Israel-Palestine conflict

[Haq hai ali]

Salamu'alykum bros and sises,

I have been reading events, tragedies, discussions, speeches, propagandas, news coverages and all sorts of things about the israel-palestine conflict, regrettably more from the muslim prespective than the jewish prespective. Does anyone know of any good book and/or article (preferably online) that takes a third party's prespective. I DONT want biased propaganda, i want historical facts and the religous significance for BOTH relgions in this conflict. And the political aspect of it aswell......

Thankyou,

wasalam

[Lester]

you will never find this article! Just read as much as you can and always remember: there are two sides to the story. If you can acknowledge that you are probably ahead of about 75% of those who know anything about it.

[Shamsiddeen]

As Salaam Alaikum Haq Hai Ali,

The best summary that you will find on the internet that I have discovered thus far is:

http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

The title of this booklet is: "The Origin of the Palestinian Israeli Conflict". It is the best I have seen and includes contributions from several authors. Here are some words from the introduction just to wet your appetite:

Introduction

The standard Zionist position is that they showed up in Palestine in the late 19th century to reclaim their ancestral homeland. Jews bought land and started building up the Jewish community there. They were met with increasingly violent opposition from the Palestinian Arabs, presumably stemming from the Arabs' inherent anti-Semitism. The Zionists were then forced to defend themselves and, in one form or another, this same situation continues up to today.

The problem with this explanation is that it is simply not true, as the documentary evidence in this booklet will show. What really happened was that the Zionist movement, from the beginning, looked forward to a practically complete dispossession of the indigenous Arab population so that Israel could be a wholly Jewish state, or as much as was possible. Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present).

The Arab community, as it became increasingly aware of the Zionists' intentions, strenuously opposed further Jewish immigration and land buying because it posed a real and imminent danger to the very existence of Arab society in Palestine. Because of this opposition, the entire Zionist project never could have been realized without the military backing of the British. The vast majority of the population of Palestine, by the way, had been Arabic since the seventh century A.D. (Over 1200 years)

In short, Zionism was based on a faulty, colonialist world view that the rights of the indigenous inhabitants didn't matter. The Arabs' opposition to Zionism wasn't based on anti-Semitism but rather on a totally reasonable fear of the dispossession of their people.

One further point: being Jewish ourselves, the position we present here is critical of Zionism but is in no way anti-Semitic.

[breakfastofchampions]

As Salaam Alaikum Haq Hai Ali,

The best summary that you will find on the internet that I have discovered thus far is:

http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html

The title of this booklet is: "The Origin of the Palestinian Israeli Conflict". It is the best I have seen and includes contributions from several authors. Here are some words from the introduction just to wet your appetite:

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That is not a legitimate source, and has 3 factual errors:

1) It says that zionism is a 19th century phenomena. This is completely wrong, as anyone who knows the first thing about judaism is that the fundamental goal of the religion is the return of all of the jews to israel, land stolen from them by amongst other groups, muslims.

2)Second, the article indicates that the jews wanted to cleanse the area of all arabs. How is this possible if there were thousands of arab muslims living on the farms developed by jews to work alongside jews in tilling the fields. If jews didnt want arabs living there, they would never have allowed them to move to their farms nor hired them to work on them.

3)Third, the sentence about land purchasing is comical, not even making any sense. It was primarily Turkish muslims who many jews were buying arad desert from. If arabs were unhappy about this purchasing, then they should have complained to the land owners about how their racist notions wouldnt allow their fellow muslims to sell land to jews.

Once you stop, and begin to actually think for a second about what some people with an agenda will write about, you begin to understand a situation far more clearly.

[Shamsiddeen]

That is not a legitimate source, and has 3 factual errors:

1) It says that zionism is a 19th century phenomena.  This is completely wrong, as anyone who knows the first thing about judaism is that the fundamental goal of the religion is the return of all of the jews to israel, land stolen from them by amongst other groups, muslims.

2)Second, the article indicates that the jews wanted to cleanse the area of all arabs.  How is this possible if there were thousands of arab muslims living on the farms developed by jews to work alongside jews in tilling the fields.  If jews didnt want arabs living there, they would never have allowed them to move to their farms nor hired them to work on them.

3)Third, the sentence about land purchasing is comical, not even making any sense.  It was primarily Turkish muslims who many jews were buying arad desert from.  If arabs were unhappy about this purchasing, then they should have complained to the land owners about how their racist notions wouldnt allow their fellow muslims to sell land to jews.

Once you stop, and begin to actually think for a second about what some people with an agenda will write about, you begin to understand a situation far more clearly.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

LOL breakfastofchampions!!! Typical hateful Zionist mentality trying to steer people away from truth. I am glad there are some honest Jews in the world who put together the site with references to independent scholars, thinkers, etc with most of them being Jewish to give a true documentation of the history of the Palestinian Israeli conflict.

You say a lot of things in your post with no reference but your words. I guess you must think that because you say it is so then it is so. No need to prove your assertions, just state them. :wub: The interesting thing is that the information on the site debunks your assertions thoroughly and excellently. I encourage everyone to go to the site and find out for themselves.

Zionism is a 19th Century phenomena and it was started by Theodore Herzl who was an atheist. The removal of Arabs bodily from Palestine is part of the Zionist plan to "spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment...Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried away discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry. You can read more about Herzl and the Zionist plans here:

http://www.cactus48.com/mandate.html

True religious Jews, like the Neturei Karta boldly state that Zionism is not Judaism. They even go further than the Palestinians in stating that Israel has no right to exist religiously and legally. They believe that only G-d would give them their promised land and NOT through the theft, murders, and slaughter of innocent people as what the Zionist s did in Palestine. You can read more about these brave Jews here:

http://www.nkusa.org/

[Haji 2003]

https://twitter.com/BowesChay/status/1706787440176873644

[Haji 2003]

Upsurge in conflict

 

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Khaled Qadomi, the spokesperson of Hamas tells Al Jazeera that the operation of the Qassam Bridages, is a signal not only to Israel but also the international community that Palestinians are only defending themselves in response to all the atrocities they have been facing in recent years.

“We want the international community to stop atrocities in Gaza, against Palestinian people, our holy sites like Al Aqsa. All these things are the reason behind starting this battle,” he said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/7/israel-palestine-escalation-live-news-barrage-of-rockets-fired-from-gaza

 

 

 

 

[Haji 2003]

[Haji 2003]

 

[Abu Nur]

Jazakallah khayran for the information. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) give victory to Palestinians and help them to bring Justice. God is always with people of Justice. 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Abu Nur

[Abu Nur]

4 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

This is shaytan speech. There will be never a diplomatic solution because Israel will never accept two state solution. They want peace with Israel because of their economical plans. Same goes with Egypt and Jordan. Halting is what they want so that the previous humiliation will be resume and these coward arabs countries can continue their relationship with Israel. 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Abu Nur

[Guest Rep]

Will Hizbollah start fighting too?

[Diaz]

2 minutes ago, Guest Rep said:

Will Hizbollah start fighting too?

I don't think so, lebanon has other things to do.

[Haji 2003]

A question worth asking

 

[Haji 2003]

[Abu Nur]

6 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

A question worth asking

 

There is really no doubt about this. Few months ago an Egyptian demonstrated how it was easy to inflintrate to Israel while killing three Israeli soldiers:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/daily-briefing-june-4-timeline-of-how-an-egyptian-infiltrated-israel-to-kill-3/amp/

[Abu Nur]

28 minutes ago, Guest Rep said:

Will Hizbollah start fighting too?

I really don't know and time will tell. There must be a planning here between Hamas and resistance to launch this scale of attack. 

[Abu Nur]

 

[ireallywannaknow]

SubhanAllah this is so exciting  recite dua #27 of sahifa sajjadiyyah for the brave Palestinians on the front lines. 

[Diaz]

If anyone can donated at least few dollars be do, pls share the link as well if you will or won’t donate.

 

https://www.launchgood.com/campaign/palestine_under_attack?src=Razicks4Palestine#!/

[Guest Rep]

If Hizbollah attacks from the North,Israel will be in big trouble...

[Abu Hadi]

Noone knows how this will end but I can say I congratulate the Mukaqawima for having a backbone, unlike the rest of the Arab so called 'leaders'. 

What brothers and sisters need to understand is that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is constantly assisting those who stand with The Haqq, even if they are a small group with little resources AND Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is always causing those who stand with the Batil to be humiliated and disgraced, even if they are a large group with alot of resources. This is the Law of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) which never changes. 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) continue to bless and assist those who stand with Haqq and may we see the liberation of Al Quds from the Zionist Occupiers very soon. 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Abu Hadi

[Abu Hadi]

Also, if you have a friend or collegue that doesn't know about the issue of Palestine and what the conflict is about, I found this really good interview with Dr. Azzam Tamimi where he explains the entire issue going back to 1948 in detail, enough to understand the issues but not too much to overwhelm someone. Highly recommended. 

 

[Abu Nur]

 

[kadhim]

1 hour ago, Abu Hadi said:

Noone knows how this will end but I can say I congratulate the Mukaqawima for having a backbone, unlike the rest of the Arab so called 'leaders'. 

What brothers and sisters need to understand is that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is constantly assisting those who stand with The Haqq, even if they are a small group with little resources AND Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is always causing those who stand with the Batil to be humiliated and disgraced, even if they are a large group with alot of resources. This is the Law of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) which never changes. 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) continue to bless and assist those who stand with Haqq and may we see the liberation of Al Quds from the Zionist Occupiers very soon. 

Hamas are corrupt, death-worshipping psychopaths. There is no “haqq” in any of this. 

May God protect the poor, every day Palestinians who will reap the whirlwind of the recklessness of their dismal leadership. 

[Guest Free Palestine]

1 hour ago, kadhim said:

Hamas are corrupt, death-worshipping psychopaths. There is no “haqq” in any of this. 

How are Palestinians supposed to retaliate to violence? Thoughts and prayers?

[Abu Hadi]

11 hours ago, kadhim said:

Hamas are corrupt, death-worshipping psychopaths. There is no “haqq” in any of this. 

May God protect the poor, every day Palestinians who will reap the whirlwind of the recklessness of their dismal leadership. 

I didn't mention H* specifically, you did. Lol. 

I said 'Mukawima', i.e. Islamic Resistance. Whoever is fighting against the Zionist Occupiers according to the teachings of Rasoulallah(p.b.u.b.) (authentic teachings as taught to us by Imams of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام))), I support that. Whatever group name you want to insert or not, that's up to you. 

It should be clear to everyone on the planet by now, including non muslims, that there is no such things as  'good faith' negotiations with the Zionists. They only understand the language of force, period. After all the history we have on this issue, anyone who believes otherwise is living in a fantasy world. 

As Dr. Tamimi so eloquently said in the video I posted, "the Zionists will continue to steal land and oppress the people until they no longer have the ability to do it", so taking away their ability to do it is the only actual way to stop them. This is just logic which most people can understand. 

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Abu Hadi

[ireallywannaknow]

10 hours ago, kadhim said:

Hamas are corrupt, death-worshipping psychopaths. There is no “haqq” in any of this. 

Someone (with no basira) could, God forbid say the same about Imam Hussain (عليه السلام). 

[Diaz]

Something that the west won’t share in their satanic news.

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyHEaKvSwnz/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[Abu Hadi]

44 minutes ago, ireallywannaknow said:

Someone (with no basira) could, God forbid say the same about Imam Hussain (عليه السلام). 

This goes back directly to Imam Hussein((عليه السلام)). Once you realize that your enemy is aggressive in their mission to destroy you and they are not willing to enter into any type of real negotiation, you only have one option, which is to fight. This is what Imam Hussein((عليه السلام)). showed us. 

I think the last 12 months or so, witn the Israelis electing, over and over again, a corrupt evil individual (Netanyahu) who is 'hell bent' on expelling the Palestians and the Muslims from the remaining West Bank and Al Quds and he has a willing military apparatus who is willing to violate every standard and norm of human rights and international law to do this, AND they are being given full support by the US and EU, then there is only one conclusion you can reach, the same conclusion Imam Hussein((عليه السلام)) came to regarding Yazid. 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Abu Hadi

[Abu Nur]

 

[Diaz]

17 hours ago, Guest Rep said:

Will Hizbollah start fighting too?

 

13 hours ago, Guest Rep said:

If Hizbollah attacks from the North,Israel will be in big trouble...

Update: today in the morning Hezbollah attacked 2-3 Israeli camps to show they are with Palestine.  Israeli attached south Lebanon with 3 rockets, injuring 2 people.

[Abu Hadi]

12 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

 

This video shows that they have a definite military strategy which will be difficult for the Zionists to counter. 

They are trying to establish a line of control between Gaza and the South Western West Bank in order to make Palestine a contiguous State and to split the Negev into two parts with Palestinian control in between. Cleaver. 

They will not attempt to take the area at once, but over time, like the Zionists took Palestine. 

Edited October 8, 2023 by Abu Hadi

[EiE]

This action was completely stupid.

There is no chance that they will defeat the most well-protected and supported nation in the world with their paragliders.....

The consequences will fall on the innocent Palestinians who will be killed and removed from their homes even more severely now.

This action is not only pointless but also very foolish.

 

It is possible that this action was orchestrated in collaboration with the Israeli army to accelerate their plans of completely taking over Palestine.

 

I find it amusing how many of you support this action while simultaneously paying taxes that contribute to the funding of the Israeli army's defense and killings of palestinians.

Edited October 8, 2023 by EiE

[kadhim]

1 hour ago, ireallywannaknow said:

Someone (with no basira) could, God forbid say the same about Imam Hussain (عليه السلام). 

 [Edited by moderator] Imam Hussain has nothing to do with this mindless savagery. Keep his name out of this. 

Edited October 8, 2023 by notme
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