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LONDON [MENL] -- Iran has agreed to examine an Iraqi request to supply Baghdad with intermediate-range missiles and combat aircraft.

Western intelligence sources said Iran and Iraq have agreed to establish a committee to discuss the request by President Saddam Hussein for the Shihab-3 intermediate-range missiles as well as up to 100 aircraft. The sources said the Iranian agreement to consider Baghdad's request comes amid rapidly improving relations between the two countries.

"Iran won't do anything that is rash," a senior Western intelligence analyst said. "But the mere fact that Iran did not say no to the Iraqi request is significant and reflects how far their relations have developed."

The Iranian side of the proposed panel would be represented by Gen. Mohammed Baqer Zolqadr, deputy commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. The sources said the Iranians want the panel to examine ways to ensure that any weapons supplied by Teheran would not be used against the Islamic regime.

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salamun alaikum

you know the us helpd saddam with its chemical weapons so iran has every right to sell what ever it wants to saddy.

now we have to see if it will help our brothers or hurt them then will it help iran or hurt it?

personaly i dont think the iraqi HEZBALLAH has a chance to get rid of him, unless iran attacks with them but then iraqis would unite against iran so thats out the window.     now will saddee use them on us, maybe but i doubt it cuz he is enemy #1 cuz of ho close he is to the zionist, so he cant take the chance of wiping out iran( a potential ally).momenin  please add your comments

wasalam

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It was on CNN just tonight, a guy named Kalzmin or something, he used to work for the USA intelligence....He said in 1982 Iraq was using chemical weapons against the Iranians, and the USA knew about it, but they didnt' care, they're message was do what you can to take over Iran.  They regarded the Iranians as a hostile threat to the USA.  

But he said now Saddam is the threat to USA, and this time Israel might Ally with USA against SAddam.  But they are debating whether to tell Israel to not participate in attacking, because the arab countries could get hostile.

That was the reason why Israel didn't aid in attacking in the gulf war.

I don't think Iran would aid Saddam though, unless saddam ousts the terrorist group mojahedeen e khalq. that's in Iraq.  But Iran should find a way to aid the Iraqi people.

salam.

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bro, iran cant take on iraq, chemical weapons would wipe tehran out, so whats left? if the shia and kurd brothers stand up same will happen to them, the only way is for a major sunni uprising in central iraq and the north and south, then he will have to wipe out all of iraq which i dont think he will, maybe im wrong.

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bro, we have said for the past 20 some years what has just been publishd a few days ago, please dont go against me on this, the us knew saddy had them and gave saddy locations of iranian troops so he could bomb them, the us knew when saddy got them,from who he got them and helpd him use them and gave him cash to buy them.

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please dont go against me on this, the us knew saddy had them and gave saddy locations of iranian troops so he could bomb them, the us knew when saddy got them,from who he got them and helpd him use them and gave him cash to buy them.

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Reagan aided Iraq despite chemical weapons -report

NEW YORK, Aug 17 (Reuters) - The United States gave Iraq vital battle-planning help during its war with Iran as part of a secret program under President Ronald Reagan even though U.S. intelligence agencies knew the Iraqis would unleash chemical weapons, The New York Times reported on its Web site on Saturday.

The highly classified covert program involved more than 60 officers of the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency who provided detailed information on Iranian military deployments, tactical planning for battles, plans for airstrikes and bomb-damage assessments for Iraq, the Times said.

The Times said it based its report on comments by senior U.S. military officers with direct knowledge of the program, most of whom agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity.

Iraq and neighboring Iran waged a vicious and costly war from September 1980 to August 1988, with estimates of 1 million people killed and millions more left as refugees.

U.S. intelligence officers never encouraged or condoned the use of chemical weapons by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's forces, but also never opposed such action because they considered Iraq to be struggling for its survival and feared that Iran would overrun the crucial oil-producing Gulf states, the Times reported.

It has been known for some time that the United States provided intelligence assistance to Iraq during the war in the form of satellite photography to help the Iraqis understand how Iranian forces were deployed. But the complete scope of the program had not been known until now, the Times said.

The Times noted that Iraq's deployment of chemical weapons during its war with Iran has been invoked by President George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice, Bush's national security adviser, as justification for seeking "regime change" in Iraq.

'A CATASTROPHIC EFFECT'

"Having gone through the 440 days of the hostage crisis in Iran, the period when we were the Great Satan, if Iraq had gone down it would have had a catastrophic effect on Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and the whole region might have gone down. That was the backdrop of the policy," the Times quoted an unidentified former Defense Intelligence Agency official as saying.

While senior officials of the Reagan administration publicly condemned Iraq's use of mustard gas, sarin, VX and other chemical weapons, Reagan, Vice President George Bush -- the father of the current U.S. president -- and senior national security aides never withdrew their support for the covert program, the Times quoted military officers as saying.

Current Secretary of State Colin Powell, who at the time served as national security adviser, was among the Reagan administration officials who publicly condemned Iraq for its use of poison gas, especially one incident in March 1988.

The Times said that in early 1988, after the Iraqis, with U.S. planning assistance, retook a key peninsula in an attack that restored Iraqi access to the Gulf, defense intelligence officer Lt. Col. Rick Francona was dispatched to tour the battlefield with Iraqi officers.

Francona found that Iraq had used chemical weapons to secure its victory, observing zones marked off for chemical contamination and seeing unmistakable evidence that Iraqi soldiers had taken injections to guard against the effects of poison gas used against the Iranians, the Times said.

Powell, through a spokesman, called the Times account of the program "dead wrong," but declined to discuss it, the newspaper said. Both the Defense Intelligence Agency and retired Lt. Gen. Leonard Perroots, who supervised the program as the head of the agency, refused to comment, the Times said.

 

08/17/02 21:18 ET

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NEW YORK, Aug 17 (Reuters) - The United States gave Iraq vital battle-planning help during its war with Iran as part of a secret program under President Ronald Reagan even though U.S. intelligence agencies knew the Iraqis would unleash chemical weapons, The New York Times reported on its Web site on Saturday.

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Saddam's regime dropped chemical weapons on Halabja in Northern Iraq in 1988. More than 5000 civilians were killed. In March 1991, Saddam used chemical weapons against the Shias in Najaf and Kerbala to crush the uprising after the Gulf War.

Senior military officers revealed that the Reagan administration had provided Iraq with critical battle planning assistance in waging decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s. The assistance was given at a time when American intelligence agencies knew that Iraq had already employed chemical weapons and would likely continue to do so. This of course raises obvious questions about the current Bush administration's near-frenzied demonization of Saddam Hussein, particularly for his alleged chemical and biological weapons (CBW) threat.

Readers can be forgiven if they think this is a revelation of some sort. It isn't. The story may add a new detail or two about the precise nature of U.S. tactical assistance to the Iraqis, but the basic story has long been known. Strangely, the Times story leaves out the most significant part - the furnishing of chemical and biological materials by the United States to Iraq which markedly enhanced Iraq's CBW capability. (There is one isolated line in the Times piece, almost at the very end, hinting at something of the sort: "Former Secretary of State Schultz and Vice President Bush tried to stanch the flow of chemical precursors to Iraq.")

At the risk of sounding like I'm blowing my own horn, I must point out that I wrote a story on this very subject in 1998, which was published in several "alternative" magazines, distributed widely on the Internet to this day, and won a Project Censored award in 1999. As far as I know, the American mainstream media has never covered this story, and if the Times article is any guide, the censorship will continue.

Following is the crux of my article as published in 1998:

In his recent State of the Union address, President Clinton, in the context of Iraq, spoke of how we must "confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them."

He castigated Saddam Hussein for "developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons" and called for strengthening the Biological Weapons Convention. Who among his listeners knew and who among the media reported that the United States had been the supplier to Iraq of much of the source biological materials Saddam's scientists would require to create a biological warfare program?

According to a Senate Committee Report of 1994: From 1985, if not earlier, through 1989, a veritable witch's brew of biological materials were exported to Iraq by private American suppliers pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce. (1) Amongst these materials, which often produce slow, agonizing deaths, were:

Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax.

Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin.

Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord and heart.

Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs.

Clotsridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness.

Clostridium tetani, highly toxigenic.

Also, Escherichia Coli (E.Coli); genetic materials; human and bacterial DNA.

Dozens of other pathogenic biological agents were shipped to Iraq during the 1980s. The Senate Report pointed out: "These biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction." (2)

"It was later learned," the committee revealed, "that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program." (3)

These exports continued to at least November 28, 1989 despite the fact that Iraq had been reported to be engaging in chemical warfare and possibly biological warfare against Iranians, Kurds, and Shiites since the early 80s.

William Blum left the U.S. State Department in 1967, abandoning his aspiration of becoming a Foreign Service Officer, because of his opposition to what the United States was doing in Vietnam. He is the author of Killing Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II and Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower. For a signed copy of either of these books.

William Blum encourages your comments: BBlum6@aol.com.

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You know what? We might have given the Iraqi's chemical weapons, which I abhor. But, as I've stated before, is the devil your dancing with better than the one you are not? In the 1980's our nemesis was the Soviet Union and guess who they backed?? Iran. So, who did we back? Iraq. It's that easy. "This country has proven time and time again that today's generation does not need to suffer or to be held responsible by the sins of our fathers." (Alan Colmes) Do we now judge the early Arabs for having slaves? Or the Romans for that matter? NO! You cannot judge a man out of his time...such as Reagan. He was doing what he thought, and knew, was best for the world...destroying communism. And if that meant turning a few blind eyes...well then, so be it. As I have said, I don't condone this action, it's horrendous but in the light of that day and age, it was all systems go to erradicate the Soviet Union. Also, If Iran does decide to aid Iraq in anyway....I'd watch out. We have said before that we will not tolerate any people who harbor, help or protect terrorism.

The voice of reason,

~Michael

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peace

  "In the 1980's our nemesis was the Soviet Union and guess who they backed?? Iran."

no the soviets did not cuz Iranians were chanting death to russia. russia with the us backd iraq.  

 "So, who did we back? Iraq. It's that easy."

with comments like that, how do you call usama evil for bombing us?  

 "This country has proven time and time again that today's generation does not need to suffer or to be held responsible by the sins of our fathers." (Alan Colmes) Do we now judge the early Arabs for having slaves? Or the Romans for that matter? NO! You cannot judge a man out of his time...such as Reagan."

no you cant judge the arabs of 1500 years ago when we the americans did it 200 years ago. about reagan he is still alive, it was not 200 or 1500 years ago it was less than 20 years and its still going on. the same sanctions, the same frozen assets from 30 years ago are still in affect, and still no apologies so are we americans innocent? no.  

   "He was doing what he thought, and knew, was best for the world...destroying communism. And if that meant turning a few blind eyes...well then, so be it."

 once again communism had nothing to do with it, Iran was russia's hard core enemy , as a matter of fact Iran was the 1st to start chanting death to russia, so learn before you try to cover up the evil the us does.  

  "And if that meant turning a few blind eyes...well then, so be it. As I have said, I don't condone this action, it's horrendous but in the light of that day and age, it was all systems go to erradicate the Soviet Union."

 after making such an evil statement dont complain if al-qaeda sets a dirty bomb in your area.

 "Also, If Iran does decide to aid Iraq in anyway....I'd watch out."  

 you should watch out.    

 "We have said before that we will not tolerate any people who harbor, help or protect terrorism."

so are you going to shoot yourself?  

ps, there was a time when i loved our news channels and even backed israel may GOD ALMIGHTY forgive me, i remember when i was young i was even happy that IMAM KHOMEINI(pbuMaHHF) died may GOD ALMIGHTY forgive me, but then i started looking at sources other than la times the register CNN fox, i looked at all source i read  many books and i realized how evil our govt.  is, if you want to be a real patriat dont be blind, try to see what our country is about and how far away we are from it, try to see the truth.

peace

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