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8 hours ago, kadhim said:

No. I put the blame solely and entirely on their leadership. They clearly had the element of surprise and operational ability to launch a clean, surgical, purely military strike that sent the same message and was morally cleaner and more defensible. Instead they intentionally dialed the civilian brutality to 11 to maximize the anger of the response. It’s stupid not to blame Hamas for that. They deliberately chose a course of action that would get as many of their compatriots killed as possible, to get more grisly Instagram posts. That’s sociopathic. 

Salam Palestinians in Gaza have supported this leadership while zionist sympathizers have blamed it which all evidences shows that Palestinian operation has been done very "clean, surgical, purely military strike that sent the same message and was morally cleaner and more defensible." but on the other hand  Zionist Israel has responded in most dirty bloody way ; which Palestinian fighters have launched to all of their goals about striking zionist military surveillance control centers which has been full of vital information likewise Gospel (Sobar) the zionist military AI & list of all of zionist spies in Palestine , Lebanon , Iraq, Syria & Iran & other vital informations which until now this great security failure has been concealed by Zionist Israel which taking hostages Palestinian fighters has been  a side operation which happened during their return to Gaza which although of Zionist propaganda has not been brutal until IDF intervention which IDF has used Hannibal Doctrine against so called settlers & hostages which now Zionist Israel propaganda machine & it's sympathizers are trying to conceal the truth by spreading false information about brutal killing of hostages by Hamas & separating so then alienation of  Hamas from Palestinians in similar fashion which it has been done by Saudi-zionist propaganda machine  about Houthis & people of Yemen . 

‘The Gospel’: how Israel uses AI to select bombing targets in Gaza

‘Mass assassination factory’

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‘Mass assassination factory’

Sources familiar with how AI-based systems have been integrated into the IDF’s operations said such tools had significantly sped up the target creation process.

“We prepare the targets automatically and work according to a checklist,” a source who previously worked in the target division told +972/Local Call. “It really is like a factory. We work quickly and there is no time to delve deep into the target. The view is that we are judged according to how many targets we manage to generate.”

A separate source told the publication the Gospel had allowed the IDF to run a “mass assassination factory” in which the “emphasis is on quantity and not on quality”. A human eye, they said, “will go over the targets before each attack, but it need not spend a lot of time on them”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/the-gospel-how-israel-uses-ai-to-select-bombing-targets

The October 7th Security Breach in Israel: Unraveling the Complexities of Human Vulnerabilities, Machine Intelligence, and Emergent Collective Intelligence

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So, why might the IDF have dismissed these activities as non-threatening to their immediate security and instead viewed them as part of a propaganda exercise? This leads to a critical consideration: the potential for machine intelligence in assessing and reacting to complex security scenarios. My background as a cybersecurity professional and former researcher for government agencies has provided me valuable insights into how human psychology can be manipulated, particularly in the realm of cybersecurity. Internet fraudsters routinely rely on Pavlovian behavior to socially engineer and commit cybercrimes, often with the unwitting participation of the victim and the problems associated with relying on technology to address risk.

https://medium.com/@thomasvarghese_34063/the-october-7th-security-breach-in-israel-unraveling-the-complexities-of-human-vulnerabilities-and-a5c927338de8

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/10/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-security-failure.html

Cyberattacks on Israel Cybersecurity Infrastructure: Max Security Under Siege

Among the victims of the Cyber Toufan Operations group is Max Security, a prominent cybersecurity and geo-intelligence company. The cyberattack on Max Security is particularly alarming, given its specialization in safeguarding sensitive information. The group’s success in infiltrating such a high-profile cybersecurity firm has highlighted the sophistication and potency of its hacking capabilities.

 

The Cyber Toufan Operations group boldly announced their involvement by posting a message on a forum, stating, “The target of tonight’s leak is one of Israel’s top intelligence and security companies – MAX Security & Intelligence (max-security.com).”

The message not only claimed responsibility for breaching Max Security but also highlighted the group’s previous successful infiltrations, including the exfiltration of terabytes of data from government servers and various prominent companies.

https://thecyberexpress.com/cyberattacks-on-israel-cybersecurity/

Israel’s Security Breach: An Analysis of Hamas’ Surprise Attack

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Gaps in Israel’s Intelligence

Bruce Hoffman, from the Council on Foreign Relations, remarked on the scale of the intelligence failure, stating it was “astonishing.” Despite advanced border defences, Hamas fighters penetrated barriers using various methods, from explosives to amphibious operations. Israel, known for its surveillance capabilities in Gaza, was caught off guard.

https://insperiamagazine.com/israels-security-breach-an-analysis-of-hamas-surprise-attack/

Israel’s National Cybersecurity Directorate said there was “no breach” of its network after passwords belonging to a senior agency official were stolen from their home computer earlier this year and published online.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/04/israel-cybersecurity-directorate-no-breach-malware/

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8 hours ago, kadhim said:

It’s stupid not to blame Hamas for that. They deliberately chose a course of action that would get as many of their compatriots killed as possible

Analysis: Why is Israel’s military killing so many of its own?

The perils of urban warfare, coupled with operational issues within the army, appear to be hobbling Israel’s advance.

The Israeli air force has not shown much thought for sparing civilian lives when bombing Gaza; Most of the Palestinians killed, now more than 20,000, fell victim to aerial bombardment.

Israel admitted that 50 percent of the bombs used were “dumb” ones. They can only be aimed by pointing the aircraft before release and can stray 50-to-100 metres (164-328 feet) from their aiming point. For Israel, it might be acceptable to kill Palestinian civilians with imprecise bombing, but not Israeli soldiers.

Israel was shocked, as the civilians, for a change, were Israeli civilians, not Palestinians who are regularly killed by armed Israeli soldiers and police. But how could soldiers shoot people who were so non-soldierlike?  Shirtless, to show they had no weapons; in civilian trousers; carrying a makeshift white flag, a symbol of surrender and peace; and speaking in Hebrew?

8 hours ago, kadhim said:

I put the blame solely and entirely on their leadership

Aside from Hamas, the Israeli military clearly has issues within its ranks to deal with. At the same time, it seems unsure how much it can count on support from their Prime Minister. There are signs that many higher officers distrust Benyamin Netanyahu and would rather have in his place someone who would show more respect for the military than for his own political goals.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/21/why-is-israels-military-killing-so-many-of-its-own

 

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41 minutes ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Israel was shocked, as the civilians, for a change, were Israeli civilians, not Palestinians who are regularly killed by armed Israeli soldiers and police. But how could soldiers shoot people who were so non-soldierlike?  Shirtless, to show they had no weapons; in civilian trousers; carrying a makeshift white flag, a symbol of surrender and peace; and speaking in Hebrew?

Lack of discipline pretty well covers it.

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9 minutes ago, Andaros said:

Lack of discipline pretty well covers it.

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3 Israeli hostages mistakenly killed by the IDF were shirtless and holding a white flag, military official says

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  • One of the hostages, aged 25, was mourned by around 300 people at his funeral.

 

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The victims were identified as Yotam Haim and Alon Shamriz who were taken from Kibbutz Kfar Aza during Hamas' October 7 attacks, and Samer Al-Talalka, who had been abducted from Kibbutz Nir Am.

In a statement addressing the news, the IDF said it expressed "deep remorse over the incident and sends the families its heartfelt condolences.

 

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Al-Talalka, 25, was mourned by around 300 people at his funeral in Hura, southern Israel.

 

 

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Alaa Al-Talalka, a cousin of his, said: "We're not going to start pointing fingers, who is guilty and who is not. It is just not the time. The families are thinking only of how to bring the hostages back alive. This is the time to ask for the war to end."

 

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Ruby Chen, the father of a captive, expressed the uncertainty families faced each day, likening it to "Russian roulette."

"Israel's government needs to get a grip and bring back the hostages," he said.

https://www.businessinsider.com/israeli-hostages-killed-idf-holding-white-flag-says-military-official

 

Hamas Tricked IDF To Kill Israeli Hostages? Why Were Captives Shirtless, Had White Flags? Probe Says

( Video contains some IDf propaganda )

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/hamas-tricked-idf-to-kill-israeli-hostages-why-were-captives-shirtless-had-white-flags-probe-says/ar-AA1lJG7k

 

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Footage shows IDF parading scores of Palestinian men around in underwear

34 minutes ago, Andaros said:

Lack of discipline pretty well covers it.

 

Israeli media claimed images show Hamas fighters but several civilians have been identified including a journalist

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While Israeli media initially suggested that the images, apparently filmed by at least one Israeli soldier, showed the surrender of Hamas fighters, several of the men pictured were identified as civilians, including a journalist.

 

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Al-Araby Al-Jadeed (the New Arab) said its correspondent Diaa al-Kahlout was among them. In a statement, the news organisation said Kahlout had been rounded up along with his brothers, relatives and other civilians at the market street in Beit Lahiya, northern Gaza, and then “were forced to strip off their clothes and searched and humiliated before they were taken to an unknown location”.

The Committee to Protect Journalists called for his release as Husam Zomlot, head of the Palestinian Mission in London, said on X the images evoked “some of humanity’s darkest passages of history”.

Hani Almadhoun, who works at a US charity which raises funds for the UN’s Palestine relief agency, UNRWA, said he recognised his brother, Mahmoud, a shopkeeper, in one video.

“I recognised him immediately … and recognised the area as the same area they had been sheltering.”

Almadhoun, who lives in Virginia, said his sister identified his 27-year-old nephew Abood packed in with a bunch of men in the back of a military truck. Almadhoun’s father and 13-year-old nephew, Omar, were also detained.

All four were later released, said Hani, who added that none of them had links to militant groups.

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There have also been conflicting reports about where the images were filmed. An Israeli government spokesperson claimed it was in the vicinity of Jabaliya and Shuja’iya, Hamas strongholds where there has been heavy street fighting since Israel resumed its ground offensive last week, while Palestinians – including a Hamas spokesperson – said the images were from Beit Lahiya, claiming the men had been rounded up at two UN schools being used as shelters, pointing to an identifying shop sign in one picture.

In another piece of footage, stripped men can be seen being transported in a military vehicle.

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While the Israel Defense Forces – which were contacted by the Guardian about the source of the pictures and if they were officially distributed – have yet to comment, a spokesperson appeared to suggest that the Israeli military was arresting and interrogating all men it came across in areas where there was fighting.

An Israeli government spokesperson, Eylon Levy, insisted the men had been apprehended in areas he described as Hamas strongholds.

“We are talking about individuals who are apprehended in Jabaliya and Shuja’iya […] Hamas strongholds and centres of gravity,” he told a briefing.

“We are talking about military-age men who were discovered in areas that civilians were supposed to have evacuated weeks ago.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/08/footage-idf-israel-military-parading-palestinian-men-around-in-underwear

 

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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-01/ty-article/.premium/state-officials-fear-hauge-could-charge-israel-with-genocide-in-gaza/0000018c-c1a9-d3e0-abac-d9a9acd80000

"State Officials Fear International Court of Justice Could Charge Israel With Genocide in Gaza"

The clock ticks.

Given they claim they aren't guilty, why the fear? 

Either way I have little hopes of this passing through, worse of luck for these shayateen though. 

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6 hours ago, Andaros said:

 

Just to be clear, are you referring to Yasser Al-Habib?

I don't see a difference between their views on Palestine/Israel and the views of some of our most esteemed members of this forum. They both seem to be bloomed from the same root. Some are just good at hiding it for a limited amount of time, but eventually they reveal themselves. 

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7 hours ago, Andaros said:

Yasser Al-Habib?

Salam after Oct 7 he has called Palestinians as Nasibis which in similar fashion Wahabi preachers said that Shias want to turn all mosques in Palestine into Husayniaاs which  due to pressure of people they have had to justify their statement which after that they  & their fans have became totally deaf , dumb & blind about Palestine issue .:censored::censored::censored:

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 Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not come back. (18) 

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/2:18

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Certainly We took a pledge from the Children of Israel, and We sent apostles to them. Whenever an apostle brought them that which was not to their liking, they would impugn a part of them, and a part they would slay. (70)

They supposed there would be no testing, so they became blind and deaf. Thereafter Allah accepted their repentance, yet [again] many of them became blind and deaf, and Allah watches what they do. (71)

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/5:70

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/5:71

 

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I feel gaslit reading some of these posts. So the Palestinians had everything coming and their current predicament is primarily their fault… 

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2 hours ago, Guest confused said:

I feel gaslit reading some of these posts. So the Palestinians had everything coming and their current predicament is primarily their fault… 

This is litterally how israeli propaganda works it's gaslighting, accountability is their kryptonite. 

Even when they shot and killed their own 3 shirtless white flag waving hebrew speaking hostages, they threw against the wall almost 8 reasons as to why it wasn't their fault and how it was hamas fault.

Some of these reasons they gave being blatant lies and others being pathetic excuses that had zero relevancy to what had transpired. 

 

This isn't the first time they did it nor the last time they will, they gaslight people so much, some people made a list a decade ago of their most common used gaslighting phrases they use, they used two of these phrases during the hospital bombing, something like "we were not informed that such an attack took place" , "it was a palestinian rocket misfiring". 

(Now some smart*** might mention that the rockets misfiring is a common thing, maybe, but from what I saw israelis have a history of lying about it, including the 17 oct hospital bombing.) 

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Saleh al Arouri got assassinated few minutes ago, israhell did it. He lives in south beirut, so there is a chance hezbollah will do something about it.

 

https://twitter.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1742226626056700158?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

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31 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Saleh al Arouri got assassinated few minutes ago, israhell did it. He lives in south beirut, so there is a chance hezbollah will do something about it.

https://twitter.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1742226626056700158?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

 

إِنَّا ِلِلَّٰهِ وَإِنَّا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعُونَ

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2 hours ago, Diaz said:

Saleh al Arouri got assassinated few minutes ago, israhell did it. He lives in south beirut, so there is a chance hezbollah will do something about it.

 

https://twitter.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1742226626056700158?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

Ofcourse the israelis are denying it, even though you have even the americans admitting it was them.

 

They say "we didn't do the strike on Beirut" and then in the following sentence "no lebanese or hezb was hit in that attack" and "we warned all terrorist involved in oct 7 are legitimate targets".

Imagine if a murderer says "I didn't murder him" but then follows it with "but he wasn't important to you anyways why do you care?" and "I warned all people I don't like would be killed".

 

What did I say about israel gaslighting and throwing excuses at the wall? They're throwing everything at the wall to not be held accountable. 

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3 hours ago, Diaz said:

Saleh al Arouri got assassinated few minutes ago, israhell did it. He lives in south beirut, so there is a chance hezbollah will do something about it.

 

https://twitter.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1742226626056700158?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

I believe we may have reached the tipping point where this becomes a regional conflict at a greater level of intensity than we have seen so far. 

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12 hours ago, Guest confused said:

I feel gaslit reading some of these posts. So the Palestinians had everything coming and their current predicament is primarily their fault… 

It is a lot more complex than that. I suppose that the further away you are personally from events, the more objective you can be. But I am not that person.

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12 hours ago, Diaz said:

Saleh al Arouri got assassinated few minutes ago, israhell did it. He lives in south beirut, so there is a chance hezbollah will do something about it.

Salam it's part of gaslighting plan for putting withdraw of Zioinist Israel troops  which has been announced yesterday night but zionisit Israel has tried to put it's defeat under the rug by hitting Hamas base in Lebanon in order to engages Hezbollah in a reaction in order to have a justification for returning it's troops to Gaza for initiating another phase of invasion to borh of Gaza & south of Lebanon for returning evacuated settlers to borders of Lebanon in name of fighting with invasion of Hezbollah to it's territory . 

Israel to withdraw some troops from Gaza amid new campaign planning

Official says intense new phase of war to last at least six more months as country also prepares for Lebanon conflict

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But Israel still expects heavy fighting in Gaza for much of 2024 as it hunts for senior Hamas leaders, even if there are fewer troops on the ground.

 

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“This will take six months at least, and involve intense mopping-up missions against the terrorists. No one is talking about doves of peace being flown from Shejaiya,” the official said, referring to a Gaza district that has been the scene of heavy battles. Reuters did not identify him by name.

Not all of those returned from Gaza will go home. Some would be prepared for rotation to the northern border with Lebanon, amid fears of a wider escalation of the conflict, the official told Reuters.

 

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“The situation on the Lebanese front will not be allowed to continue. This coming six-month period is a critical moment,” the official said, adding that Israel would convey a similar message to a US envoy conducting shuttle missions to Beirut.

 

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Even as tensions appeared to be escalating, the US said the USS Gerald R Ford aircraft carrier strike group, sent to the region in the aftermath of the 7 October attacks to deter actors such as Iran from entering the conflict, would return home.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/01/israel-to-withdraw-some-troops-from-gaza-amid-new-campaign-planning

Palestinians return to north Gaza after Israel pulls back troops over ‘high cost of war’

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In a statement on Monday, the regime’s army said, “The move is expected to significantly alleviate economic burdens and enable troops to gather strength for upcoming activities in the next year, as the fighting will persist and their services will be needed.”

 

Earlier, Israeli military spokesman Daniel Hagari said the regime’s army was making adjustments to its deployment in Gaza, in anticipation of a long war ahead.

“The goals of the war require lengthy fighting, and we are prepared accordingly,” he noted.

Meanwhile, an unnamed Israeli official claimed that some of the five brigades withdrawn will prepare for a potential second front against the Lebanese Hezbollah resistance movement.

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A few days ago, the Israeli army’s much-hyped Golani Brigade was forced to withdraw from Gaza to “reorganize its ranks” after suffering huge losses at the hands of resistance fighters.

Israeli ministers call for Palestinians’ expulsion from Gaza

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Speaking on Monday, Israel’s far-right finance minister Bezalel Smotrich said that the regime “will permanently control the Gaza Strip to ensure security”.

He stressed that the objective would be achieved through the “permanent presence of Israeli forces” along with “establishing Jewish settlements,” adding that he would present the plan soon to the regime’s war cabinet. 

“Those who think that the solutions in the Gaza Strip will be similar to those tried in the past are mistaken,” he said.

Similarly, Israel’s extremist security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said the war presents an “opportunity to concentrate on encouraging the migration of the residents of Gaza,” branding such a policy as “a correct, just, moral and humane solution.”

Veteran Arab lawmaker at the Israeli parliament Ahmad Tibi condemned Smotrich and Ben-Gvir, saying their rhetoric was “inciting genocide.”

“A day will come and these two senior ministers in the Israeli government will stand before an international tribunal for war crimes,” he stated.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/01/02/717445/Israel-withdrawal-troops-from-Gaza

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5 minutes ago, Andaros said:

The USA can easily stop this by withdrawing support. I currently do not believe that they have the will do so.

So, what happens next?

They are trying to escalate a war with Hezballah. At the same time, they are also trying to get a war started with Yemen and Iran to get involved. They are try to provoke Iran to get more involved so they blame Iran for everything.

US/WEST wants the wars to continue for however long they want.

That's my opinion. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong.

 

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8 minutes ago, HusseinAbbas said:

@Ashvazdanghe Terrorist attacks took place in iran just now, 73 people killed and 170 injured.

This could be related to israel but I am unsure, I don't have enough evidence for this.

It’s definitely them, they won’t admit it tho. It’s either israhell or their allies Isis.

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I feel like is there not much reactions from Majority of Muslims countries (Majority of them are Sunni, I believe). If not their leaders, you would think the people would go berserk and put really pressures on their leaders to act or something. 

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1 hour ago, Meedy said:

I feel like is there not much reactions from Majority of Muslims countries (Majority of them are Sunni, I believe). If not their leaders, you would think the people would go berserk and put really pressures on their leaders to act or something. 

Salam,

Wars are expensive in economic terms. I doubt that the leaders in for example Jordon and Egypt, who are already facing economic issues, would welcome the additional ones that a war would cause.

They might be forced into one anyway by the widespread anger and discontent of their population, but I doubt they would welcome it.

 

https://www.newarab.com/analysis/gaza-war-turning-point-jordan-israel-relations

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1 hour ago, Andaros said:

I doubt that the leaders in for example Jordon and Egypt, who are already facing economic issues,

Salam this is a void excuse for them because  Yemen which has more economic problems than these countries which also most of it's infrastructures have been destroyed or highly damaged which needs many years for rehabilitation from long war with KSA & it's allies has stood firmly against zionist Israel which KSA could invest in Jordon and Egypt & etc in order to support them for fighting with fake state of Israel also Jordan always has acted as a thick shield for protecting of fake state of Israel which both of kings of Jordan & Sisi are zionist jewish from mother side so therefore they won't rise a finger against  fake state of Israel even if they have not excuse for economic issues which they could solve their economic issue by help of KSA which all three of these countries has no will for solving economic issues due fear that solving it will cause that their people force them to attack to  fake state of Israel .

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On 1/2/2024 at 4:48 PM, Diaz said:

Saleh al Arouri got assassinated few minutes ago, israhell did it. He lives in south beirut, so there is a chance hezbollah will do something about it.

 

Worth watching this short clip of him:

 

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50 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

 

Worth watching this short clip of him:

 

Still don’t understand why there are Sunnis who hates us. I hope one day we all stand together against us and their allies but now that’s impossible. 

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