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There is a book called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to what extent is this book authentic, as there is a wide understanding for it being fabricated (also asked a history teacher who says it was fabricated)? Anyone got n e feeback ont his, if it is fabricated how is this possible when a large proportion of the content of this book is true or is becoming true>?

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There is a book called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to what extent is this book authentic, as there is a wide understanding for it being fabricated (also asked a history teacher who says it was fabricated)? Anyone got n e feeback ont his, if it is fabricated how is this possible when a large proportion of the content of this book is true or is becoming true>?

I am pretty sure that it is a fabrication. There is a book coming out soon by some Jewish writers who lay out a detailed explaination as to why the Protocols goes against the Jewish thinking and beliefs throughout history.

And I am not sure, but which part of it is true or becoming true?

Salaam and Shalom.

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i think the most damning evidence against it's legitimacy is the very way that it's written. why in the world would anyone present themselves as so blatantly evil? even those who are engaged in evil present themselves as doing good; the protocols don't give the jewish version of the matter; but rather the opposite viewpoint via the "mouth" of jewish authors.

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Well, I don't know if I could claim them to be fabricated, or as some claim, a "novel". The events described in this book fit the world situation like a glove. So when the zionists deny the Protocols as fabricated and indoctrinate the masses to ridicule them as fake, to me, it is something anticipated. Anyway, I don't know the 'truth' about them, they may well be fabricated, but it must be admitted that the "prophecies" contained within are in good correlation with world events of the last century.

NOTE: when it is claimed that the Jews are behind the conspiracy, this is not in the general sense, rather, it is the Zionists who are refered to. So I hope our Jewish friends would not take the general sense of the word. It is clear that Jews and Zionists are two contradictory entities. :)

Here's a brief background of the Protocols, from a copy I got from the Islamic Republic of Iran, it is worth reading:

This remarkable document came in the knowledge of the world through the efforts of Professor Sergyi A. Nilus, who was a priest in the Orthodox Church in Russia. He published the first Russian language edition in 1905. In his introduction, he says that a copy had been handed over to him by a friend, being a true translation of an original document (probably in Hebrew) stolen by a woman from one of the most influential and highly initiated leaders of Freemasonry, at the end of a meeting of the initiated in France, “the nest of Jewish-Masonic conspiracy”. (By the way, since then no woman was allowed the membership of Freemasonry and they are shunned from Lodges except, of course, on the occasion of social function which indeed are held very rarely). Professor Nilus says that the Protocols are not exactly minutes of meetings, but a report, with a part apparently missing, made by some powerful person.

In January, 1917, he had prepared another edition but before it could be put on the market, the revolution of March 1917, had taken place and the Kerensky Government that overthrew the Tzarist regime in Russia ordered the whole edition to be destroyed, for the obvious reason that the entire conspiracy would be exposed. Nilus was arrested by the Bolshevik Cheka, imprisoned and tortured. Later, he was exiled and died in Vladimir on January 13, 1929.

The book was so popular that its second edition appeared the very same year and by 1917 its many editions, had come out. It is known for certain that its 4th edition was available in 1917. Apart from its printed editions, its typewritten copy on rice paper was in wide circulation in Serbia, from where somehow copies were taken to America from the port of Vladivostok in August, 1919, where translations were made and published. There are valuable appendices in the American editions.

A copy of the second edition of Nilus work (1905) was received in the British Museum Library on August 10, 1906. On the subtitle page the British Museum Library Stamp is affixed, and also the words: “Passed by the Censor Moscow, 28th September, 1905.” The English translator of the Protocols was the British, Victor E. Marsden, Russian correspondent to the “Morning Post”. He had lived in Russia for many years and was married to a Russian lady. As a fearless critic he described the horrors of the events of 1917 with rare courage, for which he was arrested and thrown into the Peter-Paul Prison. When he was finally allowed to return to England after two years his health had been affected. As soon as he regained his vigour, he devoted all his time in the translation of Protocols which he did in the British Museum Library. Later his illness that he had contracted in the Bolshevik prison returned and shortly afterward he died. As regards its English translation in America, not much is known except that many editions exist. After the Bolshevik Revolution, Russian emigrants too brought Nilus’ book to North America and Germany.

Before Nilus published it in book form, the Protocols were widely circulated through the Russian newspaper SNAMJA in August and September, 1903. Earlier, they were also published in the newspaper MOSKOWSKIJA WIEDOMOSTI in 1902 and 1903. Nilus was greatly shocked when he read this book, and then he was very much concerned “to expose the ruthless, cold-blooded conspiracy for the destruction of the Christian civilization”. Naturally he was interested mainly to save Christianity although the “Jewish Masonic conspiracy” is a threat – much of it already realised – to all cultures, especially the Islamic though and civilization. Christianity was just a first phase of its multipronged thrust in all directions.

The Protocols may briefly be described as a blueprint for the domination of the world by a secret brotherhood and the world society which they look forward to is nothing more or less than a World Police State. The similarity between what was forecast in the Protocols and the fate which had befallen Russia under the Bolshevik was so marked that, after these long years of neglect, they rapidly became one of the most famous (or notorious) documents in the world.

The Protocols explain in laborious details the objects of Bolshevism and the methods of implementing it effectively. These methods were in operation in 1901 when Niuls received the documents, but Bolshevism was then Marxian Communism and the time had not come to apply it by ruthless police and military force.

The years have shown that almost every great world event has followed the course laid down by the secret authors, the Elders of Zion, of the 33rd Degree. Wars, slumps, revolutions, the rise in cost of living, and chronic unrest are all foretold as leading to the ultimate goal of world conquest through the back-door means.

In Bolshevik Russia, the penalty for the mere possession was death. It remains so to this day, both in the Soviet Union and in the satellite countries. In South Africa which is dominated by Jews, possession of the Protocols is forbidden by law, and the penalty less drastic than in Russia. After all why communist Russia and international Jewry are so much afraid of the book? The Protocols which are 24 in number are a sort of summing up of the long-draw deliberations of the Jewish Elders who met in series of conferences over many years.

They are not to be read like an ordinary book. Its contents require analysis and probe. Many things defy understanding and are elusive for a casual reader. It should be kept in mind that their topmost authority was addressing those who were at the topmost level of Jewish hierarchy and naturally there was no need of any elaborate treatment of certain matters which they were supposed to have already fully known. Hence only passing reference was required and sometimes only, a word or two was considered sufficient to draw their attention to some aspects which may be a puzzle for others. Here lies the difficulty of a non-Jewish reader. As a matter of fact, not all Jews are necessarily conversant with the entire thesis contained therein. These Protocols were meant for the most highly placed as a reference, a source of inspiration, a guidance for their thinking and working. They have to be read, re-read and studied in all seriousness. The Christian world, as would be clear by going though the notes on “Symbolic Snake” of Judaism, has already been snared and lies prostrate at the mercy of this ruthless inhuman cabal. And now Jews have to march towards the Islamic world. Nay, they are already there with all their tactics and weaponry and delay in counteracting the enemy may sound the death knell of liberty and freedom. Muslims are their last target but they can frustrate all the wild dreams of Jewry by acting promptly and wisely. The odds are many, but the job has to be done. The greater the danger, the greater the challenge. Surely by the help of Allah (swt) they can turn the tides. Indeed, it is a great honour, a privilege, a sa’adat to contribute what one can in the Jihad against this menace.

The Protocols Speak:

The evil is the one and only means to attain the end-the good. Therefore, we must not stop at bribery, deceit and treachery when they should serve towards the attainment of our end. Before us is a plan in which is laid strategically the line from which we cannot deviate without running the risk of seeing the labour of many centuries brought to naught.

Edited by MajiC

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(salam)

Here are some opinions about the Protocols:

Whence comes this uncanny note of prophecy, prophecy in part fulfilled, in part far gone in the way of fulfilment? Have we been struggling these tragic years to…..extirpate the secret organisation of German world dominion only to find beneath it, another, more dangerous one, another more secret? Have we…..escaped a Pax Germanica to fall into a Pax Judaica?

--The Times, London May 8, 1920

Those who feel libelled by the Protocols have the most obvious remedy in the world; all they have to do is to rise and denounce the policy of them, instead of deny authorship…But when you come to read them, how can any reasonable man deny the truth of what is contained in them?

--Norman Jaques, MP in Canadian House of Commons, July 9, 1943.

What is the most striking characteristic of the Protocols? The answer is knowledge of a rare kind, embracing the widest field. The solution of the “mystery”, if it is one, is to be found by ascertaining where this uncanny knowledge on which prophesises now literally fulfilled are based, can be shown to reside.

--Lord Sydenham of England, August 27, 1921.

Whosoever was the mind that conceived them possessed a knowledge of human nature, of history, and of statecraft whih is dazzling in its brilliant completeness, and terrible in the objects to which is turns its power. It is too terribly real for fiction, too well sustained for speculation, too deep in its knowledge of the secret springs of life for forgery.

--The Dearborn Independent, July 10 1920.

The United Nations is Zionism, It is the Super Government mentioned many times in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, promulgated between 1897 and 1905.

New York Jewish Lawyer, in Zionism Rules the World, 1948.

The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what’s going on. They are sixteen years old and they have fitted the world situation up to this time. They fit it now.

--Henry Ford in the New York World, February17, 1921.

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There is a book called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to what extent is this book authentic, as there is a wide understanding for it being fabricated (also asked a history teacher who says it was fabricated)? Anyone got n e feeback ont his, if it is fabricated how is this possible when a large proportion of the content of this book is true or is becoming true>?

It is partly true and partly a fabrication. The reason for this is that this got deliberately leaked for fringe public consumption to confuse people. The real version containing only the true parts is still pretty much a secret.

http://www.xeeatwelve.net/articles/protocols.html

Any document that is so inflammatory and receives such wide distribution is highly suspect. The ruling elite controls the distribution of "underground" materials, and The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is certainly "underground" material.

Any critical reader should question why the document has surfaced at all. A thorough reading of The Protocols exposes inconsistencies within it, which will alert the reader to something being amiss. For example, why would inflammatory language be used, unless it was intended to inflame people who were not supposed to have access to the document? Why would they boldly proclaim that they will end liberty? Why would the authors claim despotism to be the ideal form of government, yet fear the Russian aristocracy, which was despotic, and, likewise, the Catholic Church?

This being said, one faces the question of whether the document is legitimate or bogus. Specifically, was it written at a meeting of the Learned Elders of Zion? If these Elders are supposed to be the highest-ranking Jews who speak on behalf of all the Jews in the world, then, clearly, the document is a fraud. However, if the Learned Elders are supposed to be the highest-ranking Anunnaki Remnants (which body contains many Jews) and it does not speak for the Jewish population, but instead it speaks for the ruling elite (regardless of race, creed or nationality), then it is an authentic document.

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The whole thing was completely made up, just like The DaVinci Code. And it has been proven to be a hoax many, many times over.

There was a time in Europe in which Jews in general were treated about as bad as the Israelis are treating the people of Gaza today, and someone or some entity wrote it just to spite them.

Look, if I have a master plan to take over the entire planet, am I really going to write a book about it and send it to press? Not likely.

Still, it makes for entertaining reading...

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Its totally FAKE.

Made by the Ohrana, the secret police (mukhabarat) of the last Russian Tzar, Nicholas II.

the early Zionists were nothing more, than idealistic dreamers, who fathomed an "ideal country", where arabs and Jews live in peace and harmony..crazy, huh, I know, but still...Ahad Ha-Am, one of the pioneers warned his comrades (sic) in several treaties of him to threat with Arabs in the most respectable manner. etc...

It just simply went wrong...like most of the "ism"s in the world..like the so-calles "Islamism". :S

But it doesn't change the fact that the Elderas of Zion is a stupid, fake pamhpklet that preaches hatred and ignorancy.

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Whatever you do don't tell anyone you think it's anything other than a hoax. What in the world were you thinking about, asking a history teacher about this? A Muslim that asks about something like the Protocols of Zion is going to get immediately labeled as a likely anti-semite. I hope the teacher was also a Muslim, and he wasn't your school teacher.

We have the internet. Use that to find out about controversial things. School teachers don't know much anyway, so it's a waste of time asking them anything.

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Whatever you do don't tell anyone you think it's anything other than a hoax. What in the world were you thinking about, asking a history teacher about this? A Muslim that asks about something like the Protocols of Zion is going to get immediately labeled as a likely anti-semite. I hope the teacher was also a Muslim, and he wasn't your school teacher.

We have the internet. Use that to find out about controversial things. School teachers don't know much anyway, so it's a waste of time asking them anything.

No, don't be guilty conscience, and find some strength in authentic history.

Protocols is not an eastern or islamic affair - we have nothing to do with it.

its between the khazars and russians. it was not written in arabic, persian, urdo, turkish, malay, indonesian etc.

of the two possible parties, i believe its by khazar zionists. the zionists were and are filthy rich. do you know billions with B ??? well money leads to lust for power. its a very logical and deterministic step in the absence of religion of Torah but instead religion of zionism and talmudic fabrications. It has repeated several times in their history. Zionist is not new. It was born the same time Judaism was born, the same time as the golden calf, the same time as prior to Nebuchadnezzer.

The zionist banksters most like are behind the protocols, and they would not loathe to consider themselves the elders of their nation, and they are the drivers of the events, the invisible hand. Its the materialistic , darwinist spirit with which they brought the technological revolution in germany and the united states, and saw the possibility for a numerically small nation to rise up in power. the experience was old in the colonies where a jew led the greedy or foolish profligate white to commit atrocities.

POLEZ is the product of a very intelligent mind - is for sure. One who had good understanding of macro-economics , practical individual psychology, mass pyschology, finance and administration, as well as international perspective. The Tzars proved to be incompetent and lost to the zionists (communists) who shot the last Tzar and his family in the basement. They or their agents could not have written it due to lower intelligence. Intelligence of this kind is not intrinsic faculty, it is motivated by satanic forces.

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it was a philisohpical work where machievellie was taking to satan or something . someone who didn't like jews changed the characters around so it looked like a bunch of jews talking about taking over the world and so forth. and when jews screw up people say "ahh it proves the protocols are true". but it's just a coincidence

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Well, I don't know if I could claim them to be fabricated, or as some claim, a "novel". The events described in this book fit the world situation like a glove. So when the zionists deny the Protocols as fabricated and indoctrinate the masses to ridicule them as fake, to me, it is something anticipated. Anyway, I don't know the 'truth' about them, they may well be fabricated, but it must be admitted that the "prophecies" contained within are in good correlation with world events of the last century.

My sentiments exactly.

who gives a [Edited Out]? Some stupid jew book trying to spread zionist mentality. yuck! Blasphemy!

Hey, don't insult Judaism because of some zionist-compatible manifesto.

Muslims are not anti-jewish, we are anti-zionist (by default).

NB: I didn't use the term anti-semitic deliberately, because it is nonsensical to call muslims anti-semites.

Read these links and learn something:

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Was-Salaam

Edited by JawzofDETH

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according to my humble knowledge of the protocols the only remaining steps of the plan are 2:

1. open announcement of their world rulership & implementation of their totalitarian world order

2. their king to ascend the throne of world leadership

Allah knows best, and may He protect His believers.

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No, don't be guilty conscience, and find some strength in authentic history.

Protocols is not an eastern or islamic affair - we have nothing to do with it.

its between the khazars and russians. it was not written in arabic, persian, urdo, turkish, malay, indonesian etc.

of the two possible parties, i believe its by khazar zionists. the zionists were and are filthy rich. do you know billions with B ??? well money leads to lust for power. its a very logical and deterministic step in the absence of religion of Torah but instead religion of zionism and talmudic fabrications. It has repeated several times in their history. Zionist is not new. It was born the same time Judaism was born, the same time as the golden calf, the same time as prior to Nebuchadnezzer.

The zionist banksters most like are behind the protocols, and they would not loathe to consider themselves the elders of their nation, and they are the drivers of the events, the invisible hand. Its the materialistic , darwinist spirit with which they brought the technological revolution in germany and the united states, and saw the possibility for a numerically small nation to rise up in power. the experience was old in the colonies where a jew led the greedy or foolish profligate white to commit atrocities.

POLEZ is the product of a very intelligent mind - is for sure. One who had good understanding of macro-economics , practical individual psychology, mass pyschology, finance and administration, as well as international perspective. The Tzars proved to be incompetent and lost to the zionists (communists) who shot the last Tzar and his family in the basement. They or their agents could not have written it due to lower intelligence. Intelligence of this kind is not intrinsic faculty, it is motivated by satanic forces.

You missed my point, which is that Muslims have a reputation for not exactly being very fond of the Jews. The Protocols is also well known to be taken more seriously in Muslim countries than in the West. So a Muslims talking about this just reinforces sterotypes. There is no point asking about this anyway, since you will just be told it's a hoax by anyone who isn't a neo-nazi or a conspiracy theorist. There is plenty of information on the internet, no need to talk about this in real life to people who are just going to judge you for it.

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insightful: NOT zionists shot the last tsar:)...lolI it was the bolsheviks..and yes, some had jewish origins, but e.g. Stalin came from the orthodox church and some of them were ex-muslims. )the name "Safarov" tells a lot...) Guess what, the world is not black and white.

btw Nicholas II. was a murderer.

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There is a book called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to what extent is this book authentic, as there is a wide understanding for it being fabricated (also asked a history teacher who says it was fabricated)? Anyone got n e feeback ont his, if it is fabricated how is this possible when a large proportion of the content of this book is true or is becoming true>?

That book is nothing but Fascist Anti Semite Garbage. Whoever would believe that the Bolshevik Revolution was a Jewish conspiracy is as retarded as saying that the Islamist Revolution of Iran was an Arab Conspiracy.

insightful: NOT zionists shot the last tsar:)...lolI it was the bolsheviks..and yes, some had jewish origins, but e.g. Stalin came from the orthodox church and some of them were ex-muslims. )the name "Safarov" tells a lot...) Guess what, the world is not black and white.

btw Nicholas II. was a murderer.

What the hell are you talking about, the Most faithful of the Bolsheviks were Muslims. Their were Faithful and Religious practicing Bolshevik Muslims. The Muslims were treated like garbage under the Tsar and Kerensky. The Reds gave them religious freedom, but after Lenin died, Stalin banned Islam and became like the Tsar. It is a common Myth that Muslims and Communists are opposed.

Nicholas II was a horrible man, I'm glad he died.

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according to my humble knowledge of the protocols the only remaining steps of the plan are 2:

1. open announcement of their world rulership & implementation of their totalitarian world order

2. their king to ascend the throne of world leadership

Allah knows best, and may He protect His believers.

Allah help us.

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