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DID IMAAM ABU HANIFA STUDY FROM IMAAM JA'FAR AS-SAADIQ ??

Q: Imaam Abu Hanifa studied under Imaam Muhammad al-Baqir and Imam Jafar as-Sadiq . I would like to know if he received Ijaza from them. If you would please state the texts in which this can be found in it would be must appreciated.

Salaams

Answer:

Respected Brother-in-Islam

Assalaamu Alaykum

Regarding Imam Abu Hanifah's allegedly having studied under Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq, please be informed as follows:

Imam Abu Hanifah was the pupil and intellectual successor of his mentor, Hammad ibn Abi Sulayman, who was the successor to Ibrahim an-Nakha'i, who was the successor to his uncle 'Alqamah ibn Qays an-Nakha'i, who was the successor to Sayyiduna 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ud (radhiallaahu anhu), who was sent as a teacher to the city Kufah by Amir al-Mu'minin Sayyiduna 'Umar ibn al-Khattab. This chain of intellectual descent is known to anyone knowledgeable of the legislative history of Islam.

In fact, Imam Abu Hanifah held his discourses at the very same place in the Masjid of Kufah where Ibn Mas'ud (radhiallaahu anhu) used to teach. This teaching circle was passed down generation after generation, by the men whose names you have just read: From Ibn Mas'ud to 'Alqamah; from 'Alqamah to Ibrahim; from Ibrahim to Hammad; and ultimately from Hammad to Abu Hanifah, after whom it was occupied by three of his students successively: firstly Zufar ibn Hudhayl; then Abu Yusuf; and then Muhammad ibn al-Hasan.

Now, regarding the link between Abu Hanifah and Ja'far as-Sadiq, you need to keep in mind the following:

FIRSTLY

Imam Abu Hanifah was born in the year 80 AH

Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq was born in the year 83 AH

In other words, not only were they contemporaries; but Abu Hanifah was 3 years older than Ja'far as-Sadiq.

SECONDLY

Imam Abu Hanifah's education took place in Kufah, in the school originally established by Ibn Mas'ud. Like other 'ulama of his time, he used to go to Hijaz for Hajj, and passing through Madinah, he used to benefit from the knowledge of eminent men of learning, such as the father of Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq, namely Imam Muhammad al-Baqir. Many of the ahaadith he narrates from Imam Muhammad al-Baqir are documented in the books of his pupils Abu Yusuf and Muhammad ibn al-Hasan.

THIRDLY

It is true that Imam Abu Hanifah does narrate some ahadith from Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq. But that was according to the habit of the 'ulama to narrate from even their contemporaries. If that alone is to be taken as evidence that Imam Abu Hanifah "studied" under Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq, then we will be bound to conclude that Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq similarly learnt from people other than his father, such as Ibn Shihab az-Zuhri, 'Ata ibn Abi Rabah, 'Urwah ibn Zubayr and Muhammad ibn al-Munkadir. Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq has narrated hadith from all of these men, and even others besides them. (Tahdhib al-Kamal vol. 5 p. 75)

FOURTHLY

In the year 132 the Abbasids came to power, having ousted the Umayyads. Abu Hanifah was then 52 years of age. The Abbasid khalifah Abu Ja'far al-Mansur wanted Abu Hanifah as his Chief Justice, which post he refused. In order to escape the vengeance of the khalifah, Abu Hanifah betook himself to the Hijaz where he spent the next 2 years. It is in terms of this sojourn in the Hijaz that he is reported to have said, "Were it not for the 2 years, Nu'man (i.e. Abu Hanifah) would have been destroyed". Creative Shi'i imaginations would have us believe that what he actually meant thereby was that it was during this period that he gained his knowledge at the feet of Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq. The absurdity of this can be seen from the fact that by that time he was already so famous as a man of learning, that he was sought by the khalifah as the Chief Justice. Apart from that, he was, as already shown, over 50 years of age.

FIFTHLY

There is a famous story in circulation about Imam Ja'far as-Sadiq posing certain questions to Imam Abu Hanifah regarding the use of Qiyas (analogy). You should be informed that the story appears in this form in Shi'i books such as al-Kafi. In the Sunni literature it appears with significant changes.

First of all, the discussion is not between Abu Hanifah and Ja'far as-Sadiq, but between Abu Hanifah and Muhammad al-Baqir.

Secondly, the story goes as follows:

Al-Baqir asks Abu Hanifah if he is the one who is changing the Deen of his (al-Baqir's) grandfather (Rasulullah sallallahu `alayhi wasallam) through the use of Qiyas. Abu Hanifah denies that he is changing the Deen. In order to demonstrate the falsehood of the rumours, he then goes on his knees in front of Imam al-Baqir and uses the comparison between, (1) the share of a man and a woman in the spoils of war; (2) fasting and prayer with regard to a woman in menstruation having to pay in the former and not the latter; (3) urine and semen in respect of the method of purification for either one.

After this lucid demonstration of his usage of Qiyas only where there is no textual evidence, and strictly adhering to the authority of text where it exists, Imam Muhammad al-Baqir stands up and kisses Imam Abu Hanifah on his forehead. (Manaqib Abi Hanifah by al-Kardari, p. 99)

It was only later that the Shi'ah would adapt the story to suit their own particular needs.

Shaykh Taha Karaan

Darul Uloom al-Arabiyya al-Islaamiyyah, Western Cape (SA)

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there is no point in this debate........it is well known (take it from a sunni) that Abu Hanifah..did infact learn from Imam Jafar.......and it is well known that all sunnis respect and revere Imam Jafar as a great scholar and pious man.....i really don't understand where the debate is?

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not only that, its a chain when it comes to fiqas.

imam noman abu hanifa good his knowledge from

hazrat ata

hazrat imam jaadar saadiq

mohammad ibn ali sulayman

imam ikrama

and 93 badri soldiers and other talba tabiyeen.

it is also said and proven that Thabit, the father of imam abu hanifa met hazrat ali (ra) where he made a dua for him to be given a son. and that was imam abu hanifa

imam jaafar teached too imam abu hanifa it was necesarry couse imam jaafar saadiq were from the household, and the hadiths and sunnah from there were also necesarry. so imam abu hanifa got his knowledge from both the sahabas, talba tabiyeen and the household of prophet mohammad (saww) .

note

hazrat imam jaafar saadiq and imam noman abu hanifa were both poisoned in the prison during the time of the abbasid khalif Al-Mansur.

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the chain goes like this

hazrat imam jaafar saadiq (ra)

hazrat imam noman abu hanifa (ra)

hazrat imam malik (ra)

hazrat imam shafei (ra)

hazrat imam ahmad hanbal (ra)

just like a sufi order or if you look at the shia imami line, the knowledge continues. this way these imams also saved the information and knowledge. so during imam ahmad hanbals time, imam bukhari and imam muslim wrote down these narrations and hadiths.

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(salam)

Think this "imam Hanifa learned from Imam Ja3far(as)" reasoning was started because it will lead to the fact that we should follow the teacher and not the student... as I think brother Logic pointed out rather harshly :)

Wassalaam (Peace be upon you)

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^^ according to the ithna asharis, imam jaafar is the 6th imam. the imami line hadnt fulfilled. yet the words of imam musa kazim had to come, same to ali rida , hassan askari, ali hadi and imam mahdi. the shia doctrine was not fulfilled. islam were only ONE at that time. the khalifates of ummaya didnt support it they harrased the followers of sunnah which were performed by those who supported the ahle bait and the household of prophet mohammad. DONT NECESARRY HAS TO BE SHIAS. at that time, muslims simply were muslims, couse the leaders were kaafirs. except some men as muawiya II who was the son of yazid, but he werent as his father, same goes to umar II who has huge reputaion within the muslim. but when the shia sunni doctrine came. it was after the death of imam jaafar saadiq and imam noman abu hanifa. after theyr death. islam got separated in this way

some abbasid claiphs took the side of the heretic sect mutazila. they were against the sunnis.

the mutazila caliphs came after caliph haroon rashid.

heres the list

Al-mamun

Al-Mustasim

Al-Wathik

then the sunni won the track, and the first caliph who joined sunni after the imams were caliph Al-Mutawwakill

this gave sunnism strong ground. whole ithna asharis were weakened by the mutazila caliphas murdering on the imams.

this separated the later imams from both the ahle sunnah and the ithna ashari faiths so they were apart from some juridistic discuttions. made some changes and the sects arose...

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(salam) brother Morg

Contrary to what you have posted.. I have read that the shia3 orginated in the battle of Jamal where Hadrat Ali(as)'s side was called shia3-ne-Ali [followers/party of Ali(as)].. it is inherent in our belief system that we are to follow the path that the Ahlul bait and the Imams that came after left for us. I also read that after the Prophet (saw) passed away, there were two seperate sects that were created, one was the salafies (earlier muslims), and the other was the people who followed Hadrat Ali(as). The other four sects (Hanafies, Sha3fies, Malikies and Hanbalies) came 60 or so years after the passing away of the Prophet(saw). Now, if all this is correct, then what you said about people who followed the Ahlul bait during the time of Imam Jafir(as) were indeed shia3-ne-Ali.. because thats what it means.. follower of Ali(as). Look brother, you have the closest ideology to shi3ism.. however.. if you take sahih bukhari as your source of hadith.. then you have been provided with the corrupt version of the Ahlul Bait (except for the hadith of mubahila and iyah tatheer). There were clashes between the Ahlul bait and some of the sahabas very often and I think YOU should do justice to what is correct. :)

Wassalaam (Peace be upon you)

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^^ brother think of this

shiat ali. means party of ali, at that time, the imamate of 12 wasnt complete. it was even so that when the first abbasid claiph came to power. many shiat alis claimed he were the mahdi. so if you see the doctrine werent complete. the 12th imami line werent so famous or accepted by the people.

then we say shiat ali , is the party of ali, only as a political party. the salafay or the sahabas you mention had close contact with the household. in that case. the supporters of the caliphates of ummaya and abbasids were not any of them, they were neither early salafys or shiat alis.

thereby shiat ali and salafy are two political groups. which developed AFTER the coming of the imams in both shia and sunni islam.

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(salam)

thereby shiat ali and salafy are two political groups. which developed AFTER the coming of the imams in both shia and sunni islam.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Political maybe.. but was politics so different from religion back then??... I think those shia3 that were there BEFORE the 'line' of the imams was "complete" would still have believed in the 12 imams... just like the shia3 today do even though the line remains 'incomplete'.

Wassalaam (Peace be upon you)

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so Morq did Jafar Sadiq (as) claim to be a divinely appointed imam or not?

if you believe he didnt then what you are saying makes sense but i really dont understand sunnis who believe he claimed to be imam and claim to follow him yet remain sunni

the wahabbi position really is more logical, they admit he was the shiite imam and they hate him for it. theyre nasibis but at least they dont hold contradictory beliefs

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^^ pardon me, we are also followers of imam jaafar. and s i said earlier sufis and sunnis had the same origin from the khalifa rasheduun and the imami line to imam jaafar saadiq. the quraish had close relations to it, intermarriages werent of no reason.

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bro i dont think you understood my point, perhaps i didnt put it across very well

do you believe Jafar Sadiq (as) was a divinely appointed imam?

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the sunni as well as the wahabi's hold Imam Jafar as a great islamic scholar and teacher.......someone who did a lot for the deen.....just like any other great scholar(s) who have passed before and after him....there is no divine intervention.......whatsoever (at least that is the sunni thinking)

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i think only the minority of wahabbis respect him

and there are sunnis who respect him but at the same time admit he was the shia imam which makes no sense to me, if they really respect him why dont they become shia?

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