Canadian halal certification

[Hamdi999]

Salam aleykum, when it comes to canadian halal certifications such as IFANCC for example, how reliable are their halal labels known to be?

Now as stated before I follow sayed khamenaei so I take his fatwas and I know some will tell me to ask him directly, which I might do soon.

However, I was curious on how reliable these labels tend to be? Anyone here knowledgable enough could shed some light on this? 

And in general what is sayed khamenaeis fatwa on halal labels? If something is claimed to be halal do you assume it haram until found halal? 

Ws. 

[Abu Hassanain]

12 hours ago, Hamdi999 said:

Salam aleykum, when it comes to canadian halal certifications such as IFANCC for example, how reliable are their halal labels known to be?

Now as stated before I follow sayed khamenaei so I take his fatwas and I know some will tell me to ask him directly, which I might do soon.

However, I was curious on how reliable these labels tend to be? Anyone here knowledgable enough could shed some light on this? 

And in general what is sayed khamenaeis fatwa on halal labels? If something is claimed to be halal do you assume it haram until found halal? 

Ws. 

Salam

Here’s a link to an old article that makes the point most of our scholars rule 

Looking for Rahbar Ra in english

but almost all the scholars role that if the company that certifies is Muslim, if you buy it from a Muslim person or a Muslim store, it’s fine

I have raised this issue in various discussions at the seminary with colleagues and teachers that the role of the muscle market as a blanket role at this time in the west is very problematic and the justice should be a condition because you have many so-called Muslims sell everything wrong under the sun, but we’re gonna trust their mate. You have many Muslims do strange business practices, but we’re gonna trust their meat. We have any from the other community who are doing strange things in their slaughtering.

So it would be better to invest the company that certifying and invest the story you’re buying from and make sure there’s nothing wrong with precaution

 

[Abu Hassanain]

12 hours ago, Hamdi999 said:

Salam aleykum, when it comes to canadian halal certifications such as IFANCC for example, how reliable are their halal labels known to be?

Now as stated before I follow sayed khamenaei so I take his fatwas and I know some will tell me to ask him directly, which I might do soon.

However, I was curious on how reliable these labels tend to be? Anyone here knowledgable enough could shed some light on this? 

And in general what is sayed khamenaeis fatwa on halal labels? If something is claimed to be halal do you assume it haram until found halal? 

Ws. 

Salam

if you are in Canada call Imam Hussayn Assocation Masjid and Hussaynia ie Passmore in Toronto .

I never met anyone more strict about lawful and unlawful, particularly in food and income than Sayyid Musawi . He used to keep a list. I’m sure he still does and he’s well aware of which companies can be trusted in which ones can’t. 

https://www.husainiyah.com/contact.php
 

Wallahu Alam 

[Hamdi999]

On 10/24/2025 at 7:16 AM, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam

if you are in Canada call Imam Hussayn Assocation Masjid and Hussaynia ie Passmore in Toronto .

I never met anyone more strict about lawful and unlawful, particularly in food and income than Sayyid Musawi . He used to keep a list. I’m sure he still does and he’s well aware of which companies can be trusted in which ones can’t. 

https://www.husainiyah.com/contact.php
 

Wallahu Alam 

Salam, as far as I am aware the ones that have been trusted in canada are zabiha halal, that company was confirmed to be halal until I think the owner changed. 

Thanks for the links. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 10/24/2025 at 3:04 AM, Hamdi999 said:

However, I was curious on how reliable these labels tend to be? Anyone here knowledgable enough could shed some light on this? 

Salam , generally these labels follow Sunni perspective about Halal so therefore these labels can be reliable if have valid & legal Halal certification;   except for Seafood  which according to Shia Islam only fish with scales & shrimp are halal ; but on the other hand according to sunni perspective "there is [nearly] no restriction on consumption of seafood" 

Halal Certification in Canada

Halal Certification Bodies provide Halal Certification for Halal Certification in Canada. There are a variety of Halal Bodies. A handful of Halal Bodies that are located in Canada can be found below.

• Halal Canada Private Limited
• Halal Certification Services Canada Private Limited
• Jamiat Ulama E-Maharashtra is an entity of the Jamiat Ulama-E Hind
• Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind Halal Trust

Companies who wish to gain Halal Recognition in Canada can submit an application to these Certification Bodies to obtain Halal Certification. When granting the Halal Certificate, the certified authority will verify and audit that the company

https://medium.com/@karthikfactocert/how-to-get-halal-certification-in-canada-a8f1e362c46

 

What are the steps to get HALAL Certification in Canada?

https://factocert.com/canada/halal-certification-in-canada/

some examples 

 Canadian Halal Bureau (CHB)

https://halalbureau.ca/

 

The Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of Canada (IFANCC)

https://www.ifancc.org/

HMA Canada

https://hmacanada.org/

CHEC

https://canadahalalec.com/

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Islamic Scholars’ Views on Seafood: Sunni vs. Shia Perspectives

Sunni Schools of Thought on Seafood

• Shafi’i, Hanbali, and Maliki Schools: These scholars consider all sea creatures halal, including fish, shellfish, and crustaceans.
• Hanafi School: This school only permits fish with scales, considering other seafood (such as shrimp, crabs, and lobsters) as makruh (disliked).

Shia Islam’s Stance on Seafood

• Shia scholars only allow fish with scales and require them to be alive when removed from water. Shellfish and other sea creatures are generally haram.

https://halalawareness.com/is-fish-halal/

 

Sunni perspective on seafood 

https://halalgaze.com/seafood-on-your-plate-halal-or-haram/

 

On 10/25/2025 at 3:24 PM, Hamdi999 said:

Salam, as far as I am aware the ones that have been trusted in canada are zabiha halal, that company was confirmed to be halal until I think the owner changed. 

Thanks for the links. 

Only procedure is important not the owner except for Nasibis ; which if owner is not a Nasibi so therefore there is no problem even if owner is not muslim if the owner is not enemy of the muslims which trading with enemies of muslims is forbidden . . 

No Way for Disbelievers against Believers

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5- Muslims should make sure that disbelievers will not even thing of gaining dominance over the faithful.

6- Any plan, agreement, deal, and interaction that may open the way for disbelievers’ dominance over Muslims is forbidden and, therefore, Muslims must gain full independence in all political, military, economic, and cultural domains.

https://shiastudies.com/en/16368/no-way-disbelievers-believers/

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God has ordered Muslims to maintain their dignity and independence in all aspects of life, including economic, cultural and political, and not to seek dignity and independence in friendship with the enemies of Islam. Muslims are required to rely on God, who is the source of all dignities, in all areas.

One of the verses of the Quran that refers to this issue is verse 141 of Surah An-Nisa: “(As for) those who lay in wait for you. If a victory comes to you from Allah they say: ‘Were we not with you?’ But if the unbelievers get a portion, they say, ‘Were we not mightier than you, and did we not defend you from the believers?’ Allah will judge between you on the Day of Resurrection. Allah will not grant the unbelievers any way (of success) over the believers.”

It is known as the Verse of “Nafy Sabil” (denying any way for non-believers’ dominance over believers).

Nafy Sabil is an Islamic rule that forbids dominance on non-believers on Muslims in any area such as political, social, cultural, economic and military.

 

 

Edited October 27, 2025 by Ashvazdanghe

[Rohani]

On 10/23/2025 at 6:34 PM, Hamdi999 said:

Salam aleykum, when it comes to canadian halal certifications such as IFANCC for example, how reliable are their halal labels known to be?

Now as stated before I follow sayed khamenaei so I take his fatwas and I know some will tell me to ask him directly, which I might do soon.

However, I was curious on how reliable these labels tend to be? Anyone here knowledgable enough could shed some light on this? 

And in general what is sayed khamenaeis fatwa on halal labels? If something is claimed to be halal do you assume it haram until found halal? 

Ws. 

salaam alaykom wa rahmatullah 

according to my resources, infancc is only acceptable if it is labeled as hand slaughtered.

In canada HMA, HMO, and CHEC are all acceptable certificates not matter what. 

 Infancc is good for non meat products as well. 

Edited October 29, 2025 by Rohani

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam

this is just my personal info insight and precautionary thought thoughts

tge Marja make rulings based on what is the bare minimum line between Laughlin and unlawful. They also rule according to recommended an un recommended actions.They themselves do not always follow the bare minimum rollings they give they tend to follow the structure and more precaution approach. For example, one scholar may allow the French beard, but he himself did not wear the French beard.

Islam is following the risalah but taqwa and iman is in the mustahab narrations 

Wallahu Alam 

As in the case of alcohol and grocery stores, the scholars in Iran, we’re ready to issue the rolling that no one may enter a store that sells alcohol, but they had told the visiting junior scholar that the condition was that the stores that don’t sell alcohol should have everything the believers need when he said that wasn’t the case. They said the groundwork must be prepared for these type of rollings.

these problems would be solved if we Shia had her own slaughter , houses, and meat distribution companies.

Here in the United States we had many instances where they were hiring non-Muslims using tape recordings saying the formula just went turning the machine on and off, etc.

I did an extensive research project and seminary unconditioned to slaughter the animal and came up with about 33 to 43 conditions if we take all of the narrations from the weakest to the strongest

One of the main reasons I want vegetarian and then vegan beyond the fact I lost weight and feel better was that the slaughter house is owned by our brothers from the other school. We’re only meeting about one to three conditions to slaughter the animal.

I would caution brothers, to be very careful with who they buy meat from however, ultimately if people want to eat meat and be assured of its legality, we should have our own places

I am most of the strong narrations to talk about the 14 eating meat. It’s meat they slider themselves. We find very few reliable narrations that they were eating from the meat of the other schools, even though they allowed their followers to marry from the other School to eat their meat to do business with them.

Precaution is always better

Eating lawful food and paying the fifth rate is the most important basis for our prayers, actions and success

Wallahu Alam

Edited October 29, 2025 by Abu Hassanain
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[Ashvazdanghe]

On 10/29/2025 at 11:49 AM, Abu Hassanain said:

I would caution brothers, to be very careful with who they buy meat from however, ultimately if people want to eat meat and be assured of its legality, we should have our own places

I am most of the strong narrations to talk about the 14 eating meat. It’s meat they slider themselves. We find very few reliable narrations that they were eating from the meat of the other schools, even though they allowed their followers to marry from the other School to eat their meat to do business with them.

Salam respectfully this is just being too much zealous & being too much radical idea while in opposition to your idea all Shia scholars in Iran  have allowed slaughtered meat by all four sunni school of thought except Nasibis ; which

On 10/29/2025 at 11:49 AM, Abu Hassanain said:

One of the main reasons I want vegetarian and then vegan beyond the fact I lost weight and feel better was that the slaughter house is owned by our brothers from the other school. We’re only meeting about one to three conditions to slaughter the animal.

your standards are too much high & radical which you even you never won't meat it in Shia method of slaughtering even in Iran & Iraq  ; which being vegetarian is your choice however according to reliable shia narrations any shia muslim at least must eat meat every forty days ; which your  idea is in similar fashion of Wahabis who say eating slaughterd meat by Shia muslims is forbidden . 

The Rules of Slaughtering

Issue 429: If the four large veins in the neck of a halal meat animal are completely cut from the bottom to the top, with the conditions that will be listed, that animal will be tahir, and halal.

The only required conditions for Halal slaughtering are 6 below conditions no more no less.

The Conditions for the Slaughter

Issue 430: There are five conditions for slaughtering the animal:

1. The person who is conducting the slaughter must be a Muslim.

2. The animal must be slaughtered by an instrument made of iron.

3. At the time of the slaughter, the animal must be facing Qiblah.

4. At the time of the slaughter, the name of Allah must be said, and even if just (بسم الله) is said, this is sufficient.

5. After the animal has been slaughtered, it should move around a bit so that one can be sure that it was alive (before being slaughtered).

6. The normal amount of blood should flow out of the body of the animal.

https://al-islam.org/simplified-islamic-laws-youth-and-young-adults-sayyid-ali-hussaini-sistani/rules-slaughtering

 

Monitoring the Ritual Slaughter of Halal-meat Animals

In Iran and some other Islamic countries, to verify if consumed meat is halal, the experts in Islamic slaughtering and hunting of animals supervise the process of slaughtering and catching halal-meat animals.^[17]

^{https://en.wikishia.net/view/Halal-meat_animals}

Religious Questions

Is slaughtered animal by Sunnis Halal for Shias? The Grand Ayatollah Khamenei’s answer

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Religious Questions

Is slaughtered animal by Sunnis Halal for Shias? The Grand Ayatollah Khamenei’s answer

January 26, 2021 | 10:10 AM0

SHAFAQNA – The Grand Ayatollah Khamenei answered questions about slaughtering animals by Sunnis for Shias.

Question: Is slaughtered/scarified animal by Ahlul Sunnah Halal for Shia Muslims or not? Some Ahlul Sunnah Faqihs/scholars do not consider direction toward Qiblah a condition; what is the ruling on their slaughter in this case?

The Grand Ayatollah Khamenei: Slaughtered/sacrificed animal by Muslims adjudged to be Halal, and rearranging direction of slaughtered animal through unawareness, does not harm it being Halal.

Source: leader.ir

https://en.shafaqna.com/195388/is-slaughtered-animal-by-sunnis-halal-for-shias-the-grand-ayatollah-khameneis-answer/

According to grand Ayatollah Sistani

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Question: On the package of meat that is produced in Muslim countries by non-Muslim companies, it says, “slaughtered according to Islamic laws”. Are we allowed to eat that meat? Can we eat that meat, if it comes from Muslim companies in non-Muslim countries? And what is the ruling, if the source is non-Muslim company from a non-Muslim country?

Answer: The writing [on the package] has no value at all. If the producer is a Muslim or it was produced in a place where Muslims are in the majority and it is not known that the producer is a non-Muslim, then it is permissible to eat it.
But if the producer is a non-Muslim or it was produced in a place where Muslims are not in the majority and it is not known that the producer is Muslim, then it is not permissible to eat it.

 

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Question: Is it permissible to buy a fish from a Muslim who is not a Shi‘a while we have no knowledge whether it is from the category of scale fish or not?

Answer: It is permissible to buy it but one cannot eat it unless he makes sure that it is from the category of scale fish.

https://www.sistani.org/english/qa/01251/

https://seekersguidance.org/answers/halal-and-haram/eating-meat-slaughtered-by-shia/

 

[Abu Hassanain]

On 10/30/2025 at 2:34 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam respectfully this is just being too much zealous & being too much radical idea while in opposition to your idea all Shia scholars in Iran  have allowed slaughtered meat by all four sunni school of thought except Nasibis ; which

your standards are too much high & radical which you even you never won't meat it in Shia method of slaughtering even in Iran & Iraq  ; which being vegetarian is your choice however according to reliable shia narrations any shia muslim at least must eat meat every forty days ; which your  idea is in similar fashion of Wahabis who say eating slaughterd meat by Shia muslims is forbidden . 

The Rules of Slaughtering

Issue 429: If the four large veins in the neck of a halal meat animal are completely cut from the bottom to the top, with the conditions that will be listed, that animal will be tahir, and halal.

The only required conditions for Halal slaughtering are 6 below conditions no more no less.

The Conditions for the Slaughter

Issue 430: There are five conditions for slaughtering the animal:

1. The person who is conducting the slaughter must be a Muslim.

2. The animal must be slaughtered by an instrument made of iron.

3. At the time of the slaughter, the animal must be facing Qiblah.

4. At the time of the slaughter, the name of Allah must be said, and even if just (بسم الله) is said, this is sufficient.

5. After the animal has been slaughtered, it should move around a bit so that one can be sure that it was alive (before being slaughtered).

6. The normal amount of blood should flow out of the body of the animal.

https://al-islam.org/simplified-islamic-laws-youth-and-young-adults-sayyid-ali-hussaini-sistani/rules-slaughtering

 

Monitoring the Ritual Slaughter of Halal-meat Animals

In Iran and some other Islamic countries, to verify if consumed meat is halal, the experts in Islamic slaughtering and hunting of animals supervise the process of slaughtering and catching halal-meat animals.^[17]

^{https://en.wikishia.net/view/Halal-meat_animals}

Religious Questions

Is slaughtered animal by Sunnis Halal for Shias? The Grand Ayatollah Khamenei’s answer

https://en.shafaqna.com/195388/is-slaughtered-animal-by-sunnis-halal-for-shias-the-grand-ayatollah-khameneis-answer/

According to grand Ayatollah Sistani

 

https://www.sistani.org/english/qa/01251/

https://seekersguidance.org/answers/halal-and-haram/eating-meat-slaughtered-by-shia/

 

Salam

there are other important issues like an animal shouldn’t see another animal die. An animal shouldn’t see the blood stain from another animal you know because that would cause fear and ruin the slaughtering process.

Many of these are based on recommended narration is not obligatory narrations

You are living in Iran with the government very strictly controls who can slaughter and how they can slaughter that is not the case in the west the situation here is very very bad

When I lived downtown in the last matrix city, I lived in many of the Saudi Qatifi Shia  students would not trust the meat and would go and slaughter meet. They bought from the Amish themselves, the Amish or a small farming community here.

Most of the grand scholars have no confidence in the people they give rules according to the bare minimum most of the time if you talk to them in person or the senior students, they follow much stricter protocol for themselves

I’m sure you’re aware of some of the senior scholars and Ian used to keep water bowls by their door in the amount of kurr to dip before even entering their homes because they don’t know what they had contact with on the outside. This is prevalent. I’m already of the teachers in the 30s and 40s up until maybe the 60s.

people want to eat meat more than following the recommended narrations and being careful they want. They don’t want to investigate and want to be lazy and this is why one of the many reasons the community in the West struggles if your food is not lawful and your religious taxes are not paid you’ll never prosper

What was the first thing his eminence did after the revolution he commanded the people to throw all the meat into the sea, saying it could not be trusted he understood the matter

As for the 40 days, that’s mainly dealing with obtaining enough potassium. Those narrations are mostly understood oddly and narrations that are talking about literal hardening of the heart. People understand to be metaphorical and the narration that are talking about metaphorical hardening of the heart. Many people understand to be literal.

I’m not gonna deal too deep into this topic I prefer precaution

You live in a country well, you’ll never have to eat anything slaughtered by the other school anyway

Brother in Dearborn, when I live there, nobody eats from their restaurants. People are only eating from the restaurants owned by our own people. The Lebanese in the Rockies would not eat at the other schools restaurants because they don’t trust them to serve actual lawful meet, and that was the case from at least 2008 till 2015 or 16 when I was there consecutively a lot.

wallahu Alam 

 

[Abu Hassanain]

On 10/30/2025 at 2:34 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam respectfully this is just being too much zealous & being too much radical idea while in opposition to your idea all Shia scholars in Iran  have allowed slaughtered meat by all four sunni school of thought except Nasibis ; which

your standards are too much high & radical which you even you never won't meat it in Shia method of slaughtering even in Iran & Iraq  ; which being vegetarian is your choice however according to reliable shia narrations any shia muslim at least must eat meat every forty days ; which your  idea is in similar fashion of Wahabis who say eating slaughterd meat by Shia muslims is forbidden . 

The Rules of Slaughtering

Issue 429: If the four large veins in the neck of a halal meat animal are completely cut from the bottom to the top, with the conditions that will be listed, that animal will be tahir, and halal.

The only required conditions for Halal slaughtering are 6 below conditions no more no less.

The Conditions for the Slaughter

Issue 430: There are five conditions for slaughtering the animal:

1. The person who is conducting the slaughter must be a Muslim.

2. The animal must be slaughtered by an instrument made of iron.

3. At the time of the slaughter, the animal must be facing Qiblah.

4. At the time of the slaughter, the name of Allah must be said, and even if just (بسم الله) is said, this is sufficient.

5. After the animal has been slaughtered, it should move around a bit so that one can be sure that it was alive (before being slaughtered).

6. The normal amount of blood should flow out of the body of the animal.

https://al-islam.org/simplified-islamic-laws-youth-and-young-adults-sayyid-ali-hussaini-sistani/rules-slaughtering

 

Monitoring the Ritual Slaughter of Halal-meat Animals

In Iran and some other Islamic countries, to verify if consumed meat is halal, the experts in Islamic slaughtering and hunting of animals supervise the process of slaughtering and catching halal-meat animals.^[17]

^{https://en.wikishia.net/view/Halal-meat_animals}

Religious Questions

Is slaughtered animal by Sunnis Halal for Shias? The Grand Ayatollah Khamenei’s answer

https://en.shafaqna.com/195388/is-slaughtered-animal-by-sunnis-halal-for-shias-the-grand-ayatollah-khameneis-answer/

According to grand Ayatollah Sistani

 

https://www.sistani.org/english/qa/01251/

https://seekersguidance.org/answers/halal-and-haram/eating-meat-slaughtered-by-shia/

 

Salam

what the scholars allow for the lead people is based on the bare minimum level of Islam. It’s not based on taqwa or iman nor should it be, they live in a much higher level than the bare minimum ruling distinguishing between belief and disbelief, lawful and prohibited

that is why they told the delegation a few years back. They were ready to prohibit Muslims in the wet from entering stores with alcohol, but the conditions on the ground were not there to give the rolling because the Muslim own stores barely have anything people need a few little things mostly you have to go to a Muslim store for meat and ethnic food in a non-Muslim store for everything else is very sad. We wasted so much time here we didn’t build schools and we didn’t build food places

wallahu Alam 

[Abu Hassanain]

On 10/30/2025 at 2:34 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Salam respectfully this is just being too much zealous & being too much radical idea while in opposition to your idea all Shia scholars in Iran  have allowed slaughtered meat by all four sunni school of thought except Nasibis ; which

your standards are too much high & radical which you even you never won't meat it in Shia method of slaughtering even in Iran & Iraq  ; which being vegetarian is your choice however according to reliable shia narrations any shia muslim at least must eat meat every forty days ; which your  idea is in similar fashion of Wahabis who say eating slaughterd meat by Shia muslims is forbidden . 

The Rules of Slaughtering

Issue 429: If the four large veins in the neck of a halal meat animal are completely cut from the bottom to the top, with the conditions that will be listed, that animal will be tahir, and halal.

The only required conditions for Halal slaughtering are 6 below conditions no more no less.

The Conditions for the Slaughter

Issue 430: There are five conditions for slaughtering the animal:

1. The person who is conducting the slaughter must be a Muslim.

2. The animal must be slaughtered by an instrument made of iron.

3. At the time of the slaughter, the animal must be facing Qiblah.

4. At the time of the slaughter, the name of Allah must be said, and even if just (بسم الله) is said, this is sufficient.

5. After the animal has been slaughtered, it should move around a bit so that one can be sure that it was alive (before being slaughtered).

6. The normal amount of blood should flow out of the body of the animal.

https://al-islam.org/simplified-islamic-laws-youth-and-young-adults-sayyid-ali-hussaini-sistani/rules-slaughtering

 

Monitoring the Ritual Slaughter of Halal-meat Animals

In Iran and some other Islamic countries, to verify if consumed meat is halal, the experts in Islamic slaughtering and hunting of animals supervise the process of slaughtering and catching halal-meat animals.^[17]

^{https://en.wikishia.net/view/Halal-meat_animals}

Religious Questions

Is slaughtered animal by Sunnis Halal for Shias? The Grand Ayatollah Khamenei’s answer

https://en.shafaqna.com/195388/is-slaughtered-animal-by-sunnis-halal-for-shias-the-grand-ayatollah-khameneis-answer/

According to grand Ayatollah Sistani

 

https://www.sistani.org/english/qa/01251/

https://seekersguidance.org/answers/halal-and-haram/eating-meat-slaughtered-by-shia/

 

Salam

just a final note the definition of nawsabi differs slightly from scholar to Skyler, but it’s a matter of theology not just prudence. 
 

So for me personally, and only me as a theological matter anyone who says Abu Bakr Umar Or Uthman was better than Amir ul Muminin Imam Ali as I would treat like that in terms of wetness and acceptance

wallahu Alam 

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam

Full disclosure, people should follow the ruling of their grand scholar, and that will keep you within the bounds of Islam

Recommended act precaution, etc. are better but not required

I had very strict requirements on meat when I was eating meat, but I’ve been a vegan for health reasons, weight control, and other things since 2013 so it really doesn’t matter to me either way

But food in the religious taxes are the basis of so many acts we should be very cautious about them

Pass more was the Vanguard of Canada. They established their center in 1972 and their scholar is one of the better scholars. I’ve met there in Canada so if they think a place is trustworthy, it’s probably trustworthy if they don’t they don’t for those living in Canada, I would contact them for specific doubts about what certifications are valid or not 

Wallahu Alam 

[Ashvazdanghe]

6 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

What was the first thing his eminence did after the revolution he commanded the people to throw all the meat into the sea, saying it could not be trusted he understood the matter

Salam you respectfully misunderstood it which Imam Khomeini (رضي الله عنه) has not orderd throwing out all meats into the sea which he only made a secondary temporary ruling about a special cargo of frozen meat which  has been bought after revolution from abroad countries which those countries have not observed Sharia rulings for slaughtering ; which besides that he has wanted to support domestic production & to protect Iran as Shia country against dominance of disbelievers over it which he has allowed using of domestic meat which has been slaughtered according to Islamic rulings even before the Islamic revolution of Iran .  

so therefore he has orderd that all the imported frozen meats from abroad countries can't be used for food due to being impure but on the other hand people can use it as fertilizer for their farm lands .

 

Recently, some Telegram channels and Twitter users published pictures of a frozen meat distribution center, reposting Imam Khomeini's (رضي الله عنه) statements that frozen meat is forbidden and ordering the Prime Minister to collect this meat, and considered this a contradiction.

Although this doubt has been raised many times over the past years, it must first be said about the authenticity of this issue that this fatwa and order are authentic and are also mentioned on page 280 of volume 8 of the Imam's Sahifa. The full text of this order is as follows: "Mr. Prime Minister, it is necessary for you to order the relevant authorities to strictly prevent  import and consumption of frozen meat and to destroy what is available of this type of meat; because they are impure and forbidden, and people do not have the right to use them as food and [it] can be used for agricultural purposes such as fertilizer."

The short answer to this issue is that  Zionist regime, New Zealand, Turkey, Bulgaria and West Germany were exporters of frozen meat to Iran at that time. The issue of the un-Islamic and unhygienic nature of imported meat was one of the reasons for the ban on the use of these meats.
 

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 The settlement of tribes and nomads, the passage of the Land Reform Law, in addition to its improper implementation of it, and the decline in the tribal population [in Pahlavi era] led to a decrease in meat production in decade of 1961s. The share of livestock farming in the 1961s was 40 percent, which decreased to 26 percent in 1970.
 The Ettelaat newspaper also wrote about this: In that year, the consumption of frozen meat in the country was 250 tons, of which about 180 tons were consumed in Tehran and the remaining 20 tons in Isfahan. According to this report, 2,000 tons of frozen meat were imported from abroad for the consumption of Chelo Kebabis that year.

A look at the words of the founder of the revolution shows what is the reason for the sanctity of this act in the Imam's view?

"Every contract they made, they gave the very rich green pastures of Iran - as they wrote to me - to a delegation, one of whom is the Queen of England, pastures that experts - those who came and saw - said were the best pastures in the world in terms of livestock farming, they gave them to her! And the country of Iran itself was left; now its meat must be brought in frozen meat from ... them, and here it does not have its own. Isn't this a betrayal of a country?!" (Volume 5 - Page 67)

"There was a plan to destroy. To completely destroy agriculture in the name of "land reform"; and to create a market for America, which has a lot of wheat, it should be thrown [it's wheat]into the sea or burned. It is better that Iran or other countries under its influence have their agriculture destroyed so that they become in need of wheat and all grains. As we are in need now; everything we need must come from abroad. They (America & it's allies) should destroy livestock farming in order to they (people) need meat from abroad. And so on with everything. In these fifty years, with very deceptive and misleading names, they have ruined this country and it has been destroyed.” (Volume 8 – Page 155)

These days, since frozen Brazilian meat is slaughtered halal, its sanctity is naturally removed.

Fars [News Agency].

https://hadana.ir/حکم-گوشت-یخ-زده-از-نظر-امام-خمینی/

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7 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

there are other important issues like an animal shouldn’t see another animal die. An animal shouldn’t see the blood stain from another animal you know because that would cause fear and ruin the slaughtering process.

Salam these are just highly recommended procedures although these procedures have no direct correlation to  Halal slaughtering which these highly recommended procedures leads to having more healthy food for both of body & soul .

7 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

When I lived downtown in the last matrix city, I lived in many of the Saudi Qatifi Shia  students would not trust the meat and would go and slaughter meet. They bought from the Amish themselves, the Amish or a small farming community here.

Anyway they just could buy live animals from the Amish so then they must have slaughtered  the live animals by themselves.

7 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

I’m sure you’re aware of some of the senior scholars and Ian used to keep water bowls by their door in the amount of kurr to dip before even entering their homes because they don’t know what they had contact with on the outside. This is prevalent. I’m already of the teachers in the 30s and 40s up until maybe the 60s.

Respectfully  Your typical problem is due generalizing everything based on your experiences which  you misunderstood the point due to your wrong personal conclusion  ;which  as I know It's not prevalent between majority of  senior Iranian Shia scholar ; which maybe rare persons from scholars due to affection with Waswas (which is from cursed Shaitan) have done it in Qom.

7 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

people want to eat meat more than following the recommended narrations and being careful they want. They don’t want to investigate and want to be lazy and this is why one of the many reasons the community in the West struggles if your food is not lawful and your religious taxes are not paid you’ll never prosper

Senior Marjas likewise Imam Khameni & grand Ayatollah Sistani have allowed to people  in the west not to investigate too much which just buying from a muslim dealer is enough so then they don't need too much investigation .

7 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

As for the 40 days, that’s mainly dealing with obtaining enough potassium. Those narrations are mostly understood oddly and narrations that are talking about literal hardening of the heart. People understand to be metaphorical and the narration that are talking about metaphorical hardening of the heart. Many people understand to be literal.

Lol It's not about obtaining enough potassium ; which in opposition to your idea it has been mentioned that consuming Halal meat at least every forty days is for protection of faith & nature & Fitrah of believers ; which also in opposition to your idea  those narrations are mostly about preventing too much consuming meat due to causing of hardening of the heart.

7 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

You live in a country well, you’ll never have to eat anything slaughtered by the other school anyway

I eat any halal slaughtered meat from other schools which required meat for people of Iran specially for big cities likewise Tehran comes from any corner of it which maybe slaughtered meat comes from sunni dominant cities which the meat has been slaughtered by our sunni brothers which all senior Shia Marjas in Iran have allowed consuming it .

7 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Brother in Dearborn, when I live there, nobody eats from their restaurants. People are only eating from the restaurants owned by our own people. The Lebanese in the Rockies would not eat at the other schools restaurants because they don’t trust them to serve actual lawful meet, and that was the case from at least 2008 till 2015 or 16 when I was there consecutively a lot.

This is due to typical problem of racial segregation by communities due to cultural problems between them ; which it has no relation to Islamic rulings.

7 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

just a final note the definition of nawsabi differs slightly from scholar to Skyler, but it’s a matter of theology not just prudence. 

There is clear definition of the Nawsabi/Nasibi

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Nāṣibī (Arabic: ناصبي) is someone who is hostile, and publicly displays his or her hostility, towards Imam Ali (a) or other persons from Ahl al-Bayt (a). Instances of Nasibism is said to include the denial of the virtues of Ahl al-Bayt (a), the cursing of Imams (a), and enmity towards Shi'as.

According to Shiite jurists, Nasibis are najis and are treated as disbelievers. Thus, it is impermissible to eat an animal slaughtered by Nasibis, to pay charity to them, or to marry them, and they cannot inherit from Muslims.

 

7 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

So for me personally, and only me as a theological matter anyone who says Abu Bakr Umar Or Uthman was better than Amir ul Muminin Imam Ali as I would treat like that in terms of wetness and acceptance

This is your personal opinion although soehow it's a kind of innovation by you ; against clear ruling of senior Marjas likewise Imam Khamenei & grand Ayatollah Sistani about considering Sunnis  as muslims although of excepting Nawsabis/Nasibis from them ; which you  have opposed great Marajs just by relying on a too weak narration .

Sunnis are not Nasibis

The majority of Shiite jurists characterize Nasibis as people who are hostile, and publicly display their hostility, towards Ahl al-Bayt (a). Thus, in their view, Sunni Muslims who are not hostile towards Ahl al-Bayt (a) do not count as Nasibis^[16].

 

However, al-Muhaddith al-Bahrani maintains that Nasibis are people who give priority to others over Imam Ali (a) with regard to Imamate, or believe in their Imamate^[17]. His evidence is a hadith in which the belief in the imamate of any person other than the Shiite Imams counts as Nasibism^[18]. Al-Najafi, the author of Jawahir al-kalam, takes the view to be contrary to the practice of Shi'as^[19]. Moreover, doubts are cast over the validity of the chain of the transmission and implications of the hadith cited by al-Bahrani^[20].

An essay under "the property of the Nasibi and that not all opponents are Nasibis" is attributed to al-Sayyid Abd Allah al-Jaza'iri, a Shiite scholar, in which he rejects the view that Sunni Muslims are Nasibis.

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Nasibi

 

Edited November 1, 2025 by Ashvazdanghe

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7 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

because the Muslim own stores barely have anything people need a few little things mostly you have to go to a Muslim store for meat and ethnic food in a non-Muslim store for everything else is very sad. We wasted so much time here we didn’t build schools and we didn’t build food places

Unfortunately this is a sad truth which I thank Allah for having access to anything in Iran ; however someone or some groups must do a campaign for fixing this problem in western countries which I hope so inshaAllah your problems will be solved by yourselves in near future .