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Curious Infidel

MEMBER OF PALTALK MURDERED For Anti-Muslim Debates

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January 16, 2005 -- The father of a murdered New Jersey family was threatened for making anti-Muslim remarks online — and the gruesome quadruple slaying may have been the hateful retaliation, sources told The Post yesterday.

Hossam Armanious, 47, who along with his wife and two daughters was found stabbed to death in his Jersey City home early Friday, would regularly debate religion in a Middle Eastern chat room, one source said.

Armanious, an Egyptian Christian, was well known for expressing his Coptic beliefs and engaging in fiery back-and-forth with Muslims on the Web site paltalk.com.

He "had the reputation for being one of the most outspoken Egyptian Christians," said the source, who had close ties to the family.

The source, who had knowledge of the investigation, refused to specify the anti-Muslim statement. But he said cops told him they were looking into the exchanges as a possible motive.

The married father of two had recently been threatened by Muslim members of the Web site, said a fellow Copt and store clerk who uses the chat room.

"You'd better stop this bull---- or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you," was the threat, said the clerk, who was online at the time and saw the exchange.

But Armanious refused to back down, according to two sources who use the Web site.

Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy would neither confirm nor deny that cops and prosecutors were looking into the religion motive, saying only that "nothing is being ruled out." But a relative of the mayor who answered the phone at Healy's home said there was information the murders were "religion-related."

"There are several theories we are looking into, but we are not commenting on any of them at this time," said Hudson County Assistant Prosecutor Guy Gregory.

Armanious' fervor apparently rubbed off on his daughter, Sylvia — who would have turned 16 yesterday.

"She was very religious and very opinionated," said Jessica Cimino, 15, a fellow sophomore at Dickenson HS.

A family member who viewed photos of the bloodbath said Sylvia seemed to have taken the most savage punishment.

"When we saw the pictures, you could tell that they were hurt really, really bad in the face; especially Sylvia," said Milad Garas, the high-school sophomore's great-uncle.

The heartless killer not only slit Sylvia's throat, but also sliced a huge gash in her chest and stabbed her in the wrist, where she had a tattoo of a Coptic cross.

Also found murdered were the wife, Amal Garas, and the parents' other daughter, Monica.

Fred Ayed, the deacon at St. George and St. Shenouda Church, where the deeply religious family attended services, said he's worried that the murders could have a ripple effect.

"I am concerned for the safety of our community," said Ayed, who knew Hossam for 30 years. "People are scared because one family was slain like cows," said Moheb Ghabour, publisher of a local newspaper for the Coptic community.

Osama Hassan, director of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, described the relationship between Copts and Muslims as cooperative if not friendly.

"I think there might be people that can get into physical fights, but not to the point of murder," Hassan said.

Both the deacon and uncle poured cold water on the theory that the family were the victims of a robbery gone wrong.

"This is not a robbery, Ayed said. "We found all of the jewelry in the house. They didn't take anything."

The FBI confirmed it has been called in to help with the case.

Additional reporting by Heather Gilmore

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/38704.htm

Edited by Curious Infidel

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Salam Alaikum

He doesnt win arguments, thats the thing. He resorts to red dotting when he fears being made a fool. He lies lies lies, then red dots, but occasionally i did get a chance to make him look like a fool.

Salam Alaikum

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Salam Alaikum

Im guessing this is christian prince. Im happy, i made him look like a fool once, and he still insisted on his lies.

Salam Alaikum

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that still doesn't warrant murdering him or his family. what the hell is wrong with you? and you have the audacity to include "salam alaikum" in your vile post.

Edited by naaz_aneen

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Holy ... I cant believe this guy got killed!!!! I debated this guy MANY times on yahoo and paltalk!! I admit he was a [Edited Out] but yikes, he finally got what he ignited. No matter how much of an idiot he was, I still dont think he deserved to be killed, especially not his family.

May Allah forgive him

(salam)

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Anyways, this guy was still a nut though. I remember once I said the word "bible" on the mic and he went nuts on me. He started saying that I shouldn't put such a holy word in my dirty mouth (because i'm muslim). He would also go around calling the qur'an "the work of satan" and he'd call the prophet muhammad (pbuh) n evil pedophile (may god forgive him).

I remember last time I talked to him we did mubahila to see who is on the right path. I guess he lost :)

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Assalam Alaikum

Sad as it may be, such is the state of Muslims today. We profess much more than we abide. We got monsters bombing family restaurents, we have monsters strapping themselves with bombs and exploding at the Shrine of the Imams (as ajma3een) in the middle of innocent people, we have monsters who butcher over a debate/discussion because of insults like this case. All this is most astounding, but what is even more incredible is that instead of condemning what happened and staying aloof from such behaviors, we have Muslims that try to rationalize and justify it... Please someone awaken me from this nightmare.

Like my cousin always says "Shlon insan 3abd Lillah (SWT) yqun wahshi"?

(How can a human who worships Allah (SWT) be so monstruous?)

A most distressed and sorrowful Shiaboy

Edited by Shiaboy

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Well, unfortunately, the worste people on earth have always been the religious worshipping ones :)

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Assalam Alaikum

You mean those whose desires and self-love have blurred their vision to the extent that they wish to be Gods on earth? (astaghfurallah!)

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guys they are investigating the situation. No one knows WHO killed him yet and it was a family source who made the claim and that person could have been just a wacky as he was. Lets wait to see what the police find.

Edited by Al Majnoon

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(bismillah)

Assalam alaykum,

Yeah right. everything is a conspiracy

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CI.. lol, sometimes :P But with this.. if it was someone making muslims "look bad" or a so-called Muslim who commited such an atrocity.. what would you say if the religious equation was reversed.. You'd most probably say that "indeed these people are not Christian". Regardless of religion this brutal act was not an act of someone who has any blood running through their veins.

The Commander of the Faithful, Imam Ali (as) as I have mentioned in another thread has said, "we are all brothers, either brothers in Islam or brothers in humanity.."

If we want to take Muslims as examples of how to approach arguments and debates take our Prophet (pbuh) and his Progeny (as) as the best examples of Islam - not these warped insane individuals. Someone who gets into a blind fury cannot be "truly" practicing in a religion that preaches humbleness and humility.

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Curious infidel, you speak as though it was an open and shut case and you accuse muslims of said crime. Who the heck are you to judge anyway, furthermore, the person who killed this person's family is no more muslim then you are, so cut your [Edited Out] and don't try to associate murder of a family with islam, islam is innocent of this henious crime.

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