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(salam) my brethren and great sisters, today I've kept thinking about ''The Nation of Islam''. I could'nt stop thinking on why Malcolm X left The Nation of Islam and embraced the real Islam. So, I did some research and found some great differences between the real US and the real THEM:

1. COMPARISON: Islam & Farrakhanism ...............................

ISLAM, and so-called "NATION OF ISLAM," are two different religions. The

only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used by the

both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should be

called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator. The religion of

Elijah Muhammad and W.D. Fard died with their death because their

officially and popularly elected successor, W.D. Muhammad, integrated

the community with the Muslim community at-large, following the Qur'an

and Hadith of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) . Louis

Farrakhan joined W.D. Muhammad and gave his pledge of allegiance to him

after Elijah Muhammad's death; he later rebelled and broke his oath with

impunity, or without paying any expiation, and restarted "The Nation of

Islam."

2. - God/Allah Alone ..............................................

ISLAM: One Unique, never appeared in any physical form; hence, no

physical representation is possible. He is recognized through his 99

names.

FARRAKHANISM: "...Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard

Muhammad, July 1930; the long awaited 'Messiah' of the Christians and

the 'Mahdi' of the Muslims."

3. - Prophet/Messenger ............................................

ISLAM: Muhammad (pbuh) is the last Prophet and the last Messenger. No

messenger or prophet will come after Muhammad (pbuh).

FARRAKHANISM: Elijah Muhammad was a "Messenger of Allah." Are there any

more messengers or prophets to come? Not clear.

4. - Last Day/Life Hereafter ......................................

ISLAM: The life on earth as we know it will come to an end; it will be

followed by the life hereafter which includes physical resurrection of

the entire humankind, judgement and the life of paradise or hell.

FARRAKHANISM: "...BELIEVE in the resurrection of the dead - not in

physical resurrection, but in mental resurrection." "No already

physically dead person will be in the Hereafter; that is slavery belief,

taught to slaves to keep them under control." "When you are dead, you

are DEAD."

5. - The Qur'an ...................................................

ISLAM: It was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (S) between 610 and 632 C.E.

It is the last revelation of Allah to mankind.

FARRAKHANISM: Contradictory beliefs. On one side, "...BELIEVE in the

Holy Qur'an and in the scriptures of all the Prophets of God," and on

the other side, "We, the original nation of the earth ... are the

writers of the Bible and Qur'an. We make such history once every 25,000

years ... it is done by twenty-four of our scientists." "Both the

present Bible and the Holy Qur'an must soon give way to the Holy

Book... :huh: :huh: :huh: "

6. - The Bible ....................................................

ISLAM: It was revealed to prophets and messengers from Moses (as) to Jesus (as) but was corrupted. Authenticity of statements in the

Bible are judged by the Qur'an.

FARRAKHANISM: (See their beliefs above regarding the Qur'an)

7. - Shahadah .....................................................

ISLAM: It means what it says, that is, Allah is Unseen, He is the

Creator, the Sustainer. Mankind is accountable to Him Alone, and Prophet

Muhammad (pbuh) of Arabia is the final and ultimate ROLE MODEL; no one can

substitute for him.

FARRAKHANISM: A cover up to deceive gullible Muslims. "Allah (God)

appeared in the person of Master W. Fard Muhammad," and Muhammad of

Arabia (pbuh) was one of the prophets, not a role model for our times. The

real role model and lawgiver for our times is Elijah Muhammad.

8. - Salah ........................................................

ISLAM: Five times a day is required; SALAH (prayer) includes QIYAM

(standing), RUKU' (bowing), SAJDA (prostration), JALSA (sitting on the

floor) and recitations.

FARRAKHANISM: No five times daily SALAH (prayer); prayer, when done has

no RUKU' or SAJDA. Friday is a major congregational prayer day, not for

SALAH, but to say DU'A and to listen to a Minister.

9. - Zakah ........................................................

ISLAM: Required on accumulated wealth after having in possession for one

year above the NISAB (certain limits), as defined in SHARI'A (Islamic

law).

FARRAKHANISM: It is a tax as "poor due" on income, similar to income

tax. Who benefits?

10. - Sawm .........................................................

ISLAM: Fasting is required in the month of Ramadan, ninth month of

Islamic calendar.

FARRAKHANISM: Fasting is required in December only. Fasting in the month

of Ramadan is optional.

11. - Hajj .........................................................

ISLAM: Required once in a lifetime if conditions of finances, health,

and safety of travel are met.

FARRAKHANISM: No Hajj requirement. Farrakhan and his cronies take trips

to Saudi Arabia, and by the way, to Makkah for the main purpose of image

building and to raise funds from gullible rich Arabs.

12. - Lawful (halal); Unlawful (haram) .............................

ISLAM: Determined by Allah, the God Alone, announced in the Qur'an or by

the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) , recorded in the authentic Hadith sources.

FARRAKHANISM: Determined by W.D. Fard and announced by Elijah Muhammad.

The Qur'an and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) have no relevance nor authority with

regard to lawful and unlawful.

13. - Authentic Hadith .............................................

ISLAM: An indispensable source of Islamic beliefs and practices, the

only source after the Qur'an. Indispensable for the understanding of the

Qur'an itself.

FARRAKHANISM: Ignored, if not totally rejected by Farrakhanis. However,

the leadership, including Farrakhan himself, may invoke Hadith if it

suits their purpose to fool gullible Muslims.

[ -- M. Amir Ali, Ph.D. References for Farrakhanism quotes are given in

the author's article: ISLAM OR FARRAKHANISM. ]

AL-HAJJ MALIK EL-SHABAZZ: MALCOM X .............................

Twenty-five years after his death, Malcolm X, Al-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz,

still towers above the statue of liberty. He refuses to die. Wherever

injustice and oppression takes place, his smiling face and

uncompromising message fill the atmosphere.

Yes, they killed the body but not the spirit. When he was alive, Brother

Shabazz was the most feared man in America. And, the most loved. The

situation hasn't changed.

For the deprived and the oppressed African-Americans, Brother Shabazz

continues to be the hero, the inspiration that makes it possible for

them to maintain their sanity and dignity in a vile society which can't

stop despising them.

We, as Muslims, are often angered to see Br. Shabazz identified as a

Black Nationalist rather than a Muslim. While the anger is justified, we

must understand that people generally emphasize the aspect of a leader's

life which is in harmony with their own aspirations. While some

African-Americans will continue to invoke the nationalist side of Br.

Shabazz, it is for us to see that his Islamic personality is projected

to the world!

His Pilgrimage to Makkah .......................................

When he was in Makkah, Al-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz wrote a letter to his

loyal assistants in Harlem... from his heart:

"Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and overwhelming spirit

of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races

here in this ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammad and all

the other Prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have

been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see

displayed all around me by people of all colors.

"I have been blessed to visit the Holy City of Mecca, I have made my

seven circuits around the Ka'ba, led by a young Mutawaf named Muhammad,

I drank water from the well of the Zam Zam. I ran seven times back and

forth between the hills of Mt. Al-Safa and Al Marwah. I have prayed in

the ancient city of Mina, and I have prayed on Mt. Arafat.

"There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They

were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans.

But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of

unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to

believe never could exist between the white and non-white.

"America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion

that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in

the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who

in America would have been considered white - but the white attitude was

removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before

seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together,

irrespective of their color.

"You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this

pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to

rearrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside

some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me.

Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face

facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new

knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is

necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form

of intelligent search for truth.

"During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from

the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept on the same rug -

while praying to the same God - with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the

bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was

the whitest of white. And in the words and in the deeds of the white

Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African

Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan and Ghana.

"We were truly all the same (brothers) - because their belief in one God

had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior,

and the white from their attitude.

"I could see from this, that perhaps if white Americans could accept the

Oneness of God, then perhaps, too, they could accept in reality the

Oneness of Man - and cease to measure, and hinder, and harm others in

terms of their 'differences' in color.

"With racism plaguing America like an incurable cancer, the so-called

'Christian' white American heart should be more receptive to a proven

solution to such a destructive problem. Perhaps it could be in time to

save America from imminent disaster - the same destruction brought upon

Germany by racism that eventually destroyed the Germans themselves.

"Each hour here in the Holy Land enables me to have greater spiritual

insights into what is happening in America between black and white. The

American Negro never can be blamed for his racial animosities - he is

only reacting to four hundred years of the conscious racism of the

American whites. But as racism leads America up the suicide path, I do

believe, from the experiences that I have had with them, that the whites

of the younger generation, in the colleges and universities, will see

the handwriting on the walls and many of them will turn to the spiritual

path of truth - the only way left to America to ward off the disaster

that racism inevitably must lead to.

"Never have I been so highly honored. Never have I been made to feel

more humble and unworthy. Who would believe the blessings that have been

heaped upon an American Negro? A few nights ago, a man who would be

called in America a white man, a United Nations diplomat, an ambassador,

a companion of kings, gave me his hotel suite, his bed. Never would I

have even thought of dreaming that I would ever be a recipient of such

honors - honors that in America would be bestowed upon a King - not a

Negro.

"All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of all the Worlds.

"Sincerely,

"Al-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz" (Malcolm X) (From the AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF

MALCOLM X with assistance from Alex Haley, the author of ROOTS)

The legacy of Malcolm X is the real Islam taught to us by the Prophet

Muhammad of Arabia, not the racist cult of the "Nation of Islam,"

presently lead by Louis Farrakhan and others who branched out of the old

following of Elijah Muhammad. However, Elijah's son, Wallace D.

Muhammad, now known as Imam Warith Deen Muhammad, moved away from his

father's religion. He is coming to the real Islam adopted by Malik

Shabazz for which Malcolm was assassinated. Malik Shabazz shall be

remembered by all Muslims as a martyr for the cause of Allah Inshallah.

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This may still be an appropriate critique of the five percenters and their sympathizers, but the NOI and Minister Farakhan have been making great strides toward orthodxy in the last several years. I think we owe them our welcome rather than our disdain. They still have a long way to go and as I can tell you from knowledge at the local level there are still many backward 5% minded people in the NOI itself, there are a lot of good brothers working towards a purer Islam. If I as a white person can let bye gones be bye gones, I fail to see why others here should not likewise.

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Kuffarakhan had repeatedly taken Shahada and then gone back to his former teachings and NOI Doctrine, he did so just before he took Hajj in Makkah and then returned and taught the same rubbish he normally does. Check out their official website www.noi.org, and you'll see it's clear he has no interest in coming into "Orthodox" Islam.

I'm not sure whether Imam Warithuddin Mohammed (Elijah's Son) should be considered a Muslim, I've heard differing opinions on him by many Scholars.

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(salam) my brethren and great sisters, today I've kept thinking about ''The Nation of Islam''. I could'nt stop thinking on why Malcolm X leaved The Nation of Islam and embraced the real Islam. So, I did some research and found some great differences between the real US and the real THEM:

"Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and overwhelming spirit

of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races

here in this ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammad and all

the other Prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have

been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see

displayed all around me by people of all colors."

"There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They

were of all colors, from blue-eyed blondes to black-skinned Africans.

But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of

unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to

believe never could exist between the white and non-white."

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Exactly. It was because Malcolm X realized the need to do some REAL soul-searching and find out the essence of true Islam and reject the garbage NOI was teaching him that he came back to America as a transformed revolutionary. In the early years of the American civil rights movement, X's focus was fixated too much upon the racial issue in the States and as long as he was affiliated with NOI, he could never see past the fact that not all whites were bad. Islam taught him that all men are brothers regardless of colour.

Kuffarakhan had repeatedly taken Shahada and then gone back to his former teachings and NOI Doctrine, he did so just before he took Hajj in Makkah and then returned and taught the same rubbish he normally does.

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Kuffarakhan! :lol:

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Kuffarakhan, that's a :!!!: :!!!: :!!!: word :!!!:

Well, What I posted regarding NOI, is plain and simple, they are not the moslems people think they are, and regarding SadrasStudent: you're right, there are many good and wise brothers in the NOI, but I pray that Allah (SWT) will guide them to the right path, like our brother Malcolm X, by Allah I love that man :angel:

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Kuffarakhan had repeatedly taken Shahada and then gone back to his former teachings and NOI Doctrine, he did so just before he took Hajj in Makkah and then returned and taught the same rubbish he normally does. Check out their official website www.noi.org, and you'll see it's clear he has no interest in coming into "Orthodox" Islam.

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(salam)

I agree.

"They have made their oaths a screen (for their misdeeds): thus they obstruct (men) from the Path of Allah: truly evil are their deeds. That is because they believed, then they rejected Faith: So a seal was set on their hearts: therefore they understand not."

Surah al-Munafiqun 63: 2-3

If the man truly accepted Islam, then he would cease being at the helm of the NOI, disband it, and humble himself by joining and encouraging his followers to join true Islam.

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ISLAM, and so-called "NATION OF ISLAM," are two different religions. The

only thing common between them is the jargon, the language used by the

both. "The Nation of Islam" is a misnomer; this religion should be

called Farrakhanism, after the name of its propagator

Then going by your logic, shouldnt Islam be called "Mohhamadanism"?

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Kuffarakhan had repeatedly taken Shahada and then gone back to his former teachings and NOI Doctrine, he did so just before he took Hajj in Makkah and then returned and taught the same rubbish he normally does. Check out their official website www.noi.org, and you'll see it's clear he has no interest in coming into "Orthodox" Islam.

I'm not sure whether Imam Warithuddin Mohammed (Elijah's Son) should be considered a Muslim, I've heard differing opinions on him by many Scholars.

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Wa Salaam,

I don't adhere to Warith Deen Muhammad's teachings but I don't think many scholars have enough knowledge of the context within which Islam developed in the West, especially the U.S., to say or question whether Warith Deen Muhammad is a Muslim or not. Nor do they have a clear understanding of the mentalities he was dealing with when he took the reins of the "First Resurrection" upon the death of his father. As long as a person declares belief in Allah, without partners or form, and they believe in the finality of the Prophet's (SAW) message, the Qur'an as the book and guide of the Muslims and the life hereafter then they are Muslim. That is the bare essential. All else is matter of differences between schools. Warith Deen Muhammad has a shaykh whom he follows and should be respected as an elder of the Muslims in the West. That is not to say that he hasn't been off base in the past but he has been more on point than off. Only Allah can judge what the man's aqeedah is.

As far as the NOI goes, no one can declare members of the NOI as non-Muslims because the NOI is not a spiritually based organization. Because this is so, many members of the NOI do not necessarily believe in the 12 points as exemplified in the Final Call which is a take off of the old Muhammad Speaks newspaper. To declare takfeer on the whole organization is dangerous as you may inadvertantly declare something to be when it may not be so. Although, I do not respect what Louis Farrakhan has done with the NOI as far as removing the old junk out of the newspaper and their other publications and ceasing with it in public, no other organization has helped so many young African Americans get oof of drugs, get employed, etc. than the Nation and this includes both Sunni and Shia alike. Before we point fingers, what have we done to better the community.

I really do wish El Hajj Malik Shabazz (may Allah elevate his station) were here so he could help inspire and organize Muslims and persons of African descent in the West. What a formidable opponent that would have brought to the table? May Allah allow his memory to be cherished.

Wa Salaam,

Djibril

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Although, I do not respect what Louis Farrakhan has done with the NOI as far as removing the old junk out of the newspaper and their other publications and ceasing with it in public, no other organization has helped so many young African Americans get oof of drugs, get employed, etc. than the Nation and this includes both Sunni and Shia alike. Before we point fingers, what have we done to better the community.

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I understand your point but it does not matter what such an organization does, even if it is good. Such things were not for the sake of Allah SWT. It was to gain money and power.

As to Farrakhan, he is not ignorant of what true Islam is. He has read the Qur'an; he has the internet. If the man had any sincerity in him he would disband the NOI since it was extablished on kufr and he would teach his followers the truth. I have nothing against the members of the NOI; I feel sorry for them because it's such a shame to be deceived, being that I know people who had gone through the Nation before they became Muslim. It's almost the same way I see Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthman -- they knew what the deal was but they decided to take power over truth.

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In my opinion Mr. Farrakhan is attempting to spread Islam in his own method.

Sure, at the moment we can find many contradictions to orthodox Islam within the NOI, but maybe this is the method Farrakhan is using to eventually bring them to Islam rather than rush it onto them. This method might not be the one you and I would use, but if he feels he's thats the right thing then its up to him.

However, we cant judge a person and we dont know his intentions. May Allah guide us all.

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Louis Farakhan has nothing to do with Islam. He believes Elijah Muhammad is a Prophet, he also believes Blacks are better than all other races. He has said sevral times that Blacks are the Masters of Civilazation and that Whites are filthy animals that crawl on the caves of Europe.

As a White Muslim I find this very very offensive. How can we spread Islam to other White People when even "Orthodox" Muslims are saying we should embrace him. We should condem him always. If a White Person is looking into Islam and sees non-White Muslims embracing Farakhan who calls White People Animals, then that will make a White Person feel not Welcomed to Islam. I still can't believe that even some of the Shia Brothers and Sisters put their support behind this man.

Islam should build bridges between Whites and Blacks, expecially between White Muslims and Black Muslims, when you throw Farakhan in the Mix it builds bombs and bullets between White Muslims and Black Muslims.

I find Black People who embrace real Islam, are some of the most pious Muslims I have ever met. We should promote Unity and Understanding with these People, not with Farakhan and his gang of thugs.

Please Remember the teachings of Al-Shaheed Al-Hajji Malik Al-Shabazz in his final days and not the teachings of Louis Farakhan.

Wa'Salaam

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Allah (SWT) is the only one who can bring a person to Islam. Elijah Muhammad popularised Islam to an extent unprecedented in the 20th century and so did Louis Farrakhan.

The heteredox teachings of these people are devices which have brought millions of people into our ummah. The overwhelming majority of those initially influenced by these people eventually become Sunni (including Malcolm X and Warithuddin Mohammed and Akbar Muhammad the sons of Elijah Muhammad).

I won't be trashing these people unless, by Allah's permission, I too bring millions of people to Islam.

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i think very few you have had any contact with a NOI member. for one thing they DO NOT hang around muslims. And the common misconception about NOI and islam in prison being one and the same is again foolish. Even in prisons there is a clear separation between the MUSLIMS, the NOI, and the "moors." Anyone who converts choses one or the other. its not some sort of a mutual membership. More importantly if any of you have dealth with NOI you will quickly come to realize that these people quote the bible FARRRRRRRRRR more than they do the Qu'ran. They are more christian than they are muslim.

On top of that, for those of you who try to defend these guys. tell me, what then is the difference between NOI and the ahmadiya/qadiani? if you DO NOT acknowledge Muhammad (pbuh) as a prophet, or claim as these guys do that their founders are "muhammad," you are NOT a muslim.

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for those of you who try to defend these guys. tell me, what then is the difference between NOI and the ahmadiya/qadiani?

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First of all I don't consider myself as defending them. I just don't want to attack them. I don't want to attack Ahmadis either for that matter.

However, seeing as you asked a question, one glaring difference between these two groups is the religious backgrounds of the people their founders tried to recruit - know what I mean? To try and make it clearer: one was based in the area now known as Pakistan, the other in America.

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I don't see how anyone can have a positive view of Farrakhan. It's all speculation that he might be trying to bring his people to the truth. What proof do any of you have? But it is evident by his actions and what he has done that he enjoys his power and is continuing to deceive his people. And the Ai'imma have taught us that when we live in an unjust society to not trust anyone unless they prove themselves.

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Wa Salaam,

It has nothing to do with defending the NOI but I'm not up for anyone stereotyping every member because I know it's not true across the board. There are many members of the NOI who make salat and pray to Allah (SWT) without problems with their basic aqeedah. However, many of these people stayed with the Nation because no one else has come to the forefront to do as much for African Americans. Believe it or not, many African Americans don't necessarily want to hear deen preached by someone in a turban (and I'm not knocking anyone but we have a different culture) and thawb, right off. And the ones who really need this deen the most are in areas where people are too cute or don't want to be seen with the "unrighteous" (But it's okay for Muslims to sell these folks alcohol & swine and even slang dope in the back of the store. Sorry, another thread and I was about to go off in a tangent.) The NOI gets in the areas where people are too cute to go and try to clean people up. They take the wife beater, drug dealer, drug user and mold them into productive citizens again. You may not agree with the method but I have known some of the most parasitic, psycopaths go thru the NOI and just change. They go to the "crack houses". They go to the "strip clubs". They hang outside the clubs. Armed only with a newspaper (whose 12 points are off in some areas but for world news reporting, is probably one of the best), maybe some incense, maybe some oils, and maybe some decent food. Some of the people they are trying to get through too wouldn't smell good, at all, if it weren't the NOI selling oils. Some of these folks wouldn't get halfway decent food if the NOI wasn't hanging around selling bean pies and sometimes sandwiches with drinks. That was the NOI I know and any progressive Muslim movement in the U.S. that has any wherewithal such as Siraaj Wahaj, uses the old NOI tactics to spread and propagate deen.

And I'm not saying Farrakhan is beyond reproach. In fact, I don't respect him for reasons outside of this. Yes, he is a manipulator. Yes, he's corrupt. And so much more but those who fall under his umbrella, be real careful before you pronounce them kaffir. Be real careful.

And as far as the thing about their views on white Muslims. They don't have a problem with "White Muslims". It's the "white attittude" that people bring to the table. The feeling of superiority that people bring to the table. The inherent feeling that some have that just because "I'm white (or on a broader scale, non-black), I must know what I'm talking about" or the way some folks from overseas look at brothers in the prayer lines and don't want to get next to them, really. Granted those old NOI teachings were/are wrong but when they first came out, you probably wouldn't realize how much it helped Africans all over the Diaspora get some self esteem back. Especially when you consider the names we were called and the incredible injustices done to us and still continue to be committed. Those old teachings made it okay for a black man to be a black man and not be afraid of anybody or anyone. Those old teachings had an extremely profound psychological affect on people. And it made people who used racism as a means of control & oppresion realize that maybe "I might need to be careful on how I approach these people, now. They may retaliate."

There's not many Sunni African American imams or African American Shi'i imams in the U.S. who didn't come out of the "First Resurrection". I knew one who used to be the Proctor of the "University of the Islam" under Elijah. I knew Khalid Muhammad. I know many old school cats from the old NOI. Some of them men who brought me up as a young Muslim had been with Elijah since the 30s & 40s. I came through that, myself. I thank Allah that he blessed me with the insight to let it be. So I know what the beliefs (the lessons) were, then transformed too, and are today. Farrakhan's NOI is slowly fading away. He knows that. That's why he's allowed Warith Deen Muhammad to send people to NOI mosques to teach people how to make salat. That's why they are beginning to learn Islam and the proper Islamic fundamentals. They won't pump that but that's what's happening (but you have to read their newspaper to know that or still be good friends with those still in or read the Muslim Journal).

And as far as the relationship betyween the NOI and the Ahmadiyya, that's not hard to understand. The Ahmadiyya were the foremost in promoting Islam in the West before conversions became vogue. When the NOI began, the only Qur'an that could be bought anywhere was the Ahmadiyya translation. The Ahmadiyya began the first "modern" Islamic community in the U.S. It was started in Detroit back in the 20s. They taught African Americans to read and write Arabic until they became fluent. That's why you have some African Americans who are sometimes 3rd generation Muslim. The Ahmadiyya had a profound influence on jazz, r& b, etc. And I'm not defending them either. But I will say this, the Muslims of America go to their respective masjids and enjoy whatever rights they do have off the backs of the Ahmadiyya and other "fringe" groups such as the "Moors". These people paved the way for pure Islam to come in. Not defending them but be real careful with blanket statements. If the old NOI didn't press the issue of eating halal in the prisons back in the day do you think it would even be considered now? In some prisons, the Muslims are given halal but it's based off the sacrifice of cats who were of the old NOI and other "fringe" groups. Allah uses whom he wills to get his message to the people he needs to get his message to. People go through these various phases as means of refinement and perfection so that when they get to the truth they will be able to box the [Edited Out] out of anyone else who misleads. And since I do know many of these folks, I will say again without hesitation, be real careful before you starting pronouncing people as kaffir. Just because they belong to a particular movement does not necessarily define who they really are. There were Shi'a who belonged to the original Muslim Brotherhood. They joined because there weren't any Shi'a groups doing anything. Did that make them Sunni? No! They were still Shi'a but they were tired of doing nothing. There are Shi'a with the PLO? Are they Sunni? No! Are they nationalist? Most aren't but tired of the oppression. And get this.....they are Shi'a! The matryr, Muhammad Baqir Sadr, (ra) in his youth belonged to various nationalistic & even Sunni groups because the Shi'i Muslims weren't doing anything. The same thing here. Many people are still tied in with the NOI, "the Moors", etc. because they are seen as doing something within African American communities. They have a structure. A plan. They have something. This mainly holds true in the major cities and the "Moors" are mainly seen in Baltimore, DC, and even Atlanta (not as much as the other two). I know of a brother who was a Shi'i imam who used to do joint events regarding cleaning the communites of drugs, etc. with the NOI because he could get his message across to a broader spectrum of people and perhaps even get through, on the sly, to some NOI cats. This is the 21st Century. You better use all of the tools, resources, aids, and props you can to get this message of Ahlul Bayt (as) to a people who are fertile ground for the Aal-e-Muhammad (as). You will never be able to reach a number of people if you generalize & stereotype people across the board. Of all people, Shi'a should know this. How many times do we get classified as ghulat or rafidi or as kaffir because people are ignorant of what we really believe or take out of context what we believe? Don't do the same with others, is what I'm saying.

Wa Salaam,

Bro. Djibril

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".... - God/Allah Alone ..............................................

ISLAM: One Unique, never appeared in any physical form; hence, no

physical representation is possible. He is recognized through his 99

names..."

[FOR THE SHIA IMAMI ISMAILI MUSLIMS ONLY]

NOORUM MUBIN

From the aforesaid verse 3 of chapter Az-Zukhruf (43) and verse 44 of Chapter Ha-Mim (41), it is clear that whatever the language says - it is that and with this taking into account verse 59 of Chapter An-Nissa (4) and all other verses where God is referred to as He, Him, His in the Quran - it is clear that Allah is a human being because if Allah was not a human being then to address Himself, He would have created a special wording instead of "He, Him and His" and used only that special wording while addressing Himself and He is capable of everything and further the wordings "He, Him and His" is addressed to something that is physically visible. Certainly God knows what He is saying - At least Allah has understood Himself and all the spiritual concept including His eternal self and only after this He is giving the message inasmuch as Quran reveals:

Yunus-10

95) and do not join those who deny the revelations of Allah; otherwise you will become one of the losers.

After getting the knowledge and then denying Allah as a human being is nothing but conjecture/fancy and Quran reveals:

Yunus - 10

36) But most of them follow nothing but conjecture: truly conjecture can be of no avail against Truth. Verily Allah is well aware of all that they do.

and one of the messages of the Quran is one should not dispute to what Allah says and since it is Allah who knows :

Al-Imran, or the Family of Imran (III)

66) Ah! Ye are those who fell to disputing (even) in matters of which ye had some Knowledge! But why dispute ye in matters of which ye have no knowledge? It is Allah who knows, and ye who know not!

It is also significant to note that Quran reveals:

Qaf - 50

38) We created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in six days nor did any sense of weariness touch Us.

Quran reveals that the heavens and the earth and all that is between them is His creation. It is thus clear that the heavens, the earth, the sun, the moon, the space, the trees, the rivers, the ocean, the animals, ordinary human beings others then Him, the birds, the angels, the air, etc. are all His creations and hence calling on all such things other then Him is nothing but calling upon created things or beings inasmuch as Quran reveals:

Al-Araf, or The Heights - 7 [Translation]

194) Verily those whom ye call upon besides Allah are servant like unto you: Call upon them, and let them listen to your prayer, if ye are (indeed) truthful!

195) Have they feet to walk with? Or hands to lay hold with? Or eyes to see with? Or ears to hear with? Say: "Call your `god-partners', scheme (your worst) against me, and give me no respite.

This aforesaid verses expresses that Allah listens to the prayers, has feet to walk with or hands to lay hold with or eyes to see with or ears to hear with. From the aforesaid verse, it appears that during the time of Prophet Muhammad there were people who used to call on those who were created things like themselves who could not listen to the prayers, who did not have feet to walk with or hands to lay hold with or eyes to see with or ears to hear with. It is to be noted that feet, hands, eyes, ears are actually parts of a body and not a fancy, concept, etc.

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HIS HIGHNESS PRINCE SHAH KARIM AL HUSSAINI AGAKHAN

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"...Prophet/Messenger ............................................

ISLAM: Muhammad is the last Prophet and the last Messenger. No

messenger or prophet will come after Muhammad .

Elijah Muhammad was a "Messenger of Allah." Are there any

more messengers or prophets to come? Not clear...."

I am in TOTAL agreement!

QUOTE(Bani Hashim @ Jan 30 2005, 03:26 PM)

"Muhammad was not the father of any man among you.

He was a messenger of God and the final prophet.

God is fully aware of all things." (The Noble Quran, 33:40)

This glorious verse tells us about Prophet Muhammad . We are told that he was a messenger of God and the Final prophet. The meaning of this verse was corrupted by many people so as to call Muhammad the last messenger and last prophet. It is clear that the verse speaks of Muhammad as 'a messenger' and not the 'last messenger' yet they still insist on this corrupted interpretation. This corruption in meaning is largely due to the ignorance of those people with the fact that Allah (SWT) makes a clear distinction in the Quran between the term 'messenger' and between the term 'prophet'.

We learn from the Quran that every prophet is also a messenger, but not every messenger is a prophet. Only prophets are sent with scripture to deliver. Thus, Jesus (Injeel), David (Psalms) and Muhammad (Quran) were among God's prophets because they delivered scripture. However, there are many more messengers sent by God to confirm existing scripture and to guide with God's leave to the straight path. As a result, the number of messengers far exeeds the number of prophets. Hence, it is not practical that God should list in the Quran the names of all the messengers:

"Messengers we have told you about, and messengers We never told you about........" (The Noble Quran, 4:164)

We are also told in the Quran that God sends to every nation a messenger:

"To each community, a messenger." (The Noble Quran, 10:47)

As a result, and in accordance with 33:40, Prophet Muhammad was NOT the last messenger. He was the last prophet, which means that there will be no scripture delivered after the Holy Noble Quran. And if you want more details about the difference between a prophet and a messeneger go to:

http://www.quran-islam.org/113.html

And may Allah (SWT) hasten the reappearance of A'li Muhammad

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"The Qur'an ...................................................

ISLAM: It was revealed to Prophet Muhammad (S) between 610 and 632 C.E.

It is the last revelation of Allah to mankind.

FARRAKHANISM: Contradictory beliefs. On one side, "...BELIEVE in the

Holy Qur'an and in the scriptures of all the Prophets of God," and on

the other side, "We, the original nation of the earth ... are the

writers of the Bible and Qur'an. We make such history once every 25,000

years ... it is done by twenty-four of our scientists." "Both the

present Bible and the Holy Qur'an must soon give way to the Holy

Book... "..."

In what way is this"contradictory"?

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Are you even aware of the meaning of this name?...

During the Hajj, the spiritual metamorphosis continued, as Malcolm X became El Hajj Malik Shabazz

http://www.icna.org/tm/shabazz2.htm

If this is true, Malcom HAD to know the meaning of the name, Shabazz.

"You might ask, who is this tribe of Shabazz? Originally, they were the tribe that came with the earth..." MR. ELIJAH MUHAMMAD(PBUH)

Now, it is widely reported that, Malcom changed his name, upon leaving the Nation of Islam and accepting so-called "orthodox" Islam. WHY DID HE CHOOSE THIS NAME?

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Peace,

Malcolm had that name prior to 1964, the year he formally resigned

from the NOI and the year he performed Hajj. He was issued a passport

of May 27, 1959 under the name Malik El-Shabazz, and traveled as

Elijah Muhammad's ambassador to Egypt, Saudi Arabia and several other

places. He had gotten ill and could not perform Hajj.

Malcolm got caught in a web of jealousy, and was seemingly targeted

by many members of the Messenger's family, many who turned on their

father's legacy soon after he died, and suspected agents like

National Secretary John Ali. That's why a turncoat like Wallace D

ended up as the Supreme Minister in February 1975 almost out of

nowhere. Just a bunch of nepotism.

Peace,

Lord Adeeb

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Allah is Unseen

Does this mean Allah can't be seen? NO!

"...He believes Elijah Muhammad is a Prophet..."

This is not true for, he claimed to be a "messenger", not a "prophet".

" true Islam"

what does this mean? Is it "true"because of what you believe?

"Then going by your logic, shouldnt Islam be called "Mohhamadanism"? "

"...As long as a person declares belief in Allah, without partners or form, and they believe in the finality of the Prophet's (SAW) message, the Qur'an as the book and guide of the Muslims and the life hereafter then they are Muslim. That is the bare essential. All else is matter of differences between schools...."

"...As far as the NOI goes, no one can declare members of the NOI as non-Muslims because the NOI is not a spiritually based organization. ..."

"... Before we point fingers, what have we done to better the community...."

"... He has said sevral times that Blacks are the Masters of Civilazation and that Whites are (SHOULD READ "WERE") filthy animals that crawl on the caves of Europe. ..."

some of which, can be proven.

"...I won't be trashing these people unless, by Allah's permission, I too bring millions of people to Islam."

"...if you DO NOT acknowledge Muhammad as a prophet..."

THIS IS NOT CORRECT!

FYI I AM NOT A FOLLOWER OF MR. FARRAKAN.

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You should note that considering anyone a messenger or a prophet or a rasool or a nabi, or anything of the like AFTER Prophet Muhammad is Kufr - that is to say, if you believe in a divinely appointed messenger after Prophet Muhammad - you are not Muslim.

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"...Prophet/Messenger ............................................

ISLAM: Muhammad is the last Prophet and the last Messenger. No

messenger or prophet will come after Muhammad .

Elijah Muhammad was a "Messenger of Allah." Are there any

more messengers or prophets to come? Not clear...."

I am in TOTAL agreement!

QUOTE(Bani Hashim @ Jan 30 2005, 03:26 PM)

"Muhammad was not the father of any man among you.

He was a messenger of God and the final prophet.

God is fully aware of all things." (The Noble Quran, 33:40)

This glorious verse tells us about Prophet Muhammad . We are told that he was a messenger of God and the Final prophet. The meaning of this verse was corrupted by many people so as to call Muhammad the last messenger and last prophet. It is clear that the verse speaks of Muhammad as 'a messenger' and not the 'last messenger' yet they still insist on this corrupted interpretation. This corruption in meaning is largely due to the ignorance of those people with the fact that Allah (SWT) makes a clear distinction in the Quran between the term 'messenger' and between the term 'prophet'.

We learn from the Quran that every prophet is also a messenger, but not every messenger is a prophet. Only prophets are sent with scripture to deliver. Thus, Jesus (Injeel), David (Psalms) and Muhammad (Quran) were among God's prophets because they delivered scripture. However, there are many more messengers sent by God to confirm existing scripture and to guide with God's leave to the straight path. As a result, the number of messengers far exeeds the number of prophets. Hence, it is not practical that God should list in the Quran the names of all the messengers:

"Messengers we have told you about, and messengers We never told you about........" (The Noble Quran, 4:164)

We are also told in the Quran that God sends to every nation a messenger:

"To each community, a messenger." (The Noble Quran, 10:47)

As a result, and in accordance with 33:40, Prophet Muhammad was NOT the last messenger. He was the last prophet, which means that there will be no scripture delivered after the Holy Noble Quran. And if you want more details about the difference between a prophet and a messeneger go to:

http://www.quran-islam.org/113.html

And may Allah (SWT) hasten the reappearance of A'li Muhammad

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Yes, I believe it is wholly incorrect. It was made very clear that Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet, and the Last Messenger. It seems very obvious that your entire argument is based upon the ENGLISH translation of the Quran, and that it has no merit or basis in reality.

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Yes, I believe it is wholly incorrect. It was made very clear that Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet, and the Last Messenger. It seems very obvious that your entire argument is based upon the ENGLISH translation of the Quran, and that it has no merit or basis in reality.

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Yes, I believe it is wholly incorrect. It was made very clear that Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet, and the Last Messenger. It seems very obvious that your entire argument is based upon the ENGLISH translation of the Quran, and that it has no merit or basis in reality.

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Please, your "proof".

If necceasry, tell me

the sura and verse of the Qur'an, that Prophet Muhammad was the last Prophet, and the Last Messenger., and I shall have someone who is very fluent in Arabic, translate it.

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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

PICKTHAL: Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.

SHAKIR: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.

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YUSUFALI: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

PICKTHAL: Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things.

SHAKIR: Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.

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Last of the PROPHETS not MESSENGERS.

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When the message to all mankind is completed and perfected what purpose is their in sending additional messengers?

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YUSUFALI: Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swineflesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animal) and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall and that killed by being smitten with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten, except what you slaughter, and what is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols) and that you divide by the arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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YUSUFALI: Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.

PICKTHAL: The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong). And whosoever of you is present, let him fast the month, and whosoever of you is sick or on a journey, (let him fast the same) number of other days. Allah desireth for you ease; He desireth not hardship for you; and (He desireth) that ye should complete the period, and that ye should magnify Allah for having guided you, and that peradventure ye may be thankful.

SHAKIR: The month of Ramazan is that in which the Quran was revealed, a guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance and the distinction; therefore whoever of you is present in the month, he shall fast therein, and whoever is sick or upon a journey, then (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days; Allah desires ease for you, and He does not desire for you difficulty, and (He desires) that you should complete the number and that you should exalt the greatness of Allah for His having guided you and that you may give thanks.

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When the message to all mankind is completed and perfected what purpose is their in sending additional messengers? 

005.003

YUSUFALI: Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

PICKTHAL: Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swineflesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

SHAKIR: Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled (animal) and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall and that killed by being smitten with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten, except what you slaughter, and what is sacrificed on stones set up (for idols) and that you divide by the arrows; that is a transgression. This day have those who disbelieve despaired of your religion, so fear them not, and fear Me. This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; but whoever is compelled by hunger, not inclining willfully to sin, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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YUSUFALI: Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.

PICKTHAL: The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong). And whosoever of you is present, let him fast the month, and whosoever of you is sick or on a journey, (let him fast the same) number of other days. Allah desireth for you ease; He desireth not hardship for you; and (He desireth) that ye should complete the period, and that ye should magnify Allah for having guided you, and that peradventure ye may be thankful.

SHAKIR: The month of Ramazan is that in which the Quran was revealed, a guidance to men and clear proofs of the guidance and the distinction; therefore whoever of you is present in the month, he shall fast therein, and whoever is sick or upon a journey, then (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days; Allah desires ease for you, and He does not desire for you difficulty, and (He desires) that you should complete the number and that you should exalt the greatness of Allah for His having guided you and that you may give thanks.

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DID THESE VERSES NOT APPLY TO THE PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED THE MESSAGE BEFORE THE ARABS?

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No, the religion was only perfected when humanity had received all revelations concerning it from god (swt), prior to the prophet mohammed (pbuh&hf) the message had not be finalsed and god (swt) instructed the prior prophets (pbut) and messagers (pbut) to let the people know that other messangers (pbut) and prophets (pbut) will be sent by god (swt) to continue the revelation of the message. The message to humanity was completed through the revelations to the prophet mohammed (pbuh&hf). neither prophet (pbuh&hf) (nor the quran) indicate that anymore prophets/messengers (pbut) will be sent, on the contrary it indicates that the message is now perfected and mohammed (pbuh&hf) is the seal of the prophets (pbut). Humanity can only look foreward to imams (leaders) (as) who will uphold the message but not add or detract from it.

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