Israel-Palestine conflict

[In Gods Name]

 

[Guest Psi]

On 3/25/2024 at 4:14 PM, Abu Hadi said:

Ceasefire passed in UN Security council. Us did not veto this time

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-security-council-demands-immediate-ceasefire-gaza-2024-03-25/

 

I'm assuming this ceasefire is only temporary and will resume at some point (probably after Ramadhan is over) which might as well be pointless and delaying the inevitable genocide of the Palestinians for the interests of Benjamin Mileikowsky.

[In Gods Name]

In utter disbelief, approaching the nights of Qadr and this is what we see?

I deem Israel the most evil entity on the planet, and Nethanyahu the most evil man in the world, and the crimes they have committed some of the worst we have seen this century.

They are as close to pure evil as possible. It is one of the greatest evils we may see in our life times.

 

Edited March 29, 2024 by In Gods Name

[Ahmad8888]

This is an intresting development, salafi YouTuber daniel haqiqatjou will take legal action against the ADL for defamation. 

 

 

 

[Haji 2003]

Gal Gadot

Second video

 

 

[Azadeh307]

On 3/29/2024 at 10:10 PM, Ahmad8888 said:

haqiqatjou

I imagine Daniel will win. He is passionate about his arguments. 

[Haji 2003]

Dispassionate and analytical review of what happened on Oct 7

 

[علوي]

LIVE COVERAGE:

BREAKING: Iran Strikes Israel With HUNDREDS of Drones and Missiles

https://rumble.com/v4pbb6t-breaking-iran-strikes-israel-with-hundreds-of-drones-and-missiles.html

 

 

[علوي]

iran has the right to defend itself btw

[علوي]

Iranian Khorramshahr ballistic missiles are being launched towards occupied Palestine. 

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The Khorramshahr (Persian: خرمشهر), named after the city of Khorramshahr in Iran, is a medium-range ballistic missile that was tested by Iran in January 2017. With a range between 1,000 and 2000 km, it can carry a 1,800 kg warhead^{[2][3][4][5][6][7][8]} and is 13 m in length.^[9]

[Ashvazdanghe]

Salam related thread

 

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[Ashvazdanghe]

IDF likely killed this little girl , Investigation Uncover

This Obscene Israeli lie taken Apart -And the Damning truth It tells Us

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

Smear campaign against Us Gaza protests taken apart -w/.Nara Milanich

 

[Haji 2003]

 

[Otto Kretschmer]

Any estimates of Israeli losses in the ground operation in Gaza?

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[Haji 2003]

The Bloomberg link

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/saudi-arabia-steps-up-gaza-arrests-as-israel-ties-edge-closer?utm_source=website&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=twitter

 

[Diaz]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

The Bloomberg link

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/saudi-arabia-steps-up-gaza-arrests-as-israel-ties-edge-closer?utm_source=website&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=twitter

 

That satan smile, my allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) curse him.

[Haji 2003]

The pressure put on others

Members of US Senate pressure International Criminal Court with sanctions if case against Israel proceeds.

[Abu Hadi]

They just exposed themselves. What they are saying is 'There is one set of rules for our allies, and another set of rules for everyone else'. This is the definition of injustice. I predict this document will be studied by historians to mark the beginning of the end of the US System the way it stands today. 

 

[Haji 2003]

 

 

[Haji 2003]

Eurovision song contest - pro-Palestine protests

Yes, Israel takes part because although it is not in Europe, most of its Zionists are from that continent.

 

 

[Haji 2003]

Belgian broadcaster announcement during Eurovision

“This is a union action. We condemn the human rights violations committed by Israel. Additionally, Israel is destroying press freedom. That is why we are pausing the broadcast for a moment.”

 

[Abu Hadi]

There are probably not too many here that remember when Apartheid in South Africa ended. It ended May 4, 1990. I was young then but I still remember it. 

It unfolded almost exactly like what is happening now with the Zionist State. There were boycotts and divestment. Then I remember the movie 'Cry Freedom' coming out in 1987. My mom took me to see that movie and it really made an impression on me. After that movie came out, then I remember artists and singers start to boycott and not go to South Africa. Then more companies started to pull out of South Africa, then apartheid ended. 

I think the Zionist state has already had it's 'Cry Freedom' moment with the campus demonstrations. The main difference between the Zionist state and South Africa is that South Africa was a real country with recognized borders before apartheid. The country of South Africa did not depend on apartheid for it's existence. So it was still a country after apartheid ended. 

The Zionists State, from the very beginning up until now, is 100% dependent on the apartheid system plus even worse forms of oppression in order for it to exist. If tomorrow the unjust system that treats Palestinians as 'human animals' was to end and they had equal rights and free and fair elections were called, the Zionists would immediately get on planes and leave and go back to Europe, US, etc. I don't think there would be any sort of mass violence against Jewish people even if the system was free and fair and the biggest proof of that is how Palestine was before 1948, i.e. a place where Muslims, Jews, and Christians lived together in peace. In the mind of the Zionist though (and believe me I have talked to many of them) they believe that every Palestinian wants to kill them and death is their greatest fear. So they would leave and Palestine would be Muslims and Christians. 

[Azadeh307]

How do you morally analyze the recent events in Gaza, especially the behavior of the Zionists? One response below:

 

Morality encompasses all aspects of a Muslim’s life, from the foods one eats to how one participates in politics. Muslims must not just refrain from doing bad and seeking to do good, they must also forbid others from doing bad and encourage others to do good. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), there was not a separation of religion and politics. Since the Prophet is the reference point for Muslims seeking perfection of character, Muslims strive to live by his example. When we understand that Islamic morality encompasses all aspects of a Muslim’s life and acknowledge there was no separation between religion and politics during the time of the Prophet we may empathize with the agency of Palestinian people to have their own state.  

 

On the other hand, Zionists seek to separate religion and state and their morality does not encompass all aspects of their life. In fact, the Jewish psychoanalyst Dr. Sigmund Freud asserted that the fundamental conflict for human beings is between the individual and society. Since Freud viewed social life to be oppressive to the individual, the individual was in a position where either he repressed parts of himself or he changed society according to one’s whims by “winning the conflict.” According to Pinkas (2022), Freud’s well known preface to the Hebrew translation of Totem and Taboo indicates that Freud believed that Zionism (cultural Judaism) was an intellectual development in Judaism that is capable of appreciating the psychoanalytic project. He also believed that Zionism arose out of anti-Semitism. 

 

For Muslims the fundamental conflict for human beings is between the individual’s unbridled desire state and the individual’s disposition to do good. This is known as the greater jihad, which is the internal struggle within oneself. To win this conflict Muslims seek to harness their desires and emotions and sublimate them to empower an active ability to do good. According to Islam it is not enough to do good for one’s own sake. Human beings are perceived to have responsibilities to oneself, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), one’s family, one’s society, nature, and all of the universe. This worldview allows Muslim to be reflective, active, and dynamic. 

 

These differences of philosophical and psychological opinion between Zionists and Muslims on what the fundamental human conflict is lead Zionists to band together and fight against social order and Muslims to fight for social order. Moreover, the main difference between the secular ethics of the Zionists and the religious ethics of the Muslims lie in the construction of rules. Rules are constructed by what is perceived to be practical to the Zionists, whereas rules are constructed based on religion for the Muslims. When one only relies on what is practical to organize one’s boundaries for behavior and separates religion from politics one will have a distorted and incomplete understanding of good and bad when it comes to personal, social, political, and universal affairs. This being said, methodology in religious ethics encompasses more methods than the methodology of secular ethics. For example, the former has theological methods and intuitive methods in addition to the rational and philosophical methods of the latter. 

 

Due to the fact that the ethical methodology of the Zionists limits rationality to the material world, their rationality is not able to fly into the intellectual realms. All ethical systems are designed to lead human beings to happiness. However, happiness in the Muslim worldview comes from good deeds and Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). This contrasts with the Zionist worldview, which asserts that happiness comes from (illusions of) worldly power and control, satisfaction of personal desires, and freedom from social and natural order. 

 

The primary objective of ethical theory is to make good decisions. Zionists seek to make decisions which they perceive will increase their probabilities of attaining pleasure and avoiding pain, however they overlook the reality principle because they cannot see outside of their selfish interests. Muslims seek to make decisions that will support them to develop stable good character. In Islam good manners and character are prescribed for the sake of not just the individual but also for the sake of society. 

 

Unsurprisingly, Zionists are hypocritical. For example, they lament that women are mistreated in Iran in an attempt to weaponize human rights, yet they commit genocide on women in Palestine. According to their own logic, genocide is the worst thing ever. Therefore, based on their own logic genocide is worse than a different culture’s conflicting perspective on gender and sexuality. Another example that highlights the hypocritical nature of the Zionists is they say Muslims are oppressive to LGBT while at the same time touting democracy as the tool to liberate people. Fifty years ago mainstream Americans did not accept LGBT. If in fact, democracy was the tool to liberate people and promote freedom then the Palestinians should have their own state. I am not myself expressing a position on whether LGBT is right or wrong, I am simply illustrating how according to the logic of Zionists one may conclude that Palestinians should have their own state. 

 

In conclusion when it comes to the ethics of the Zionist state their methodology for ethics does not seem rational, as it is full of contradictions. We can only conclude that their methodology for ethics is subjective, atheist, and existential. The existential view is that nothing is as important as the human right to select any way one would like to follow and at the same time the human right to monopolize one’s self-evaluation as good or bad.

 

[Haji 2003]

Ralph Nader

For people who don’t know who Ralph Nader is (from Wikipedia):

American political activist, author, lecturer, and attorney noted for his involvement in consumer protection, environmentalism, and government reform causes, and a perennial presidential candidate. He became famous in the 1960s and 1970s for his book Unsafe at Any Speed, which criticized the automotive industry for its safety record and helped lead to the passage of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act in 1966.

 

[Muhammed Ali]

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Do you think that the Israeli government’s military response to the attack by Hamas has been...?

Too harsh 31%

About right 25%

Not harsh enough 15%

Not sure 29%

 

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_nURRSN3.pdf

After everything that has happened, only 31% of Americans say the response has been too harsh.

Let's not pretend that the problem is only the politicians. That country has a troubled future.

[Abu Hadi]

On 5/11/2024 at 4:23 AM, Haji 2003 said:

Ralph Nader

For people who don’t know who Ralph Nader is:

American political activist, author, lecturer, and attorney noted for his involvement in consumer protection, environmentalism, and government reform causes, and a perennial presidential candidate. He became famous in the 1960s and 1970s for his book Unsafe at Any Speed, which criticized the automotive industry for its safety record and helped lead to the passage of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act in 1966.

 

Once the collapsed buildings are cleared and all the bodies are taken from underneath the rubble and the mass graves, and the other ways Zionists have tried to lower the death count by obviscation then...

The count will be much higher than 35,000. It could be 200,000. I think this is what he is trying to say. Given the circumstances that exist in Gaza, he is saying it will be much higher than 35,000. 35,000 is only the official count from the Gaza Health Ministry based on the bodies that they have identified and matched with  their health records. It is a list of 35,000 names, matched with official records. Ralph Nader is probably the only politician in the US (well him and Rashida Tlaib) that I trust what they say. The rest are just liars and pieces of garbage. 

Most likely 10% of the population of Gaza has already been murdered by the Zionists. Imagine if this was done to any other population what the repercussions would be. Los Angeles, with a population of 3 million and 300,000 were murdered. Mexico City with a population of 8 million and 800,000 were murdered. Not died in a natural disaster but murdered by a government. What would happen to that government ? Except if it's the Zionist State then nothing happens and it's business as usual. 

The only thing that keeps me from losing my mind in all of this is that I know that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is watching and he will punish those oppressors and the punishment of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) cannot be withstood by the heavens or the earth. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is Mirsad (always watching). 

Edited May 15, 2024 by Abu Hadi

[Haji 2003]

[Ashvazdanghe]

Salam surly they will welcome IOF/IDF war criminals who have went from Europe & America to Palestine for genocide of Palestinians since Oct 7 after returning to homes in Europe & America after post war which they will be welcomed by flags likewise so called "War heroes"  & "veterans" by their zionist supporters which I hope so after making cease fire or maybe peace deal students & people will go after them to expose their war crimes & ask for their trial in similar fashion of after returning ex Isis/Daesh members to  Europe & America.

[Ashvazdanghe]

Related thread

 

[Haji 2003]

Why Mearsheimer now thinks it is genocide