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2 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

I didn't mention H* specifically, you did. Lol. 

Oh. Silly me. Why would I think a post in a talk that got revived by something Hamas is doing, where people are talking about what Hamas is doing, is about Hamas? How crazy of me, akhi

2 hours ago, Abu Hadi said:

I said 'Mukawima', i.e. Islamic Resistance. Whoever is fighting against the Zionist Occupiers according to the teachings of Rasoulallah(p.b.u.b.) (authentic teachings as taught to us by Imams of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام))), I support that. Whatever group name you want to insert or not, that's up to you. 

Ok. So in this campaign, Hamas, by all accounts, kidnapped and butchered women and children. That’s rather obviously discordant with the teachings of rasulullah (s) and the imams (a). Do you then reject the actions of Hamas then and separate yourself from them?

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1 hour ago, EiE said:

This action was completely stupid.

I am not so sure.

There was/is the very real prospect that the Saudis will completely ignore their interests in return for their own gains in a peace deal with Israel. Certainly in the press coverage that I have seen, you can see what Israel will stand to gain and you can see what Saudi will gain - but there is no mention of gains for the Palestinians.

At the point where any agreement happens, the Palestinians lose legitimacy amongst a proportion of the Saudi following public in Sunni countries.

This is their chance to raise the conflict in the consciousness of the Arab world and make it harder for them to be ignored in any deal.

 

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Not sure if this is true but I heard from some news outlets and some journalists that us military are backing up Israel. So Palestinian are fighting Israelis and Americans.

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5 hours ago, EiE said:

This action was completely stupid.

There is no chance that they will defeat the most well-protected and supported nation in the world with their paragliders.....

The consequences will fall on the innocent Palestinians who will be killed and removed from their homes even more severely now.

This action is not only pointless but also very foolish.

 

It is possible that this action was orchestrated in collaboration with the Israeli army to accelerate their plans of completely taking over Palestine.

 

I find it amusing how many of you support this action while simultaneously paying taxes that contribute to the funding of the Israeli army's defense and killings of palestinians.

I don't think it is about defeating Israel but a necessery action for Palestinians to take when they noticed that arabs neighbour's are literally going to side with Israel and their nation to be wiped out of the map. I must say that they did this action to call all the Muslims to take side with them. 

We really can not yet tell where is this going, who planned this and what is their plan. But I surely I'm siding with those who seek justice for their oppression.

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2 hours ago, Diaz said:

Not sure if this is true but I heard from some news outlets and some journalists that us military are backing up Israel. So Palestinian are fighting Israelis and Americans.

I believe they will backing them if Hisbollah joins. If the resistance joins then they have an excuse to literally go war with Iran. 

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4 hours ago, kadhim said:

butchered women and children

We're relying on Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly for our ME news coverage yet again I see

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5 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

We're relying on Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly for our ME news coverage yet again I see

Ah. Of course. All the awfulness everyone else is seeing is just hasbara. Just gotta stay in the Pali militant echo chamber and only hear what you want to hear.

Keep going, bro. I’ve almost got a win on my bingo card. 

 

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2 hours ago, Diaz said:

Not sure if this is true but I heard from some news outlets and some journalists that us military are backing up Israel. So Palestinian are fighting Israelis and Americans.

Everywhere in the world where 'US allies' are being attacked, there are always Special Forces. Usually SEAL teams (Navy) or Rangers (Army) or Marines or all three. They're in Ukraine now also so getting spread kind of thin at this point. 

I don't think there is many of them though. I have heard thru different sources they don't like working with Israelis because they are notorious for turning on anyone who is helping them if they think it is in their interest to do so. No loyalty whatsoever, only self interest. They are there, and they will follow orders, but I doubt they'll go 'above and beyond' to help out, in this case. Just a guess. Also I don't think there are too many of them. Almost none of them speak Hebrew or Arabic, so they would be lost without a translator along side them every minute. 

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13 minutes ago, kadhim said:

And, they were of course correct in that assessment. None of these adventures have ever accomplished anything. 

Except for liberating the country from Israeli occupation. If you want to count that as an accomplishment. :bye:

Here is the Israelis rolling into Beirut in 1982.

In case anyone forgot. 

They're not there anymore, or anywhere in Lebanon. 

Here's more video of Israeli planes dropping bombs on civilian apartment complexes in Beirut. 

https://www.britishpathe.com/asset/179068/

You can't find these videos on YouTube (Gee, wonder why...)

My wife was an infant at the time and was in one of those buildings. So I know it happened. The only reason she survived was because the shell that hit her building was a dud and didn't explode. Otherwise my life would have been alot different. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Abu Hadi said:

Except for liberating the country from Israeli occupation. If you want to count that as an accomplishment. :bye:

Here is the Israelis rolling into Beirut in 1982.

In case anyone forgot. 

They're not there anymore, or anywhere in Lebanon. 

I’ll give you that one. 

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28 minutes ago, Guest Guest said:

I cannot believe what I am reading in this forum:there are members whoare  actually against the Palestinians and Hamas! Are you guys sure you are Muslim???

Who is “against the Palestinians?” 

I’m against Hamas because I’m for the Palestinians. 

You can’t rationally have both. These two things are in opposition to each other. Tactically. Strategically. Morally. 

Are you sure you’re a Muslim?

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5 hours ago, kadhim said:

Who is “against the Palestinians?” 

I’m against Hamas because I’m for the Palestinians. 

You can’t rationally have both. These two things are in opposition to each other. Tactically. Strategically. Morally. 

Are you sure you’re a Muslim?

Don't lose context of the overall situation. Israel has brutally (and illegally) blockaded Gaza without pause since 2007. In fact, they continue to occupy Gaza despite their famous "withdrawal" in 2005. I'll tell you why: You cannot claim to have ended the occupation of a territory when you control the ports, all entry points, the sky, the goods that come and go and the utilities. Israel routinely prevents even basic necessities from reaching the people such as medicines. That is by definition an occupation. Every day a person is born in Gaza into an open-air prison (that phrase was famously coined by the former high commissioner of Human Rights at the UN, Mary Robinson, who called it "the worlds largest open-air prison"), in the West Bank without civil rights, in Israel with an inferior status by law, and in neighboring countries effectively condemned to lifelong refugee status, like their parents and grandparents before them, solely because they are Palestinian and not Jewish. What are the Palestinian People (in particular Gazans) supposed to do, roll over and die? I am not endorsing any particular group or tactic, I am just pointing out the ludicrousness of even having such a discussion outside of that broader context. 

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8 hours ago, kadhim said:

Who is “against the Palestinians?” 

I’m against Hamas because I’m for the Palestinians. 

You can’t rationally have both. These two things are in opposition to each other. Tactically. Strategically. Morally. 

Are you sure you’re a Muslim?

Okay Mr Idealistic, how would you like it to go? Israel continues butchering Palestinian women and kids and Palestinians are supposed to be nice about it? Hamas are Palestinians and a lot of Palestinians support them. But go on, let’s hear what yet another white man has to say about Middle Eastern liberation 

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10 hours ago, kadhim said:

Keep going, bro. I’ve almost got a win on my bingo card.

 

10 hours ago, kadhim said:

I’m against Hamas because I’m for the Palestinians.

Salam

You are  laying a horse  which in similar fashion  KSA has done it by not supporting Hamas even has done imprisonment of Hamas leaders & followers in KSA  under guise of helping Palestinias so then has tried to initiate normalization with Israel which now you are just follow footsteps of MBS the Chainsaw prince .

Iran's Leader: Normalization with Israel ‘betting on a losing horse’

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Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has rebuked countries seeking to normalize relations with Israel, stating that “the Zionist regime is perishable”.

“The Islamic Republic's definite position is that the governments that use the normalization gamble with the Zionist regime as a model for themselves will lose and the loss awaits them,” Ayatollah Khamenei said on Tuesday.

Ayatollah Khamenei said Israel holds malice against Muslim countries.

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“The Zionist regime is full of hatred and anger, not only towards us, but also other countries. It is not like the Zionist regime is happy with the countries far and around it. They also hate Egypt, Iraq and Syria.

“Why? Because their goal was from the Nile to the Euphrates and this did not happen. These countries did not allow it for different reasons,” the Leader said.

“Well, of course, the Qur'an says, ‘Be angry and die of anger.’ That will be the case. They are dying now and by the grace of God ‘Be angry and die of anger’ is being realized in the case of the Zionist regime,” he added.

Ayatollah Khamenei said hostility towards Islam is more obvious than ever now, citing the desecration of the Holy Qur’an in the West as an example.

“An ignorant idiot insults and a government supports it, which shows that the issue is not just a staged and insulting act,” he said.

“We have nothing to do with that ignorant and oblivious person who condemns himself to the most severe punishments and execution in order to fulfill the objectives of the behind-the-scenes elements. The discussion is about the designers of these crimes and hateful acts.

“They think they can weaken the Qur’an, but they are wrong and they ruin themselves,” the Leader added.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/10/03/711992/Iran-Leader-enmity-Islam-Qur-an

https://efe.com/en/latest-news/2023-10-03/betting-on-a-losing-horse-says-iran-on-saudi-israel-possible-detente/

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The prospects of an Israel-Saudi peace deal, brokered by the US, have seemingly increased in recent weeks. On Friday, the White House said that a “basic framework” for such a deal is already in place and in the past week, two Israeli ministers have visited the Islamic kingdom.

Tehran and Riyadh recently ended a seven-year rift in a Chinese-brokered rapprochement. But tensions over the war in Yemen resurfaced last week after an attack blamed on Iran-backed Houthi rebels killed four soldiers who were patrolling Saudi Arabia’s southern border. The soldiers were from Bahrain, a close Saudi ally, and Bahrain blamed the Houthis, who have not publicly acknowledged the attack.

On October 2, a Saudi soccer team refused to play an Iranian team in Tehran because of the presence of statues of the slain Iranian general Qassem Soleimani at the stadium.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-leader-khamenei-warns-saudis-against-betting-on-losing-horse-israel/

https://caliber.az/en/post/194269/

Hamas breaks silence on its leader detained by Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia arrested Hamas leader Mohammed al-Khodari, his son and a number of Palestinians, ushering in increased tension in relations between the two sides.



Read more: https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2019/09/saudi-arabia-palestine-hamas-ties-khodari-tension-detained.html#MOHAMMED

Hamas confirms Saudi Arabia detained senior leader

BY ADMIN ON JUNE 9, 2023
 
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According to the Euro-Mediterranean Monitor for Human Rights, a Geneva-based group, Saudi Arabia is holding 60 Palestinian prisoners.

 

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The NGO said it had testimony from 11 Palestinian families who have had relatives forcibly disappeared while visiting or staying in Saudi Arabia.

 

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Former prisoners have complained of conditions inside the prisons, where they say they were deprived of sleep, medical conditions and subject to poor treatment

 

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While the prince has loosened some social restrictions, such as allowing women to drive and opening cinemas, accusations of rights violations continue to plague the country. 

https://www.infonewsall.com/index.php/2023/06/09/hamas-confirms-saudi-arabia-detained-senior-leader/

AL-KHODARI; THE HAMAS LEADER WHO WAS SENTENCED BY KSA TO 15 YEARS IN PRISON FOR NO REASON

 

 

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A Saudi court has lately sentenced Hamas representative in KSA, Dr. Mohammed al-Khodari to 15 years in prison.

The sentence was handed down among 69 Jordanian and Palestinian detainees.

 

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Later that day, the same agency arrested al-Khodari's eldest son Hani, a lecturer at Um al-Qura University in Makkah.

 

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On September 9, 2019, Hamas announced al-Khodari's arrest with his son, saying he had been in charge of managing "the relationship with the kingdom for two decades and holding senior leadership positions in the movement."

https://www.alestiklal.net/en/view/10024/mohammed-al-khodari-how-did-saudi-arabia-punish-its-citizen-for-supporting-the-palestinian-cause

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, kadhim said:

So in this campaign, Hamas, by all accounts, kidnapped and butchered women and children. That’s rather obviously discordant with the teachings of rasulullah (s) and the imams (a). Do you then reject the actions of Hamas then and separate yourself from them?

Salam all of your accusations has no bias except propaganda of Zionists against Muslims & oh wait it has been done by  Hamas ,just because you  have found it in top of search results which you have not tried to check facts so then try to separate truth from falsehood which you just have preferred to accept anything from pro-zionist MSM instead of analyzing & using your brain . :einstein: also you have been Deaf Dumb Blind when Zionist IDF have kidnapped and butchered Palestinian women and children last year .:censored::censored::censored:

 

16 hours ago, kadhim said:

All the awfulness everyone else is seeing is just hasbara. Just gotta stay in the Pali militant echo chamber and only hear what you want to hear.

Noboday has called you Hasbara or etc which you have called yourself by this title  although you are only person who totally has agreed  with propaganda of IDF & Hasbara, (Israeli Defence Force Propaganda Unit) against muslism.

‘Deadliest year’: Nearly 40 children among over 230 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces and settlers in 2022.

25 January 2023
Israel killed five times as many Palestinians in 2022 than it killed in the same period in 2021 [EN/AR]
Part 1: Israeli forces repeatedly and systematically shoot to kill Palestinian children in violation of international law
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Israeli forces and settlers shot and killed 36 Palestinian children with live ammunition this year in the occupied West Bank. Under international law, intentional lethal force is only justified in circumstances where a direct threat to life or of serious injury is present. However, investigations and evidence collected by DCIP regularly suggest that Israeli forces use intentional lethal force against Palestinian children in circumstances that may amount to extrajudicial or wilful killings.

 

 
ActionAid is deeply concerned about the increasing attacks and excessive use of force imposed by Israeli forces and settlers against Palestinians, particularly the impact this is having on women and girls living in the region.

 This included nearly 40 children and 12 Palestinian women including Al Jazeera and Palestinian-American journalist, Shireen Abu Akleh. The latest victim was Jana, a 16-year-old girl who was killed by an Israeli sniper last month in Jenin, north of the West Bank. Jana was found dead on the roof of her home after an Israeli sniper fatally shot her in the head when Israeli soldiers were conducting search and arrest raids stormed the neighbourhood.

The impact of this oppression is particularly difficult for women like Shaheera, a Palestinian refugee living in the Aida Refugee camp near Bethlehem, whose sons were physically assaulted and arrested by Israeli occupation forces.https://actionaid.org/news/2023/deadliest-year-nearly-40-children-among-over-230-palestinians-killed-israeli-forces-and

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In a harrowing account, Shaheera reveals the experiences of Palestinian women:

"Palestinian women in refugee camps suffer from a lack of stability and psychological stress including fear, hyperarousal, disrupted sleep and feeling anxious and unprotected, resulting from the arrests and killings during daily raids by the Israeli military. Women and children are not exempt from these arrests. The release of tear gas in the camps terrifies women and children confined in crowded spaces. The effects of the tear gas can lead to breathing difficulties while long-term effects can include asthma and miscarriages." 

https://actionaid.org/news/2023/deadliest-year-nearly-40-children-among-over-230-palestinians-killed-israeli-forces-and
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/israel-killed-five-times-many-palestinians-2022-it-killed-same
Violence against Palestinian Women A report submitted to the Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women 33rd session - July 2005
https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/ngos/OMCT.pdf

Part 2: Palestinian children bear the brunt of the Israeli military’s three-day assault on the Gaza Strip

17 Palestinian children were confirmed killed after the Israeli military launched a three-day military offensive on the Gaza Strip in early August, according to documentation collected by DCIP. 

Part 3: Israeli forces arbitrarily detained, ill-treated, tortured, and prosecuted Palestinian children in the Israeli military detention system

DCIP estimates an average of 132 Palestinian children were held in Israeli military detention each month in 2022. Precise data is not available because the Israeli Prison Service has stopped releasing detainee headcounts on a monthly basis

 

Part 4: Israeli demolition orders and excessive force threaten Palestinian children’s right to education

58 Palestinian schools located in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem are currently under demolition or stop work orders by Israeli authorities, according to the UNICEF and Save the Children-led Occupied Palestinian Territory Education Cluster. 

Part 5: Israeli authorities continued campaign of repression to crush Palestinian civil society and human rights organizations

Israeli authorities dramatically escalated attacks on Palestinian civil society in August when Israeli forces conducted raids on seven Palestinian civil society and human rights organizations, including DCIP, on August 18.

https://www.dci-palestine.org/year_in_review_2022

 

 

@علوي:.but Al-Jazeera is also taking Israel to the International Criminal Court over the murder of their journalist Shireen Abu Akleh. I thought Al-Jazeera was US-Israel-Saudi funded, but this surprised me.

 

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Iran Blames Int'l Community for Keeping Mum on Israel's Daily Butchering of Palestinians

Kana'ani slammed the "deliberate silence" of the self-proclaimed advocates of human rights in the face of atrocities committed by the Israeli regime, saying the United Nations and other international organizations have a legal obligation to protect the people of Palestine.

"As a result of the deliberate silence of the false claimants of human rights, the assassination and killing of the Palestinian activists and people have turned into a daily behavior of the Zionists," the spokesperson wrote on Twitter on Sunday.

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Iran: Palestinian Hunger-Striker's Death in Israeli Custody Amounts to 'Crime Against Humanity'https://t.co/pXHMcOgHA3 pic.twitter.com/foC86uZNxp

— Fars News Agency (@EnglishFars) May 2, 2023

Some 171 Palestinians, including more than 30 children, were killed by the Israeli forces in the West Bank last year. At least 9,000 others were injured as well.

The United Nations marked 2022 as the deadliest year for Palestinians in the West Bank in 16 years.

Iran describes Israel as the root cause of the region’s instability and insecurity, but also stresses Israel's US-supported barbarity will not change the inevitable fate of the Tel Aviv regime.

22 hours ago, kadhim said:

by all accounts, kidnapped and butchered women and children.

Tehran says the history of the apartheid regime is full of assassinations, massacre, torture and killing of Palestinian kids, and described Tel Aviv regime's atrocities and massacre of Palestinian women and children as indicative of the destitute of Zionists. Iranian officials say the Tel Aviv regime has been struggling for more than 70 years to exit its identity crisis which has been mixed with genocide, plunder, forced displacement and scores of other inhumane moves.

https://www.farsnews.ir/en/news/14020218000132/Iran-Blames-In'l-Cmmniy-fr-Keeping-Mm-n-Israel's-Daily-Bchering-f

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, kadhim said:

How crazy of me, akhi

More than 200 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire since the start of this year, according to the health ministry. At least 35 Israelis have also been killed in Palestinian attacks during the same period

The United Nations has said 2023 is the deadliest year for Palestinians since it started counting fatalities in 2006.

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On Tuesday, three Palestinians were killed during a military raid on Jenin, among them a 15-year-old who was shot by Israeli special forces after he discovered them as he was leaving his grandfather’s house, according to rights group Defense for Children International – Palestine.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/22/israeli-forces-kill-palestinian-in-northern-west-bank

 

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22 hours ago, kadhim said:

How crazy of me, akhi

Yet you see those in whose hearts is a sickness rushing to them, saying, ‘We fear lest a turn of fortune should visit us.’ Maybe Allah will bring about a victory, or a command from Him, and then they will be regretful for what they kept secret in their hearts, (52)

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O you who have faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for allies: they are allies of each other. Any of you who allies with them is indeed one of them. Indeed Allah does not guide the wrongdoing lot. (51)

and the faithful will say, ‘Are these the ones who swore by Allah with solemn oaths that they were with you?!’ Their works have failed, and they have become losers. (53)

https://tanzil.net/#trans/en.qarai/5:52

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9 hours ago, Guest Free Palestine said:

Okay Mr Idealistic, how would you like it to go? Israel continues butchering Palestinian women and kids and Palestinians are supposed to be nice about it? Hamas are Palestinians and a lot of Palestinians support them. But go on, let’s hear what yet another white man has to say about Middle Eastern liberation 

I love how “don’t murder bystanders” is “idealistic” to you. Listen. “Other guy do bad thing so me be beast too” is not an argument within the universe of Islam.

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11 minutes ago, ShiaMan14 said:

war is never exciting.

Not war itself no but the prospect of the end of Israel and freedom for Palestinians is exciting. No wonder people in Palestine and other various countries are celebrating. Of course the casualties and human costs of it are heartbreaking. But as a Palestinian woman writes in an article about her support for Hamas: 

Despite what you might think, no Palestinians are not celebrating death. We do not look at the news and rejoice over the number of Israelis killed. We do not salivate at the sight of blood drenched bodies. Despite what you might think we are not well. We do not look at death and feel happiness.

The “joy” you might be seeing is the idea that for the first time in history we might have a chance to reclaim our land. We might have a chance to end the occupation, we might have a chance to open Gaza’s borders, to visit our family without reprisal and to escape from torturous prisons- this time without a spoon in our hand.

"We are simply tired, and hurt, and grieving and I cannot condemn the militants if I believe even for a second that there might be a possibility of all of this finally coming to an end..

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15 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Someone should make this into that janus-head meme. 

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3 Hezbollah fighters got martyred, and some other are in critical conditions. So there is a high chance Hezbollah will attack which might make them join the war against Israel.

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1 hour ago, Diaz said:

3 Hezbollah fighters got martyred, and some other are in critical conditions. So there is a high chance Hezbollah will attack which might make them join the war against Israel.

Diaper change time on the other side of the fence!!’
This time I’m buying KMB stocks (owner of Huggies brands of diapers and other sanitary products). 

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