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U.S. Says 17 Iraqi Soldiers Surrender

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KUWAIT (Reuters) - Seventeen Iraqi soldiers have given themselves up to U.S.-led forces in northern Kuwait, U.S. military sources said Wednesday

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...it_defection_dc

Iraq War Illegal but Trial Unlikely, Lawyers Say

BERLIN (Reuters) - President Bush (news - web sites) and his allies are unlikely to face trial for war crimes although many nations and legal experts say a strike on Iraq (news - web sites) without an explicit U.N. mandate breaches international law.

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NORTHERN KUWAIT, March 19 — U.S. warplanes bombed Iraqi artillery just north of Kuwait on Wednesday, softening up the path of U.S. and British troops poised to invade Iraq, NBC News has learned. The bombing came as 17 Iraqi soldiers surrendered at the border. The Pentagon hoped tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers would follow suit as the clock ticked toward the 8 p.m. ET deadline set by the United States for Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq or face attack

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Bismehe Ta3ala,

Assalam 3la man taba3 al houda,

Outspoken,

You are doing more damage to Islam by spewing your personal hatred towards American policy then showing that Islam is the religion of peace, justice, humanity, love, and understanding you stated.

When I read your posts I don't see any of those qualities you stated as a practicing Muslim. Comments like that you wanted to kill Seraphim and you celeberated the killings of 9/11 victims with a is unislamic.

Oh yeah! i'm one of those who were dancing with joy and happiness , it was my best and happiest day in all my life. You deserve 365 9/11 not only one because you're terrorists and murderers.

Even though i believe it was the jews who did 9/11, i was happy!

I know that i'm not the representative of all muslims in the world but this is my opinion and i'm sure it's the opinion of all people who oppose America and its criminal war. Also you don't represent all Muslims and shiacaht.com. you just stated your personal opinion.

Please do yourself a favor and take a few minutues of your time before you spew your venom again and read shiachat.com's policy.

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?ac...=ST&f=16&t=2603

Preaching will do nothing at this critical stage. The blind deaf dump jews will never listen to you. Their hearts are blacked and blinded with hatred to all muslims.

You must have forgotten that Imam al Hussain 3la Salam preached till the day he died. Through Imam al Hussain's preaching we had people like Hurr who left Yazzid's army and fought on the side of the truth. Islam wasn't spread by the sword but rather by the kind beautiful peaceful words. Imam al Hussain's heart wasn't black and blinded, he cried for his enemies because he said they are going to go to hell because of me. The Ahul-Beit are our role-models. We should strive to follow the words of Allah through the teachings of the Ahul-Beit.

Me: BTW, Outspoken has only posted like 8 times, who knows he might not be a Muslim and just want to give Muslims a bad name, like enough Muslims haven't done that already. Unfortuantly, this is the case.

I testify that:

1-There's no God but Allah

2-Mohammad is the messenger of Allah

3-Ali wali Allah

Oh shame on you! How dare you accuse your brothers of not being muslims without any evendence? are sure i'm not a muslim?

You're accusing me of Kufr just to please Kuffar!!! true muslis should n't accuse their brothers & sisters of Kufr. where's your breaching? you're just breaching about islam!

Can you testify to me that you're a muslim?

Allah a3lem. It's one thing saying it from the tounge, it is another thing if you truly mean it by your heart and follow what you claim. Allah yahdeek wa yahdeena wa jam3 al mo2menian. By your actions, I said you might not be Muslim, but I didn't say you were a kafir.

Death to America Death to Israel Death to England Death to Australia Death to Spain Death to Bush Death to Sharon Death to all Zionists who support terrorist Bush and his criminal war on Iraq!
If you signature represents what you feel, you should also put down the countries from the Arab world that support the removal of Saddam. I also support any country that wants to oust Saddam. YA ZADTHLEM ILLIAK YOUM. His time has come. As Ari Fleisher said, it will be his "Final Mistake." Iraqi people suffered enough, especially the shi3a, they shi3a always suffer, and they always have the most casualties. Our ulema has been killed, and are under house arrest for many years.

What will happen to Sayyid Seeistani hafdtou Allah, since he is under house arrest?

May your families be safe Insh'Allah, isa2al Allah innou yistar 3lehoun wa wafeekhoun fil khair wa younsoroun 3la saddam.

M3 Salamah, FE AMIN Allah

(bismillah)

layla,

Assalam 3la man taba3at al houda,

Thanks for the nice lessons. i'll send you a PM or email to give you some nice lessons in politics & religion. it seems to me that you're a very intelligent & mature person!

your muslim brother

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Bahrain Offers Safe Haven for Saddam

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ea/bahrain_iraq

maybe he will accept it after he sees himself losing,

I had heard this earlier from another sis, but I just heard it myself on EuroNews, but there are reports circulating that Tariq Aziz w/family tried to flee from Iraq yet was either injured or killed courtesy of Saddam's goons.

i hope so, i hate that guy, he so annoying, let them kill each other,

maybe its true, becuz they may have had disagreement on strategy

approx 2:15 left till deadline, this is intense..sad-smiley-068.gif

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NORTHERN KUWAIT, March 19 — U.S. warplanes launched at least six strikes on Iraqi air defense, communications and weapons systems Wednesday just north of Kuwait, softening up the path for U.S. and British troops who were poised to invade Iraq, NBC News has learned. The Pentagon said 17 of what it hoped would eventually be tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers crossed the border into Kuwait and defected.

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Aziz ends defection rumours

19/03/2003 20:58 - (SA)

Baghdad - Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz met reporters in Baghdad on Wednesday dressed in military uniform and with a pistol strapped to his belt, scotching rumours he had defected or been shot trying to flee.

"For me, as well as for ... the courageous Iraqi leadership, we were born in Iraq and we will die in Iraq - either as matryrs, which is a great honour, or naturally," said Aziz, one of the closest aides of President Saddam Hussein.

Rumours of the imprisonment, flight or death of members of Saddam's administration are not uncommon and have rarely turned out to have any basis in fact.

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraque/...1335688,00.html

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US, British special forces involved in firefight

19/03/2003 23:24 - (SA)

London - British and US special forces were involved in a fierce firefight near Iraq's main port of Umm qasr in southern Iraq, a British evening newspaper said on Wednesday.

The fighting, the first reported in the war against Iraq, was believed to involve elite troops from Britain's Special Boat Service and United States marines, the Evening Standard said, without specifying its sources.

The fighting, near the southern Iraqi city of Basra, was part of operations to prepare landing sites for amphibious craft during an invasion, the paper said.

Other special units were deep inside Iraq on secret operations to prepare landing strips in the desert for airborne troops, the Evening Standard added.

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"For me, as well as for ... the courageous Iraqi leadership, we were born in Iraq and we will die in Iraq - either as matryrs, which is a great honour, or naturally"

YAA HUSSEIN! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

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Why are you counting? The war is on already:

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- With coalition warplanes striking Iraqi artillery sites, a military convoy headed toward Iraq, and Iraqi troops already surrendering to U.S. forces, there are clear signs of impending war in the few hours remaining before the U.S. deadline expires for Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and his sons to leave Iraq.

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assalamu alaikum

this is the hadith of the day it just kinda seemed appropriate to post here considering the situation...

It is narrated that the Prophet (saw) has said:

Whoever walks with an oppressor in order to help him,

knowing that he is an oppressor, has left Islam.

Prophetic Traditions in Islam

On the Authority of the Family of the Prophet

Page 229 Hadith number 1219

Shaykh Fadhlalla Haeri

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Saddam faces war as deadline passes

1.22AM GMT, 20 Mar 2003

The US deadline for Saddam Hussein to quit Iraq or face war has passed, with no sign that the Iraqi president has complied - nor of instant military strikes in Baghdad.

Reports from the US said warplanes from at least two US aircraft carriers struck targets just hours before the 1am deadline for Saddam Hussein to leave Iraq or face war.

Aircraft from the Abraham Lincoln bombed command and control facilities in southwest Iraq after coalition aircraft patrolling a no-fly zone were fired on by Iraqi forces, Rear Admiral John Kelly said.

Eight F-18 "Hornets" and two F-14 "Tomcat" strike aircraft from the carrier Kitty Hawk hit targets in southeastern Iraq - their first such strikes in support of the no-fly zone since the carrier entered the region nearly a month ago.

Warplanes had also dropped 2 million leaflets telling Iraqi troops how to surrender in any war over Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction.

On the ground, there have been reports that special forces have started fighting in the southern city of Basra.

Additionally, Allied forces have moved into the demilitarised zone on the Kuwait-Iraq border. The DMZ extends three miles into Kuwait and five miles into Iraq.

It is not clear how far the troops have advanced, but a British Army spokesman said soldiers have taken up "forward battle positions".

A Kuwaiti security force source said: "Troops walked into the demilitarised zone this morning. American convoys are still driving towards Umm qasr."

Small groups of engineers slipped into the DMZ last week to cut gates in the border fence.

Meanwhile, Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz has appeared at a press conference to scotch rumours that he had defected to Northern Iraq. Iraq had earlier slammed the reports as "cheap lies".

The troops' movements come after reports that fierce sandstorms in parts of the Kuwaiti desert has cut visibility for troops stationed there to just a few metres.

The weather is reducing visibility and driving grit into soldiers' eyes and high-tech equipment.

Major Charles Heyman, an expert in London who is in contact with troops on the ground, said: "The wind is blowing and the sand is really hurting your face.

"The problem is not just one of visibility but one of serviceability. A lot of equipment can get covered in sand and it gets into the sensitive areas of the equipment.

"There is nothing else to do but clean it up and sit it out. It is the nature of military operations that things do not always go to plan. It makes life difficult but not impossible.

"These are trained hardened soldiers and it will not affect them badly."

Sandstorms are the desert's equivalent of a rainstorm, said one weather forecaster, adding: "It is dry throughout the year, leaving lots of material on the ground which is picked up when the wind blows. They are commonplace."

It would limit the ability of pilots to bomb accurately and minimise civilian casualties.

But it would have little effect on the satellite-guided missiles and bombs that now make up the majority of the US arsenal.

Some pundits believe a sandstorm even has benefits for the attackers, blinding opposition forces and cooling the desert heat for troops moving forward in stifling chemical protection suits.

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Fleeing Before the Carnage

Essam Al-Ghalib, Arab News War Correspondent

On what UN chief Kofi Annan said was a “sad day” for the world, Baghdad was virtually a ghost town as residents fled but there was little sign of Iraqi military preparations for a conflict likely to change the face of the Middle East. After Bush formally told Congress war was now the only recourse, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said the administration hoped for a short conflict but warned of “many unknowns”.

Caught in a swirling sandstorm in the northern Kuwait desert, US and British troops advanced to the border where a UN-patrolled demilitarized zone was set up after the 1991 Gulf War.

“All elements of the US armed forces are currently repositioning close to the Iraq border,” said one US commander, Colonel Will Grimsley.

Iraqi officials told Bush he was sending his troops to certain death as legislators meeting at an emergency session pledged to shed their blood to defend the man who has led them since 1979.

“I know that millions of people around the world share this sense of disappointment and are deeply alarmed by the prospect of imminent war.” Yesterday, the Security Council turned its attention to fears of a humanitarian catastrophe with officials working on plans to cope with a possible flight of 600,000 Iraqi refugees.

Already, tens of thousands of people have been pouring into northern Iraq’s autonomous Kurdish region from government-controlled areas and neighboring Turkey and Jordan are bracing for waves of refugees.

“Our task now is to do everything we possibly can to avert a humanitarian disaster,” German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said at the meeting, which was boycotted by his British and US counterparts.

In a ghostlike Baghdad, residents were scrambling to gather stocks of food, medicines and fuel but most shops had shut their doors and prices for basic supplies had doubled or tripled and the value of the dinar tumbled.

“We are not wondering whether there would be war anymore,” said one taxi driver. “We are just anxious about the exact time the bombs will start raining on Baghdad, our great Arab ancient city before the eyes of a heedless world.”

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screw the US, screw Saddam, viva l'Iraq. I hope the US gov't digs it's own grave in the sands of Iraq.

This post has been edited by Averroes on Mar 20 2003, 01:31 AM

Averroes. I know that we fight like cats and dogs sometimes but with imminent war approaching I will pray that no harm comes to your family back in Iraq. These must be difficult times for you.

May Allah protect your family and every other innocent person in Iraq. I'm still praying that Saddam just walks away.

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Bush gives order to attack Iraq

Air raid sirens heard in Baghdad

Wednesday, March 19, 2003 Posted: 10:23 PM EST (0323 GMT

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush announced Wednesday night he has ordered the attack on Iraq to begin.

"American and coalition forces are in the early stages of miltary operations to disarm Iraq, to free its people and to defend the world from grave danger," Bush said.

He said the first strikes were against "selected targets of military importance.

A Pentagon official told CNN that cruise missiles were fired against "a target of opportunity," described as a "leadership target."

Air raid sirens were heard in Baghdad at about 5:30 a.m. Thursday (9:30 p.m. Wednesday ET) about 90 minutes after the U.S. deadline for Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to step down or face a U.S.-led military attack.

The United States and Britain have massed nearly 300,000 troops in the Persian Gulf region.

Earlier, Adm. Timothy Keating, commander of the U.S. 5th Fleet, said allied forces were prepared to carry out an "unprecedented" campaign: "If we go, the plans we have are unlike anything anyone has ever seen before."

In the hours leading up to the deadline, about a dozen U.S. and coalition warplanes dropped precision munitions on nearly a dozen Iraqi artillery pieces in the southern no-fly zone that could have been in range of American troops poised to invade southern Iraq, Pentagon officials told CNN.

Warplanes also struck Iraqi cable repeater sites and command and control sites. In addition, at least one Al Ababil surface-to-surface missile launcher was struck.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/19/...main/index.html

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Baghdad Hit by Sustained Air Raid

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Sporadic explosions continued to rock the outskirts of Baghdad on Thursday, 100 minutes after U.S. air strikes began a war to overthrow Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).

Reuters correspondents in the city center said a dawn wave of jet aircraft attacks did not appear to have been repeated, suggesting that later blasts were caused by missiles.

U.S. officials said F-117A stealth fighters and long-range cruise missiles were used in the attack. They said it was a limited strike and Washington had not yet unleashed the huge aerial attack that is expected in coming days.

There was a lull in anti-aircraft fire in Baghdad. Reuters correspondent Hassan Hafidh said that, judging from his vantage point and the apparent sources of the explosions, anti-aircraft batteries seemed to have been targeted.

A U.S. government source said attacks were aimed at "elements of the Iraqi leadership."

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Battles between protestent and catholic have raged for 500 years in europe, That is the biggest reason that people moved to america. Later it was a cause of 3 wars between mexico and the US.

Later mobs incited by fanatics drove many into the american west, into the deserts among the mountains, they were ordered to leave the US or be killed. Thousands died along the trails.

When my ancestors were celebrating 10 years of living in Salt lake city riders arrived to inform them that the US army was marching to destroy them. They managed to stop the army in wyoming until the next spring. When the army entered the valley all the people had fled into the mountains and deserts, the temple foundation had been buried to conceal it, houses and buildings were piled with straw and men with axes and torches stood by to cut down the fruit trees and burn the city and the army to the ground. - After negotiation the army marched through without stopping or turning and built a camp to the west, our people had practiced polygamy, they were hunted down imprisoned, children deprived of fathers froze and starved , we had to foreswear our religious liberty to survive. The occupation has lasted to this day.

In 1860 the southern states left the union over religion ( the noth tried to impose thier fanatisism on the south). the resulting civil war killed more american soldiers than have died in all our wars since. General Sherman razed a 50 mile wide swath though the best lands from the mountains to the ocean. The scars are only now beginning to heal.

When General Lee of the south surrendered to Grant of the north his men were sent home with their small arms and horses. That small courtesy has been remembered forever since. Lee's farm was turned into a burial ground.

The wars incited by the french between indian and settler started over catholic vs quaker and protestant - ending with christian vs heathen (or so the christian ? said) lasted for nearly 300 years, resulting in more waste of men women and children than one wants to recall.

Our people have had to learn the true value of freedom the hard way - today we still have some who have not learned - who would trade liberty for security and "peace" and deserve neither. This is why we do not attack all of the nations we disagree with, or unseat all dictators - we have neither the right, nor would those people learn how to govern themselves. Now that the taliban have been routed some complain that we are too quick to leave . But there are times that it seems our leaders feel they must intervene when the wickedness gets to be too much of a threat to ignore.

The european and other wars of the last century left deep scars on a nation already scarred by war- and introspective enough to discuss them and learn from them. WWII was a product of waiting too long to cut down Hitler- to Chamberlain's eternal disgrace. In vietnam we were to quick to support france- and too blind to see what it would do until russia added it to it's empire. The best we could do was fight until our will and theirs was spent.

In the years since each of these happenings we have sworn to oppose tyrants, to fight for liberty, to allow all men freedom to worship as he may. - so long as he hurts no one else. This has been taught, and the meaning discussed openly and freely for all to see. We have respect for europe but have no use for their politics and lack of respect for individual human rights, we have had to learn how to live better lives.

This in part is the Truth that I recognised in the Koran, The truth that I confessed when I accepted the prophet (pbuh) and the koran ! the truth that the Prophet (pbuh) taught in the very spot this war may be fought! If it were not for mans wickedness these truths would be celebrated- instead we see muslims cursing jews, christians calling muslims terrorists, wahabis sowing dissention.

This nation lives by laws and principles closer to those of islamic law when it comes to religious liberty and the freedom of a man to worship God, chose his leaders, serve his fellow man and raise his family and conduct his business - the very pillars of Islam - than europe ever has, than many middle eastern dictatorships would dream of allowing their citizens - If there are those that abuse their freedom and sin - then god will and does punish them sooner or later. We have had to learn that to live by any other law brings nothing but misery.

Nobody here wants to take oil for free, paying for it is good enough- it helps them out as well . Truth be told there is more oil here in the overthrust belt in wyoming than in Sadams whole country. All the oil I use is drilled and refined within 250 miles of where I stand. Not a load of it will ever leave to the US but it will be paid for. God commands that men conduct business, and farm, and hunt and fish to feed their families. If what we had wanted was oil then we would not have refused to buy sadam's for a decade, Does not he Koran say that a [Edited Out] should be locked in her house? Is sadam better than a [Edited Out]? All he had to do was walk away from power and his people would have been free to sell all the oil and buy everthing that they wanted. No man , no wicked man, is worth the death of so many children. There comes a time when right is right. Oil isn't worth a war - human freedom and liberty is.

When you see a US soldier he is a product of the events meantioned. Almost every one has been taught of his heritage, of the suffering that war has brought, but more so the even more terrible price to be paid for not facing and destroying evil when it is still small enough to kill without sending the whole world up in flames. ( when I read shia writings I see the same things- shias have suffered and know the price of complacency- but have the patience to give others their freedom - and at times die for their beliefs) Most would gladly die themselves than kill an innocent person but they - especially the older ones have no tolerance for for tyrany. They are drilled and trained to move swiftly and surely , and to spare all that will let them. His daily nightmare is to be guilty of harming any inocent person. the movie "blackhawk down" has been seen by most- and the lessons learned. the nightmare of all is the soldier who killed a man and had to face the orphaned family - fear of having that happen permeates the entire force. That is why they spend millions on guided bombs rather than using the cheaper rolling thunder of the carpet bombing - they have too much guilt over the unneeded death of past wars and the memory of too many lost companions. The best fighter is the one who wins without killing, the next one is the one who kills cleanly. The least respected is the one who kills or hurts without cause- he is removed from the service or imprisoned as a criminal . - But more than those fears is the fear that future generations will like in slavery because he failed.

I hope and pray daily - and now hourly , that this will end like japan after WWII or germany, or italy, that democracy with all of it's faults , and all of its freedoms will somehow replace the dictators. The idea of one man one vote was never meant to mean for one candidate one time. -Man was meant to run his own affairs - subject to God. Even a slave was allowed under islamic law to earn his freedom. When a dictator doesn't give his people the freedom of slaves - don't defend him. When your cousins deliver you from a madman - don't shoot them.

I pray that you and yours come through this safe.

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Latest PICS of Gulf War II

1. Three U.S.S. Donald Cook based Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles are seen Thursday morning, March 20, 2003, in the Red Sea, as they head towards Iraq

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...ml&e=7&ncid=481

2. In this image from video, a flash of light is seen in the background in Baghdad, Iraq, early Thursday, March 20, 2003. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor....html&e=1&ncid=

Please add more pics if you find any

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