Doctrine of Immamat

[Water Bird]

Link: Ahlul-thikri are Ahlulbate

So??

Sooooooooooooo??

Don't make me have a headache please. Talk sense. I didnt ask you to Prove the status of Ahl-al-Bait-e-Rasool (s.a.w), as we have proofs that the Principal Ahl-al-Bait-e-Rasool (s.a.w) are His-Purified-Wives, Ummahaat-al-Momineen.

WHAT ABOUT YOUR IMAMS??

WHERE DID THEY GO??

HELLLLLLLLLO, ANYBODY HOMEEEEEEEEE??

THIS IS DOCTRINE OF IMAMAT.

[poiuyt]

THIS IS DOCTRINE OF IMAMAT.

So hajjaj returns.....

You've been reported :D

[Water Bird]

Link:

But still if for a second we accept that..

any other meaning than that, the Quran would then contradict itself which is impossible..

but it is well know this aya was revealed for Ahlulbate

"(O Prophet) tell (people) I don't ask you any wage except to love my near kin. And if anyone earns any good We shall give Him an increase of good (in return for it)" (Quran 42:23).

It has been widely reported by the Sunni commentators of the Holy Quran that:

Ibn Abbas narrated: When the above verse (42:23) was revealed, the companions asked: "O' the Messenger of Allah! Who are those near kin whose love Allah has made obligatory for us?" Upon that the Prophet said: "Ali, Fatimah, and their two sons." He repeated this sentence thrice.

No reference. Only SUNNI COMMENTATORS.

GIVE ME THE SOURCE OF THIS HADITH.

EVEN

Our love is with them all, Alhamdu Lillah, but i want you to GIVE ME THE REFERENCE...THOUGH it will not help you in this matter.

THE REASON: Read my previous words again

Your Interpretation of Al-Mawaddah is wrong.

except to love my near kin is wrong translation.

But still if for a second we accept that than THIS DOESNT MEAN THAT WE MAKE (regard as) THEM INFALLIBLE IMAMS TO SHOW OUR LOVE.

[Water Bird]

Link: Also Shafi says in his poetry the Quran has made obligatory love towards Ahlulbate

POETRY??

What YOU think i m here to listen to Poetry??

Anyways i have given the answer in the previous post, and i repeat.

NO DOUBT IN LOVING AND RESPECTING AHL-AL-BAIT, but To Muslims Ahl-al-Bait includes basically the Wives of Prophet (s.a.w) and then not only Fatima (R.A) but other Two Daughters of the Prophet (s.a.w) as well, his sons, AND THEN SPECIALLY INCLUDED (the hadith where the Prophet covered them all under his cloack) Hadhrat Ali, Hassan, Hussain (R.A.A), and Abbas (R.A), Aqil (R.A) and others. (wAllahu Alam)

and also if u look at the ayas concerning ahlul-thikri  you'll see theres in a connection to wahya.. all men sent before received wahya thus people should seek ahlul-thikri  for knowledge because they are the staying place of the message

Where are PROOFS??

VERSES, and not only verses, CLEAR VERSES.

Just show me a SINGLE clear verse to prove your imamat.

(Read the following verse with your open eyes.)

Surah 3. Al 'Imraan - Ayah 7

It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book.

In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book

[and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkâm (commandments, etc.), Al-Farâ'id (obligatory duties)

and Al-Hudud (legal laws)]; and others not entirely clear.

So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth)

they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof,

seeking Al-Fitnah, and seeking for its hidden meanings,

but none knows its hidden meanings save Allâh.

And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say:

"We believe in it; the whole of it is from our Lord."

And none receive admonition except men of understanding.

[Water Bird]

Smart01: May i dare to answer on behalf of my sunni brothers, may i Brother Link ....

They simply say NO to what we put forward; rather than giving reason for not accepting it. There are two sources for COMPLETE GUIDANCE (on which shia-sunni agrees) Quran and Hadis

The problem with hadiths is that your hadiths we dont accept and same is true for you, so only Quran is left between us.

We have been asked to quote Only Quran, and only those verse which are Clear to our Brothers (sunni brothers).

Reason is simple that WE ARE BELIEVERS IN QURAN.

SEE THIS.

Surah 3. Al 'Imraan - Ayah 7

It is He Who has sent down to you (Muhammad SAW) the Book.

In it are Verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book

[and those are the Verses of Al-Ahkâm (commandments, etc.), Al-Farâ'id (obligatory duties)

and Al-Hudud (legal laws)]; and others not entirely clear.

So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation (from the truth)

they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof,

seeking Al-Fitnah, and seeking for its hidden meanings,

but none knows its hidden meanings save Allâh.

And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say:

"We believe in it; the whole of it is from our Lord."

And none receive admonition except men of understanding.

And the way they are progressing I guess some day they gonna ask please do not quote this, this and this verse for example 33:33 to prove infallibility, ayah Mubhaila to prove that Ahl e Bayt are Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Hussain , ayah Muwadah to prove that Love of Ahl e Bayt is Wajib on us. And then they will ask to prove that Shia are right  right

At least put the QUOTE to support the above view.

[rahat]

Link

Does the Doctrine of Imamate in Shism has such a weak foundation and base that one has to refer to hadiths inorder to understand its significence and concept?Do you need hadiths to understand the importance and concept of Tawhid, Ma'ad(Day of Judgment) and Prophethood?

Are you calling the sayings of Prophet Muhammad weak?

You simply do not understand how important the hadith are, otherwise you wouldnt speak such rubbish.

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rahat

[Water Bird]

Rahat: Are you calling the sayings of Prophet Muhammad weak?

You simply do not understand how important the hadith are, otherwise you wouldnt speak such rubbish.

The point is that What you call your Hadith Collection in Kafi etc, we Reject as these hadiths DEFINE NEW DEFINITIONS, for example the Status and Definition of Infallible Imams.

We believe these hadiths in your kafi are falsely attribute to Ali (R.A) and others.

Same is with you, you dont accept hadith collection of Muslims.

And yes without hadiths Islam is not complete, but not your hadiths.

As your hadiths have a DIRECT-CLASH with Quran, for example your Doctrine of Imamat is no-where in Quran proven, only in your Kafi etc.

So in fact you shias are not believing in Quran but YOU BELIEVE IN KAFI etc.

SO ONLY QURAN IS LEFT BETWEEN US TO REFER.

[Hussain100]

Salaam

They simply say NO to what we put forward; rather than giving reason for not accepting it.

I do not have access to all the Sunni books being quoted by the Shias, but I did note the following:

In the arguments being put forward by the Shias is the interpretation given by At-Tabari about Ayah 42:23. Now, I have the full Tafseer at-Tabari with me, and I can assure my Shia brethren that he does not mention the Shia viewpoint in his Tafseer. If the Shias here think I am not saying the truth, then I can paste the full Tafseer of this Ayah for them.

If (as expected) they will say that there has been Tahreef in the Tafseer by later scholars, then I can investigate the matter further.

Thanks.

[Link]

What is Caliphs in the Quran?

I went through this already

k.. now who are the 12 Caliphs...

ma'asalama

[Link]

In my opinion

I'm telling you what Khalafs are according to the Quran.. yet your giving me your stupid opinion..

ma'asalama

[Link]

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 6.320

Narrated Ka'b bin Ujra:

It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! We know how to greet you, but how to invoke Allah for you?" The Prophet said, "Say: O Allah! Send your blessings/greetings (Salawat) on Muhammad and his family, the same way as You sent Your blessings/greetings on Abraham's family. You are indeed worthy of all praise, full of glory.'"

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 6.321

Narrated Abu Said al-Khudri:

We said, "O Allah's Apostle! (We know) this greeting (to you) but how shall we invoke Allah for you?" He said, "Say: O Allah! Send your greetings on Muhammad who is Your servant and Your Messenger, the same way as You sent Your greetings on Abraham's family. And send Your blessings on Muhammad and on Muhammad's family, the same way as You sent Your blessings on Abraham's family."

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 6.322

Narrated Ibn Abi Hazim and Ad-Darawardi:

Yazid reported (similarly with the following wordings) "...And send Your blessings on Muhammad and on Muhammad's family, the same way as You sent Your blessings on Abraham and on Abraham's family."

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 8.368

Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Abi Laila:

Ka'b bin 'Ujra met me and said, "Shall I give you a present? Once the Prophet (saw) came to us and we said, 'O Allah's Apostle! We know how to greet You; but how to send Salat upon you?' He said 'Say: O Allah! Send your greetings (Salawat) on Muhammad and his family, the same way as You sent Your Salawat on Abraham's family. O Allah! Send Your blessings on Muhammad and on Muhammad's family, the same way as You sent Your blessings on Abraham's family. You are indeed worthy of all praise, full of glory.'"

4:54

Or do they envy those people for what Allah has given them of His grace? But indeed We have given to auli-Ibrahim the Book and the wisdom, and We have given them the grand kingdom.

02.124

And when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, he fulfilled them. He said: Surely I will make you an Imam of men. Ibrahim said: And of my offspring? He said: My covenant does not include the unjust.

021.072

And We gave him Ishaq and Yaqoub, a son's son, and We made all righteous.

021.073

And We made them Imams who guided (people) by Our command, and We revealed to them the doing of good and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of the alms, and Us (alone) did they serve;

11:73

They said: Do You wonder at Allah's decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings be upon you, O Ahlulbayt! He is indeed worthy of all praise full of all glory!"

(concerning Ahlulbayt of Ibrahim (as) )

33:33

...Verily Allah desires to remove all blemish from you, O Ahlul-Bayt, and purify you with a perfect purification.

(concerning Ahlulbayt of Mohammad pbuh )

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002.247

And their prophet said to them: Surely Allah has raised Talut to be a king over you. They said: How can he hold kingship over us while we have a greater right to kingship than he, and he has not been granted an abundance of wealth? He said: Surely Allah has chosen him in preference to you, and He has increased him abundantly in knowledge and physique, and Allah grants His kingdom to whom He pleases, and Allah is Amplegiving, Knowing.

002.248

And the prophet said to them: Surely the sign of His kingdom is, that there shall come to you the chest in which there is tranquillity from your Lord and residue of the relics of what the auli-Musa and the auli-Haroun have left, the angels bearing it; most surely there is a sign in this if you believe.

tell me was Dawood (as) appointed as Khalaf to judge between people with truth or did the people pick him?

who are the 12 Khalafs according to Quran definition of Khalafa..

ma'asalama

Edited June 27, 2004 by Link

[Saltra]

In my opinion

I'm telling you what Khalafs are according to the Quran.. yet your giving me your stupid opinion..

ma'asalama

I think you are forgetting your imams in talking about caliphs.

You don't call them caliphs.

but if you have planned to call your 12-imams caliphs from today, then the question remains unaddressed and unanswered.

Read the actual message of the thread ONCE AGAIN please.

I must take it that STUPID minds call everything stupid they can't absorb in their HEADS.

[Saltra]

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 6.320

Narrated Ka'b bin Ujra:

It was said, "O Allah's Apostle! We know how to greet you, but how to invoke Allah for you?" The Prophet said, "Say: O Allah! Send your blessings/greetings (Salawat) on Muhammad and his family, the same way as You sent Your blessings/greetings on Abraham's family. You are indeed worthy of all praise, full of glory.'"

....

ONCE again your favourite COPY-PASTE-Special.

How can i answer a BASELESS and POINTLESS post from you?

For God's sake present your views about what you have PASTED here.

4:54

Or do they envy those people for what Allah has given them of His grace? But indeed We have given to auli-Ibrahim the Book and the wisdom, and We have given them the grand kingdom.

02.124

And when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, he fulfilled them. He said: Surely I will make you an Imam of men. Ibrahim said: And of my offspring? He said: My covenant does not include the unjust.

021.072

And We gave him Ishaq and Yaqoub, a son's son, and We made all righteous.

021.073

And We made them Imams who guided (people) by Our command, and We revealed to them the doing of good and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of the alms, and Us (alone) did they serve;

WHERE ARE YOUR IMAMS IN THESE VERSES?

You will agree there is no Ibraheem, no Ishaq and no Yaqoub amongst your 12-Team.

11:73

They said: Do You wonder at Allah's decree? The grace of Allah and His blessings be upon you, O Ahlulbayt! He is indeed worthy of all praise full of all glory!"

(concerning Ahlulbayt of Ibrahim  )

Are we discussing your Special-Imamat or AHL-al-BAIT??

33:33

...Verily Allah desires to remove all blemish from you, O Ahlul-Bayt, and purify you with a perfect purification.

(concerning Ahlulbayt of Mohammad  )

SAME approach.

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002.247

And their prophet said to them: Surely Allah has raised Talut to be a king over you. They said: How can he hold kingship over us while we have a greater right to kingship than he, and he has not been granted an abundance of wealth? He said: Surely Allah has chosen him in preference to you, and He has increased him abundantly in knowledge and physique, and Allah grants His kingdom to whom He pleases, and Allah is Amplegiving, Knowing.

As far as i remember Talut is not your imam out of the 12.

002.248

And the prophet said to them: Surely the sign of His kingdom is, that there shall come to you the chest in which there is tranquillity from your Lord and residue of the relics of what the auli-Musa and the auli-Haroun have left, the angels bearing it; most surely there is a sign in this if you believe.

Aal-e-Musa and Aal-e-Ibraheem.

So??

I m sure here you believe your 12-imams belong to Aal-e-Musa.

M i right??

tell me was Dawood  appointed as Khalaf to judge between people with truth or did the people pick him?

Tell me if Dawood is your imam out of 12???

who are the 12 Khalafs according to Quran definition of Khalafa..

12 Caliphs are not included in the Basic Pillars of Islam. They are 5 in number.

Your imamat is the basic pillar of your religion.

So??

WHERE IS YOUR IMAMAT IN THIS WORLD NOW??

[Syed Fahad]

Link

Does the Doctrine of Imamate in Shism has such a weak foundation and base that one has to refer to hadiths inorder to understand its significence and concept?Do you need hadiths to understand the importance and concept of Tawhid, Ma'ad(Day of Judgment) and Prophethood?

Are you calling the sayings of Prophet Muhammad weak?

You simply do not understand how important the hadith are, otherwise you wouldnt speak such rubbish.

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rahat

Dear Rahat

You are telling me that i dont understand the importance of hadiths ,for your kind information Alhamdulilah we are aware of the importance of Hadiths and we do understand their importance as well but what you should understand is the difference between Hadiths and Qur'an and the greatest assumption from which all my shia brothers are suffering including you is that you believe that all hadiths are 100% authentic which is not true.

Who has said that Iam calling the sayings of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) as weak?

Brother the biggest problem is that my Shia brothers are so badly lost in the philosophy of the Doctrine of Imamate that when ever you find any narrative or the verse of the Qur'an which contains the term "Imam", you accept them by assuming that they are supporting your point of views without pondering and paying heed over the actual context of the narrative or the verse.

What i have put into question is not the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) but actually the common and generally held point of views of Shias regarding Imamate which they try to support from the hadiths of Sunni sources.

I hope my statement is clear.

Edited June 28, 2004 by Syed Fahad

[Syed Fahad]

Brother Rahat

If you truely believe that the hadiths regarding the 12 Imams from sunni sources is actually refering to your Imams ,than how can you prove from these hadiths that it includes the 9 descendants of Hussain(Ra) and excludes the the descendants of Hassan(ra) ?

How can you prove from these hadiths that Imam Zaid(Imam of Zaidi Shias) is not among the 12 Imams of Imami Shias inspite of knowing the fact that Imam Zaid also belonged to the progeny of Ahl'l Bait?

[Link]

Brother Rahat

If you truely believe that the hadiths regarding the 12 Imams from sunni sources is actually refering to your Imams ,than how can you prove from these hadiths that it includes the 9 descendants of Hussain(Ra) and excludes the the descendants of Hassan(ra) ?

How can you prove from these hadiths that Imam Zaid(Imam of Zaidi Shias) is not among the 12 Imams of Imami Shias inspite of knowing the fact that Imam Zaid also belonged to the progeny of Ahl'l Bait?

002.248

And the prophet said to them: Surely the sign of His kingdom is, that there shall come to you the chest in which there is tranquillity from your Lord and residue of the relics of what the auli-Musa and the auli-Haroun have left, the angels bearing it; most surely there is a sign in this if you believe.

12 Caliphs are not included in the Basic Pillars of Islam. They are 5 in number.

The Prophet said: "The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish."

Sunni references:

- Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in Saudi Arabia, v3, p1453, Tradition #10

- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1010, Tradition #4483

{If you want to check right away, this is from a sunni site,

http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/muslim/020.html}

theres a bunch of these hadiths..u can check back:

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?sh...ic=32860&st=300

what are Khalafs according to Quran? According to you, none of them existed...

[shukranlillah]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Ya rabba Muhammad Wa Ale Muhammad Salle Ala Muhammad Wa Ale Muhammad Wa Ajjil Faraja Qa-eme Ale Muhammad

Surah Ale Imran (60-63) :

�(This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of the disputers.

But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and ourselves and yourselves, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.

Most surely this is the true explanation, and there is no god but Allah; and most surely Allah-- He is the Mighty, the Wise.

But if they turn back, then surely Allah knows the mischief-makers.�

I have to tell something to the real person behind the name Julius Cesar who has started this topic. Being the claimant of truth he choose the name of a person who is famous for his lost character. He loves the person who is a debauchee. It proves that he is one of the Dawlleen group.

I suggest you all to read the verses I have quoted. Quran is the truth. What the Quran says is true. As the person who started this discussion and his friends are satisfied with nothing then we have another way to prove. We have learnt the Mubahela from Quran to practice when the knowledge has been exposed. We must do Mubahela now. The Truth will be clear by Mubahela and one of us will remain as Mal�un eternally and his voice will be lost forever and the other will be active in the shiachat.com by the permission of Allah. I am a representative of the Shias and I ask the person behind Julius cesar to be a representative of his own group (including Sayed Fhad, Water bird, Saltra, Und3reathitall, Winner...) and to do the Mubahela as it is the nice way for a person like him. He must join to the Mubahela. And Most surely Allah will clearly show all of you the true religion (Deen al Haq). Allah, the most HIGH does not ignore such a matter of Deen al Haq. I ask all of my Shia brothers and sisters to pray for curse upon the liars as it is the very way of Mubahela.

The person behind the name Julius Cesar should agree and not to turn back and to write the following statements his the reply:

If the Imamate is true for Ali and the twelve Imams are true as the Shias say, then O Allah, I sincerely ask your wrath (La�nah) on me eternally let my voice be lost forever and if these Imams are false then O Allah, I sincerely ask your wrath (La�nah) on Fatima Munawara and let her voice be lost forever. Muhammad (Sm) is the witness.

And I .... am saying:

If the Imamate and the Twelve Imams (as) are true as we (shias) say then O Allah, I sincerely ask you by the name of Fatimah Zahra binte Rasoolullah (S) and her son Hussain ibn Ali (as) and the other Twelve Masoomins to curse the real person behind the name Julius Cesar and let his voice be lost forever. Ya Sahebazzaman Adriknee. Ya Ali Madad.

Edited March 28, 2007 by shukranlillah

[Yemenite]

If only life was that easy ... Fatima Munawara..

Anyway, Mubahila won't do them any good (for the time being).. they are gonna stick to their positions..

Bham Bhullay Shah calls you to his temple.. go worship him :huh:

[rahat]

Dear Rahat

Brother the biggest problem is that my Shia brothers are so badly lost in the philosophy of the Doctrine of Imamate that when ever you find any narrative or the verse of the Qur'an which contains the term "Imam", you accept them by assuming that they are supporting your point of views without pondering and paying heed over the actual context of the narrative or the verse.

What i have put into question is not the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) but actually the common and generally held point of views of Shias regarding Imamate which they try to support from the hadiths of Sunni sources.

I hope my statement is clear.

Dear Sir,

It is you who need to realize that the doctrine of Imammat is not somethin unique that the Shia have randomly made up. It is the simple concept of Allah appointing a representative on Earth, its in the Quran, its in the Hadith.

It is the sunnis who like to romanticize the Imammat, as if it is something brand new and unique, and superior to all "previous" Islamic concepts (it is in fact, perhaps the oldest and most well understood Islamic concept), but every shia will admit that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was superior to all creations, past and future, including the Imams.

Besides, who are the sunnis to criticise the Shia "doctrine of Imammat" - how do you know that your generic catch all translation of "imam" is the correct one? From what authority do you speak?

-

rahat

[Smart01]

person behind Julius cesar to be a representative of his own group (including Sayed Fhad, Water bird, Smart01, Saltra, Und3reathitall, Winner...)

(bismillah)

(salam)

Fatima Munawara

Me, Smart01, is 100% Shia. And a Proud One that I follow those who never comitted Sin and they are Pure.

Please Please Please ... dont misunderstood my that post that I posted on behalf of my sunni Brothers and read that post carefully actually I wrote exactly those same things which our sunni brother used to write specially in this thread.

And NO WAY Julius Cesar my representative. If you read this post sister, post your apology as you have severely hurt me. You put me in the list of those who burn Bibi Fatimah (as) house. I regret on that post that I write.

By the way, there is no feeling against u sister as you were will of emotions and I respect your thoughts except that u made regarding me <_<

FeAman Allah

AGAIN >..... > I am PROUD SHIA ... very PROUD

[Hussain100]

Salaam

To Fatima Munawara:

It seems amazing that there are people here who are ready to send curses either upon themselves or on the other side. This is not the way for a discussion to go, because we are not here to curse one another or invoke Allah's wrath on us (We are not Jews !!!!).

Thanks.

[Hussain100]

Salaam

Brother Link, who was very fond of quoting the Hadeeth in Bukhari Volume 8, Book 75, Number 368, can also consider the following Hadeeth:

Volume 8, Book 75, Number 371:

Narrated Abu Humaid As-Saidi:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle ! How may we send Salat on you?" He said, "Say: Allahumma Salli 'ala- Muhammadin wa azwajihi wa dhurriyyatihi kama sal-laita 'ala ali Ibrahim; wa barik 'ala Muhammadin wa azwajihi wa dhurriyyatihi kamabarakta 'ala ali Ibrahim innaka hamidun majid."

[Link]

That is one hadith compared to the many which excludes the wives...

[Link]

wa azwajihi wa dhurriyyatihi

it is "aulihi", who says "dhurriyyatihi"..? that and thats one agains the other many which excluded it

Edited June 29, 2004 by Link

[Link]

The point is we proved conclusively our doctrine by Quran...

please don't change the subject...

[Hussain100]

Salaam

The point is we proved conclusively our doctrine by Quran...

please don't change the subject...

I simply quoted the Hadeeth because Link is mentioning Ahadeeth. No other reason.

That is one hadith compared to the many which excludes the wives...

It will not make a difference if there is one Hadeeth against a million Ahadeeth, if all of them were indeed said by the Prophet. If the Prophet said so, then it means that this supplication is also a way to send blessings to the Prophet. As easy as that.

Thanks.

[Link]

What do u say in your salat, khalas that is enough proof...

[Link]

wa alaicom salam wa rahmattalla wa barakatu (sorry for not replying to salams earlier)

[shukranlillah]

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem

Salamun Alaikum, Dear smart01

I am extreamly sorry for my mistake.

Actually I misunderstood you. Please pardon me. I don't want to hurt any Shia of Zahrah (as).

By the name of Zahra (as) and her progeny, please pardon me...please.......

Astagfirullah Wa Atubun Ilallah

Allahumma Salle Ala Muhammad Wa Ale Muhammad

Dear, please exept my apology...

I must correct my post now...

Sorry again.

-Fatima Munawara