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The Real Gospel of Jesus revealed in 1947

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You are confusing th eGospel of Jesus Christ with the gospel in our hand which is actually the testimonies of his deciples( including the arch enemy of Jesus: Paul or Paulos(( Jesus said Polos coming after me and will deceive many!)

The Dead Sea Scroll contains the Gospel of Jesus christ and it is bigger thab the bible! ( The sectarian section of the dead sea scrolls)

Namely: The Scroll of Temple, The law of the Congregation ( Yahad)scroll, The War scroll, The Hymns Scroll, The Pesher scrolls.

All these combined are larger than the whole old testement combined.( since the pesher scrolls are the interpretation of Minor Prophets verse by verse.

That is why it is said in the Quran that Jesus came with the ( Bayenat--explanation of the old testament after removing the changes made by the Pharaisies before him.

The secret society of Qahat son of Lavi ( father of Amram had custody for the original uncorrupted bible ( 900 copies at least in the dead sea scrolls, while only one scrolls were available to the other jews that of the official copy in the temple( corrupted through 500 years since Babylon diaspora, and destroyed in 70 AD))

Only peices of the above scrolls are found in the Qumran dead sea scrolls, but it is suggested that the Temple scroll is bigger than the five books of Moses.

All these scrolls were the sole inspiration of the Rightious Teacher ( of the Essenes)

Essenes means ( Jesusians--followers of Jesus--just like when you say Marxists, you mean followers of Marx) Kabish? :P

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My friend:

The dead sea scrolls are ascribed to the Essenes sect, who lived in the area of the caves.

Those are the christians.

Why? you ask?

because their name is Essenes?

Essenes a word come from Esa a man name ( Jesus)

there was another prophet 2 hundred years before Jesus and his name was Jesus bin Zaria ( mentioned by the jews as Esa bin Zaria) he compiled the Ecclestias thing.

If you still deny this, then how come millions of people in the middle east their name is Esa ( millions are christians) their answer is this is the name of Jesus.

Don't beleive me, then ask the congressman from California ( Esa is his last name) remember him?

he helped bring Arnold.

He is a of christian libanese ancestry.

ask him by phone?

Say, lets imagine archaeologist after 1000 year found ancient documents mentions ( Marxists), who might they be?

The answer is Easy: they are the followers of Marx idiot!

Same thing goes for the Essenes, unless you want to argue that there was another huge school of thought at the time of jesus whose leader name was Jesus too, but neither the christians mentioned him in their chronicles as a heritic, nor the followers of that other Jesus mentioned YOUR jesus in their chronicles too ( as evident from their chronicles in the dead sea scrolls)

you ask why?

because they are one and the same idiot!

Of course the people who wrote the dead sea scrolls did not refer to themselves as essenes ( ie Jesusians)

do you know why?

For the same reason Muslims don't call themselves Muhammadans?

But then, who calls muslims Muhammadans?

Their enemies do idiot!

Same thing goes for the christians who were called by their enemies the jews and Romans Jesusians as followers of a heretic man.!

Did you get the picture.

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The Dead Sea Scrolls were most likely written by the Essenes during the period from about 200 B.C. to 68 C.E./A.D. The Essenes are mentioned by Josephus and in a few other sources, but not in the New testament. The Essenes were a strict Torah observant, Messianic, apocalyptic, baptist, wilderness, new covenant Jewish sect. They were led by a priest they called the "Teacher of Righteousness," who was opposed and possibly killed by the establishment priesthood in Jerusalem.

http://www.centuryone.com/25dssfacts.html

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My citation is the two books of a Cambridge emiritus professor: Geza Vermes, a jew.

He mentioned that the essenes name we use in ourdays comes from the writings of Josephus, the Roman Historians Pliny the Elder, and a Jewsh philosopher from Alexandia: Philo.

All these three visited the area of the essenes near Qumran between 40 AD and 80 AD ( the desert of Sair) where John the babtist was.

They described a strange sect who abandoned leisurely life and lived without women as hermits in that desert by the dead sea ( between Jerico and Engedi) but away from the two cities( away from the Jews The pharaisies) . this makes their place exactly at the caves of Qumran.

Inside the caves they ofund in 1947 remnants of 900 Scrolls?!!!!!

most were destroyed by jews who came upon the caves in later times and discovered the two masoretic scrolls of the old testament ( whre they corrupted it again and it is called the Masoretic bible ( the official old Bible in our times)

but destroyed the other writings of the sect ( namely the GOSPEL OF JESUS)

but they could not find all the caves ( 11 so far)

so the caves where they burned and broke the scrolls into peices, the Vqatican committee been working on plastering them together since 1947 but in top secrecy since the story of the scrolls is similar to Jesus), The jews in West Jerusalem also got some major scrolls in 1947 ( sukenik the father of Egal Yadin the hero of 1948 war) who translated them unaware they are christian writings, the christian committee on the other side ( in Amman Jordan) had posession of the rest, they kept most them untranslated up till now untill the Israelis took control of them completely in 1991 where they managed to add few peices of [Edited Out]( pharaisies writings from caves near Engedi) and claimed they are from Qumran!?

The official Israeli claim now is that the scrolls are from pharaisies who were different from the pharaisies of Jerusalem)

But how come jews have 900 copies of the bible even though it is against the Law to have more than one copy inside the holy of Holies?

only Mezozas were the only link of people to their bible ( doors post with one verse or two at the home entrances...

According to Vermes, he said that the name was not essenes but Esaoin.

Of course Esaoin in Arabic and Arameic and Hebrew means literally the followers of Jesus.

Vermes, another vile pharaisy of modern times, claims that the word Esaoin might come from the greek word Asayah, meaning theraputical ie people who heal by herbs.

As if those essenes were traditional healers!???

Big lie, No herbs live near the dead sea( salt salt salt)

Plus Esaya is doubted to be a greek work.

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response to way2go:

quoting that the essenes were from 200 bc.

is another bull lie.

There was 4 different scripts in Hebrew

The first is: Old Hebraic: Before the Babylonian diaspora

The second:

The Hasmonian script invented around 150 BC

Herodian Script invented during the reign of King Herod the Great.

Fourth The Late Herodian script invented during the time of Jesus.

70% of the scrolls are written by the Herodian and Late Herodian script.

30% of the remaining scrolls are written in the hasmonian and old heb

this 30% scrolls are all copies of the Bible.

while the 70% ( 70% of 900 scrolls!)

written in Herodian are the sectarian writings( ie not from the old testament-- the writings of the sect themselves refering to their teacher as (The Rightious Teacher)

and detailing their congregation ( Yahad: similar to Tawhid( islamic) meaning Oneness of God), plus the Hymns of the Teacher, his interpretations of the old testament--all these 70% are not written before Herod PERIOD.

Herod ruled from 30 BC to 2Bc

Second Herod ( Herod Antipas rules during Jesus time 32 AD: time of the late Herodian).

So the scrolls are two kinds: master copies of the bible preserved from old times!

and the sectarian writings( the new prophet writings in and around the time of Jesus)

Here comes the [Edited Out]ing of Vermes and his likes of Vaticanians, and aethiests who control the scrolls.

They did several radiocarbon study and found that the sectarian writings were between, 100BC and 100 AD

so they figured they might be written 100 BC!?

who are they fooling?

Second they claimed that since many of the scrolls date back to up to 400 BC with the Master copies mainly in the 150BC, they claimed, Vwala, The teacher of Rightiousness lived in Hasmonian times and the sectarian writing were his later followers reminessing about their long dead Teacher?!!

These scientists are from the same brood of the pharaisies, Iam telling you!

Of course, the historians sited the Essenes near the Caves after 30 AD up to 80 AD.

THe scrolls are definitely are finally sealed and hidden around 30 to 80 AD , because the linen wrappings were from that date.

So How come The Teacher of rightiousness never wrote any thing in the Hasmonian script( 150 BC ) and then kept as master copies??

just like the Old Bible copies that date to 400 BC???

Why the sectarian scripts suddenly erupted in Herodian times?

Those Vaticanian so called scientists are playing a big deceiving game.

To prove their claim they managed to add few s[Edited Out]s from a jewish ( pharaisies) burial site ( discovered around 1947 too) but this cave is 15 kilometers away from Qumran ( and just near the city of Engedi) obviously pharaisies writings ( in one of the s[Edited Out]s there is a congratulation to King ( some [Edited Out]) from 150 BC..

But these s[Edited Out]s are filled with Floride ( buried near the dead sea ), an unlikely place for the essenes since they claim in their sectarian writings that the dead sea shore is dirty( not holy) and so why would they bury the word of God near the unholy place??( sodom and Gommora)??

Also the hand writings of these s[Edited Out]s are hasty and really bad, while the hand writings of all the dead sea scrolls are excellent!!

They even put a pharaisies interpretation into the cashe of the dead sea scroll( this particular s[Edited Out] talks about so called Davidic messiah? and very floride absorbed, and used the Pharaisies word (as like), instead of (interpreted) used by the essenes( in The Psharim scrolls), plus, this s[Edited Out] mixes verses from different scrolls, as was the way of the pharaisies.!?

In the writings of the essenes, there is much insult to the pharaisies and calling them by worst names, so how come, a pharaisies s[Edited Out] is found in their holy stach?

And when the Israelies took over the scrolls, things got mich worse, since they declared that they will reveal the unpublished s[Edited Out]s, and Guess what were they?

the rest of the [Edited Out] from the jewish pharaisies burials near Engedi city!!!!!!!!!

That is why jews are masters of ..

But to refute the Israeli claim, that the unpublished texts are what they presented, is the fact that all of these s[Edited Out]s are dated to persons and times, while the Vaticians for the 50 years before that claimed that there are no s[Edited Out]s that related to places and times ( names of persons, kings, buying and selling documents etc)

So where the Vaticians liars all those fifty yeas even they included many anti catholic , jews, aethitics, american, etc)

or are the Israelites ( Jews are master of..) are right.

From out all the thousands of s[Edited Out]s and the scrolls of the cashe, the Israelites these days show in their excibitions, only the [Edited Out] they added in 1991 ( as a great releif to the awaiting world).

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A Response to Jarvis:

Quote ( slocym, do you think, Dead sea scrolls is fact?))))

OK

Since the scrolls from the time of Jesus and they are named Essenes ( Jesusians), and Essenes never mentioned inearlier times, by jews ( kings, pharaisies, saducies, ) even though all these factions were very jealous and killing each other all the time, how could the essenes hide themselves for 200 years and hiding the infamous teacher, with out the rest of Judea knowing their name, his name, their opposition to pharaisies( calling Pharaisies bad names ( like Halaku change it to Halaqut, ie from students of the ring to people who eat food easy on tooth)( a sign of bribery and using their knowledge to eat good food)!!

Then We know of Jesus now, as a great prophet,

and in one of the Pesher ( interpretation) of a minor Prophet( Habakuk) ((Habakuk says that the angel told him to write the prophecy quicly, the Teacher adds (( INterpreted, till the Messiah will interprete fully??!!!)))

what does this mean

The teacher claiming himself able to interpret the prophecy of Habakuk better than Habakuk him self ( the owner of the prophecy)

Habakuk is a prophet, then the teacher should be known by then since he is a better prophet ( but nobody heard of him for 200 years ( if we beleive the Vaticanians)

Even greater, the Teacher is interpreting the prophecy of Habakuk that God himself tells Habakuk to write it hastingly because the Messiah will interpret it fully??))

So who is The Teacher my ladies?

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References:

Unfortunately, the best argument against the ( jewish and hence the christian version of the bible) is an athietic ( secular-anti God) website, called infidel.org:

Jeremiah Dilemma

They use a lot of refernce from the dead sea scrolls to refute christians and religion in general as lies.

As for the best study of the Dead Sea scrolls are the two books of that Genius author: Geza Vermes, Professor Emiritus of Cambridge University. Even though he obviously shows tendency to prefer Talmud over the Dead Sea Scrolls ( a pharaisy),

he is yet is unable to overcome his desire to show his superiority to other scholars, and thus revealed to me very useful info, such as the name of Essenes as ( ESAoin), interpretation of Habakuk ( the verse of God telling that only the Massiah will interpret the vision of Habakuk)

The Testimonia ( very valuble one page 3 part verses from the old testament ( Deu 18:18, Levi testimony, Joshua prophecy about the evil man who will rebuild Jerico (( of course it is Herod the Great)).

The testimony clearly shows that there are two great prophets are left ( son of Levi: Jesus) and son of the BROTHER of Israelites ( Muhammad), no mention whatsoever to a Davidic Messiah( since the part of the testimony refers to david himself as that one (came)))

and the testimony warning the jews that Herod and his clan are imposters trying to deceive the jews that the Prophet like Moses will be from them ( Brother of Jews, Herod from Edom and Arabs)

because the prophecy of Joshua clearly states that the rebuilder of Jerico is evil ( Herod and his brother))

sons of Herod ( like herod the great were dying to marry from the Sadducies( who were Davidic but usurper of the title of High Preist of the temple ( a Levite position, the sadducies were decendents of Judah the Maccab, who revolted on the Greek, and his decendent became sadducies and took the position in the temple denied resurruction and Day of Judgement)

Actually this is why John the Babtist was killed, because Herod Antipas was trying to marry the wife of his dead brother. She was from Juda Maccab line, John said it is illeagal to marry your brother wife, while Pharaisies said yes you can. Jon being a Levite like his father Zaccaria, like Mary, like Jesus'' the real preists of the temple)

So Herod Antipas cut his head( John's)

If Herod could marry that woman, then his son would combine a line from Edom and from David ( through Judas Maccab) and hence both prophecies could materialize in him ( or at least to convince people to submit to their rule and WAIT)

But testimonia and the dead sea scrolls shows that the prophecy about shoot of jesse was misplaced from Joshua to later prophets, making people think that there is another! shoot of Jesse comming( must be David son, since Judah testimony clearly states that the ruler will be from Judah to the END)( of course the end was past already ( before babylon)

The period after Babylon was a Grace period from God to repent or else ((what happened in 70 AD))( a one 500 years period ( a jubilee ( according to times and to Daniel Prophecy 70 weeks=70 in 7 years=490 years, being the Messiah will come in the middle of the last week but will cut off , but not from himself ( meaning raised to heaven--ie did not die). Few years after Jesus departure the wrath started and culminated in 70 AD.

By the way, a later herod son managed to marry a woman from davidic line , only to Jerusalem be destroyed few years later with the son and king and mother and high preists killed.

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No

this means that Dead sea scrolls are indeed the writings of the True Messiah who happens to be his name Jesus who lived around 32 AD.

Guess who.

Muslims beleive that Jesus is the only Messiah and coming back ( cut off but not from himself --Daniel)( ie raised to heaven--did not die-- will die Later after he finishes up with the pharaisies and christian pharaisies ( Churchians)

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this means that Dead sea scrolls are indeed the writings of the True Messiah who happens to be his name Jesus who lived around 32 AD.

Guess who.

Muslims beleive that Jesus is the only Messiah and coming back ( cut off but not from himself --Daniel)( ie raised to heaven--did not die-- will die Later after he finishes up with the pharaisies and christian pharaisies ( Churchians)

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are you the only Essene left in the world?

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the essenes are the largest releigion in the world now: 2 bilion muslims strong.

they were always the largest since the the essenes started.essenes continued in real christians till 300 ad then they went down and surged again by the coming of muhammad.

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are you the only Essene left in the world?

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Jarvis, I have learned that some people have a sincere desire to interact and learn. Others don't. They have all the answers. ;)

Here's a very interesting site where we can learn what ancient historians had to write about the Essenes. Who they were, how they lived and what they believed.

http://members.aol.com/Wisdomway/deadseasc...tm#anchor654210

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there were other human beings alive at the time of jesus. obviously if he had a gospel it would have been extremely popular. there would be many many copies. the missing/ lost books from the new an old testaments are usually stories that were left out because they repeated information already in the main text or were just too weird.

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at the time of jesus, making bppks was very expensive, and his followers hid their scrolls near their school in qumran.

it was imperative that their books could not fall in the hands of their enemies to learn their school and track them to qumran settlement.

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You are confusing the Gospel of Jesus Christ with the gospel in our hand which is actually the testimonies of his deciples( including the arch enemy of Jesus: Paul or Paulos(( Jesus said Polos coming after me and will deceive many!)

Hello Slocym. Why do you say Paul was an enemy of Jesus? Wouldn't all the Apostles then be his enemy?

The Dead Sea Scroll contains the Gospel of Jesus christ and it is bigger thab the bible! ( The sectarian section of the dead sea scrolls)

The greek for "gospel" basically means the good news of salvation through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. Their is no hebrew word for gospel, although the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus are found in Psalms 16, 22, Isa. 53 and Daniel 9.

Peace,

JB

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you are wrong that there is no word for Gospel in Hebrew arameic.

Actually the word Gospel was stolen from the original christians ( essenes)

there book was called Gospel ( Bisharim). Paul stole the info about christians by enrolling him self in thereir school, he stole The Bishop word ( from Menaqer word used in essenes schooling)

Jesus said( Polos coming after me and will deceive many)

the translater translated ( Polos) as Polo ( many) but you can not add s to many.

So Jesus actually said the name of the guy who will deceive many ( Paulos=Polos)

Just like Jesus said ( Ahmad=Muhammad) they translated as ( Periclytos=PRCLTS)

which was retranslated ( Paraclytos=PRCLTS) ( notice that vocal letters were not used in Greek language at the time ( just like all languages then) so PRKLTS could meann Paraklytos or Periclytos+ Muhammad or Ahmad?!

Polos=Paulos.

There was no name as Paul in that time ( it was Paulus )

And the Good news is about the coming of the kingdom of God( Malakut Allah) =Islam in few hundred years not Good news about Jesus crucifying bla bla.

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Paul was not a decyple of Jesus , he was a later imposter.

The Damascus document found in Qumran scrolls contained two terms ( Good news) and ( New Testament) both of which are identical to christian terminology.

The Damascus document was a leaflet distributed by Jesus followers in secrecy among the people. paul found one of these leaflets and decided to find their secret school ( the only clue he had was that those essenes immigrated to the LAND of Damascus)

so he went to Damascus and pretended that he heard voices ( the story), but he could not find them in Damascus

Because Qumran was (Land of Damascus) nearest to Judea( because Qumran was part of the Principality of Damascus at that time and not part of Judea)!

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slocym: just to note, the disciples didn't write the gospels in teh NT. The authors didn't know Jesus personally.

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This is incorrect.

The Book of Matthew was written by Jesus' disciple Matthew.

The Book of John was written by the disciple John who also wrote 1 John, 2 John, 3 John and the Book of Revelation.

Other books written by disciples and people who personally knew Jesus are

1 Peter & 2 Peter written by disciple Peter.

Jude written by Jesus brother Jude, and James written by Jesus brother James.

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And how do you know that these people did really write these testiments?

The earliest copies are 10s of years after their death.

They did not know how to write ( they were all fishermen!)

they did not have the resources to write scrolls ( it is not like you go to the book store, and buy a notebook for a dollar and buy a pen for a half dollar!)

It was very expensive then. scrolls were expensive, only few people have writing materials and were authorized by the government ( jewish, roman)

Even if they wrote them they were changed in few words to look like what we have now.

please read this Good christian webpage I put in another time in this forum.

Any how, I am talking about the GOSPEL ( THE REAL GOSPEL) written by jesus himself, in his words, he is speaking, or God is the speaker ( just like the old testament) this is all found in the dead sea scrolls ( they are the Pesharim scrolls, the War scroll, the Temple scroll, the Barick Nafsi scroll, and the most important of all ((((The Personal Hymns scroll)))) written by Jesus himself.

You can read the real Gospel buy borrowing the two books from the public library (any one) auther: Geza Vermes--title: the complete dead sea scrolls,

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translation from the hymns scroll

by jesus christ:

thou has caused me to dwell with the fishermen

and with the hunters of the children of inequity(refering to tax collectors)

page 267-- the complete dead sea scrolls--author: geza vermes--cambridge university.

"for my father knew me not,

and my mother abandoned me to thee(a reference to mary who was busy worshiping god)

page 284

clay and dust that i am

what can i devise unless thou will it.

and how shall i understand

unless by the spirit which thou has shaped for me?

page 285

---does this sound like son of god to you?

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And how do you know that these people did really write these testiments?

The earliest copies are 10s of years after their death.

They did not know how to write ( they were all fishermen!)

Wrong. Only five of the twelve disciples were known to have been fisherman.

Fishing was a very lucrative business in those days. Zebedee, the father of two of the disciples, James and John, was a successful fisherman who ran a crew. We also know that another two brothers (also disciples), Peter and Andrew, worked together with James and John.

Since when was it decided that fisherman were unable to write? :unsure:

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wrong, all diciples were fishermen but one. ( Paul and Luke and John of revelations are not deciples, but late comers, never met jesus)

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Slocym, you are displaying pure ignorance. John, who wrote all the books of John plus the Book of Revelation was indeed one of the 12 disciples.

For your information here are all of them:

Fisherman:

Simon Peter

Andrew (Peter's brother)

James (son of Zebedee)

John (son of Zebedee)

Phillip

Tax Collector:

Matthew

Unknown:

Bartholomew

Thomas

James (son of Alphaeus)

Judas (Thaddaeus, son of James)

Simon

Judas Iscariot

Please prove to us where in the Bible it says all the disciples were fisherman?

Since you think you know more about our Bible than we do, please also provide evidence that the last 6 were all fisherman. :wacko:

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And how do you know that these people did really write these testiments?

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Beats me how he knows that. All the evidence is that none of the disciples ever wrote a book.

They did not know how to write ( they were all fishermen!)

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You are correct. They did not know how to write. It is assumed that the disciples Peter, James, and John all told their stories to John Mark who then wrote the Book of Mark. Those who believe that 1 Peter was actually written by Peter, assume that he dictated it to a secretary (Some try and make it John Mark but John Mark's Greek wasn't that good.).

Even if they wrote them they were changed in few words to look like what we have now.

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I would say that more than just a "few words" were changed.

Any how, I am talking about the GOSPEL ( THE REAL GOSPEL) written by jesus himself, in his words, he is speaking, or God is the speaker ( just like the old testament) this is all found in the dead sea scrolls ( they are the Pesharim scrolls, the War scroll, the Temple scroll, the Barick Nafsi scroll, and the most important of all ((((The Personal Hymns scroll)))) written by Jesus himself.

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I assume you believe the "Teacher of Righteousness" is Jesus? According to the "Damascus Document" of the Essenes, this "Righteous One" joined them 410 years after Nebuchadnezer's capture of Jerusalem which would have been about 172 BCE. This would have been during the reign of Antiochus who had sold the Temple priesthood to the highest bidder in 173 BCE (and, again, in 171 BCE), putting the "Righteous Teacher" (a descendant of Zadok) out of a job and he joined the Essenes. Later, the Maccabee's (166-37 BCE) took over and continued to deny him the priesthood, giving it, instead, to themselves (the Asmonean Dynasty). In 152 BCE, Jonathon Maccabee appointed himself priest, starting a second population influx at Qumran. The Essenes (who had been in existence since about 192 BCE at the very earliest by my calculations (*)) continued to support the deposed "Righteous Teacher" and called themselves the "Sons of Zadok". Later, the Maccabee's eventually aligned themselves with the Sadducees who claimed descent from Zadok (Probably a false, but convenient, claim in order to counter the criticisms of the Essenes, as the Sadducees were hellenistic.).

According to the coins recovered at the caves of Qumran, the heaviest period of occupation there coincided with the rule of the Macabbee's John Hyrcanus (134-104 B.C ), eldest son of Simon, as High Priest and ethnarch. The Pharisee, Saduccee, and Essene parties were established about 109 BCE, which corresponds to when the population at Qumran began to decrease.

Perhaps of interest is that the Essenes called Qumran "Damascus". Paul was on his way to "Damascus" when he converted. Paul could not have been on his way to Damascus, Syria since Jerusalem authority did not extend to Damascus, Syria. The greater likelyhood is that Paul was enroute to Qumran to persecute the Essenes there. For example, the Book of Acts records:

Acts 9:1-30:

Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked him for letters to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

Although there were no women at Qumran, the Essenes called themselves "the Way".

Ananias, "a disciple at Damascus (Qumran)", miraculously cures Paul of his blindness. The Essenes practised healing.

Paul was baptized there (Qumran had baptism pools). Paul preaches Christ in Damascus (Qumran). The Jews there plot to kill him, "but his disciples took him by night and let him down over the wall, lowering him in a basket". He immediately goes to Jerusalem and preaches against the "Hellenists" (Sadducees).

Later, Paul returns to "Damascus" where he spends 3 years (Galatians 1:17-18 and Acts 9:22-23).... The time to be initiated into the Essenes was from 2-3 years.

* The Essenes movement may have begun when the Greeks created the position of Nasi in about 191 BCE when the Sanhedrin lost confidence in the ability of the high priests to serve as the head of their body. This would have been the first blow to the Temple authority of the line of Zadok and may have caused a few supporters of Zadok to found Qumran.

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Do you think I am stupid?

There are two damascus documents, one found in Geniza of Cairo in 1900 Ad and one similar and shorter and different in Qumran scrolls.

Both share that the teacher retired with his diciples to the LAND OF DAMASCUS. Also in both mentioned the term ( New Testement) and ( Good News)

But the one found in Cairo was deposited in 900 AD by a jew.

You are reading from the Document found in Damascus!( the corrupted one)

There is no mention of 410 years in Qumran one. There are differences.

The one in Qumran was a leaflet to distribute in secret to the population.

The one found in Cairo made in 900 AD!

There is no need to reissue the warning leaflet 900 years after it was supposed ( the retiring of the teacher to Land of Damascus) what important news it brings 900 years after the ordeal of the real Jesus?

of course the Cairo found document is a forgery by jews who added stuff.

Notice that the essenes were enemies of Pharaisies, why would they deposit their scripture in the dirtiest place for them ( a synogoge? of Rabbies)

The scrolls written in the name of the Teacher were in Herodian script ( meaning they were written after Herod became king, even if you sware to me on YHWH that the Carbon dating was 400 BC ( oyu can not be driving a car in 1700AD, got it)

Now stup stupidizing people. Aren't you shame of bull ( in-your-face) lying?

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There are two damascus documents, one found in Geniza of Cairo in 1900 Ad and one similar and shorter and different in Qumran scrolls.

Both share that the teacher retired with his diciples to the LAND OF DAMASCUS.

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Regarding "Damascus" or the "land of Damascus", three broad understandings of this term have been proposed, with some combined permutations. It could be a literal reference to the city in Syria; it could refer obliquely to Babylonia; or it could be a secret code word for a completely unrelated location, generally thought to be the site of Qumran itself. The literal meaning is implied in 6.4-5, which refers to "the converts (or "returnees") of Israel who went out of the land of Judah and sojourned in the land of Damascus." But the word Damascus is explicitly derived from the prophetic oracle in Amos 5:26-27, which threatens the apostate Judeans with exile "beyond Damascus". The site of Qumran is "beyond Damascus" and is a self imposed site of exile.

Also in both mentioned the term ( New Testement) and ( Good News)

But the one found in Cairo was deposited in 900 AD by a jew.

You are reading from the Document found in Damascus!( the corrupted one)

There is no mention of 410 years in Qumran one. There are differences.

The one in Qumran was a leaflet to distribute in secret to the population.

The one found in Cairo made in 900 AD!

There is no need to reissue the warning leaflet 900 years after it was supposed ( the retiring of the teacher to Land of Damascus) what important news it brings 900 years after the ordeal of the real Jesus?

of course the Cairo found document is a forgery by jews who added stuff.

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The additions have been identified. But first, we must agree that the fragments recovered from Qumran are incomplete. Fragments of eight manuscripts of the Damascus Document were found in Qumran Cave 4 (4Q266-273), with scripts dated paleographically from the first century BCE to the first century CE. In addition small bits of the work survive in a manuscript from Cave 5 (5Q12) and another from Cave 6 (6Q15). If the scrolls found are incomplete fragments, as claimed, then the re-united work will, by definition, be less complete (shorter) than the original.

Now to the "additions". Your Cairo script contains the following material not found in the Qumran scrolls:

The references to Nebuchadnezzar do not fit the poetic structure of the passage found in the Qumran scrolls. They are clearly secondary additions to it by a later editor. 4Q256 (4QSb) has the same overall structure as 1QS (i.e., it includes cols. 1QS cols. 1-4, 10-11) but significant differences in detail, differences that seem to correspond in the middle part of the work to the recension found in 4Q258.

4Q258 (4QSd) omits 1QS cols. 1-4 but otherwise seems to be the same recension as 4Q256. The following variants from 1QS 5:1-9 are noteworthy. The rubric in 1QS 5.1, "This is the rule (Serek) for the men of the Yah9ad," takes the form "Midrash for the Sage (Maskil) concerning the men of the Torah" in 4Q258. The phrase "to become a Yah9ad" in 1QS 5.2 reads slightly differently as "to come together" in 4Q258. The phrase "Sons of Zadok" is found twice in this passage in 1QS but appears instead as, respectively "the Many" and "the council of the men of the Yah9ad" in 4Q258.

The fragments of 4Q259 (4QSe) commence with material corresponding to 1QS 7 but the opening column of the manuscript is lost and it is unclear if it contained the equivalent of 1QS cols. 1-4. It is missing 1QS 8.15b-9.11 (which consists of community precepts to be followed until the coming of the "prophet" and the "Messiahs of Israel and Aaron") and the hymn in 10.9 ff. It ended with a calendrical text (4QOtot/4Q319) rather than the two texts found at the end of 1QS.

The Cave 4 manuscripts show beyond a doubt that there is some value to the redaction-critical approach. They demonstrate, for example, that 1QS 1-4 and the final hymn in 1QS 10-11 are separable units that were not part of the work during its whole history. We find multiple recensions of the work even in the Qumran manuscripts themselves, one (1QS) which gives the priests authority where another (4Q256 and 4Q258) gives it to the Yah9ad as a democratic body. It is debatable whether the priestly recension is the more original, as argued by Philip Alexander, or the democratic recension, as argues by Sarianna Metso (but both were found at Qumran). The paleographic evidence would support the former position in that 1QS is an earlier copy than either 4Q256 or 4Q258.

The Community Rule and Damascus Document share a good bit of technical terminology and some overlapping legal traditions. For example, both apply the title "sons of light" to members, and they share versions of a penal code, which is found in 1QS 7 and 4Q266 10 ii-11//4Q267 9 vi//4Q269 11 i-ii//4Q270 7 i (Baumgarten's column numbers - numbered somewhat differently in DSST). But the two works also differ significantly in both areas. The "Teacher of Righteousness" figures prominently in the Damascus Document but never appears at all in the Community Rule. And the penal codes, although evidently based on the same template, differ in many ways. Some of the laws appear in one code but not the other, and sometimes the penalty for a given infraction is different in the two codes. To complicate matters further, another manuscript, 4Q265, is a large fragment of another rule. It preserves, among other things, a version of the same penal code with parallels to both the Damascus Document and the Community Rule but one evidently redacted independently of either.

The overall feel of the groups portrayed in the two works is rather different as well. The Community Rule describes a close-knit "Community" or " Yah9ad" that holds possessions in common; it advances a harshly dualistic world view that is hostile to outsiders; it generally deals with men only; and it views the group members as a spiritual Temple and seems to reject literal sacrifices in the Jerusalem Temple. But the Damascus Document assigns its group members to "camps"; covers numerous issues pertaining to family and business; and assumes the members participate in the Temple cult.

Source: Summary of a lecture by J. R. Davila on 15 February 2005

I tried to find the most current opinion available. While there are admitted differences between the Egyptian copy and the Qumran originals, the differences deal mostly with the community rules. As the evidence is that the Essenes of Qumran were in contact with a similar sect in Egypt (The scrolls being found in Egyptian pottery) the most obvious explanation is that the Egyptian sect took the Qumran scroll copies of their own and went through the community rules, keeping what they wanted for their own community and changing that which they disgreed with. Simply put, one can reason that the Egyptian sect borrowed from, but did not fully adopt, the Essenes social constituton. The result, the Damascus Document, would be the Egyptians finished work and it would be their own.

Notice that the essenes were enemies of Pharaisies, why would they deposit their scripture in the dirtiest place for them ( a synogoge? of Rabbies)

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Because they were looking for a place to deposit them "beyond Damascus".

They could not deposit them in the Temple as the Macabbeans controlled the Temple in the time period I gave. That was an invitation for them to be either altered or destroyed. By preserving their Torah scrolls, they protected them against the Macabbeans.

The scrolls written in the name of the Teacher were in Herodian script ( meaning they were written after Herod became king, even if you sware to me on YHWH that the Carbon dating was 400 BC ( oyu can not be driving a car in 1700AD, got it)

Now stup stupidizing people. Aren't you shame of bull ( in-your-face) lying?

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The scripts have been identified and dated paleographically from the first century BCE to the first century CE. For example, Frank Moore Cross dated the script of 1QS (Cave 1) to c. 100-75 BCE for the Community Rules. The oldest copy of the Community Rules has been dated to 100-125 BCE.

This corresponds to the coins which show the caves were occupied principally from 135 BCE to 104 BCE. If Jesus wrote these scrolls he would have had to be at least 160 years old when he rode into Jerusalem.

My explanation fits all the facts. Naturally, I could be wrong so I await your correction.

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