Advanced Member Simba Posted March 20, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 NAVROZ - Saturday 20TH MARCH 2004TAHWIL TIME: 06:48 GMT LOCAL TIME: 9.48 A.M.A NEW DAYNavroz is a persian word meaning a new day. Actually every day is a new day, but it is on this day that the sun completes its cycle of passing through all the 'Celestial Stations' which are 12 in number and enters the first one known as Haml (Ram) - Aries 31 days initiating a week of festivities.This day falls on 21st March and is known as Navroz.It takes the sun 365 days and nights , 5hrs 28mins and 50seconds to complete the full circuit of the 12 Stations. This entry of the sun is known as Tahweel - e - Shams (Sun's entry) and celebrated as Idd - e - Navroz.*IMPORTANCE*On this day Allah(s.w.t) created the earth, the universe, the cold winds started to blow and the earth became fertile to bear trees, vegetables, fruits and other necessities for mankind.*CELEBRATION OF NAVROZ*Kumers, the first King of Iran 3266 yrs before Nabi Issa(a.s) determined the days and seasons in a year and ordered all learned people to pronounce and to proclaim the importance of this day.100 years later it was Jamshed who called this day NAVROZ and celebrated it as Idd.*NAVROZ IN ISLAM*Though Navroz is not a common Idd amongst Muslims, the Shias give a lot of importance.Once our 6th Imam a.s. told Moalla bin Khunais on the importance of this day:1. The sun attained its brightness2. The wind started to blow3 .The Ark of Prophet Nuh a.s. stopped near Mount Judi (near Najaf in Iraq) and saved from drowning4. Prophet Ibrahim a.s. broke the idols of his community5. Angel Jibrael brought the first revelation to our Holy Prophet s.a.w.6. The Holy Prophet s.a.w. lifted Imam Ali a.s. on his shoulders for removing the idols from the Kaa'ba7. The Holy Prophet s.a.w. announced Imam Ali a.s. as his successor at Ghadir - e - Khum8. Our 12th Imam will reappear and hang Dajjal in a place known as Kinasa in Kufa.It was on this day that 3000 people were raised from the dead after 60 years as mentioned in the Holy Quran (2:243). In a place called Raawerdaan, between Kufa and Basra. Plague would strike here every year and the people who had the means would migrate to other villages.Once as they were fleeing the epidemic, Allah sent two angels, one from the front and one from the rear who shouted "die!" and instantly all the people along with their animals died on the spot.After some sixty years, when the bones had deteriorated, Ezikel ibne Yuza, the second vicegerent of Prophet Musa a.s. happened to pass this way and started to wonder how could it be possible for Allah to raise them again. A voice was heard which told him to sprinkle water over the bones. Ezekial did as instructed and was astounded to see the bones join together in the shape of human beings and thus were they raised from the dead. It was the day of Navroz.*AAMALS*It has been related from Imam Jaffar Sadiq a.s. that on this day one should:1. Try to keep a fast , have a bath , put on good clothes and use scent 2. Afte zohr prayers, pray 4 rakaats, in two's as follows:-1st rakaat after sura al Hamd, 10 times sura al Qadr2nd rakaat after sura al Hamd, 10 times sura al Kafiroon1st rakaat after sura al Hamd, 10 times Qul Huwwal Lah2nd rakaat after sura al Hamd, 10 times sura an Naas and 10 times sura al Falaq3. Recite "Ya zal jalali wal ikram" at least 365 times4. At the dawn of this day, recite "Ya Wahab" - "Oh Bestower" 14 timesand "Ya Wadudu"-"Oh Governor" 22 times5. After this pray for the fullfilment of your desires.Aamal at the Tahwel e Shams: ReciteLA HAULA WALA QOOWATA ILLA BILLA HILL'ALEE-YILL ADHEEMA'OOZO BE RABBIS-SUHAA WAS SAHEE-YATEHMINAL 'AQRABEY WAS-SAARI-QI WAL H'AYYATI THERE IS NOE FEAR OR MIGHT SAVE THAT FROM Allah, THE HIGH, THE GREATI SEEK PROTECTION OF THE LORD FROM SCOPION AND THIEF AND SNAKEThis dua should be recited 366 times..........and many other aamals and duas from Shia Dua books.The rain water of this month is very useful in curing many ailments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Aflaltoon Posted March 20, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 (salam) Sorry to diappoint you. It was my Birthday yesterday and because it's Muharram we refuse to celebrate anything. Imam Musa Al Kazim(sa) Wiladat falls during our 2 months of sadness, we defer that too.As for Navroz, this is a persian thing. Imam Mahdi(sa) will have his Zahoor on Ashura. This Navroz thing is an iranian thing. You celebrate it wildly and we Shias have nothing to do with it.Our calender is with Hijra.As for all your importance to these days. No chance. Al I can say is both the gregorian calender and the iranian is finished! Follow the stars if you want but no more najoomies are here no more.wasalaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member IzTeraB Posted March 20, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Can any bor/sis give some more info on this ? nauroz ..to the best of my knowledge Imam Jafir Sadiq was in Madinah and didnt followed iranian calender how come he instructed ppl to celebrate nauroz ? 6. The Holy Prophet s.a.w. lifted Imam Ali a.s. on his shoulders for removing the idols from the Kaa'ba7. The Holy Prophet s.a.w. announced Imam Ali a.s. as his successor at Ghadir - e - Khumfirst was on day of Hajj and second was on 18th zilhajj ..can day of nauraz come again with just a gap of 8 days :o and also this kinda stuff just reminds me how ppl try to undermine the event of karbala by making the importance of ashura , Allah created earth on ashura , noah got his ark on ashura n ,fast on ashura as a traditon of jews n bla bla bla ..i always wondered how this iranian festival had islamic importance :o sp please give me more information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Simba Posted March 20, 2004 Author Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 salaams..thanks for the response aflatoon.. I am a shia ithna asheri as well.. n i understand wat ur point is.. Amaal e navroz doesnt mean "celebrating" or "partying". It's one of the important days in the history which has its own significance.. Even the rain water that falls from the sky on tht day is know to be very pure (pollution free) and if used as medication with pure faith, it really cures anything, even cancer (depending on ones faith and intention).. reciting 2 or 3 duas more on month of muharram wont make u a bad muslim, hence it doesnt mean partying/celebrating..As far as ur birthday is concerned.. U didnt celebrate it just becoz it fell on the month of sadness... Well imam hussein has said "Kullu yawmin ashura, kullu ardhin kerbala". meaning, "every day is day of Ahura, and Every land is land of kerbala". In tht sense ur not supposed to be celebrating anything aon ny day of the year..However, we still celebrate the wiladat of our imams, dont we?? tht doesnt mean we r comiting gunah (sin).. becoz we celebrate it in islamic ways and limits.. It all depends on how a person understands Islam.. after all, god is all knowing and all wise.. he knows our intentions are..n one more thing about birthdays.. i fail to understand why ppl "celebrate" their birthdays, i dont see any point of celebration or happiness when im loosing an year from my limited life.. i would definately celebrate it if my life had unlimited years ..but no, i have to return to Allah one day..so instead, during my birthdays i pray to Allah to accept the good deeds and forgive my sins of the past year..anyways, its just my opinion bro.. no offence!w.salaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abbas Posted March 20, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Salam AlaikumThere are some people who think Nawroz has nothing to do with Islam.But I would like you all to look at the contents page of Mufatih ul Jinan and see that it has its own chapter with its own duas and prayers. This indeed is a blessed day.Also look at no. 1757 of Islamic Laws of Agha Sayyid Seestani, where it says that it is mustahab to fast on the day of Nawroz.Just because it is remembered in the solar calender, it doesnt loses any connection with Islam.There are some ulama who said that Nawroz is complete bidah, such as Sh. Khalisi (Abul Fadhl ibn Riza al-Burquai al-Khalisi) and his student Sh. Mohamamd Hussain Najafi (aka Dhakkoo), but I wont comment on these two :angel: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member killer_zahra Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 NAVROZ - Saturday 20TH MARCH 2004TAHWIL TIME: 06:48 GMT LOCAL TIME: 9.48 A.M.A NEW DAYNavroz is a persian word meaning a new day. Actually every day is a new day, but it is on this day that the sun completes its cycle of passing through all the 'Celestial Stations' which are 12 in number and enters the first one known as Haml (Ram) - Aries 31 days initiating a week of festivities.This day falls on 21st March and is known as Navroz.It takes the sun 365 days and nights , 5hrs 28mins and 50seconds to complete the full circuit of the 12 Stations. This entry of the sun is known as Tahweel - e - Shams (Sun's entry) and celebrated as Idd - e - Navroz.*IMPORTANCE*On this day Allah(s.w.t) created the earth, the universe, the cold winds started to blow and the earth became fertile to bear trees, vegetables, fruits and other necessities for mankind.*CELEBRATION OF NAVROZ*Kumers, the first King of Iran 3266 yrs before Nabi Issa(a.s) determined the days and seasons in a year and ordered all learned people to pronounce and to proclaim the importance of this day.100 years later it was Jamshed who called this day NAVROZ and celebrated it as Idd.*NAVROZ IN ISLAM*Though Navroz is not a common Idd amongst Muslims, the Shias give a lot of importance.Once our 6th Imam a.s. told Moalla bin Khunais on the importance of this day:1. The sun attained its brightness2. The wind started to blow3 .The Ark of Prophet Nuh a.s. stopped near Mount Judi (near Najaf in Iraq) and saved from drowning4. Prophet Ibrahim a.s. broke the idols of his community5. Angel Jibrael brought the first revelation to our Holy Prophet s.a.w.6. The Holy Prophet s.a.w. lifted Imam Ali a.s. on his shoulders for removing the idols from the Kaa'ba7. The Holy Prophet s.a.w. announced Imam Ali a.s. as his successor at Ghadir - e - Khum8. Our 12th Imam will reappear and hang Dajjal in a place known as Kinasa in Kufa.It was on this day that 3000 people were raised from the dead after 60 years as mentioned in the Holy Quran (2:243). In a place called Raawerdaan, between Kufa and Basra. Plague would strike here every year and the people who had the means would migrate to other villages.Once as they were fleeing the epidemic, Allah sent two angels, one from the front and one from the rear who shouted "die!" and instantly all the people along with their animals died on the spot.After some sixty years, when the bones had deteriorated, Ezikel ibne Yuza, the second vicegerent of Prophet Musa a.s. happened to pass this way and started to wonder how could it be possible for Allah to raise them again. A voice was heard which told him to sprinkle water over the bones. Ezekial did as instructed and was astounded to see the bones join together in the shape of human beings and thus were they raised from the dead. It was the day of Navroz.*AAMALS*It has been related from Imam Jaffar Sadiq a.s. that on this day one should:1. Try to keep a fast , have a bath , put on good clothes and use scent 2. Afte zohr prayers, pray 4 rakaats, in two's as follows:-1st rakaat after sura al Hamd, 10 times sura al Qadr2nd rakaat after sura al Hamd, 10 times sura al Kafiroon1st rakaat after sura al Hamd, 10 times Qul Huwwal Lah2nd rakaat after sura al Hamd, 10 times sura an Naas and 10 times sura al Falaq3. Recite "Ya zal jalali wal ikram" at least 365 times4. At the dawn of this day, recite "Ya Wahab" - "Oh Bestower" 14 timesand "Ya Wadudu"-"Oh Governor" 22 times5. After this pray for the fullfilment of your desires.Aamal at the Tahwel e Shams: ReciteLA HAULA WALA QOOWATA ILLA BILLA HILL'ALEE-YILL ADHEEMA'OOZO BE RABBIS-SUHAA WAS SAHEE-YATEHMINAL 'AQRABEY WAS-SAARI-QI WAL H'AYYATI THERE IS NOE FEAR OR MIGHT SAVE THAT FROM Allah, THE HIGH, THE GREATI SEEK PROTECTION OF THE LORD FROM SCOPION AND THIEF AND SNAKEThis dua should be recited 366 times..........and many other aamals and duas from Shia Dua books.The rain water of this month is very useful in curing many ailments. (bismillah) (salam) Keep it up bro :) WasalaamIltamse Dua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member YA ZAHRA Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 (bismillah) Any references? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abdulhujjah Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 (bismillah) Any references? (bismillah) exactly what i was htinkingWassalaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Peer Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 (bismillah) Any references?(bismillah) exactly what i was htinkingWassalaam Here :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abdulhujjah Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 (bismillah) Do have actually references of the hadith book like pg number hadith book name etc.Wassalaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Peer Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 I took it from here: Al ManacAnd for the other hadeeth (Moalla-Imam Jafar one), it was from the book called "Tohfatul Awaam", which was check and verified by Sayyid Ali Naqi al-Naqvi (the late grand mujtahid of Lucknow).Wa'SalamAli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member HAIDARI Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 (edited) (salam) I think those who fear that celebrating/observing the Nowrooz to be somehow not believing in the Islamic calendar are misunderstanding the position of those who do celebrate/observe the Eid e Nowrooz. As mentioned above, in the photocopied source provided by Brother Peer, it is clear that even the Holy Ones (as) observed the Eid e Nowrooz. Now, as a Muslim living in the United States, I follow the Gregorian calendar, because it is convenient and the whole world follows it. As well, during religious events (i.e. Majalis, Ashura, Eid al Fitr, Eid al Ghadeer etc), I attend the local masjid, and I observe these occasions based on the Islamic Calendar. Furthermore, the Persian Calendar still exists. And, because the Eid e Nowrooz is an event that is followed on the Persian calendar, and it is respected by our Holy One's (as) , I dont see the problem of observing this occasion in an Islamic way. I dont think one commits gunnah by just following or observing a certain calendar, just as long as one's intentions are pure and you're still trying to be a faithful muslim. ALI Edited March 21, 2004 by HAIDARI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Hannibal Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 I am personaly against Nowrooz and it's "celebration" even though I'm Iranian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Orion Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 (bismillah) (salam) Br. Abbas had pointed towerds the Tozih of Sayyed Seestani. I checked the fatwa and this is what it says under Mustahab Fasts:Mustahab Fasts1757.* Fasting is Mustahab on every day of a year except those on which it is haraam or Makrooh to observe a fast. Some of them which have been strongly recommended, are mentioned here: (i) The first and last Thursday of every month and the first Wednesday after the 10th of a month. If a person does not observe these fasts it is Mustahab that he gives their qadha. And if he is incapable of fasting, it is Mustahab for him to give one mudd of food or prescribed coined silver to poor. (ii) 13th, 14th and 15th day of every month. (iii) On all days of Rajab and Shaban or on as many days as it is possible to fast, even though it may be one day only. (iv) The day of Eid Nawroz. (v) From the 4th up to the 9th of the month of Shawwal. (vi) The 25th and 29th day of the month of Zi qa'da. (vii) From the 1st day to the 9th day (i.e. 'Arafa day) of the month of Zil hajj. But if, it is not possible for one to recite the Duas of 'Arafa due to weakness caused by fasting, it is Makrooh to fast on that day. (viii) The auspicious day of Ghadir (18th Zil hajj). (ix) The auspicious day of Mubahala (24th Zil hajj). (x) The 1st, 3rd and 7th day of Muharram. (xi) The birthday of the Holy Prophet (17th Rabi'ul awwal). (xii) 15th day of Jumadi'ul oola. Fasting is also recommended on 27th of Rajab - the day the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) declared his Prophethood. If a person observes a Mustahab fast, it is not obligatory on him to complete it. In fact, if one of his brethren-in-faith invites him to a meal, it is Mustahab that he accepts the invitation and breaks the fast during the day time even if it may be after Zuhr. http://www.al-islam.org/laws/fasting2.html#1757WS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Orion Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 (bismillah) (salam) And this is what it says in the Urdu translation of Mafatih al-Jinan: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veteran Member baqar Posted March 21, 2004 Veteran Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 We non Iranian Shias have just copied Nauroz from our Iranian forbears.I believe it should not merit a celeberation, even though there is no harm in doing AAAML etc.But wishing one another NAUROZ MUBARAK during the month of Muharram does not appear to be the right thing to do.Mafatihul Jinah is just an Iranian book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abbas Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 Salam AlaikumMafatihul Jinah is just an Iranian book.So is Bihar ul Anwar just an Iranian book too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abdulhujjah Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 (bismillah) The curing water of the rain of April is different to nayrooz, nayrooz is a pseudo islamic celebration, mafatee7 jinaan isnt 100% authentic. Can you give me authentic traditions from our books, bihar etc. about this event, I wish to learn, cause my father said in Najaf it wasnt encouraged.Wassalaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiting Posted March 21, 2004 Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 There are plenty of traditions pointing towards the religious signifance of Nowrooz in Shii traditions; however my personal opinion is that they do not have the religious signifance within the age of the last Prophet (s). However, as I previously pointed out, it is very likely that the spring equinox (=nowrooz) has been announced a religious holiday by plenty of prophets before the last one. I showed in some other posts that in vastly different areas people have put their new years in and around the spring equinox, and it is doubtful that people themselves invented this.In any case, just because it does not have religious significance at present does not merit it a prohibition. It is a joyful celebration and a several thousand years old tradition which iranians, kurds, afghans, taijikis etc have celebrated. According to some traditions in Tahdhib, Kafi and Man la... from the Kutub al-Arba'a and from other books, the Commander of the believers is said to have asked the iranian shias about this day, and when told about its content and significance have replied "Nowroozena Kolle Yowm". (Man la..., v. 3, p. 300)Check this page for detailed references and discussion: http://www.nowruz.ir/45-1.aspNotice I'm not rejecting the fact that it does have a religious significance from an "absolute" viewpoint, I'm just saying it was not publically declared to be one for the Community of Muhammad (s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abdulhujjah Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 (bismillah) I just would like to know why it will be celebrated in Muharram when we dont even celebrate greater events in these two months like the birth of Imam Musa al Kadhem (as). Wassalaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiting Posted March 21, 2004 Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 The lunar year has a big deficiency, and that is that it keeps "losing" days, and moves around all the time. In other words, the solar year is always on the 21st of March. But muharram keeps moving and now it has moved on to a phase where it coincides with 21st of March. That is why it is celebrated in Muharram this year (and last year). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abdulhujjah Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 The lunar year has a big deficiency, and that is that it keeps "losing" days, and moves around all the time. In other words, the solar year is always on the 21st of March. But muharram keeps moving and now it has moved on to a phase where it coincides with 21st of March. That is why it is celebrated in Muharram this year (and last year). (bismillah) What Im saying it shouldnt be celebrated for as long as it falls in Muharram or safar, out of respect for the Master of Martyrs (as).Wassalaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abbas Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 Salam AlaikumYoure right it shouldnt be celebrated in Muharram, but there are duas and a'amaal which are makhsoos for this day and there is no harm in reciting those duas.There are majoosi celebrations tied in with Nawroz, which r a waste of time, but it doesnt mean we shouldnt see it as a special day with respect to Islam and Imam Ali (A).I also read a fatwa by Ayatullah Kashif ul Ghita who gives clear guidance for us to make Eid-e-Nawroz a special day and he admonishes those who says its all just majoosi nonsense. But of course, the sadness of Muharram overrides any type of celebration. Thats why Ayatullah Seestani said it is highly mustahab to fast on Nawroz as long as it doesnt fall on Ashura or any other day where fasting is prohibited/makrooh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member IzTeraB Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 *CELEBRATION OF NAVROZ*Kumers, the first King of Iran 3266 yrs before Nabi Issa(a.s) determined the days and seasons in a year and ordered all learned people to pronounce and to proclaim the importance of this day.100 years later it was Jamshed who called this day NAVROZ and celebrated it as Idd.To the best of my knowledge Imam Jafir Sadiq was in Madinah and didnt followed iranian calender how come he instructed ppl to celebrate nauroz ? 6. The Holy Prophet s.a.w. lifted Imam Ali a.s. on his shoulders for removing the idols from the Kaa'ba7. The Holy Prophet s.a.w. announced Imam Ali a.s. as his successor at Ghadir - e - Khum first was on day of Hajj and second was on 18th zilhajj ..can day of nauraz come again with just a gap of 8 days ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Aflaltoon Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 (salam) Look I was just kidding with you. The Guns of Navroz is the day when Imam Ali(sa) got back his right after uthman gani.Hence, it's a happy day. But after Zahra(sa) household was murdered we don't celebrate anything.As for me celebrating b'days-not that I ever do. I was just saying that we should forget our own life and have happiness in the pure households(sa) happiness and sadness in theirs. Hence, it's sad time till afterSafar.I could tell you alot about Navroz but some of the hadiths are done in taqiyah.wasalaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Hannibal Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 The lunar year has a big deficiency, and that is that it keeps "losing" days, and moves around all the time. In other words, the solar year is always on the 21st of March. But muharram keeps moving and now it has moved on to a phase where it coincides with 21st of March. That is why it is celebrated in Muharram this year (and last year).(bismillah) What Im saying it shouldnt be celebrated for as long as it falls in Muharram or safar, out of respect for the Master of Martyrs (as).Wassalaam Agreed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiting Posted March 21, 2004 Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 Well there is a new year every year - I mean what are you saying? Should we "discount" the years or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Hannibal Posted March 21, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 21, 2004 Well there is a new year every year - I mean what are you saying? Should we "discount" the years or what? I'm speaking of it's celebration during Muharram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Peer Posted March 22, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 Well there is a new year every year - I mean what are you saying? Should we "discount" the years or what?I'm speaking of it's celebration during Muharram. Just like we dont celebrate the commencement of Muharram, when it is the 1st Islamic month. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member The Canuck Posted March 22, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 (edited) (salam) Can any of you bro's show us what scholars and maraja say about this; whether it is prohibited or highly unrecommended to 'celebrate'...'observe' or 'acknowledge' .. this first day of spring, and the new year occasion. Even if it falls into the month of Muharram.Please I await your responses.Thanks,Salam Edited March 22, 2004 by Mujahid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abdulhujjah Posted March 22, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 (bismillah) Good idea...Wassalaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiting Posted March 22, 2004 Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 I don't know exactly what you include in the word "celebration", but there is nothing done in that which would contradict the spirit of Muharram. In anycase, I am quite surprised as to how many standard usooli people are ignorant of this; Nowrooz is in every marja's risala including Seestani's which the brother posted earlier in this thread. So if you just do emulation, then there is no discussion at all. Your source of emulation has ruled it to be an Eid etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Abdulhujjah Posted March 22, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 I don't know exactly what you include in the word "celebration", but there is nothing done in that which would contradict the spirit of Muharram. In anycase, I am quite surprised as to how many standard usooli people are ignorant of this; Nowrooz is in every marja's risala including Seestani's which the brother posted earlier in this thread. So if you just do emulation, then there is no discussion at all. Your source of emulation has ruled it to be an Eid etc. (bismillah) Recommended to fast not to boogie.Wassalaam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member hello Posted March 22, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 Salamun Alaykom,this is all new to me......its interesting to learn about this eid...but by far, the funniest comment, and i guess the most relevant isRecommended to fast not to boogie.good one AbdulHujjah ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advanced Member Orion Posted March 22, 2004 Advanced Member Report Share Posted March 22, 2004 I am quite surprised as to how many standard usooli people are......So if you just do emulation......Your source of emulation has ..... (bismillah) (salam) Do you comments mean you are an Akhbari or something? Kindly clarify.WS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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