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According to the Financial Times:

Hamas leaders are signaling their readiness for a ‘truce’, raising the prospect of a temporary pause in the war that might see some hostages freed.

A short statement on Telegram, purportedly from Qatar-based Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, said the Islamic Resistance Movement had ‘delivered its response to the brothers in Qatar and the mediators, and we are close to reaching a truce agreement’.

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Ex Obama Adviser Says Killing 4,000 Palestinian Children ‘Wasn’t Enough’

 
Stuart Seldowitz, who worked on the National Security Council South Asia Directorate under Obama, was seen on video accusing a New York City food truck vendor of being a “terrorist.”
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On 11/21/2023 at 7:06 PM, Guest before said:

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Ex Obama Adviser Says Killing 4,000 Palestinian Children ‘Wasn’t Enough’

 
Stuart Seldowitz, who worked on the National Security Council South Asia Directorate under Obama, was seen on video accusing a New York City food truck vendor of being a “terrorist.”

I saw this earlier. Made me so upset. And none of the mainstream media went after this guy 

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On 11/19/2023 at 7:33 AM, kadhim said:

Ok. So I’m going to turn my snark off for a minute and ask a serious question. 

Can you guys clarify precisely what your objective personal threshold is in terms of how many guns would have to be found where you would believe serious militant activity was based there? Is it 100 guns? 1000 guns? How many Kalashnikov clips? How many grenades? 

Do you have an actual stable goalpost where you’re open to persuasion? Or is it more a matter you’re just never going to reconsider?

I waited a while before answering to see if they actually discover anything worthwhile.

See, the term Israel used was not “serious militant activity”. Have you seen Netanyahu’s post back in late October? It was an animated depiction of an extensive underground tunnel system under Al-Shifa hospital. They claimed that Al-Shifa is a Hamas headquarter. Did they find this head quarter? No. Were any Hamas members eliminated? No. They committed a blatant war crime and failed their military targets. They already told the world this hospital needs to be attacked. They have to prove it was worth attacking. And to any objective person, it was not worth attacking.

The thing is, you trying to paint Israel and Palestine as equal victims and aggressors is really becoming quite ridiculous 

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13 hours ago, Guest Free palestine said:

I waited a while before answering to see if they actually discover anything worthwhile.

See, the term Israel used was not “serious militant activity”. Have you seen Netanyahu’s post back in late October? It was an animated depiction of an extensive underground tunnel system under Al-Shifa hospital. They claimed that Al-Shifa is a Hamas headquarter. Did they find this head quarter? No. Were any Hamas members eliminated? No. They committed a blatant war crime and failed their military targets. They already told the world this hospital needs to be attacked. They have to prove it was worth attacking. And to any objective person, it was not worth attacking.

The thing is, you trying to paint Israel and Palestine as equal victims and aggressors is really becoming quite ridiculous 


I’m officially out of this conversation, but I am popping in to respond to this. I will ignore anything that comes after that doesn’t respond with substance. 

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Don’t present something as a response if you’re not going to bother to answer the questions. 
If you can’t describe at least roughly what it would take to make you change your mind or reevaluate, it looks a lot like you’re not actually open to persuasion. If that’s the case, better to just be transparent about it. Similarly if your standard is something absurdly unrealistic, like, you’ll only believe it if Hamas patiently stays put, even after knowing the IDF is coming, and they get caught red-handed in the middle of a meeting. Though even then I imagine some of you would find excuses. You guys are very good at finding excuses. 

I think objective thinking people would take your “Israel didn’t claim militant activities, they claimed a command centre” and flip it around. Hamas claimed there was no militant activity at all at any hospital and that the idea is 100% hasbara
Unfortunately, to objective people, the evidence does not seem to support that null hypothesis. Because the normal, explainable number of Kalashnikovs and grenades and bullet magazines in a hospital basement or MRI room is … you want to take a guess? 

That’s right. Zero.

Were Hamas lying when they say they don’t operate defensively or offensively out of hospitals? Clearly the answer seems to be yes. And operating militarily out of a hospital is also considered a “blatant war crime” just in case you’ve forgotten. 

And then the question is, why does that not affect your perceptions of the situation? If in fact you’re open to persuasion as you claim? 

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50 minutes ago, kadhim said:


I’m officially out of this conversation, but I am popping in to respond to this. I will ignore anything that comes after that doesn’t respond with substance. 

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Don’t present something as a response if you’re not going to bother to answer the questions. 
If you can’t describe at least roughly what it would take to make you change your mind or reevaluate, it looks a lot like you’re not actually open to persuasion. If that’s the case, better to just be transparent about it. Similarly if your standard is something absurdly unrealistic, like, you’ll only believe it if Hamas patiently stays put, even after knowing the IDF is coming, and they get caught red-handed in the middle of a meeting. Though even then I imagine some of you would find excuses. You guys are very good at finding excuses. 

I think objective thinking people would take your “Israel didn’t claim militant activities, they claimed a command centre” and flip it around. Hamas claimed there was no militant activity at all at any hospital and that the idea is 100% hasbara
Unfortunately, to objective people, the evidence does not seem to support that null hypothesis. Because the normal, explainable number of Kalashnikovs and grenades and bullet magazines in a hospital basement or MRI room is … you want to take a guess? 

That’s right. Zero.

Were Hamas lying when they say they don’t operate defensively or offensively out of hospitals? Clearly the answer seems to be yes. And operating militarily out of a hospital is also considered a “blatant war crime” just in case you’ve forgotten. 

And then the question is, why does that not affect your perceptions of the situation? If in fact you’re open to persuasion as you claim? 

Those weapons aren't evidence, especially when even legacy media which supports israel, starts to question their ridicilous "evidence" that they presented. This by no means is good evidence of anything. Israel has not proven anything yet, only their edited videos, "found" weapons and word of mouth, they are as trust worthy as the nazis. 

As we told you, unless some more reputable org can investigate this stuff, don't expect anyone to beleive them, especially after this fake pathetic "arrest" video they made yesterday which turned out to be acting. You can ask more knowledgeable people here about more reputable orgs if you are curious.

EDIT: the video of the fake arrest was a few days ago if someone is curious. 

Obviously you won't think I responded with substance so good bye, if you want to beleive their pathetic "evidence" so be it.

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16 hours ago, Guest Free palestine said:

I waited a while before answering to see if they actually discover anything worthwhile.

See, the term Israel used was not “serious militant activity”. Have you seen Netanyahu’s post back in late October? It was an animated depiction of an extensive underground tunnel system under Al-Shifa hospital. They claimed that Al-Shifa is a Hamas headquarter. Did they find this head quarter? No. Were any Hamas members eliminated? No. They committed a blatant war crime and failed their military targets. They already told the world this hospital needs to be attacked. They have to prove it was worth attacking. And to any objective person, it was not worth attacking.

The thing is, you trying to paint Israel and Palestine as equal victims and aggressors is really becoming quite ridiculous 

By the way many people forget, according to international law, even if a hospital has one or two soldiers or some weapon stash, you can't bomb or target it due to proportionality, so even if they manage to prove that hamas has weapons inside they can't bomb or target the hospital, even if we were to beleive their laughable attempt at "evidence" they wouldn't be justified in doing what they did.

 

One thing is for sure, bombing or targetting hospitals and doing what israel did is a far bigger moral injustice and warcrime than having a stash of weapons at the hospital.

And no I am not justifying weapon stashes in hospitals, I know it's a warcrime and endangers medical workers and patients, but until now israels evidence has been not that great, not even propaganda networks are buying it.

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27 minutes ago, HusseinAbbas said:

They are not allowed to be interviewed as well. Many people saw how hamas treated them, just like how real men does. People who still believe hamas are terrorist and are Muslims should be ashamed of themselves. 

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On 11/23/2023 at 3:16 PM, Just_passing_by1 said:

I saw this earlier. Made me so upset. And none of the mainstream media went after this guy 

Sadly because majority of them agree with him.

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9 hours ago, kadhim said:


I’m officially out of this conversation, but I am popping in to respond to this. I will ignore anything that comes after that doesn’t respond with substance. 

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Don’t present something as a response if you’re not going to bother to answer the questions. 
If you can’t describe at least roughly what it would take to make you change your mind or reevaluate, it looks a lot like you’re not actually open to persuasion. If that’s the case, better to just be transparent about it. Similarly if your standard is something absurdly unrealistic, like, you’ll only believe it if Hamas patiently stays put, even after knowing the IDF is coming, and they get caught red-handed in the middle of a meeting. Though even then I imagine some of you would find excuses. You guys are very good at finding excuses. 

I think objective thinking people would take your “Israel didn’t claim militant activities, they claimed a command centre” and flip it around. Hamas claimed there was no militant activity at all at any hospital and that the idea is 100% hasbara
Unfortunately, to objective people, the evidence does not seem to support that null hypothesis. Because the normal, explainable number of Kalashnikovs and grenades and bullet magazines in a hospital basement or MRI room is … you want to take a guess? 

That’s right. Zero.

Were Hamas lying when they say they don’t operate defensively or offensively out of hospitals? Clearly the answer seems to be yes. And operating militarily out of a hospital is also considered a “blatant war crime” just in case you’ve forgotten. 

And then the question is, why does that not affect your perceptions of the situation? If in fact you’re open to persuasion as you claim? 

In the case AKs were not stashed by idf, is a tunnel under a hospital part of the hospital and justifies it to be bombed ? 

Idf claimed to launch a war against tunnels, they failed miserably. Why do you need to takes sides with them? 

And an off topic question is why do you want everyone here to hate you on every goddamn message you type ? 

 

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14 hours ago, realizm said:

In the case AKs were not stashed by idf, is a tunnel under a hospital part of the hospital and justifies it to be bombed ? 

What is your basis for the notion that the hospital complex was “bombed?” I see you guys casually throwing that word around and I’m not really seeing anything to support that sort of choice of wording.

What do you mean by “bombed?”

Exactly which hospital buildings do you claim are ruined smoking piles of rubble now?

The following summary is quite friendly to the Palestinian point of view to the extent there’s a flag on the article. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital_siege

And all I’m seeing here is there was heavy fighting to gain access to the hospital complex (against those Hamas fighters who supposedly were never ever there). And several “projectiles,” some of which were apparently Israeli, struck buildings and caused a handful of casualties. 7-14 dead, depending on who you ask. In a complex where there were allegedly 50 000 people. 

That doesn’t seem to line up to the notion the place was intentionally “bombed,” does it? 

14 hours ago, realizm said:

Why do you need to takes sides with them? 

Lol. Who is taking a side? I’m not taking your side is what you mean to say. Let’s be honest here. 

So here’s the reality. I don’t know if you ever found yourself in a stats course. In stats there is something called hypothesis testing. You’re doing research, and you’re trying to prove something happened and that your evidence is not just random chance.

So you have a null hypothesis. “Nothing to see here.”

And then there is an alternate hypothesis. There is something to see here. 

You can have a general alternate hypothesis, which is basically, it’s not true that nothing is happening here. 

Or you can have a specific alternate hypothesis. This specific story is happening here. 

So in this case, one alternate hypothesis is that there was a Hamas command and control center there, or even the main one. Does the evidence prove that? I don’t know. There’s some ambiguity.

But what we can say with confidence is that the null hypothesis of Hamas, that Hamas never had an active presence there. Is that likely based on the evidence? No. That is absolutely not believable, given the resistance faced on taking the hospital and based on the weapons found inside it. 

So whether or not Israel is exaggerating the meaning of what they found, they did find evidence of Hamas being there. Hamas was clearly lying. 

So again, why does that not impact your perceptions of the situation? Why does that not prompt some reflection? 

15 hours ago, realizm said:

And an off topic question is why do you want everyone here to hate you on every goddamn message you type ? 

I like telling stupid people they’re wrong. It’s a guilty pleasure I’m trying, God willing, to wean myself off of. 

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On 11/26/2023 at 1:17 AM, realizm said:

And an off topic question is why do you want everyone here to hate you on every goddamn message you type ? 

In farsi we say "کمبود داشتن" 

Sometimes it is solved with a hug, sometimes the damage is far deeper and isn't resolved that easily. 

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On 11/26/2023 at 4:42 PM, kadhim said:

What is your basis for the notion that the hospital complex was “bombed?”

Bombed was not the right word here, agreed. Use "attacked", "assaulted".

On 11/26/2023 at 4:42 PM, kadhim said:

Who is taking a side? I’m not taking your side

Aren't you the one taking sides with IDF, parroting a so-called discovery of weaponry in tunnels ? 

Forget about statistics class, or at least just admit that when an army claims a war on tunnels and only finds itself able to post pictures of curtains, a baby bottle and a cleaning staff rotation, chances are they lied at a probability of about 90%. 

But you're here, saying Hamas was lying and that IDF was only exaggerating. 

 

On 11/26/2023 at 4:42 PM, kadhim said:

I like telling stupid people they’re wrong. It’s a guilty pleasure I’m trying, God willing, to wean myself off of

It's fine to show people you're right. Here you're just giving a biased point of view so your theorem comes correct. 

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57 minutes ago, realizm said:

Aren't you the one taking sides with IDF, parroting a so-called discovery of weaponry in tunnels ? 

No. That’s just an artifact of your mindset that the only two options are blind and total adherence to one “side’s” story or the other.

One can place their overall confidence in the IDF story at less than 100% while also recognizing that the Hamas story has 0% coherence with the observed reality. 

If Hamas were telling the truth about not being there, the IDF would have experienced no resistance reaching the hospital grounds and would have found zero weapons. That’s not the case, therefore Hamas is lying. 

Which was already rather obvious, because (1) they lie about everything, and (2) it’s their standard operating procedure to fight from amidst civilians in such places. 

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When I arrived in Canada over 40 years ago, the first thing I did was to take a course in Probability and Statists. Which was well worth the time and money, and which over the years I found to be invaluable in daily life.

On 11/26/2023 at 7:42 AM, kadhim said:

What is your basis for the notion that the hospital complex was “bombed?” I see you guys casually throwing that word around and I’m not really seeing anything to support that sort of choice of wording.

What do you mean by “bombed?”

A book I read as a teenager was also invaluable in being able to discern the difference between emotional vs factual language, titled STRAIGHT AND CROOKED THINKING, first published 1953 it is now free to download, although you can still buy on Amazon if you wish.

https://neglectedbooks.com/Straight_and_Crooked_Thinking.pdf

Finally,

While I hesitate to recommend it, I suggest that some may benefit from reading THE REPUBLIC By Plato also free to download.

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1497/1497-h/1497-h.htm

My hesitation is based on the fact that I frequently found myself infuriated by the Socratic dialogue illustrated in the book. Nonetheless, some may find it interesting and able to analyze the rhetoric in a detached manner, rather than reacting to the argument as it lead from one conclusion to a completely different one.

Read here to decide if this book is for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_(Plato)

 

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7 hours ago, realizm said:

Aren't you the one taking sides with IDF, parroting a so-called discovery of weaponry in tunnels ?

He does a skillful balance between blatantly agreeing with the Israeli narrative and tactful bothsidesism...bothsideism (a.k.a. false balance) is a media or debating tactic that attempts to present both sides of an argument on an equal playing field...it's a manipulative strategy because it presupposes that fair and unbiased coverage on all positions is always the credible or objective thing to do...for example, Piers Morgan saying that the flat earther position and the globe-earther position are on the same level or carry the same weight scientifically and giving both sides equal airtime  

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More Palestinians being arrested to make up for those being released ...

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> Since Oct 7 they've arrested several 1000 of additional Palestns in the West Bank. And in #Gaza, where the IDF had "instructed" all Palestns to leave the north & to travel south down Salaheddin St... > 

> the IDF then established 1 or more checkpoints on Salaheddin St to do "screening" of those evacuating per instructions. As @mosababutoha described what happened there, he was pulled away from his family & bussed into the Naqab for interrogations and >

@MosabAbuToha > beaten seriously there until his well-connected editors at the @nytimes, @newyorker etc were able to get the IDF to free him (sans his family's passports etc.) He reported that > 

@MosabAbuToha @nytimes @NewYorker > around 200 other Palestns were arrested with him. & as he left, Isri vehicles with large numbers of additional Palestn prisoners were arriving. So how many Palestn detainees is Israel holding in the Naqab right now? > 

@MosabAbuToha @nytimes @NewYorker > I have a few observations. #1 that for an occupying power to take ppl detained in a occupied zone back to the occupier's own territory is already a war crime (based on global opposition to the Nazis' practice of doing that. ) > 

@MosabAbuToha @nytimes @NewYorker > #2 is that this large-scale roundup of Palestinian men by IDF is like what happened in 1982 in West Beirut & what IDF did to Lebanese men during their long occupation of South Lebanon. > 

> #3 is that this practice of "screening" out all men from a community was widely used by the British in Palestine, Kenya, Malaya, & everywhere else where the fading #BritishEmpire was desperately trying to hold on. Same colonial practices, same immense harm... but hopefully a common outcome of liberation very soon! 

 

https://twitter.com/sdng1950/status/1729600824148447644

 

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13 hours ago, kadhim said:

One can place their overall confidence in the IDF story at less than 100% while also recognizing that the Hamas story has 0% coherence with the observed reality. 

Such a complex sentence just to say that IDF are reliable and Hamas are liars? 

13 hours ago, kadhim said:

If Hamas were telling the truth about not being there, the IDF would have experienced no resistance

Then this.

Brother, are you purposely occulting the fact that urban or guerilla warfare, is precisely about that : giving hard times to the enemy's progression ? 

Had IDF targeted the city's football stadium, they would have encountered the same resistance. 

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6 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

He does a skillful balance between blatantly agreeing with the Israeli narrative and tactful bothsidesism...

In Kadhim's case, I find it's much more about agreeing with the Israeli narrative. 

6 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

...for example, Piers Morgan

Piers Morgan has even done better, he tried to convince people he was more pro-Palestinian than anyone because he gave more airtime to Arabs and Muslims, when main goal of his interview was asking 'do you condemn Hamas? ':rolleyes::ranting:

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2 hours ago, realizm said:

Such a complex sentence just to say that IDF are reliable and Hamas are liars? 

If I wanted to say that, I would. The truth is that the evidence is closer to one story than the other story, which can’t explain the evidence at all. This is all pretty simple if you actually want to understand it. Your only recourse is to deny the evidence. 
 

2 hours ago, realizm said:

Brother, are you purposely occulting the fact that urban or guerilla warfare, is precisely about that : giving hard times to the enemy's progression ? 

If you take up positions on hospital grounds and fight from those positions, you turn a civilian zone into a battlefield and put civilians in danger. That’s why it’s a clearcut war crime to do so. 

You people are trying to play a dishonest game and have it both ways. You want to hold onto this urban guerilla story. And at the same time you want to cut off all responsibility of your “guerillas” for the consequences of their tactics. It’s a delusional stance. 

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20 hours ago, realizm said:

Such a complex sentence just to say that IDF are reliable and Hamas are liars? 

Then this.

Brother, are you purposely occulting the fact that urban or guerilla warfare, is precisely about that : giving hard times to the enemy's progression ? 

Had IDF targeted the city's football stadium, they would have encountered the same resistance. 

Hes being dishonest or oblivious, he argues the "idf faced resistance to get access to and reach hospital", which he equates to hamas being in hospital ground, it's a dishonest and ignorant way of seeing things devoid of any analysis, all he does is come up with arguments based on conjecture because they made sense to him, it's incredible, this is one reason I'm done bothering with him. 

At the end of the day if he's willing to accept the MRI weapons in al shifa as valid evidence then I heavily question his judgment.

 

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https://youtu.be/8jOpzTopqfA?si=6FcGbEC86JJCmMYq

I didn't embed the video due to it containing an emoji.

It's a video about a palestinian person who got out of an israeli prison and he describes what he saw. 

This reminds me a lot of the testimonies from lebanese people who went to israeli prisons run by israelis and their lebanese puppets/collaborators, the only difference being this is leagues worse. The israelis have gotten way worse with their torture methods.

By the way, don't fall for the "they look good they weren't tortured" pro zionist propaganda, many people from my village who were tortured "looked fine".

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On 11/29/2023 at 3:36 PM, kadhim said:

If I wanted to say that, I would.

If we applied the ahadith analogy, that's what it would mean. 

IDF version, the most commonly broadcasted, would be mutawatir. 

And you clearly labeled Abu Obeida as a da`if.

You implied IDF are reliable and Hamas are liars. 

 

On 11/29/2023 at 3:36 PM, kadhim said:

If you take up positions on hospital grounds and fight from those positions, you turn a civilian zone into a battlefield and put civilians in danger. That’s why it’s a clearcut war crime to do so. 

Other way around : if the enemy heads towards a hospital, that's a war crime. And as a guerilla movement, you take positions to harass them. 

Does that come to mind? 

On 11/29/2023 at 3:36 PM, kadhim said:

the consequences of their tactics.

I do not share the idea subtly suggested by wicked people that their tactics which consist in building tunnels makes them sneaky animals like foxes, weasels ot racoons. 

I would just say it's survival-inspired. 

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On 11/8/2023 at 5:24 PM, kadhim said:

I asked you where you think this 2020 money went. 

Any guesses? 

Salam it has been  hardly enough for feeding or maybe providing healthcare for Palestinians which amount of never has been sufficient for that although of propaganda of western countries & world bank which in reality it was like giving painkiller to a dying person  about  their great  help which in opposition to their false humanitarian claims it was not sufficient even for covering up needs of Palestinians which Palestinians had to ask for more financial support from rest of Arab world which KSA is always in top of list of financial supporters of both of Lebanon Palestine but they give their financial aid to corrupt groups & leaders specially to Mahmoud Abbas & his crow in Fatah party which they have wasted all financial helps in making financial deals with fake state of Israel which world bank financial help has been used in favor of fake state of Israel instead of Palestinians or storing in private accounts of  Mahmoud Abbas & his crow in fatah party  for spending in their luxuries lifestyle .

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On 11/10/2023 at 4:30 PM, kadhim said:

Answer this basic and obvious question, Haji. If Hamas had widespread popularity in Gaza, why hasn’t there been another election in 18 years? Surely they would enjoy to underline their popularity and mandate to the world if they thought they had a clear path to victory. 

Salam it  shows your total ignorance & just relying on Zionist propaganda which everyone knows that last election has been  cancelled  by fake state of Israel through supporting Fatah party which after that  fake state of Isreal have not allowed another election because it knew that repeating election anytime  after that always will be in favor of Hamas & against zionist backed Fatah party which you believe to zionist propaganda about calling itself as most democratic government  in west Asia which it's just a black humor .:hahaha:

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On 11/8/2023 at 7:12 PM, kadhim said:

“they stole it for prostitutes and champagne

This story relates to current war which at least one Zionist rabbi provides "Kosher SexToys " for IDF soldiers for helping them for fighting with Palestinians which it has been confirmed by your favorite Zionist source in opposition to your false claims which the Zionist Rabbi & his daughter with pride have announced that they have provieded Kosher Sex Toys for IDF soldiers  as god chosen  soldiers in conflict with palestinians which it's totally similar to declaring Jihad of Nikah by wabaist for plaesure of Daesh/ISIS fighters against muslims.

Kosher sex store in Tel Aviv run by rabbi's daughter 

 https://www.timesofisrael.com/kosher-sex-store-in-tel-aviv-run-by-rabbis-daughter-sells-spice-for-marriages/

Israeli rabbi markets line of ‘kosher’ sex toys for orthodox Jews

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“As we said in one of the articles, this world was run by men for men. It’s now time to change that mindset and say this is a world for couples, this is a world for marriage, this a world for love.”

https://globalnews.ca/news/2020816/israeli-rabbi-markets-line-of-kosher-sex-toys-for-orthodox-jews/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-05-20/toy-vey-the-rabbi-selling-kosher-vibrators

 

Rabbi markets 'kosher' sex toys to devout Jews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO-R5gqdbVA

 

Rabid Zionist Rabbi Schmuley Hawks SEX TOYS With His daughter

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PevV6rxio0s

Rabbi Shmuley's daughter just opened a sex shop in Tel Aviv

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, realizm said:

If we applied the ahadith analogy, that's what it would mean. 

IDF version, the most commonly broadcasted, would be mutawatir. 

And you clearly labeled Abu Obeida as a da`if.

You implied IDF are reliable and Hamas are liars. 

 

Other way around : if the enemy heads towards a hospital, that's a war crime. And as a guerilla movement, you take positions to harass them. 

Does that come to mind? 

I do not share the idea subtly suggested by wicked people that their tactics which consist in building tunnels makes them sneaky animals like foxes, weasels ot racoons. 

I would just say it's survival-inspired. 

This, if an enemy is attempting to commit a war crime by going towards a hospital and targetting it, the defenders have to harass these soldiers so they make it difficult for them to reach the location of the hospital.

Israel has to have ABSOLUTE 100% certainty that the hospital is being used by the military, but no, the israelis when they arrived in the hospital, what did they do?

They searched the hospital, they did not know anything, their intel knew nothing. Every soldier involved in targetting this hospital, cutting or preventing the hospital to be supplied with necessities, that entered this hospital is litterally a war criminal by international law.

Then, they plant weapons to have this pathetic attempt propaganda or even at absolving themselves of any warcrimes. "Look guys!!! We found weapons we totally didn't plant, we were justified in starving this hospital and targetting it:shock:

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