or perhaps they should live the life of squirrels eating nuts and living in trees, that would be less doglike :wacko:

Utter nonsense

Peace

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Salam aleikum:

The following article is from the book  Annotations & commentary on"The lawful & the prohibited in Islam"of Dr. Yousif al-Qaradhawi", by Shaikh Hasan Muhammad Taqi al Jawahiri, p.203-206

The Findings of Scientific Research Relative to Keeping Dogs

Some lovers of the West in Muslim countries claim to be full of love and compassion for all living creatures and they wonder why Islam warns against this "best friend" of man. For their benefit, we quote here a lengthy excerpt from an article by the German scientist, Dr. Gerard Finstimer, (Translated from the German magazine Kosinos.)

in which the author sheds light on the dangers to human health resulting from keeping dogs or coming in contact with them. He says:

The increasing interest shown by many people in recent times in keeping dogs as pets has compelled us to draw public attention to the dangers which result from this, especially because pet dogs are hugged and kissed and permitted to lick the hands of the young and the old, and what is worse, to lick the plates and utensils which are used by human beings for eating and drinking.

Besides being unhygienic and uncouth, this practice is bad manners and abhorrent to good taste. However, we are not concerned with such matters. leaving them to be addressed by teachers of etiquette and good taste.

Rather this article is intended to present some scientific observations.

From the medical point of view, which is our main concern here, the hazards to human health and life from keeping and playing with dogs are not to be ignored. Many people have paid a high price for their ignorance, as the tapeworm carried by dogs is a cause of chronic disease, sometimes resulting in death.

This worm is found in man, in cattle, and in pigs, but it is found in fully-developed form only in dogs, wolves and rarely in cats. These worms differ from others in that they are minute and invisible, consequently, they were not discovered until very recently.

He continues,

Biologically the developmental process of this worm has some unique characteristics. In the lesions caused by them, one worm gives rise to many heads which spread and form other and varied kinds of lesions and abscesses. These heads develop into full-grown worms only in dogs' tonsils. In humans and in other animals they appear as lesions and abscesses completely different from the tapeworm itself In animals the size of an abscess may reach that of an apple, while the liver of the infected animal may grow from five to ten times its normal size. In human beings the size of the abscess may reach that of a clenched fist or even the head of an infant; it is filled with yellow fluid weighing from ten to twenty pounds. In the infected human it may cause diverse kinds of inflammations in the lungs, muscles, spleen, kidneys, and brain, and appears in such different forms that specialists, until very recently, had difficulty in recognizing it.

In any case, wherever this inflammation is found, it poses great danger to the health and life of the patient. What is worse is that, in spite of our knowledge of its life history, origin, and development, we have not been able to devise a cure for it, except that in some instances these parasites die out, possibly because of antibodies produced in the human body. Unfortunately, cases in which such parasites die without causing damage are rare indeed. Moreover, chemotherapy has failed to produce any benefit, and the usual treatment is surgical removal of the abscessed parts of the body. For all these reasons we should use all possible resources to fight against this dreadful disease and save man from its dangers.

Professor Noeller, through post-mortem dissection of human bodies in Germany, found that the incidence of infection with dogs' worms is at least one percent. In some places such as Dalmatia, Iceland, southeastern Australia, and Holland, where dogs are used for pulling sleds, the incidence rate of tapeworm among dogs is 12 percent. In Iceland the number of people who suffer from the inflammation caused by this worm has reached the rate of 43 percent. If we add to this the human suffering, the loss of meat because of infection of cattle, and the permanent danger to human health because of the presence of tapeworms, we cannot be very complacent toward this problem.

Perhaps the best way to combat the problem is to limit the worms to dogs and not let them spread, since in actuality we need to keep some dogs. We should not neglect to treat dogs when necessary by getting rid of the tapeworms in their tonsils and perhaps repeating this process periodically on shepherd dogs and watchdogs.

Man can protect his life and health by keeping a safe distance from dogs. He should not hug them, play with them, or let them come close to children. Children should be taught not to play with dogs or to fondle them. Dogs should not be permitted to lick children's hands or come to places where they play. Unfortunately, dogs are allowed to roam about everywhere, especially in places where children play, and their bowls are scattered throughout the house. Dogs must have their own separate bowls, and they must not be allowed to lick bowls and plates used by humans. They should not be allowed inside grocery stores, restaurants, or marketplaces. In general, great care must be taken that they do not come in contact with anything which is used by people for eating and drinking.

We already know that the Prophet (peace be on him) forbade mixing with dogs, and that he warned against their licking plates and against keeping them without necessity. How is it possible that the teachings of an unlettered Arab, Muhammad, should agree with the latest findings of scientific research? Truly, we cannot say anything except to repeat the words of the Qur'an: Nor does he speak from (his own) desire. It is nothing other than a revelation sent down. (53:3-4)"

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A source of where you got the article would be greatly appreciated

thanks

Hussein

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Dogs are also God's creation and doglike must be the way God wants them to behave. For dogs to behave differently isn't natural and a perversion. I guess dogs should sit up straight in chairs, use the toilet and such or perhaps they should live the life of squirrels eating nuts and living in trees, that would be less doglike 

Utter nonsense

Peace

Satyaban

Are you Muslim? if not then keep your opinion for yourself instead of saying " utter NONSENSE".

This is what we have been told, Allah knows best,.

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(salam)

PLS check this first but i remember being told once that the reason we consider dogs Najis is their Saliva.

I can't seem to find the link at the moment but it is regarding the contents of the saliva of dogs which is why we are told that they are najis.

I hope that explains the science behind it, if anyone can find a link do post

ws

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PLS check this first but i remember being told once that the reason we consider dogs Najis is their Saliva.

I can't seem to find the link at the moment but it is regarding the contents of the saliva of dogs which is why we are told that they are najis.

I hope that explains the science behind it, if anyone can find a link do post

ws

noon

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How about the saliva of camels and goats? The air we breathe is fouled by many things to include dog's breath, meat packing plants, chemicals and much more do you use an oxygen tank for the air you breath?

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Satyaban

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Umali12,

Perhaps you can supply factual evidence to support the dangers cited by the German doctor. Do actuaries indicate dog owners die at an earlier age than those who do not. Also tapeworm is contracted through saliva and pet owners do not eat dog [Edited Out].

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(salam)

God created dogs the way they are. God is not going to put them in hell if He created them like that. Just because they are najis it doesn't mean that they are to be hated.

And the issue isn't about them going to heaven or hell.....do animals even go to heaven or hell? :unsure:

And Satyaban this is an Islamic issue. I suggest you stay out of this.

Wasalam.

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(salam)

I just found an interesting article titled "Diseases from dogs". You can read it here: http://www.cdc.gov/healthypets/animals/dogs.htm

In the article it states "To best protect yourself from getting sick, thoroughly wash your hands with running water and soap after contact with dogs, dog saliva, or dog feces (stool)."

Wasalam :) .

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(salam)

How about the saliva of camels and goats? The air we breathe is fouled by many things to include dog's breath, meat packing plants, chemicals and much more do you use an oxygen tank for the air you breath?

Well obviously a dogs saliva is different.

Brother as much as i respect your thoughts you have to relaise that we don't just make things up there is logic behind it if you wish to persue it.

God created dogs the way they are. God is not going to put them in hell if He created them like that. Just because they are najis it doesn't mean that they are to be hated.

excellent point. no matter what thye are still Allah (s.w.t) creation and are to respected.

ws

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God created dogs the way they are. God is not going to put them in hell if He created them like that. Just because they are najis it doesn't mean that they are to be hated.

Who said that they will enter hell?? I just said they wont enter heaven. Only one will. Maybe Allah will abolish them or destroy all dogs being made.

I just told you what I've been hearing during majalis during Muharram.

Dont blame me

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i still havent gotten a link of where this info was found....

can i get it?

thanks

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Salam aleikum:

Check:

http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/...m/ch2s3p5-3.htm

I also have the book which was the source given on my first post:

The following article is from the book  Annotations & commentary on"The lawful & the prohibited in Islam"of Dr. Yousif al-Qaradhawi", by Shaikh Hasan Muhammad Taqi al Jawahiri, p.203-206

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(salam)

The resurrection of all animals does not find support in Twelver Shi3ah school; the resurrection of a few, like the dog of As7ab al Kahf (it was purified because it recited the kalimah: La ilaha illa Allah, 3Isa Ru7 Allah), the donkey of Balam, the she-camel of Sali7 (as) , the camels that carry the 7ajj pilgrims etc, does.

The najasah of animate creatures, and of creatures being 7araam for Muslims to eat, is related to the witness they did not bear in the previous worlds.

Wa'Salaam

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(bismillah) (salam)

The najasah of animate creatures, and of creatures being 7araam for Muslims to eat, is related to the witness they did not bear in the previous worlds.

Previous worlds?? Could you please elaborate ... What do you mean?

Ali

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Salam aleikum:

Check:

http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/...m/ch2s3p5-3.htm

I also have the book which was the source given on my first post:

The following article is from the book  Annotations & commentary on"The lawful & the prohibited in Islam"of Dr. Yousif al-Qaradhawi", by Shaikh Hasan Muhammad Taqi al Jawahiri, p.203-206

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That is not the source. The source is a Dr and magazine which do not exist.

Peace

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That is not the source. The source is a Dr and magazine which do not exist.

Peace

Satyaban

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The original book by Sheikh al-Qaradhawi was written in 1960, so the study that he referred to might be even older than that.

(see the end of: http://www.youngmuslims.ca/online_library/...n_islam/Int.htm

If there is something that you can't find or see, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist !

Read this:

Once he heard Imam Abu Hanifah (who lived in Kufa) telling his disciples that, "I have heard three things from Imam Ja'far as‑Sadiq which I think are wrong." The disciples asked what those things were. Imam Abu Hanifah said:

"First of all, Imam Ja'far as‑Sadiq says that Allah cannot be seen. But it is wrong. If a thing does exist, then it must be seen. Secondly, he says that Satan will be punished in Hell. But it is absurd. Because Satan was created from fire: how can fire do any harm to a thing or person made of fire? Thirdly, he says that a man's action is done by his will and power, and that he is responsible for it. But it is wrong because all the actions of man are done by Allah's will and power, and Allah is, actually, responsible for it."

The disciples' applaud had just begun when Bahlul took a lump of clay and sent it hurtling towards Abu Hanifah. It hit him on the forehead, he cried in anguish and pain. The disciples caught Bahlul, and Abu Hanifah took him to the judge.

The judge heard the complaint and asked Bahlul whether the allegation was true.

Bahlul: "O Judge! Imam Abu Hanifah alleges that he is suffering from a searing pain in his head because of the clay which hit him. But I think he is lying. I cannot believe him until I see the pain."

Abu Hanifah: "You really are mad! How can I show you the pain? Has anybody ever seen a pain?" Bahliil: "But, O Judge, he was just teaching his disciples that if a thing does exist, then it must be seen. As he cannot show the pain, I submit that according to his own belief, he is not suffering from any pain at all"

Abu Hanifah: "Oh! my head is splitting because of the pain."

Bahlul: "O Judge, there is another matter which I just remembered. He was also telling his disciples that as Satan is made of fire, the fire of Hell cannot do him any harm. Now man is made of clay, as the Qur'an says, and it was a lump of clay which hit him: I wonder how can he claim that a lump of clay did harm to a man made of clay?"

Abu Hanifah: "O Judge! Bahlul wants to go scot­free by his verbosity. Please, take my revenge from him. "

Bahlul: "O Judge, I think Imam Abu Hanifah has very wrongfully brought me in this court. He was just teaching his disciples that all the actions of man are done by Allah, and that Allah is responsible for those actions. Now, why did he bring me here? If he really is suffering from the effect of that lump of clay, he should file suit against Allah who did hit him with that clay. Why should a poor harmless person like me be brought to the court. When all I am supposed to do was in fact done by Allah?"

The judge acquitted Bahlul.

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(salam)

I posted before that the saliva of dogs are najis, yet after looking further this is what I found.

Dogs and Pigs

106. The dogs and pigs which live on land are najis, and even their hair, bones, paws and nails, and every liquid substance of their body, is najis. However, sea dogs and pigs are Pak.

this is according to the Fatwa of Ayatullah Seestani.

ws

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Previous worlds?? Could you please elaborate ... What do you mean?

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The 3ahd of wilayah of Ahlul Bayt (as) was taken from all the plant and animal kingdom as well. Some bore witness, some did not.

As for the plants (the fruit-bearing ones), their differentiation is on the basis of the fruits' sweetness or bitterness (according to the testimony).

There are also other reasons for the animals and birds being 7araam, like some of the species originally being humans, but undergoing transformation (maskh), this being the 3adhaab of Allah upon them due to their disobedience (pigs, monkeys, rabbits, bats etc).

With regards to the dogs, a 7adeeth says they were created from the saliva of Satan, and that they earned enemies in the animal kingdom, because they protected Adam and Hawwa (as) from other wild animals, who had been incited by Satan to prey upon the two.

Disclaimer: The above is in accordance with the a7adeeth I have come across, their authenticity is not known.

Wa'Salaam

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(salam)

I posted before that the saliva of dogs are najis, yet after looking further this is what I found.

Dogs and Pigs

this is according to the Fatwa of Ayatullah Seestani.

ws

noon

Just wondering, what the hell is a sea dog/pig?

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(bismillah) (salam)

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Did you know that ONLY ONE dog will enter heaven? Its the dog mentioned in Quran, sleeping with the people inside Qaif.

Ali

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bismillah)

(salam)

It is my understanding that heaven and hell are rewards (or otherwise) for the actions of people in this world. Thus, those of us (i.e. humans - I should say most humans after reading some of the posts on this site!) who have been given the capacity to differentiate between right and wrong would be judged on our actions and allocated to heaven or hell accordingly. However, animals obviously are not responsible for their actions and thus cannot be rewarded by heaven or penalised by hell.

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Not a single one of you people reffered to the Quran.

Sistani says...

Abu Hanifa says....

Shaikh Qardhawi says...

Bahlul says...

Let's see what God says in his Quran, which you people have abandoned for 14 centuries:

What does God say about the dog as being a hunting companion?

They ask you what was made lawful to them, Say: "All the good things have been made lawful for you, and what the trained dogs and birds catch, you teach them from what God teaches you." So eat from what they have captured for you and mention God's name upon it, and be aware of God. God is quick in reckoning. (5:4)

Here we see that God has permitted the use of hunting dogs to fetch our pray for us.

If the saliva of the dog is "najs" as you all claim why didn't God mention this?

You say to this wonderful animal that is man's best friend "haram"??

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Salam aleikum:

:

The increasing interest shown by many people in recent times in keeping dogs as pets has compelled us to draw public attention to the dangers which result from this, especially because pet dogs are hugged and kissed and permitted to lick the hands of the young and the old, and what is worse, to lick the plates and utensils which are used by human beings for eating and drinking.

Besides being unhygienic and uncouth, this practice is bad manners and abhorrent to good taste. However, we are not concerned with such matters. leaving them to be addressed by teachers of etiquette and good taste.

Rather this article is intended to present some scientific observations.

From the medical point of view, which is our main concern here, the hazards to human health and life from keeping and playing with dogs are not to be ignored. Many people have paid a high price for their ignorance, as the tapeworm carried by dogs is a cause of chronic disease, sometimes resulting in death.

This worm is found in man, in cattle, and in pigs, but it is found in fully-developed form only in dogs, wolves and rarely in cats. These worms differ from others in that they are minute and invisible, consequently, they were not discovered until very recently.

He continues,

Biologically the developmental process of this worm has some unique characteristics. In the lesions caused by them, one worm gives rise to many heads which spread and form other and varied kinds of lesions and abscesses. These heads develop into full-grown worms only in dogs' tonsils. In humans and in other animals they appear as lesions and abscesses completely different from the tapeworm itself In animals the size of an abscess may reach that of an apple, while the liver of the infected animal may grow from five to ten times its normal size. In human beings the size of the abscess may reach that of a clenched fist or even the head of an infant; it is filled with yellow fluid weighing from ten to twenty pounds. In the infected human it may cause diverse kinds of inflammations in the lungs, muscles, spleen, kidneys, and brain, and appears in such different forms that specialists, until very recently, had difficulty in recognizing it.

In any case, wherever this inflammation is found, it poses great danger to the health and life of the patient. What is worse is that, in spite of our knowledge of its life history, origin, and development, we have not been able to devise a cure for it, except that in some instances these parasites die out, possibly because of antibodies produced in the human body. Unfortunately, cases in which such parasites die without causing damage are rare indeed. Moreover, chemotherapy has failed to produce any benefit, and the usual treatment is surgical removal of the abscessed parts of the body. For all these reasons we should use all possible resources to fight against this dreadful disease and save man from its dangers.

U are talking about Hydatid disease or Echinococcus.its treatable.

somehow i don`t think thats the reason the`yre deemed najjis.

personally i love dogs,makes it even more difficult.

oh & well u know Allah gave life to worms as well.so why blame the dog if he has worms.and that saliva part i have heard as well.

so what happens if u keep a dog,prayers don`t get accepted?? I mean why can`t there be an anti cat verdict,they`re so much colder.puppies are just so muc more loyal.

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Hi,

Only 3 animals go to heaven, and its only because they were enemy's with god's enemy's and freinds with God's friends. The other two r a ollagh (donkey) and a gorg ( i dont know what this is in english).

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