Why can’t there be an Alliance?

[Guest USA_Brown_ShiaMuslim]

Just watched this YouTube Channel Skeptic Muslim where one of his videos is this where he discusses to a Shia Muslim individual named Hassan al-Qadri for why can’t there be an alliance between Sunnis and Shiasz

https://youtu.be/Z2fWQeki0hw

The video seems OK at first though I have my doubts regarding Hassan al-Qadri’s credentials as he comes across a bit too much of an extremist no different from Salaafi Sunnis.

I get that there is a division between the Shia Muslim Ummah where some of them curse/insult the faithless disloyal hypocrites amongst those whom the Sunnis attribute such people as Sahaabas of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).

While others, in this case the majority, are satisfied with their evidences that the Theological Doctrine of Adalat as-Sahaaba (Justice for All Companions) of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah is similar to Trinity Doctrine in a sense that both doctrines are not guaranteed confirmation in their own respective Holy Books. The Bible does not support the Trinity. And The Quran does not support the Adalat as-Sahaaba.

Therefore, these Shias practice the discernment&disassociate method amongst the Sahaabas for who were faithful/loyal to Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and who were faithless/disloyal/hypocritical where they betrayed Muhammad’s (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) trust and therefor Shia Muslims disassociate from them along with anyone that dares to emulate the likes of them. The same is also applicable for the Wives of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) where some of them failed to live up to Surah Al Ahzab 33:32-33 as commandments. Thus, such Wives of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) are not worthy of emulating for the interests of Shia Muslims where their fates are similar to the Wife of Prophet Noah (عليه السلام) and Wife of Prophet Lot (عليه السلام).

All in all, I see more of an emphasis where Shias discern amongst the Sahaabas of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and disassociate themselves from the faithless/disloyal/hypocrites along with anyone from the Muslim Ummah that dares to emulate them. Same as well for some of the Wives of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).

I think the video is OK at getting the points across for why there can’t be an alliance between the Sunnis and Shias.

However, the video is flawed where I think there should’ve been another Shia Muslim being interviewed just as much as Hassan al-Qadri to see a different perspective as Hassan al-Qadri’s views comes across too extremist.

What are your thoughts?

[Panzerwaffe]

They can be fair weather friends yes but nothing more 

[Abu Nur]

On 4/2/2026 at 10:38 PM, Guest USA_Brown_ShiaMuslim said:

Hassan al-Qadri’s views comes across too extremist.

 

No, it is that Western Muslims have been brainwashed and became too lenient that looking at normal Shias viewpoint as an extremist. Hassan al-Qadri viewpoint represent the Shia beliefs.

[Guest USA_Brown_ShiaMuslim]

14 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

No, it is that Western Muslims have been brainwashed and became too lenient that looking at normal Shias viewpoint as an extremist. Hassan al-Qadri viewpoint represent the Shia beliefs.

But is Hassan al-Qadri’s viewpoint regarding Shia beliefs within the realm of mainstream traditional Shia Islamic consensus aka Twelver Shia Islam? Are his viewpoints really in line within the Jafari Fiqh of Jurisprudence?

Cause when it comes to cursing the faithless/disloyal/hypocritical people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas (be they Muhaajir or Ansaar doesn’t matter) who have betrayed Muhammad (SAW)’s trust, I am informed not to curse such people openly in front of a Muslim community. However I can curse them behind closed doors within the privacy of my homes though this is optional.

Don’t the Ayatollahs such as Sistani emphasize not cursing the faithless/disloyal/hypocritical people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas in general?

Instead just practice Disassociation towards such people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas, practice Disassociation towards the Muslim Ummah that dares to emulate the likes of such people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas, and remain firm in the Shia stance against the Sunnis of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah regarding the doctrine of Adalat al-Sahaaba as a False Doctrine that is not supported in the Quran and is one of the main underlying reasons for why their interpretation of Sahaabas is so loose/broad/flimsy that it is promoting Hypocrisy and Corruption throughout the Muslim Ummah for 1400 years.

Case in point

https://www.shiacentral.com/post/adalat-al-sahaba-introduction

Al-Islam.org a Twelver Shia Islamic Website, has only a video about this by Sayyed Muhammad Hassan Alsheraa

https://al-islam.org/media/adalat-al-sahaba-justice-companions-theory-3rd-muharram-14422020

However there is no well researched books from a Shia Islamic Scholar refuting the Adalat al-Sahaaba doctrine.

Theological Alliance I’ll concede that this is impossible between the Sunnis and Shias given how vastly different the understanding of Sahaabas, Ahlul-Bayt, Wives of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), and Imamate are that the difference is night and day.

However, there can be a Political Alliance between the Sunnis and Shias if both sides have the same enemy.

Sadly I don’t even see this Political Alliance in a grander scale between the Sunnis and Shias. Seems like Sunnis of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah throughout West Asia and worldwide would much rather pledge their allegiance to Zionism and Evangelicalism if it means complete genocide of Shia Muslims worldwide for their interests.

[Mediterranean Alawite]

On 4/23/2026 at 9:33 AM, Guest USA_Brown_ShiaMuslim said:

However, there can be a Political Alliance between the Sunnis and Shias if both sides have the same enemy.

Sadly I don’t even see this Political Alliance in a grander scale between the Sunnis and Shias. Seems like Sunnis of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah throughout West Asia and worldwide would much rather pledge their allegiance to Zionism and Evangelicalism if it means complete genocide of Shia Muslims worldwide for their interests.

100%.

No doubt the Shia viewpoint in terms of religion is far different from that of the Sunnis.

But look at the world today. Does it matter?

Israel, the US, Europe, and their allies are all against us... and we're discussing whether or not we should have an alliance??? Instead of making enemies with each other for no reason (eg by cursing particular people in public - as mentioned, this should be a private thing), why don't we focus on working together for a mutually beneficial end?

The stupidity of some egocentric Muslims amazes me.

[Abu Hassanain]

On 4/22/2026 at 6:33 PM, Guest USA_Brown_ShiaMuslim said:

But is Hassan al-Qadri’s viewpoint regarding Shia beliefs within the realm of mainstream traditional Shia Islamic consensus aka Twelver Shia Islam? Are his viewpoints really in line within the Jafari Fiqh of Jurisprudence?

Cause when it comes to cursing the faithless/disloyal/hypocritical people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas (be they Muhaajir or Ansaar doesn’t matter) who have betrayed Muhammad (SAW)’s trust, I am informed not to curse such people openly in front of a Muslim community. However I can curse them behind closed doors within the privacy of my homes though this is optional.

Don’t the Ayatollahs such as Sistani emphasize not cursing the faithless/disloyal/hypocritical people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas in general?

Instead just practice Disassociation towards such people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas, practice Disassociation towards the Muslim Ummah that dares to emulate the likes of such people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas, and remain firm in the Shia stance against the Sunnis of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah regarding the doctrine of Adalat al-Sahaaba as a False Doctrine that is not supported in the Quran and is one of the main underlying reasons for why their interpretation of Sahaabas is so loose/broad/flimsy that it is promoting Hypocrisy and Corruption throughout the Muslim Ummah for 1400 years.

Case in point

https://www.shiacentral.com/post/adalat-al-sahaba-introduction

Al-Islam.org a Twelver Shia Islamic Website, has only a video about this by Sayyed Muhammad Hassan Alsheraa

https://al-islam.org/media/adalat-al-sahaba-justice-companions-theory-3rd-muharram-14422020

However there is no well researched books from a Shia Islamic Scholar refuting the Adalat al-Sahaaba doctrine.

Theological Alliance I’ll concede that this is impossible between the Sunnis and Shias given how vastly different the understanding of Sahaabas, Ahlul-Bayt, Wives of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), and Imamate are that the difference is night and day.

However, there can be a Political Alliance between the Sunnis and Shias if both sides have the same enemy.

Sadly I don’t even see this Political Alliance in a grander scale between the Sunnis and Shias. Seems like Sunnis of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah throughout West Asia and worldwide would much rather pledge their allegiance to Zionism and Evangelicalism if it means complete genocide of Shia Muslims worldwide for their interests.

Salam

The differences into theology for the most part are too much to unite

They will work with us politically when they see us as strong because most of their cultures respect strength, but the first chance they get many would stab in the back

We help oppressed people of Palestine and those same people here in the Palestine community most disbeliever to our face. They’re a little bit more respectful right now because Iran is resisting the whole world, but it’s respectful strength not reality.

There may be individuals from other people who sincere respect for us and can agree to different disagreement is a whole that currently is not the case

What we say, and I’m not saying go curse right in front of them, but our commentary is on the Quran our book narration, art, theological books all indicate that the three leaders they love the majority of companions, and the majority of the wives are disbelievers who are in hellfire . Just like it is so hard for us to stomach their belief that Sayyid Abu Talib as is in hellfire and the majority of their belief that the holy prophet, peace, and blessing be upon him  parents are in hellfire 

Even when we compromise or don’t mention things, they still want more and they don’t compromise on anything when we have unity events they can come to our places they would never hold a unity function at their places

This is the current reality on the site only the utopian viewpoint and I wish some luck with that, but that’s not the real reality on the ground

wallahu Alam 

[AbdusSibtayn]

On 4/3/2026 at 1:08 AM, Guest USA_Brown_ShiaMuslim said:

Just watched this YouTube Channel Skeptic Muslim where one of his videos is this where he discusses to a Shia Muslim individual named Hassan al-Qadri for why can’t there be an alliance between Sunnis and Shiasz

https://youtu.be/Z2fWQeki0hw

The video seems OK at first though I have my doubts regarding Hassan al-Qadri’s credentials as he comes across a bit too much of an extremist no different from Salaafi Sunnis.

I get that there is a division between the Shia Muslim Ummah where some of them curse/insult the faithless disloyal hypocrites amongst those whom the Sunnis attribute such people as Sahaabas of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).

While others, in this case the majority, are satisfied with their evidences that the Theological Doctrine of Adalat as-Sahaaba (Justice for All Companions) of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah is similar to Trinity Doctrine in a sense that both doctrines are not guaranteed confirmation in their own respective Holy Books. The Bible does not support the Trinity. And The Quran does not support the Adalat as-Sahaaba.

Therefore, these Shias practice the discernment&disassociate method amongst the Sahaabas for who were faithful/loyal to Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and who were faithless/disloyal/hypocritical where they betrayed Muhammad’s (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) trust and therefor Shia Muslims disassociate from them along with anyone that dares to emulate the likes of them. The same is also applicable for the Wives of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) where some of them failed to live up to Surah Al Ahzab 33:32-33 as commandments. Thus, such Wives of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) are not worthy of emulating for the interests of Shia Muslims where their fates are similar to the Wife of Prophet Noah (عليه السلام) and Wife of Prophet Lot (عليه السلام).

All in all, I see more of an emphasis where Shias discern amongst the Sahaabas of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and disassociate themselves from the faithless/disloyal/hypocrites along with anyone from the Muslim Ummah that dares to emulate them. Same as well for some of the Wives of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم).

I think the video is OK at getting the points across for why there can’t be an alliance between the Sunnis and Shias.

However, the video is flawed where I think there should’ve been another Shia Muslim being interviewed just as much as Hassan al-Qadri to see a different perspective as Hassan al-Qadri’s views comes across too extremist.

What are your thoughts?

 

On 4/23/2026 at 5:03 AM, Guest USA_Brown_ShiaMuslim said:

But is Hassan al-Qadri’s viewpoint regarding Shia beliefs within the realm of mainstream traditional Shia Islamic consensus aka Twelver Shia Islam? Are his viewpoints really in line within the Jafari Fiqh of Jurisprudence?

Cause when it comes to cursing the faithless/disloyal/hypocritical people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas (be they Muhaajir or Ansaar doesn’t matter) who have betrayed Muhammad (SAW)’s trust, I am informed not to curse such people openly in front of a Muslim community. However I can curse them behind closed doors within the privacy of my homes though this is optional.

Don’t the Ayatollahs such as Sistani emphasize not cursing the faithless/disloyal/hypocritical people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas in general?

Instead just practice Disassociation towards such people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas, practice Disassociation towards the Muslim Ummah that dares to emulate the likes of such people that Sunnis attribute as Sahaabas, and remain firm in the Shia stance against the Sunnis of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah regarding the doctrine of Adalat al-Sahaaba as a False Doctrine that is not supported in the Quran and is one of the main underlying reasons for why their interpretation of Sahaabas is so loose/broad/flimsy that it is promoting Hypocrisy and Corruption throughout the Muslim Ummah for 1400 years.

Case in point

https://www.shiacentral.com/post/adalat-al-sahaba-introduction

Al-Islam.org a Twelver Shia Islamic Website, has only a video about this by Sayyed Muhammad Hassan Alsheraa

https://al-islam.org/media/adalat-al-sahaba-justice-companions-theory-3rd-muharram-14422020

However there is no well researched books from a Shia Islamic Scholar refuting the Adalat al-Sahaaba doctrine.

Theological Alliance I’ll concede that this is impossible between the Sunnis and Shias given how vastly different the understanding of Sahaabas, Ahlul-Bayt, Wives of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), and Imamate are that the difference is night and day.

However, there can be a Political Alliance between the Sunnis and Shias if both sides have the same enemy.

Sadly I don’t even see this Political Alliance in a grander scale between the Sunnis and Shias. Seems like Sunnis of the Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamaah throughout West Asia and worldwide would much rather pledge their allegiance to Zionism and Evangelicalism if it means complete genocide of Shia Muslims worldwide for their interests.

In what sense exactly is Ustaadh Hassan an 'extremist'? If anything, he and the team at the 'Purified Truth' channel (such as Sayyid Ali Abu'l Hassan) are the gold-standard when it comes to orthodox Twelver Shi'i aqeedah. 

No marja' has forbidden cursing of and dissociation from the enemies of the Ahl al-Bayt (ams). They rather encourage the recitation of Ziyarat Ashura and other ziyaraat and adi'aat which involve la'an upon and bara'ah from the enemies of the holy household. What you're not allowed to do is insult/abuse/denigration (sabb) and publicly curse individuals held as sacred by other sects because it causes strife and evil.  However, what we do within the privacy of our four walls is between us and Allah, no one else is required to poke his nose into it. If you can access Arabic, there's a concept called 'taqiyyah mudarati'; you may be interested in reading more about it. 'The scholars have forbidden cursing certain personalities' is a falsehood and a half-truth which has been spread by certain ignorant people who don't understand their fatawa and certain vested interests to misguide the Shia laity. Tawalla and Tabarra are pillars of faith for us. There's a time and place and a manner in which things are to be done, that's about it.

What do you mean by there's no well-researched book refuting Adalat al-Sahabah? The discussion doesn't necessarily merit an entire book dedicated to it. That said, scholars have dedicated significant efforts refuting it- there are dedicated lecture series by Sayyid Ali Abu'l Hassan in Arabic and Sayyid Shahbaz Naqvi Isfahani and Sayyid Abu Imad Haydari in Urdu. Every other Shi'i tafsir rebuts the attempts to use Qur'anic verses such as verse 100 of Surat Tawbah to argue for adalat al-sahabah. I believe there are even sections in the Third Martyr, ash-Shaheed Qadi Sayyid Nurullah al-Husayni al-Shustari's 'Ihqaq al-Haqq', in Allamah Majlisi's 'Haqq al-Yaqeen', and in Sayyid Sa'eed al-Hakim's 'al-Rihaab fi'l Aqeedah' refuting this belief (all in Arabic). Although I concede that material in English is lacking. 

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10 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Tawalla and Tabarra are pillars of faith for us.

Salam. Yes. 

https://al-islam.org/philosophy-islamic-laws-naser-makarem-shirazi-jafar-subhani/question-101-tawalla-and-tabarra

[Mediterranean Alawite]

On 5/9/2026 at 3:04 PM, AbdusSibtayn said:

within the privacy of our four walls

I believe that's crucial.

Tawalla and tabarra are indeed, obviously and undeniably, pillars of our deen. And as you correctly stated, there's a time and a place.

Not only have the scholars forbidden it publicly, but the Ahlulbayt themselves (عليهم السلام) forbade it for our own safety and security. And in this day and age, the only thing it achieves is sectarian division, the last thing we need right now. The world, including the sunnis, are seeing how the shia of Iran are standing up to the Zionist pedophiles in the West. Many of them, including Palestinians, are converting and professing علي ولي الله. At this turning point, why would we turn them away? It's crucial we welcome them with open arms as brothers in faith. No matter what their Wahhabi da3eshi scholars teach them, we should remember that many of them are ignorant laymen open to the truth.

Excessive public tabarra only turns them away, divides the 'Ummah', and does the enemy's job for them.

[Ahmad10]

On 4/22/2026 at 4:44 PM, Abu Nur said:

No, it is that Western Muslims have been brainwashed and became too lenient that looking at normal Shias viewpoint as an extremist. Hassan al-Qadri viewpoint represent the Shia beliefs.

Herein you have answered the question of why we can't unite, or at the very least, why unity is going to be very difficult.

[Abu Nur]

5 hours ago, Ahmad10 said:

Herein you have answered the question of why we can't unite, or at the very least, why unity is going to be very difficult.

We can not unite as how Muslims should unite because of our own Ego and we can not see beyond our desires and passions. 

Edited May 12 by Abu Nur