Without marriage = no fear of sin

[Maisam Haider]

Suppose there is a young unmarried man who is imprisoned and is serving a life sentence. He will be spending his entire life in jail. At some point in his life, he believes that it has become obligatory on him to get married because he has fear of falling into some sexual sin. For example, masturbation.

However, the logistics of marriage in this case would be so difficult that it can be next to impossible to get married. First of all, suppose the prison authority does not allow inmates to get married. So there is nothing that a man can do in this situation.

And even if they allow, how should a man find a woman to get married to, when he is himself locked up in prison. And why would a woman marry a man when she will never be able to live with him.

The question then arises is...if any man develops fear of falling into sin, but it is practically impossible for him to get married (there are many people in this world like that), are they allowed to have that fear in the first place? 

Having fear of sin automatically makes marriage obligatory, as per Islamic law. But when marriage is impossible, then would the law demand that since marriage cannot take place, so the fear should also not be there? 

In other words, a man who has no chance at all to get married is required to develop such a powerful control over his sexual desire that he is able to suppress it to such an extremely low level that not even the thought of falling into any sin should ever arise in his mind - because otherwise he would be making something obligatory on himself when he has no means to do it. 

Summary: When marriage is next to impossible for a man, not only must he never commit any sexual sins, he must also never ever develop any fear that he might commit a sin - because that would mean he is making something obligatory on himself without having the means to perform it. 

Any comments on this ? 

Edited January 16 by Maisam Haider

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam

brother i have seen you thread as a member and an occasional viewer over the years . No one in the hawza encourages this type of thinking . We have to look at life realistically . I am going to be blunt and I don’t know how to say this as nice as I would like . Your posting gives off an incel vibe . Broad forgive me but I have no better word ejaulating is like urinating or defacating for most people, neccesary . Boys were meant to be married between 15 and 20 , the Masum are at a diffferent level of creation. The ulama in Qum and Najaf are evaluating the situation based on the current situation . 
 

also they are many people who are homeless and get married, poor boys marry rich girls, etc don’t give up hope 

wallahu Alam 

[Maisam Haider]

4 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

incel vibe

I have been married for twenty years. 

4 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

ejaulating is like urinating or defacating for most people, neccesary

Right. But Islamic law does not allow "ejaculation" even if someone is forced by circumstances to stay unmarried for years or decades. 

This means Islamic law does not consider it an "absolute necessity" - otherwise it would have allowed people who can't get married to ejaculate themselves. 

4 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

many people who are homeless and get married, poor boys marry rich girls

Of course. But there are also rare and unusual cases where marriage is not possible for extended periods of times - or entire life - such as a man serving life imprisonment.

That's why Allah showed us the example of Prophet Isa (عليه السلام) who was forced by circumstances to remain celibate all his life and also the examples of our imams, who spent decades in prisons, while maintaining flawless chastity. 

My point is only this....Islamic law does not give any relaxation or leeway to sin (eg masturbation) even to people who are in very rare circumstances where marriage may never take place or may take place after decades. This means sexual desire isn't considered an "absolute" necessity in Islamic law - rather it is a privilege allowed only and only for those who are able to get married.

Without marriage(nikah/mutah) Islam expects that sexual desire should be abolished to the point that even sexual thoughts should not come in the mind.... because even Haram sexual thoughts are forbidden in Islam. 

Of course, this is easier said than done and none of us is infallible. But one has to at least acknowledge and understand what Islam demands from people who are forced to stay unmarried for very long periods. 

Edited January 16 by Maisam Haider

[Maisam Haider]

4 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Boys were meant to be married between 15 and 20 ,

Of course, this is most ideal and natural way.

But since this is not taking place and marriage is getting delayed for very long periods (in rare cases, decades or even entire life)....does that imply that because ejaculation is necessary, so a person should commit sin if he can't get married ? 

Islamic law says that even if someone can never ever get married, he should still never commit a single sexual sin. This means that it doesn't consider ejaculation as an "absolute necessity". Sexual comfort is something that a man can only claim within marriage. Outside of that, there is no way at all that this 

Edited January 16 by Maisam Haider

[Abu Hassanain]

1 hour ago, Maisam Haider said:

Of course, this is most ideal and natural way.

But since this is not taking place and marriage is getting delayed for very long periods (in rare cases, decades or even entire life)....does that imply that because ejaculation is necessary, so a person should commit sin if he can't get married ? 

Islamic law says that even if someone can never ever get married, he should still never commit a single sexual sin. This means that it doesn't consider ejaculation as an "absolute necessity". Sexual comfort is something that a man can only claim within marriage. Outside of that, there is no way at all that this 

Salam

Brother, come back to the real world and stop obsessing over these issues. Most of the scholars are looking at the unmarried youth with a don’t tell. Don’t ask don’t tell type of thought. This is the reality. Nobody saying that people should be doing, but it’s the fact that eventually people will be overcome, repent avoided, overcome, repent avoided into marriage. This is what the majority of the senior scholars I’ve talked to in both Iran and Iraq are saying that it’s society’s fault. These kids are going into sin, and their parents and society will pay a heavy penalty because they created a situation where they can’t do lawful things.
 

I didn’t wanna say this there, but I’m not gonna mention their names. There are several grand juris who allow self gratification for people doing life sentences in prison with no hope approval so no Islamic law is not as rigid as you think.

The problem with the scholars are looking at this issue because people can’t get permanent temporary marriage is they’re looking at how necessary it is how many times a week how many times a month how much for prostate health? How much for mental health can a person have a dream or not? I don’t personally agree with this shift, but it will happen within my lifetime. Definitely within my son’s lifetime. 

Every one of your topics is about this issues I’m assuming you’re not married and very unhappy about it. Let’s work on instead of discussing these issues trying to help you get married brother.

And I know so many homeless guys who get married all the time I know so many poor guys who got married, you know, especially in New York right now both Muslim and non-Muslim people in my building there’s girls with masters degree education and money in dating or married to guys who don’t even work 10 hours a week, so please don’t tell me it’s impossible not advocating that but please I’m going for the evening prayers you know I pray for you and I pray for that my marriage last many long years and I don’t have to worry about this issue and I pray that you can get married brother and please try not to have OCD about these issues unless you think you’re gonna go commit a capital offense and be locked up the rest of your life like overthinking these issues can be somewhat insulting to because my cousin is doing 180 years +3 life sentences with no possibility of parole so it’s not something that should be talked about lately. May you be granted the best and may I be granted the best. 

Wallahu Alam 

[Abu Hassanain]

1 hour ago, Maisam Haider said:

Of course, this is most ideal and natural way.

But since this is not taking place and marriage is getting delayed for very long periods (in rare cases, decades or even entire life)....does that imply that because ejaculation is necessary, so a person should commit sin if he can't get married ? 

Islamic law says that even if someone can never ever get married, he should still never commit a single sexual sin. This means that it doesn't consider ejaculation as an "absolute necessity". Sexual comfort is something that a man can only claim within marriage. Outside of that, there is no way at all that this 

Salam

also, in the past, everyone could afford a slave girl and that kind of solve these issues that’s why 50 to 60% of the transaction section of a pence book deal with slavery and what you can do with the slaves

These aren’t things I generally say in front of the lay people, but I truly believe it’s necessary to bring it out to help you, my brother