Abu Lulu Killed Umar ...but why?

[Gypsy]

Abu lulu (Abu Looloo) killed Umar. But why?

This is what a brother told me in the chatroom

"Abu Lulu was a hard working man but 3umar ripped him off and cheated him"

Frankly, It just didn’t enter my mind to find out why Abu Lulu killed Umar. Anyone??? Please help....

[salmany]

sallam

After the battle of Nihawand, many Persians, men, women, and children were taken as captives by the Muslims. The captives were sold as slaves. One of these slaves was Firoz alias Abu Lulu. He was purchased by Mughirah Shu'bah the Governor of Basra. This Firoz was a craftsman, a carpenter, an iron smith and a painter. Umar did not allow non-Muslim adult captives to reside in Madina. Mughirah sought special permission for the residence of Firoz in Madina on the ground that as he was a skilled craftsman, he would be of service to the people. Umar gave the permission as a special case.

One day, Firoz waited on Umar and complained that the tax which his master Mughirah was exacting from him was too high. He wanted the Caliph to reduce the levy. Umar enquired what work did he do. He said that he worked as a carpenter, painter, and an ironsmith. He added that he could make windmills as well. Umar next enquired as to the amount of the tax that he was required to pay to his master. He said that he had to pay two dirhams a day. Umar said that keeping in view the lucrative nature of the jobs done by him, the levy of two dirhams a day was prima facie not excessive. Umar said that he would, however, write to Mughirah, and examine the question further in the light of what Mughirah said. That did not satisfy Firoz, and he went away sulking.

Umar wrote to Mughirah, and in reply Mughirah quoted facts and figures to establish that what he took from his slave was by no means excessive. When Firoz called on Umar again, Umar explained to him that as the levy was not excessive, no reduction therein was called for that made Firoz angry. In order to humor Firoz, Umar said, "I understand you make windmills; make one for me as well." In a sullen mood, Firoz said, "Verily I will make such a mill for you, that the world would talk about it." As Firoz went away, the Caliph told the people around him that the Persian slave had threatened him.

There were Persian children slaves in Madina. Seeing them, Firoz would say, "You have been enslaved at such a tender age. This Umar sees eaten my heart. I will take his heart out". He made for himself a dagger with a very sharp edge and smeared it with poison.

On the 1st of November 644 A.D. at the time of the morning prayer, Firoz went with his dagger to the Prophet's mosque and hid himself in a corner in one of the recesses of the mosque. When the faithful stood for prayer after straightening the lines, and Umar took up his position as the Imam to lead the prayer, Firoz emerged from his place of hiding and rushed at Umar. Firoz struck Umar six consecutive blows with his dagger, and Umar fell on the floor profusely bleeding.

Other persons rushed at Firoz, but he had the fury and frenzy of a desperate man about him. He struck right and left, and thirteen Muslims were wounded, some of them fatally, before Firoz could be overpowered. At last realizing that he could not escape, Firoz stabbed himself to death with his own dagger.

sallam

[Peer]

I have heard and infact read somewhere a totally different thing, I'd try to find out the reference so that I could paste it in its real language....

ma'salama

[btw thats not good]

[hidrali]

omar had a rule that non-Arabs were not allowed to enter Madina. However, he relaxed the rule for one man only at the request of his friend Mughira bin Sho'iba, the governor of Kufa. The man in question was named Feroz nicknamed "Abu Lulua". He was not an Arab, but he was a good carpenter, blacksmith and engraver.

Abu Lulua was heavily taxed for the privilege of residing in Madina and asked omar to increase his allowance. omar refused and instead commissioned him to build a windmill for grinding grain.

Abu Lulua promised him that he would build him such a windmill that people would always talk about it. The way he said it made omar wonder whether he was being threatened and his fears proved correct.

A few days later Abu Lulua ambushed omar in the early hours of the morning and stabbed him in the stomach three times with a double-bladed dagger. One of these wounds was fatal and omar died three days.

[salmany]

sallam

thts wat i wrote

[Gypsy]

Wow..!! This is getting interesting. So basically Abu Lulu was unhappy with Umar and he killed him to exact his revenge.

Is this the only version of story?

I think I have heard few pro-Sunni people says that Abu Lulu was a Persian and Shia and he murdered the caliph because the caliph usurped Imam Ali’s right.

And I have heard few Shias praising Abu Lulu Actions.

I think he went too far by murdering Umar Al Khattab?

I don’t know everything about this incident. Still awaiting few more response ..if someone has something more to add.

[salmany]

sallam

oh well...even if he was shia or a supporter of hazrat Ali... Hazrat Ali and other companions didnt think abt doing this ... so he was an ignorant man..

sallam

[Gypsy]

..this was posted anonymously by a user

"Abu Lulua was heavily taxed, and thats all i know, and but the dagger in omars heart...and made for us farhat al zahra..when it is zul hijja month, 4 zul hija is the farhat celebrations. You know some say he was a non-muslim...then why did you heavily tax him. "

What is farhat Al Zahra?

[Abdulhujjah]

In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful

All praise is due to Allah Lord of the worlds

May Allah shower his blessings upon Muhammad and his Progeny and curse their enemies from the first to the last.

Salam@lai.com

He has a maqaam in Iran I heard, but I'm not sure....

"Nawzi shasteed...Nawzi shasteed abu lo lo...." Iranian chant

Wassalaam

[Peer]

LOL yeah, people even built a tomb over his grave ^_^

ma'salama

[zainabia]

Bismillah

Salam Alaikum

Umar also introduced a new law of state (bidah) i.e. "No arab can be taken as slave but remaining world can be made slave"

(Al-Farooq by Shibli Naumani with reference to Imam Shafii in Kazul Iman).

Furthermore, shibli Naumani quotes the opinion of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal

i.e.

I don't agree with opinion of Umar that (only) Arabs are free to be made slave

(Ref: Almuntaqa al-Akhbar by Ibne Taymiyyah).

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Was Salam.

[Orion]

Salam o Alekum,

I was under the impression that no non-Muslims are allowed in Mecca and Madina. So how did Umar allow Abu Lulu to enter or live in Madina? Was it another Biddah?

Also Br. salmany where did you get the story from, any ref.

Thanks

[zainabia]

Bismillah

Salam Alaikum

Abu Lolu Ferooz is not the only exception who got permission to enter Madina and Mecca.

Shibli Naumani further tried to prove in "Al-Farooq", page 378 (published by Maktaba Rahmania Lahore) that it is a sharai mistake to forbid non muslims to enter Mecca and Madiana.

And as his proof, he quoted the incidents of Umar.

For example, he quoted Allama Balazri in "Ashraful Ansab" that:

Umar asked him governer to send a Roman Christians to him in Madina in order to help him in keeping the records (or that area).

Then Shibli Naumani refered to "Kitabul Kharaj" of Imam Abu Yousuf who cited a lot of incidents that in times of Umar, non muslims used to go to Mecca and Madina without any problem and used to stay there as long as they liked.. (kitabul Khiraj page 78 and 79).

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Was Salam.

[salmany]

sallam

Its disgraceful he has any sort of maqaam...honestly speaking...

[Guest Shujaat]

Assalamu Aleikum,

[Message from Moderator: No offensive comments please]

Khuda Hafiz

Edited January 7, 2003 by Orion

[Abdulhujjah]

In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful

All praise is due to Allah Lord of the worlds

May Allah shower his blessings upon Muhammad and his Progeny and curse their enemies from the first to the last.

Salam@lai.com

Abu Lulu :angel: ended the reign of the second caliph....

But he began a bad sunnah....

Wassalaam

[salmany]

shujaat... mind what u say bro...

sallam

Edited January 7, 2003 by salmany

[shia4life]

Salam alaikum

Salmany brother, i have 2 question's for you:

Abu lulu was responsible for the murder of umar, what will happen to abu lulu?

Umar, on the other hand, was responsible for the murder of Lady Fatimah Al-Zahra A.S, so what will happen to him?

Brother even after you know what Umar did, yet you still love him, why?

Just remember one thing Fatimah Al-Zahra A.S was the prophet's daughter, the prophet will not be happy with what Umar did! U know this, but still you hail him.

By admitting what Umar did, you will not become a shia, like ive said in another post its more than that.

Salams

Ya Ali Madad!

[salmany]

sallam

i doubt umar stabbed hazrat fatima... abu lulu accordign to me is a kaffir:

yo lissen man if you people want to consider abu lulu a hero and one of hazrat Alis shias...feel free to..if you want to give him a maqam feel free to..atleast we have the satisfaction umar died while in the mosque ready to pray...

sallam

[salmany]

btw i wont post on this particular topic... maybe ill unintentionally say something very bad..

sallam

[haideriam]

asa

sorry brother salmany and restraint from the other brothers

it is not good to offend your muslim brother

he is not against references from reliable books, but no opinions please

be happy you have an honest brother amongst yourselves who is not trying to please you, me or himself

but Allah(swt) by researching, and may Allah(swt) guide him to the truth whatever it may be

ws

[shia4life]

Dear Salmany brother, i am sorry that i have upset you. What Abu lulu did was wrong, i agree with that. I just raised a similar point.

Neway bro, i hope you accept my apology.

Salams

Ya Ali Madad

[shia girl]

Umar, on the other hand, was responsible for the murder of Lady Fatimah Al-Zahra A.S, so what will happen to him?

Brother even after you know what Umar did, yet you still love him, why?

Just remember one thing Fatimah Al-Zahra A.S was the prophet's daughter, the prophet will not be happy with what Umar did! U know this, but still you hail him.

By admitting what Umar did, you will not become a shia, like ive said in another post its more than that.

Salamon 3alikom

I think what you said sis shia4life is just right.....

I mean why our sunni brothers and sisters LOVE the enemies of Ahulbayat?.......an question need an answer!!!

[shia4life]

Salam alaikum sister

By the way i am a brother, just thought i'd clarify that.

Your right an answer would help...

Salams

Ya Ali Madad!

[shia girl]

:) salamon 3alikom

Sorry brother shia 4 life for calling you a sister

[Ali187em]

sallam

Its disgraceful he has any sort of maqaam...honestly speaking...

salaam

i remember the first time i heard about this on a wahabi site,

i asked my parents then devout shia in my family and none of them had heard these chants etc.

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[salmany]

sallam

if you read the posts im sure you may notice some people may have actually considered him a "hero"...

sallam

[Abdulhujjah]

In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful

All praise is due to Allah Lord of the worlds

May Allah shower his blessings upon Muhammad and his Progeny and curse their enemies from the first to the last.

Salam@lai.com

Brother Salmany,

I find you more intelligent and understanding than to be fleeing from an argument, I'm glad you've returned. Please overlook certain comments we might say out of our emotions without realising your presence. I'm certain you know our true feelings towards the three caliphs, so excuse us when we say something that may offend, instead please bring it to our attention, ok habibi.

Look man, I've got plenty of abuse to look forward to in over two weeks, I'm going to Wahabiland!!! :!!!:

Wassalaam

[salmany]

sallam

brother i didnt flee i left because someone would make me say something bad. Just one question? Was abu lulu a good man for killing umar (ra)?

[Abdulhujjah]

In the name of Allah the Beneficent the Merciful

All praise is due to Allah Lord of the worlds

May Allah shower his blessings upon Muhammad and his Progeny and curse their enemies from the first to the last.

Salam@lai.com

Honestly brother Salmany, I've heard two versions, my friends say he was a shi'ite and a good man, but my father says he wasn't a good man in fact mughirah brought him into the picture and we arent fond of mughirah.

You cant be a good man just because you kill someone that the shiite dont like. You must be a good servant of Allah (SWT) to be considered a good man.

Wassalaam

[zereshk]

Dear all,

Personally, I feel happy that Omar was assasinated. It doesnt really matter who this abu lulu guy was.

My reasons:

"After Abu Bakr obtained Bay'at from the people (by sword and force), he sent Omar, Khaled ebne Waleed, Abu Obaydeh Jarraah, and a bunch of the other monaafgheen to Ali and Fatimah's house to get their Bay'at for Abu Bakr. Omar put firewood around the house. This is the same house that the Prophet pbuh had stood on its doorway and said: Assalamu alaikum yaa ahla baytel nubuwwah! (Salam to you oh household of Nabuwwah) and never entered the house without permission of Ali/Fatemah.

Omar set the house on fire. Pregnant Fatemah rushed to the door to block Omar and his gang. But Omar hit and pressed Fatimah so hard against the door that Fatimah's son became seqt (died in her) and the door's nail penetrated inside Fatemah's chest.

Fatemah cried: Oh Father! yaa rasulullah! See what misery (Museebat) the son of Khataab and the son of Abi Ghahaafah (Abu Bakr) have inflicted unto us- your progeny! :cry:

Omar ordered his men to beat Fatimah and thus she became majrooh."

Sunni references that narrate similar versions of the above account:

1. Masnad of Ahmad Hanbal vol3/259

2. Ensaab ul Ashraaf of Balaazheri 586/1

3. al'aqd ul fareed 13/5

4. Melal wa Nahl of Shahrestaani 57/1

5. Ethbaat ul Wathiyaah of Al Mas'udi 123/

6. Alwaafi belwafeeyaat 347/5

7. lesaan ul mizaan 268/1 (mentions that Omar kicked Fatimah so hard that baby Muhsen was killed inside her womb)

8. Al Imaamat wal Siyaasat Ebne Qutaybeh 19-20/1

Fatimah shortly after died while she was severely bitter and angry (Ghadhab) with Omar and Abu Bakr.

Sunni references mentioning this:

1. Sharh of Ebne Abi al Hadeed 50/6

2. Saheeh Al bukhaari 5th book /2

3. Masnad of Ahmad Hanbal 6/1

4. Sunan of Bayhaqi 300/6

5. Tabaqaat of Ebne Sa'd 18/8

6. Saheeh of Termedhi vol1 baab of maa jaa'a fee tarkate rasoolullah.

And finally consider the Hadith that says:

"Allah will be happy (yardhaa) when Fatimah is happy and will be bitter and angry (yagh-dhebo) when Fatimah is bitter."

Sunni ref:

1. Mustadrak Haakem 153/3

2. Asad ul Ghaabah of Ebne Atheer 522/5

3. Esaabah of Ebne Hajar 159/8

4. tahzeeb al tahzheeb 441/12

5. Kenz ul Emaal of Muttaqi 111/7

6. Dhahabi in mizaan ul e'tedaal 72/2

:cry: :cry: :cry:

I hope I didnt make any mistakes in copying down the numbers.

Edited January 11, 2003 by zereshk

[salmany]

sallam

Can you please site some more sources of how Hazrat Fatima was pregnant during the time? And if umar ordered people to beat her. Ive searched al-islam.org and i have not found anything like this. Also sunni references that narrate similar versions...tell me sunni versions that narrate exactly this particular version. Didnt any members of the ahly bait or their supporters help fatima knowing she was supposedly pregnant?

sallam

[zereshk]

salam,

1. All sources that I cited in my last post are Sunni. The 20 sources I cited above are all that I have at this moment. I do not know of any "more" sources.

2. About the janeen of Hadhrat Fatimah, in the first batch of links, I am pretty sure that sources 4,5,6, and 7 clearly mention her pregnancy. About the beating, I translated it directly.

3. The reason al-islam.org does not have these things as you claim can have two reasons:

a. I took the information posted in my last post directly out of a book at my disposal which I picked up during my last trip to Mash-had. I translated the passages myself. The book was written by Mughaatel ebne Atiyah during the 11th century (in Arabic) and is about a Sunni-Shia debate that took place in the court of the Seljuqian Sultan Malekshah. Al-Islam.org is not the ultimate source of info. One must look further.

b. Many Shias are reluctant to mention these things, even though they know it. Why withhold? Because to them Islamic unity is far more important than speaking out the ugly truth. Even Khomeini said "yaa ayyohal moslemoon...ettahedoo ettahedoo". However, once they discover and experience the ugly side of their sunni "brothers", like me, they suddenly come to their senses.

[salmany]

sallam

ill look up more info on this particular topic and then give an answer .

sallam

[salmany]

sallam

well a comment and a question. If abu lulu was a good shia which some shias beleive does that mean salman farsi (ra) ...abhu dhar (ra) ...etc were not good shias because they didnt advocate the killing of umar or try and attempt it?

Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Noble Quran, 25:68-69)"

O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty. (The Noble Quran, 2:178)"

Accordig to the above verse did abu lulu (LA) have the permission or the right to kill Umar (ra) ?

The (selfish) soul of the other Led him to the murder Of his brother: he murdered Him, and became (himself) One of the lost ones. (Quran)

sallam