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Are there any missing ayaats in the Qur'an?

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Nope i dont think the Quran was touched - in fact Allah has said in a verse that he will protect his book

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Yet, it is changed. But this does not contradict with that Allah protects his book.

The miracle is here: For example, though Uthman ibn Affan changed some ayats, the Qur'an completes itself in the next ayats. This procedure is happening everywhere in the Qur'an. This is that Allah is protecting his holy book.

I don't know whether you heard or not; once Uthman ibn Affan had wanted and attempted to remove the two surahs "Ma'uzateyn" (Ikhlas wa Felak).

Have you ever heard that there was a Surah "Wilayet" which is removed later by Uthman ibn Affan?

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(bismillah)

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For example, though Uthman ibn Affan changed some ayats, the Qur'an completes itself in the next ayats

He tried to, but some of the Prophet's (pbuh) companions stood up against it. One of them even threated to kill him if he removed a letter, as I recall.

Have you ever heard that there was a Surah "Wilayet" which is removed later by Uthman ibn Affan?

This is a wahabi lie. Surat al wilayah and surat al iman are made up stories.

wassalam

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There is a interesting hadith in Sunni books of Umar and other "companions" talking about missing verses especially with reference to "stoning".

This is quite a sensitive issue, some Shias deny any alteration in the Quran through Taqiyeh, and other scholars have suggested alterations.

It is a historcal fact that Othman had burned various "copies" of the Quran and compiled one.

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(bismillah)

(salam)

There's no taqiyah.

All shia scholars say it wasn't modified, except for a few. There's even sunni scholars that say the same.

The only modification done is the order of the suras which are not put in the order they were revealed.

wassalam

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Certainly, you have Qur'an at your home. Have you ever counted the number of ayaats of it? Please count and see that there are less than 6666 ayaats.

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There were never 6666 ayats in the Quran. There were always 6266 ayas.

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Allah (SWT) has promised to protect the Quran. Not one dot in the Quran has ever been changed. It has, and will always remain the exact word of Allah (SWT). Those who claim the Quran has been altered, and is not in it original form, cannot be considered Muslims. Simple as that, end of story.

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Allah (SWT) has promised to protect the Quran. Not one dot in the Quran has ever been changed. It has, and will always remain the exact word of Allah (SWT). Those who claim the Quran has been altered, and is not in it original form, cannot be considered Muslims. Simple as that, end of story.

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kizilbash!

Do you mean that I am not Muslim?!!!

Please, be more careful in your words and read what i am telling exactly!

I told that "The miracle is here: For example, though Uthman ibn Affan changed some ayats, the Qur'an completed itself in the next ayats." I mean, even you try to hide something, it is later perfectly revealed. This is the perfect miracle of Qur'an. Qur'an is not only based on the letters, but also complete meaning!

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kizilbash!

Do you mean that I am not Muslim?!!!

Please, be more careful in your words and read what i am telling exactly!

I told that "The miracle is here: For example, though Uthman ibn Affan changed some ayats, the Qur'an completed itself in the next ayats." I mean, even you try to hide something, it is later perfectly revealed. This is the perfect miracle of Qur'an. Qur'an is not only based on the letters, but also complete meaning!

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Not all hadiths are authentic but the QuRAN itself says it can never be altered so yeah only Allah can judge if u r a good muslim or a bad one

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Not all hadiths are authentic but the QuRAN itself says it can never be altered so yeah only Allah can judge if u  r a good muslim or a bad one

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No, Quran doesn't say it cannot be altered. It says "Allah protects his book". I think this is not exactly the same. Anyway, if you don't believe in that it is altered, no problem. I wondered what your opinion was, that's all.

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Nope i dont think the Quran was touched - in fact Allah has said in a verse that he will protect his book

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i just wrote it the short way the second time -and Quran are Allah's words

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No, Quran doesn't say it cannot be altered. It says "Allah protects his book". I think this is not exactly the same. Anyway, if you don't believe in that it is altered, no problem. I wondered what  your opinion was, that's all.

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well what kind of protection would it be if it was allowed for the Quran to be alterd

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Assalamu alaicom

let us see what Ahlulbate (as) said abt the Quran:

The fact is that Allah the Glorified says:

. . . We have not neglected anything in the Book (Qur'an) . . . (Qur'an, 6:38)

And says that one part of the Qur'an verifies another part and that there is no divergence in it as He says:

. . . And if it had been from any other than Allah, they would surely have found in it much discrepancy. (Qur'an, 4 :82)

Certainly the outside of the Qur'an is wonderful and its inside is deep (in meaning). Its wonders will never disappear, its amazements will never pass away and its intricacies cannot be cleared except through itself.

Imam Ali (as), Nahjul balagha sermon 18

Also

(1) Ibn Talhah, Matalib, I, 141;

(2) al-Tabarsi, al-'Ihtijaj, I, 139;

(3) al-Qadi al-Nu`man, Da`a'im, I, 93;

(4) Narrated by Ibn Udhaynah from al-'Imam al-Sadiq (A) in al-Nuri, Mustadrak al-Wasa'il, III, 174; see also al-Saffar, Basa'ir al-darajat.

Learn the Qur'an for it is the fairest of discourses and understand it thoroughly for it is the best blossoming of hearts. Seek cure with its light for it is the cure for hearts. Recite it beautifully for it is the most beautiful narration.

Imam Ali (as), Nahjul balagha Sermon 110

Also

(1) Al-Harrani, Tuhaf, 104;

(2) al-Saduq, Man la yahduruh, I, 131;

(3) al-Saduq, `Ilal, 114;

(4) al-Barqi, al-Mahasin, 233;

(5) al-Tusi, al-'Amali, I, 220.

The Book of Allah is among you. It speaks and its tongue does not falter. It is a house whose pillars do not fall down, and a power whose supporters are never routed.

Imam Ali (as), Nahjul balagha Sermon 133

Also

(1) Al-'Amidi, Ghurar, 77;

The Prophet came with (a Book containing) testification to what (books) were already there and also with a light to be followed. It is the Qur'an. If you ask it to speak it won't do so; but I will tell you about it. Know that it contains knowledge of what is to come about, stories of the past, cure for your ills and regulation for whatever faces you.

Imam Ali (as), Nahjul balagha Sermon 158

Also

(1) Ibn al-'Athir, al-Nihayah, (`a.dh.r, m.q.r and n.kh.m) I, 46, III, 198, IV, 347, V, 34;

(2) al-Kulayni, Rawdah, 62;

(3) al-Mufid, al-'Irshad, 173.

therefore the Qur'an is his guide and leader. He gets down when the Qur'an puts down his weight and he settles where the Qur'an settles him down.

Imam Ali (as), Nahjul balagha Sermon 87

Also

(1) Al-Zamakhshari, Rabi`, bab al-`izz wa al-sharaf;

And know that this Qur'an is an adviser who never deceives, a leader who never misleads and a narrator who never speaks a lie. No one will sit beside this Qur'an but that when he rises he will achieve one addition or one diminution - addition in his guidance or elimination in his (spiritual) blindness.

Imam Ali (as), nahjul balagha sermon 176

It contains a cure for the biggest diseases, namely unbelief, hypocrisy, revolt and misguidance. Pray to Allah through it and turn to Allah with its love. Do not ask the people through it. There is nothing like it through which the people should turn to Allah, the Sublime.

Know that it is an interceder and its intercession will be accepted. It is a speaker who is testified. For whoever the Qur'an intercedes on the Day of Judgement, its intercession for him would be accepted. He about whom the Qur'an speaks ill on the Day of Judgement shall testify to it. On the Day of Judgement an announcer will announce, "Beware. every sower of a crop is in distress except the sowers of the Qur'an." Therefore, you should be among the sowers of the Qur'an and its followers. Make it your guide towards Allah. Seek its advice for yourselves, do not trust your views against it. and regard your desires in the matter of the Qur'an as deceitful.

Imam Ali (as), nahjul balagha sermon 176

Allah the Glorified, has not counselled anyone on the lines of this Qur'an, for it is the strong rope of Allah and His trustworthy means. It contains the blossoming of the heart and springs of knowledge.

Imam Ali (as), nahjul balagha sermon 176

sermon 176 also recorded in

(1) Al-Zamakhshari, Rabi`, I, 219;

(2) al-Kulayni, Usul al-Kafi, II, 443;

(3) al-Barqi, al-Mahasin, 6;

(4) al-Saduq, al-'Amali, 153;

(5) al-`Ayyashi, Tafsir, II, 262;

(6) al-Harrani, Tuhaf, 71.

O God,

Thou hast helped me complete Thy Book,

which Thou sent down as a light153 and appointed as

a guardian over every book Thou hast sent down,154

preferring it over every narrative

which Thou hast recounted,155

a separator, through which Thou hast separated

Thy lawful from Thy unlawful,156

a Qur'an, through which Thou hast made plain

the approaches to Thy ordinances,157

a book, which Thou hast distinguished very distinctly

for Thy servants,158

a revelation, which Thou hast sent down,

a sending down,

upon Thy prophet Muhammad159

(Thy blessings be upon him and his Household).

Thou appointed it

a light through following which

we may be guided from the shadows

of error and ignorance,160

a healing for him

who turns ear toward hearing it

with the understanding of attestation,161

a just balance

whose tongue does not incline away from truth,162

a light of guidance

whose proof is not extinguished before

the witnesses,163

and a guidepost of deliverance, so that

he who repairs straightway to its prescription

will not go astray

and he who clings to its preservation's handhold

will not be touched by the hands of disasters.

O God,

since Thou hast given us help to recite it

and made smooth the roughness of our tongues

through the beauty of its expression,

place us among those who

observe it as it should be observed,

serve Thee by adhering in submission

to the firm text of its verses,

and seek refuge in admitting both its ambiguous parts

and the elucidations of its clear signs!

O God,

Thou sent it down upon Thy prophet Muhammad

(God bless him and his household) in summary form,

Thou inspired him with the science of its wonders

to complement it,

Thou made us the heirs of its knowledge

as interpreters,164

Thou made us to surpass

him who is ignorant of its knowledge,

and Thou gave us strength over it

to raise us above those not able to carry it.

O God,

just as Thou hast appointed our hearts

as its carriers

and made known to us through Thy mercy

its nobility and excellence,

so also bless Muhammad, its preacher,

and his Household, its guardians,

and place us among those who confess that it has come from Thee,lest doubt about attesting to it assail us,

or deviation from its straightforward path shake us!

O God,

bless Muhammad and his Household

and make us one of those who

hold fast to its cord,

seek haven from its ambiguities in its

fortified stronghold,

rest in the shadow of its wing,

find guidance in the brightness of its morning,

follow the shining of its disclosure,

acquire light from its lamp,

and beg not guidance from any other!

O God,

just as through it

Thou hast set up Muhammad as a guidepost to point to Thee

and through his Household

Thou hast made clear Thy good pleasure's roads to Thee,

so also bless Muhammad and his Household

and make the Qur'an

our mediation to the noblest stations

of Thy honour,

a ladder by which we may climb

to the place of safety,

a cause for our being repaid

with deliverance at the Plain of Resurrection,

and a means whereby we may reach

the bliss of the House of Permanence!

O God,

bless Muhammad and his Household,

lessen for us through the Qur'an the weight of heavy sins,

give to us the excellent qualities of the pious,

and make us follow the tracks of those who stood before Thee

in the watches of the night and the ends of the day,165

such that Thou purifiest us from every defilement

through its purification

and makest us to follow the tracks of those

who have taken illumination from its light

and whom expectation has not distracted from works,

cutting them off through its delusions' deceptions!

O God,

bless Muhammad and his Household

and appoint the Qur'an

for us an intimate

in the shadows of nights

and a guardian

against the instigations of Satan

and confusing thoughts,

for our feet an obstruction

from passing to acts of disobedience,

for our tongues a silencer without blight

preventing a plunge into falsehood,

for our limbs a restrainer

from committing sins,

and for the scrutiny of heedfulness

rolled up in heedlessness

an unroller,

such that Thou attachest to our hearts

the understanding of the Qur'an's wonders

and its restraining similitudes

which immovable mountains in all their solidity

were too weak to carry!166

O God,

bless Muhammad and his Household

and through the Qur'an

make permanent the rightness

of our outward selves,

veil the ideas of confusing thoughts

from the soundness of our innermost minds,

wash away the dirt of our hearts

and the ties of our heavy sins,

gather our scattered affairs,

quench the thirst of our burning heat

in the standing place of the presentation to Thee,

and clothe us in the robes of security

on the Day of the Greatest Terror at our uprising!167

O God,

bless Muhammad and his Household

and through the Qur'an

redress our lack - our destitution in poverty -

drive toward us the comforts of life

and an abundance of plentiful provisions,

turn aside blameworthy character traits

and base moral qualities,

and preserve us from the pit of unbelief

and the motives for hypocrisy,

such that the Qur'an may be

for us at the resurrection a leader

to Thy good pleasure and Thy gardens,

for us in this world a protector

against Thy displeasure and transgressing

Thy bounds

and for what is with Thee a witness

by its declaring lawful the lawful

and its declaring unlawful the unlawful!

O God,

bless Muhammad and his Household

and through the Qur'an make easy for our souls at death

the distress of the driving,168

the effort of the moaning,

and the succession of the rattling,

when souls reach the throats

and it is said, 'Where is the enchanter?';169

when the angel of death discloses himself

to seize them from behind the veils of unseen things,

letting loose at them from the bow of destinies

the arrows of the terror of lonesome separation,

and mixing for them from sudden death

a cup poisoned to the taste;

and when departure and release for the hereafter come close to us,

works become collars around the necks,170

and the graves become the haven

until the appointed time of the Day of Encounter!

O God,

bless Muhammad and his Household,

make blessed for us the arrival at the house of decay

and the drawn out residence between the layers of the earth,

appoint the graves, after separation from this world,

the best of our waystations,

make roomy for us through Thy mercy the narrowness of our tombs,

and disgrace us not among those present at the Resurrection

through our ruinous sins!

Through the Qur'an

have mercy upon the lowliness of our station

at the standing place of presentation to Thee,

make firm the slips of our feet

during the shaking of the bridge across hell

on the day of passage over it,

illuminate the darkness of our graves

before the Uprising,

and deliver us from every distress on the Day of Resurrection

and from the hardships of terrors on the Day of Disaster!

Whiten our faces

on the day when the faces of wrongdoers are blackened171

during the Day of Regret and Remorse,

appoint love for us in the breasts of the faithful,

and make not life for us troublesome!

O God,

bless Muhammad, Thy servant and Thy messenger,

just as He delivered Thy message,

executed Thy command,

and counselled Thy servants!

O God,

on the Day of Resurrection make our Prophet

(Thy blessings be upon him and his Household)

the nearest of the prophets to Thee in seat,

the ablest of them before Thee with intercession,

the greatest of them with Thee in measure,

and the most eminent of them with Thee in rank!

O God,

bless Muhammad and the Household of Muhammad,

ennoble his edifice,

magnify his proof,

make weighty his balance,

accept his intercession,

bring near his mediation,172

whiten his face,

complete his light,

and raise his degree!

Make us live according to his Sunna,

make us die in his creed,

take us on his road,

make us travel his path,

place us among the people who obey him,

muster us in his band,

lead us to up his pool,173

and give us to drink of his cup!

And bless Muhammad and his Household,

with a blessing

through which Thou wilt take him to the most excellent

of Thy good, Thy bounty, and Thy generosity

for which he hopes!

Thou art Possessor of boundless mercy

and generous bounty.

O God,

repay him for

Thy messages which he delivered,

Thy signs which he passed on,

the good counsel he gave to Thy servants,

and the struggle he undertook in Thy way,

with the best Thou hast repaid any of Thy angels brought nigh

and Thy prophets sent out and chosen!

And upon him and his Household,

the good, the pure,

be peace, God's mercy, and His blessings!

Imam Zainal Abideen (as), Sahifa Sajadiya, Supplication upon Completing a Reading of the Qur'an

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The fact that the authenticity of the Quran needs to be debated is not a good thing at all. What is the world coming to when muslims doubt the very word of Allah (SWT)?

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The fact that the authenticity of the Quran needs to be debated is not a good thing at all. What is the world coming to when muslims doubt the very word of Allah (SWT)?

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agreed, it's very disturbing, and Wahabis are always looking for a chance to "prove" that shias all believe in stuff like this.

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