Patriotism in western countries as a muslim.

[rammy]

I'm american and support american interest as a muslim revert. I love the freedom my country gives me with the understanding that it's not perfect. How do you feel about a muslim supporting a western country especially the U.S.. I do not support the conflict in Iran.

[notme]

I like the idea, but it has never worked in real life. Rich folk been running things for their benefit from the outset and without pause. They talk big but the actions have not matched the words.  

[AbdusSibtayn]

22 hours ago, rammy said:

I'm american and support american interest as a muslim revert. I love the freedom my country gives me with the understanding that it's not perfect. How do you feel about a muslim supporting a western country especially the U.S.. I do not support the conflict in Iran.

A 'Muslim' who has even an ounce of affection for the pedophile, human-trafficking Harbi Kafir* empire directly behind the genocide of my fellow-Muslims and Mu'mins in Iraq, Iran, Lebanon and Palestine, the occupation and desecration of my first qibla at Jerusalem and my shrine-cities in Iraq and Syria, and the assassination/murder of my religious leaders is not a Muslim in my eyes.

'American interests' in my lived reality is the occupation, genocide, mass rape and pillage of resources in Muslim lands, with or without the aid of their diabolical Jewish allies.

I will neither greet nor respond to the salams of such a 'Muslim', will not eat with/from him, nor pray with/behind him; he is najis (ritually impure) for me and outside the pale of belief.

يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لَا تَتَّخِذُواْ ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّخَذُواْ دِينَكُمۡ هُزُوٗا وَلَعِبٗا مِّنَ ٱلَّذِينَ أُوتُواْ ٱلۡكِتَٰبَ مِن قَبۡلِكُمۡ وَٱلۡكُفَّارَ أَوۡلِيَآءَۚ وَٱتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤۡمِنِينَ

'O you who have believed, take not as friends and guardians those who have taken your religion in ridicule and amusement among the ones who were given the Scripture before you, nor among the idolaters, and fear Allah, if you should [truly] be believers.'
al-Ma'idah, Verse 57

*Harbi Kuffar- the intransigent infidels who are at war with Islam and Muslims

Edited March 30 by AbdusSibtayn

[realizm]

On 3/29/2026 at 9:22 PM, rammy said:

I'm american and support american interest as a muslim revert. I love the freedom my country gives me with the understanding that it's not perfect. How do you feel about a muslim supporting a western country especially the U.S.. I do not support the conflict in Iran.

Well I will not be as bold as brother @AbdusSibtayn, but what do you actually mean by "US interests"?

If that's liberty of enterprise, freedom of speech, having cheap gas. Then why not, but that's not something limited to the US or the US model. 

If that's promotion of the US lifestyle, economic and political hegemony, one-way relationships and alliances, voting for renown pedophiles, condoning slavery and mass murdering of natives to justify your great heritage... Then obviously you are on the side of what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) calls Taghout and you become affiliated by adhering to that system.

[rammy]

On 4/12/2026 at 3:19 AM, realizm said:

Well I will not be as bold as brother @AbdusSibtayn, but what do you actually mean by "US interests"?

If that's liberty of enterprise, freedom of speech, having cheap gas. Then why not, but that's not something limited to the US or the US model. 

If that's promotion of the US lifestyle, economic and political hegemony, one-way relationships and alliances, voting for renown pedophiles, condoning slavery and mass murdering of natives to justify your great heritage... Then obviously you are on the side of what Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) calls Taghout and you become affiliated by adhering to that system.

I just mean im interested in what will make the country better in a general way.

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam

I wanted to avoid this topic but I’m gonna post my thoughts. The US gives a lot of social Wellfare benefits. Many people are able to travel by healthy food get medical it’s not as good as it was during the FDR through Johnson era but it’s better than a lot of other places.

Many of the so-called Islamic countries even the ones with vast amounts of wealth do not spend money on project Housing do not spend money on Foodstamps do not spend money and medical do not have free, secondary education, etc.

The US is becoming more Third World in terms of politics behavior, and with the debt and tax cuts to the wealthy benefits, could go down in the future

If you can combined all the subsidized programs together, can budget money and avoid modern luxuries you can live decent. Most of the people don’t have the budgeting skills or education to do that.

The countries that do a better job than the US tend to be small smaller with only 5 to 30,000,000 people being the Scandinavian countries and some European countries

These Islamic world once led in social Wellfare programs and taking care of its people having healthcare, universal basic income, food allowance, marriage existence, etc. since the 1300s, unfortunately we have been in decline

Most probably China will be the rising superpower for whatever reason the Mongoloid or Asiatic race, lacks empathy compared to the Caucasoid and Negroid race in general, not always, but I don’t see Asian cultures if they became a superpower taken care of their own people I know a lot of people from India, the situation and mentality in India’s horrendous

So as Muslims, we generally don’t agree with the US is foreign policy and that’s unlikely to ever change. We should focus as much as we can on domestic policy and as people living here what makes domestic policy bad for the average citizen

As far as the narration love of homeland is part of faith that is mostly weak or considered fabricated

If there is somewhere better, people should immigrate there. The problem is a lot of the countries people would like to go to will not accept you will give you no benefit benefits, and you will never be a citizen or equal.

Sayyid Hussayn Qazwini does a very good job of explaining this and a few of his videos 

this is an issue that is more nuanced than most people understand it’s not black-and-white everything about the western countries is bad. Everything about the eastern countries is good. The older you get especially people who have a family shoulder and you unfortunately see that there is no perfect situation.

In the entire history of Islam, we had 15 years of pure Islamic government 10 years in Medina and five years in Iraq under the first three infallible leaders being the holy prophet, the commander of the faithful and the successor of the successor, peaceful on them

Honorable mention to one year under Mukhtar and 10 years under Khumanyi 

Everything else is people trying to do the best or just dealing with the situation at hand

For instance, I even as a clergymen go to the Middle East. I cannot buy a house. I cannot access government healthcare, even it’d be very difficult to access paid healthcare and paid education in many of the countries.

So all the domestic situation in America is not perfect. It is better than a lot of places.

Is not in Iran, Iraq, Saudi, India, China, Russia, Europe, or America our hope is in the coming of Al Mahdi as we await his kingdom and his government and we work towards it coming

Guardianship of the juris, Islamic socialism, religious socialism, pluralistic, and humanistic, socialism, compassionate, capitalism, etc. are all placeholders to deal with the realities on the ground while we wait to achieve the ideal

This is probably going to offend some people, but it’s a 36-year-old man who finish 13 years of seminary nine years ago and had been teaching at the various levels. He studied that and who has been married 16 years with a 14-year-old this is my much more very adult perspective than when I was a teenager.

wallahu Alam 

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam

it’s an obligation to praise when something good is done and you condemn when something evil is done and to call the leadership to guidance and to pray they be guided and to curse the tyrant

wallahu Alam 

[Abu Hassanain]

36 minutes ago, rammy said:

I just mean im interested in what will make the country better in a general way.

Salam

it’s a differentiate and explain better, which means say domestic interest what is good for the general population what benefits the average people the continuation of social benefits or I support unions I support people being able to buy a home I support people’s livelihood not being taken because the new government takes power or new fraction gets selected, etc. be more specific so people know what you mean 

Once a man said in front of the sixth may Harun Rashid life be prolonged the guide said what do you mean? Why do you speak so he is a tyrant the person said he owes me 100 camels. I pray he lives long enough to pay me back. He said even saying this for a tyrant is not permissible.
 

We hope the social safety that told that we’re able to benefit take care of our families be healthy, promote the faith, travel, etc. but our ultimate goal is the coming of the masters kingdom

wallahu Alam 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

On 3/29/2026 at 3:22 PM, rammy said:

I'm american and support american interest as a muslim revert. I love the freedom my country gives me with the understanding that it's not perfect. How do you feel about a muslim supporting a western country especially the U.S.. I do not support the conflict in Iran.

As revert and American myself, supporting American interests in a time like this, means being ok with or supporting the conflict in Iran. If you do not support the conflict in Iran, then you do not support American interests. 

On 4/14/2026 at 3:23 PM, rammy said:

I just mean im interested in what will make the country better in a general way.

That is drastically different from what "supporting American interests" means. 

On 4/14/2026 at 3:58 PM, Abu Hassanain said:

n the Mongoloid or Asiatic race, lacks empathy compared to the Caucasoid and Negroid race in general, not always, but I don’t see Asian cultures if they became a superpower taken care of their own people I know a lot of people from India, the situation and mentality in India’s horrendous

Unfortunately, these kinds of views are one of the many reason  why we have Zionism. This is against Islam, there is no reason to ever believe this, Shaykhna. We all descend from one man, answer to one God and bleed the same color. 

[Revert1963]

On 3/29/2026 at 9:22 PM, rammy said:

I'm american and support american interest as a muslim revert. I love the freedom my country gives me with the understanding that it's not perfect. How do you feel about a muslim supporting a western country especially the U.S.. I do not support the conflict in Iran.

The liberal "freedom" that westerns regimes love to flash and dust of on celebratory occasions is not the freedom of the human being. On the contrary. It is the freedom of the desire from the limits that religion puts on it. Western liberalism want to let desire chain the human being to the hamster wheel of capitalism, making them run ever faster chasing an insatiable desire for the pleasures of this world. So when ever they talk about freedom it is just a propaganda platitude.

I may take sides with my country when the president of the USA want to annexe Greenland, but I have no love for the regimes in the collective west. I think that the best a patriot can do is to Is to make sure that ones country always stand on the side of justice and moral values. I don't see any western country do that. Only Iran.

[rammy]

On 4/16/2026 at 3:19 AM, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Unfortunately, these kinds of views are one of the many reason  why we have Zionism. This is against Islam, there is no reason to ever believe this, Shaykhna. We all descend from one man, answer to one God and bleed the same color. 

agreed

[ServantOfMahdi]

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا كُونُوا قَوَّامِينَ بِالْقِسْطِ شُهَدَاءَ لِلَّهِ وَلَوْ عَلَىٰ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَوِ الْوَالِدَيْنِ وَالْأَقْرَبِينَ

(Transliteration: Yā ayyuha-lladhīna āmanū kūnū qawwāmīna bil-qisṭi shuhadā’a lillāhi walaw ‘alā anfusikum awil-wālidayni wal-aqrabīn)

“O you who believe! Stand firmly for justice, as witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your close relatives…”

— Sūrah an-Nisā’, 4:135