Interesting ayah

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam

ayah 72 73 of Sura ahzab

A good deal of the commentators and the majority of the lake community. Think he’s versus referred to the 14 team or their followers.
 

It’s problematic because the words zalim and jahl are used which cannot be for the 14 and by virtue of their obedience in the way they used don’t refer to their followers

Somebody had to agree to maytr have the best individual ever to walk the face of the Earth that was the trust that they were impressive, ignorant, and stupid for accepting

It’s mentioned in reality of certainty, possibly the commentary of the 11th. I’d have to look.

Satan was weeping for being expelled from paradise. The Lord cried out or Satan oh my worship her do you want to see two her worse than you so you could be happy he said yes my Lord he showed them the fact of two people being tortured in purgatory, he said these two are being tortured for they would commit when they come to the world. They’re worse than you when Satan saw them. He smiled and became happy. …. The sky is indicate he’s happy that his fate was not as bad as this…… the sixth guide was asked who were they? He said the two bedouins, then he named them, which will refrain from here

Dimensions about the word, punishing different groups of people because of the misguidance of these two he would have to punish all the people who accepted their misguidance and rejected the truth

But he is just that is why we have the narrations on the 12th guide in the 14th infallible comes he would dig lat and uzza from their graves, he would punish them for all the crimes of humanity …..

in other words, all the crimes, misguidance and corruption that was committed because they maytred with their two daughters and or sister, the holy prophet, peace and blessing upon him, denied the successorship of the commander of the faithful and broke the oath and caused corruption in the land loss if they had not done that no one would’ve been misguided, but a few…. 

The nourishing continues and he would burn them and scattered their ashes some narrations add in the sea 

there is further proof that these two old men from tribe of quarish are those two idols lat and uzza which is further mentioned in chapter 53 many of the commentators mentioned that they are the two idols mentioned in the third manat mentioned is their third companion

The sixth guide piece mentions there is no verse of the holy Quran, but it is revealed about us our followers or enemies

Share your thoughts on this verse and also many other unlooked interesting or misinterpreted versus versus that have a deeper layer. People tend to neglect.

wallahu Alam 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

10 minutes ago, Abu Hassanain said:

It’s problematic because the words zalim and jahl are used which cannot be for the 14 and by virtue of their obedience in the way they used don’t refer to their followers

Somebody had to agree to maytr have the best individual ever to walk the face of the Earth that was the trust that they were impressive, ignorant, and stupid for accepting

It’s mentioned in reality of certainty, possibly the commentary of the 11th. I’d have to look.

Wasalam alaikum, I think 33:72-73 is a reference to 2:30, with the established khalifa being the same “al-amanta” refused by all of creation except humanity and because of humanity’s injustice and foolishness, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) punishes the hypocrites and polytheists/idolators, and rewards the believing men and women for not disobeying, disregarding or misusing the trust given to them by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

Notice in 2:30 how when the angels ask Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) if He going to place one who kills and spreads corruption in the Earth, He tells them that He knows more about who He places on earth than the angels do,

Wallahu alam.

[Abu Hassanain]

7 minutes ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Wasalam alaikum, I think 33:72-73 is a reference to 2:30, with the established khalifa being the same “al-amanta” refused by all of creation except humanity and because of humanity’s injustice and foolishness, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) punishes the hypocrites and polytheists/idolators, and rewards the believing men and women for not disobeying, disregarding or misusing the trust given to them by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

Notice in 2:30 how when the angels ask Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) if He going to place one who kills and spreads corruption in the Earth, He tells them that He knows more about who He places on earth than the angels do,

Wallahu alam.

Salam

this is the standard view, but it becomes a little problematic if the believers are meant to be included in it

Also, many of the scholars think chapter 2 verse 30 refers only to the profits, and the angels were confusing. The fact that the profits resembled human beings is pre-Adamic and the jinn head caused problems before 

The other interesting issues a Khalifa is a successor or representative a standard since Allah is not limited to one place to be devoid of another, and he has ever living and never dies many of the scholars now review that the Khalifa mentioned in this verse is the Khalifa of Nur I Muhammad being a stand in until the 14 could become a flesh and walk the Earth

Please versus a very interesting thank you for your input

wallahu Alam 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

5 minutes ago, Abu Hassanain said:

The other interesting issues a Khalifa is a successor or representative a standard since Allah is not limited to one place to be devoid of another, and he has ever living and never dies many of the scholars now review that the Khalifa mentioned in this verse is the Khalifa of Nur I Muhammad being a stand in until the 14 could become a flesh and walk the Earth

Would you consider humanity to be guardians of the Earth and protecting the Earth, a trust from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)? I am not convinced that 33:72-73 is referring to the 14 or their followers. Like you said, zulm and jahil aren't used to describe them, it is used to describe their enemies.  Notice how these ayats emphasize man's ignorance and unjust nature?

26 minutes ago, Abu Hassanain said:

this is the standard view, but it becomes a little problematic if the believers are meant to be included in it

It is only problematic if someone presumes it is specifically about the 14 or their followers.

29 minutes ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Please versus a very interesting thank you for your input

No problem, akh. 

[Abu Hassanain]

4 hours ago, Gaius I. Caesar said:

Would you consider humanity to be guardians of the Earth and protecting the Earth, a trust from Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)? I am not convinced that 33:72-73 is referring to the 14 or their followers. Like you said, zulm and jahil aren't used to describe them, it is used to describe their enemies.  Notice how these ayats emphasize man's ignorance and unjust nature?

It is only problematic if someone presumes it is specifically about the 14 or their followers.

No problem, akh. 

Salam

Interesting view to take it to me and all the enemies who took what they couldn’t bear and couldn’t comprehend

Definitely his merit to it

wallahu Alam 

[Gaius I. Caesar]

59 minutes ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Interesting view to take it to me and all the enemies who took what they couldn’t bear and couldn’t comprehend

Not just enemies but it is the same group that Iblis (la) addresses in 14:22, saying 

Quote

 

وَقَالَ ٱلشَّيْطَـٰنُ لَمَّا قُضِىَ ٱلْأَمْرُ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَعَدَكُمْ وَعْدَ ٱلْحَقِّ وَوَعَدتُّكُمْ فَأَخْلَفْتُكُمْ ۖ وَمَا كَانَ لِىَ عَلَيْكُم مِّن سُلْطَـٰنٍ إِلَّآ أَن دَعَوْتُكُمْ فَٱسْتَجَبْتُمْ لِى ۖ فَلَا تَلُومُونِى وَلُومُوٓا۟ أَنفُسَكُم ۖ مَّآ أَنَا۠ بِمُصْرِخِكُمْ وَمَآ أَنتُم بِمُصْرِخِىَّ ۖ إِنِّى كَفَرْتُ بِمَآ أَشْرَكْتُمُونِ مِن قَبْلُ ۗ إِنَّ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌۭ ٢٢

Iblis (la) called them and they responded to his promise, despite Iblis having no authority or power. They could comprehend and follow his call, so they cannot blame Iblis (la) for their own failures and then Iblis (la) says for the zalimun, a painful punishment awaits then.  They took the trust of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and bore it, then chose to answer Iblis' call. It was always a choice for this group.

 

6 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

The other interesting issues a Khalifa is a successor or representative a standard since Allah is not limited to one place to be devoid of another, and he has ever living and never dies many of the scholars now review that the Khalifa mentioned in this verse is the Khalifa of Nur I Muhammad being a stand in until the 14 could become a flesh and walk the Earth

I always understood it to be the khalifa of Adam's (عليه السلام) descendants, since humanity were were eventually wrongdoers and Nuh (عليه السلام) was sent to them.^

Wallahu alam