Are we rapidly approaching reappearance of our Imam?

[Uni Student]

Is anyone else feeling like we are rapidly approaching the time for the reappearance of our Imam? With everything that is going on at an increasingly alarming rate, I think we may see him within the next 10 years, maybe sooner? I know we can not put a timestamp on such a thing but it's just a gut feeling which may very well be wrong. I'm 24 and hoping that it happens sooner rather than later, I want to be able to drop everything and go  before I have wife and kids that might hold me back

[Abu Hassanain]

On 9/24/2025 at 9:27 PM, Uni Student said:

Is anyone else feeling like we are rapidly approaching the time for the reappearance of our Imam? With everything that is going on at an increasingly alarming rate, I think we may see him within the next 10 years, maybe sooner? I know we can not put a timestamp on such a thing but it's just a gut feeling which may very well be wrong. I'm 24 and hoping that it happens sooner rather than later, I want to be able to drop everything and go  before I have wife and kids that might hold me back

Salam

we should always be ready and not let Hope lack of distraction prevent us from purify our souls and performing good deeds

I saw many people destroy themselves waiting for signs

Performing the night prayer, avoiding sins, performing good deeds further increasing our knowledge purify our hearts that will make us worthy to be of his companions

There are major things that need to occur, and there are many minor signs that can or cancer occur

We arrivals people mixing with the other school. I really had a bad effect on our community in terms of what they think will or what might happen or will not happen

There needs to be a leader rise up from the Khorsan province with black flags he is known as Khorsani 

There needs to be a liter rise up from Yemen with white flags a few narrations mention yellow, but they’re not as strong he is called Yamani 

An evil leader would unite groups after a great war in Syria and be known as Sufayni 

Sufayni is a person of illusion and birth, who would’ve killed his own slave mother to hide his identity

khorsani army will fight his in Kufa area 

Yamani army will fight him in hijaz 

there will be a cry from the heavens on 23 night of Shahrul Ramadan proclaiming his coming at night and a cry at sunrise of 23 by Satan, trying to confuse people

A sayyid from Imam Hassan Line will be killed between rukn Yamani the south wall of the Kaba and Maqm Ibrahim the pillar of Abraham that you make two units of prayer after tawaf or going around the Kaba presumably this happens 25 th of Dhul Hijrah

Then 15 days later, and then accordance with the strongest narrations the Upriser appears on Ashura 

He will fight Sufayni for two months than kill him the strong and clear narration from Imam Sadiq as is Sufayni overall and cause chaos confusion of bloodshed for six months that a man from our progeny will come out and fight him after two months he will kill him and the narration Sufayni will for eight months, not a day last night a day more

The Mahdi will rule for 7 or 19 years that are like 10 or 100 years each

You would have eliminated disbelief from the Earth, but because he cannot kill a believer who has disbeliever in his progeny disbeliever and hypocrites will be born from believers again till he is Maytred fulfilling, the narration, there is none of us of the people of the family that dies by poison or the sword

This would occur on Ashura but so with the immediate Rajah or return of not only him, but all of the 14 so the day that was once the day of greatest grief and soda would be the day of greatest happiness, and this is hard for me to digest, but when the 14 walk the Earth again there will not be days of morning for them. They will be with us. They will walk the Earth.

At that point the verse through all 14 of them, particularly the holy prophet and the guided one would for fill the verse when truth comes in false perishes for all things false or bound to perish anyway

During his first rule, he would’ve killed Satan in front of Masjid Sahla however even for sale in the verse twice to we caused them to live twice to cause them to die must be fulfilled

All the evil people who ever exist existed with rise to join Satan’s army, all the good people who ever exist existed would rise to join the army of the 14

The second time Satan would be killed by a spear through the back of the holy prophet, peace, and blessings be upon him all evil would be eliminated

After fulfilling the verse and engaging in the war, the guided one would pass the flag to 12 guided ones being the holy prophet and the first 11 imams they would all rule a long time and there’s debate in the narrations about how long then Al Mahdi as would roll a second time for even longer when he passed away from natural causes as though would each get to pass away from natural causes of their second life in return, the universe would end, depending on the narration in one hour to 40 days and the discussion of the burial there are many opinions so I’ll leave that if you want we can open a separate topic on that

These are the major things that are very clear in our narrations and must happen. Their other possibilities are strong possibilities that could or would happen.

[Abu Hassanain]

13 hours ago, Uni Student said:

Is anyone else feeling like we are rapidly approaching the time for the reappearance of our Imam? With everything that is going on at an increasingly alarming rate, I think we may see him within the next 10 years, maybe sooner? I know we can not put a timestamp on such a thing but it's just a gut feeling which may very well be wrong. I'm 24 and hoping that it happens sooner rather than later, I want to be able to drop everything and go  before I have wife and kids that might hold me back

Salam

there are many ideas for narrations that are floating around that are very incorrect

The idea of that Jesus peace Pat would be the ruler of the west and Al Mahdi peace be upon him would  the ruler of the east. The narration is clear Jesus, peace be upon him would tell. Al Mahdi peace upon him to lead the prayers for he is more worthy. The rule of the entire earth would belong to him, and in less than one year he would conquer and rule everything as per the narrations in the previous post.

Whether all the three would be marked in the battle before the sinking, or they would become the generals of his eminence peace upon him, is a matter of discussion and debate among the scholars and they discussed other possibilities as well

The idea that any of the important people are White Europeans or black. Africans is incorrect. Khorsani is a Persian. Sufayni is an Arab of direct sent from Abu Sufayn from illegitimate birth, who killed his own slave, mother. Yamani is an Arab from Yemen.

The idea of it Sufayni is a white man who goes to Syria or a white man from Europe is incorrect. This is idea promoted by people who try to interpret the narrations in a very non-literal and weird way this is like certain people in the east will always think it’s the British who do everything when although the British have their pirates, our countries are largely destroyed by nepotism, grafted, tribalism and corrupt leaders

There may be African-American, European Hispanic and Asians in the 313 or the 10,000 however, the major figures are from with their names indicates they’re from

I heard a person discuss that the first people to support his eminence peace upon him will be African-Americans. There’s nothing wrong with a person having pride in his people, but there’s no proof of the statement and when we look at the current morality in a in America in general, this seems unlikely

There was a discussion years ago when I was still in school with the army of anger would be from West Africa and they would be the followers of Shaikh Zaki because many of them at that time had dreadlocks and long hair but again you dealing with possibilities to change with time

The whole concept of how our youth understand Dajjal there’s very few mentions of him in our narrations. He’s not emphasized at all, but the narrations we have indicate he is a person, not a system, but the main evil one will be. Sufayni 

The idea that Dajjal has been alive in an island since the time of the holy prophet, peace, and blessings, be upon is found mostly in the school of the others, and in one or two we narrations in the ocean of light and a few other books. This person will not be a supernatural person. He will not have great power. He will not control the weather the elements before miracles. This is all in the books of the others. He’ll be a regular corrupt person that has a limited role and effect . He also is not a white man. That is another weird idea. The narrations of the other is the way they describe him. He would most probably be Syrian Turkish Azeri but I can’t recall even seeing an authentic notation from our box that gives its clear description of the man there’s a week of narration that mention he’s a Jewish person that may or may not be true again he is a man not a system

That was a person who came through Christianity as well as briefly to black nationalist Islamic colts. I can tell you most of the insane ideas about this person come from people taking. Isarelat or Jewish legends or narrations based on their scripture. And Nasrat or Christian stories or narrations based on their scripture, more or less the discussion of the beast from the book of revelations.

The arrivals will fascinating is mostly a fairytale

The narration, none of the Arabs would rise up or that they would all be under the heel of a tyrant indicates the Arab countries not Arab people there will be out of people who rise up, but they would have to go to the other indicated places to do it

The narration about different kings would die people get assassinated countries that would fight may or may not have happened in our vague. I knew this from studying in the seminary, the narrations and the politics people discussed let alone after marrying an Arab that you could literally find someone that fulfills these narrations every year.

The narrations about the crime being recited as it was revealed does not mean a new Quran what that means is it would be recited with the correct pronunciation, grammar, pauses, and flow the true Qirat of the 14

The idea of that absolutely technology will be super advanced or super backwards could go either way, depending on which narrations occur happen or we take
 

there’s an interesting discussion that when black and white groups hear a fight in America I mentioned the narration about what was taken being returned to those was taken from. It’s an interesting discussion. I’ve had with some scholars indicating that all of North and South America would belong to the red Indian again there’s a discussion based on 49. All people should return to their homeland and everyone would have a base in the extended Qilba ie a large portion of the middle east centered in Kufa 

There’s a there’s a group in the seminary that talks about a changing of the Klaw and many against it, but the debate on the momentous changes can be reconciled by the fact that the cable would extend from Medina in the north to sanah in the south Kufa in the west and Jerusalem in the east which would then include Karbala and Najaf so it’s not something that needs to be heavily talked about in both views can be reconciled based on the above narrations

The mark of the beast again comes from Christian ideas and has nothing to do with our school. I don’t think letting the government put a chip in you is a good idea but that’s a side issue.

There’s some of the scholars in this, and the students of the seminary of the opinion at the three days tents are pitched in Kufa the dead who died in doubt will be risen and called for three days those who except would live again is believers and be eligible for paradise after their second death those who refused to be killed and sent to hellfire to me this makes more sense than people accepting the faith in purgatory because we have strong narrations from the 14 that say our quick help is for the world or in a session is for the day of judgment. We cannot help you in purgatory. And purgatory is a place. We only bring what you had with you in this world and I fear for you in purgatory. Why do you fear I feel you would get lost and never reach the day of judgment.
 

Please, if anyone has any issues they want to discuss further understand comment or add. Let us all add because this is a very important discussion.

And I’m not criticizing those scholars who hold weaker views or those speakers who hold weaker reviews, but we have to look at the reality many times they’re in areas where they’re living with the other school of thought or other religious groups, and they become influenced by their teaching

in Usul we were studying at the first level two books one with excepts from Al Ansari which in it, he said the scholar is bound to be affected by local custom he also said where are the scholar lives has a great effect on him he also said the scholar cannot help but become biased by his environment and we also studied a short book by Al Mutahaeri in which he bluntly puts the scholar who derives ruling his rulings, are affected by his environment so if this could be true for some of the greatest scholars, it is true for any current scholar, speaker student of knowledge or a lay person 

Wallahu Alam

[Abbas.]

On 9/25/2025 at 12:27 PM, Uni Student said:

Is anyone else feeling like we are rapidly approaching the time for the reappearance of our Imam? With everything that is going on at an increasingly alarming rate, I think we may see him within the next 10 years, maybe sooner? I know we can not put a timestamp on such a thing but it's just a gut feeling which may very well be wrong. I'm 24 and hoping that it happens sooner rather than later, I want to be able to drop everything and go  before I have wife and kids that might hold me back

InshaAllah, it is sooner rather than later. The more we pray to Allah, the earlier is the zuhoor. 

Keep us all in your prayers

Assalam Alaykum

[Eddie Mecca]

On 9/24/2025 at 10:27 PM, Uni Student said:

I'm 24 and hoping that it happens sooner rather than later, I want to be able to drop everything and go  before I have wife and kids that might hold me back

Wife, children, wealth, lofty hopes, desires, dreams, worldly ambitions, longings, pursuit of doctorate degree, old age, obesity etc. cannot be used as excuses... these things are illusions and put there to test your will and your obedience... when Al-Qa'im (peace be upon him) arises you must pack up all your belongings and go to him... whether or not he admits you into his army of 313 or 10,000 is another issue entirely... perhaps many Muslims won't be in these armies but they will be helping from the sidelines 

[Eddie Mecca]

On 9/25/2025 at 11:47 AM, Abu Hassanain said:

we should always be ready and not let Hope lack of distraction prevent us from purify our souls and performing good deeds

Yes, I agree

On 9/25/2025 at 11:47 AM, Abu Hassanain said:

I saw many people destroy themselves waiting for signs

This is why we shouldn't go to either extreme... we should neither be extremely anxious for Imam al-Mahdi's return... nor deny his return or denounce the possibility of his emergence within our lifetimes... we should be soldiers ready to spring into action at a moment's notice (i.e. immediately, instantaneously, or with very little or no warning).

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[Brandon Benton]

I hope so as well, akhi. Looking to the Sayyid of Rasul Allah, salallahu alayhi wa salam, for such a qualified leader to emerge. In our time of fitna and strife it is sorely needed, and the way things are going in the Holy Land it would be an opportune time. Good luck in your studies and may your education be fruitful.

[Eddie Mecca]

On 9/25/2025 at 11:47 AM, Abu Hassanain said:

All the evil people who ever exist existed with rise to join Satan’s army, all the good people who ever exist existed would rise to join the army of the 14

This could be symbolic language 

On 9/25/2025 at 12:07 PM, Abu Hassanain said:

Dajjal there’s very few mentions of him in our narrations

No, he's mentioned in our narrations 

[Eddie Mecca]

On 9/25/2025 at 12:07 PM, Abu Hassanain said:

biased by his environment

Every human being is influenced by their environment including the scholars... the scholars are human beings

[Eddie Mecca]

On 9/25/2025 at 12:07 PM, Abu Hassanain said:

The mark of the beast again comes from Christian ideas and has nothing to do with our school.

Truth can be found in Hindu books, Buddhist books, Jewish books, Christian books and Zoroastrian books... Islam or Shi'ism doesn't have a monopoly on truth... shortsighted is he who believes his faith tradition is the only source of guidance 

[Eddie Mecca]

On 9/25/2025 at 11:47 AM, Abu Hassanain said:

people mixing with the other school.

We are allowed to take knowledge from the Sunnis if it's true and we find the information to be beneficial... Many fundamental principles are shared between the two main branches of Islam and intersectionality is quite common... Sunnis possess the same holy book and worship the same God as we do... Our qibla is the same and our beliefs in the prophets, the angels, the Day of Resurrection, the previous revelations etc. etc. are one... We are allowed to believe in most Sunni narrations, but not all... Likewise, we are allowed to consider most Shi'i narrations trustworthy, but not all... We must use a decerning mind in order to be objective and evaluate properly... We cannot be tribal or biased or emotional... Narrators influenced by ghuluww or narrators who displayed hostility towards Muhammad's family should be handled with extreme caution... If a particular Sunni hadith meets and conforms to the Shi'i standards of authentication then it may be taken without a problem... No wholesale rejection of Sunni literature exists within the house of Shi'ism... No intellectual Shi'i would reject all Sunni narrations outright... Many times we site traditions from Bukhari and Muslim to help prove our case or our stance to the Sunnis... How could this be possible if every single Sunni hadith is considered to be a fabrication?

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[ServantOfMahdi]

Among the signs of the Rise of the Mahdi (عليه السلام) being close at hand is a war Byzantines fight and win with Muslim help in "uqayrān" (Ukraine?).(Kitab al-Fitan of Nuaim ibn Hammad)

The greatest Byzantine (Orthodox Christian) power today is Russia. In the Ukraine War, in which Russia is drawing closer to complete victory, Muslim help to Russians in the form of Iranian drones and missiles, Shia militia veterans of Syrian civil war and Ramzan Kadyrov's Chechen fighters have been crucial.

[Brandon Benton]

3 minutes ago, ServantOfMahdi said:

Among the signs of the Rise of the Mahdi (عليه السلام) being close at hand is a war Byzantines fight and win with Muslim help in "uqayrān" (Ukraine?).(Kitab al-Fitan of Nuaim ibn Hammad)

The greatest Byzantine (Orthodox Christian) power today is Russia. In the Ukraine War, in which Russia is drawing closer to complete victory, Muslim help to Russians in the form of Iranian drones and missiles, Shia militia veterans of Syrian civil war and Ramzan Kadyrov's Chechen fighters have been crucial.

Ridiculous bidah. You are seriously twisting the message of Islam without shame. Ridiculous claims interpreting words.

No Muslim should serve these zionist puppets. It is a shame that Kadryov takes such bribes. Oil money.

Especially when Chechens are such a brave warrior people, now betrayed by their leader with bribes.

[Abu Hassanain]

1 hour ago, Eddie Mecca said:

We are allowed to take knowledge from the Sunnis if it's true and we find the information to be beneficial... Many fundamental principles are shared between the two main branches of Islam and intersectionality is quite common... Sunnis possess the same holy book and worship the same God as we do... Our qibla is the same and our beliefs in the prophets, the angels, the Day of Resurrection, the previous revelations etc. etc. are one... We are allowed to believe in most Sunni narrations, but not all... Likewise, we are allowed to consider most Shi'i narrations trustworthy, but not all... We must use a decerning mind in order to be objective and evaluate properly... We cannot be tribal or biased or emotional... Narrators influenced by ghuluww or narrators who displayed hostility towards Muhammad's family should be handled with extreme caution... If a particular Sunni hadith meets and conforms to the Shi'i standards of authentication then it may be taken without a problem... No wholesale rejection of Sunni literature exists within the house of Shi'ism... No intellectual Shi'i would reject all Sunni narrations outright... Many times we site traditions from Bukhari and Muslim to help prove our case or our stance to the Sunnis... How could this be possible if every single Sunni hadith is considered to be a fabrication?

Salam

Where did you study Ilm ul Rijal ? We use their narrations as the proof of them. They are not proof on us. Some of their narrations can be considered trustworthy, but they have to have at least one of our Shia ex there is a narration from them and in that chain is Abu Dhar 

I know the situation of Michigan, where we have the Muslim code of conduct in the group that meets once a month but there’s only two or three of our minor scholars that attend that from the pictures I see it hasn’t changed much

None of the Iraqi center is up-and-down Warren bother much with it. 
 

The vast majority ofof our scholars do not allow considering their narrations for making legal rulings . 
 

We do not consider permissible to follow their school of thought or their theology

I don’t oppose peaceful coexistence, but there is only one acceptable form of Islam in reality our narrations are very clear about this

my Iranian colleague in Detroit is the most unity person ever but even he does not consider their narrations is a proof on us and if he does, that’s new, but I highly doubt it. I knew him for years. I watched his kids grow up.

Every single one of their narrations is not a fabrication, but it is not allowable for us to build their theology or laws on them

We have a rule in principles of law that says if you don’t know what to do do the opposite of the Sunni if there are two opinions, this goes back to his historical precedent that Abu Hanifa would give the opposite rolling of Imam Sadiq as 

[Abu Hassanain]

2 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

We are allowed to take knowledge from the Sunnis if it's true and we find the information to be beneficial... Many fundamental principles are shared between the two main branches of Islam and intersectionality is quite common... Sunnis possess the same holy book and worship the same God as we do... Our qibla is the same and our beliefs in the prophets, the angels, the Day of Resurrection, the previous revelations etc. etc. are one... We are allowed to believe in most Sunni narrations, but not all... Likewise, we are allowed to consider most Shi'i narrations trustworthy, but not all... We must use a decerning mind in order to be objective and evaluate properly... We cannot be tribal or biased or emotional... Narrators influenced by ghuluww or narrators who displayed hostility towards Muhammad's family should be handled with extreme caution... If a particular Sunni hadith meets and conforms to the Shi'i standards of authentication then it may be taken without a problem... No wholesale rejection of Sunni literature exists within the house of Shi'ism... No intellectual Shi'i would reject all Sunni narrations outright... Many times we site traditions from Bukhari and Muslim to help prove our case or our stance to the Sunnis... How could this be possible if every single Sunni hadith is considered to be a fabrication?

Salam

in our major books and scholars of Ilm ul Rijal which is one of the first subjects when you join the seminary, I remember Shaikh Saied and Shaikh Sharif in their dars in NYC may Allah rest their  souls and Shaikh Safdar in Dearborn as well as numerous Shayuq by correspondence when I first started all emphasizing this point that

Sahih narrations must have all Adl Shia narrators

Hassan must have all thiqah narrators 

Muwathaq must have at least all reliable narrators, and one of them should be Shia in a preferably, should connect to the source from a Shia 

In the many years of my continuing study from those early days of the beginning, I have not seen any of my professors, teachers colleagues, or the senior scholars except one or two here and there go against this type of thinking

Don’t have time to look for more scholarly article, but the auto search thing here pull this up

 

[AbdusSibtayn]

4 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam

Where did you study Ilm ul Rijal ? We use their narrations as the proof of them. They are not proof on us. Some of their narrations can be considered trustworthy, but they have to have at least one of our Shia ex there is a narration from them and in that chain is Abu Dhar 

I know the situation of Michigan, where we have the Muslim code of conduct in the group that meets once a month but there’s only two or three of our minor scholars that attend that from the pictures I see it hasn’t changed much

None of the Iraqi center is up-and-down Warren bother much with it. 
 

The vast majority ofof our scholars do not allow considering their narrations for making legal rulings . 
 

We do not consider permissible to follow their school of thought or their theology

I don’t oppose peaceful coexistence, but there is only one acceptable form of Islam in reality our narrations are very clear about this

my Iranian colleague in Detroit is the most unity person ever but even he does not consider their narrations is a proof on us and if he does, that’s new, but I highly doubt it. I knew him for years. I watched his kids grow up.

Every single one of their narrations is not a fabrication, but it is not allowable for us to build their theology or laws on them

We have a rule in principles of law that says if you don’t know what to do do the opposite of the Sunni if there are two opinions, this goes back to his historical precedent that Abu Hanifa would give the opposite rolling of Imam Sadiq as 

 

4 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam

in our major books and scholars of Ilm ul Rijal which is one of the first subjects when you join the seminary, I remember Shaikh Saied and Shaikh Sharif in their dars in NYC may Allah rest their  souls and Shaikh Safdar in Dearborn as well as numerous Shayuq by correspondence when I first started all emphasizing this point that

Sahih narrations must have all Adl Shia narrators

Hassan must have all thiqah narrators 

Muwathaq must have at least all reliable narrators, and one of them should be Shia in a preferably, should connect to the source from a Shia 

In the many years of my continuing study from those early days of the beginning, I have not seen any of my professors, teachers colleagues, or the senior scholars except one or two here and there go against this type of thinking

Don’t have time to look for more scholarly article, but the auto search thing here pull this up

 

This isn't even unique to us. Even they don't consider our books and our narrations to be hujjah. Narrators or narrations with the mildest hint of Tashayyu, let alone Rafd, are summarily rejected. 

 

 

Anyway, while not derailing the brother's thread, academic fascination with eschatology is good, maniacal fixation with this topic and forced تطبيق in all the signs found within the narrations according to contemporary events is wrong. 

If one is interested in the topic of Mahdawiyyah itself, there is more than enough material in our books to research on. Heck, Nu'mani, Tusi, and Majlisi's books alone are more than laymen like us can handle.

One doesn't need to borrow from other sects (where the Mahdi عجل الله فرجه الشريف isn't even that major a figure; he doesn't have the cosmic and messianic role that he has in our school, and for them he's just a general who leads them successfully to victory in war, nothing more) or bury oneself in crazy, unauthenticated, unsourced conspiracy theory material gleaned from internet videos and fringe groups. 

One should be wary of the big difference between إتحاد (unity) and  اختلاط (muddling things together). 

[Eddie Mecca]

19 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

They are not proof on us.

Truth is binding on you regardless of the source 

19 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Ilm ul Rijal

Forget ilm al Rijal for a moment... you're obsessed with ilm al Rijal... ilm al Rijal is a worthy and helpful science but matn trumps sanad almost every time... in the beginning there were only narrations... the science of ilm al rijal evolved latter in order to help categorize and develop a system of verification, authentication etc.... the content of a hadith is what matters most... the content of a narration should agree with the Qurʾān, common sense, logic, reason, reality and universal law or universal principles... I want to add modern science but science is always in a state of perpetual flux so we'll eschew or forgo the inclusion of science 

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[Eddie Mecca]

19 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Some of their narrations can be considered trustworthy, but they have to have at least one of our Shia ex there is a narration from them and in that chain is Abu Dhar 

Chain of transmitters composed of predominantly non-Twelver narrators may be deemed reliable if the narrators are considered to be trustworthy, reliable, honest, nonsectarian etc.... Generally the sanad will not be categorized as authentic but it can still be classified as "mu'tabar” (i.e. slightly lower rank than sahih)

[Eddie Mecca]

21 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

We do not consider permissible to follow their school of thought or their theology

Nobody is saying to include or incorporate aspects of their theology, their legal system, their aqeedah, their marriage rituals, their morning Tai Chi or yoga routine(s) etc.... c'mon brother... you're attempting to build a strawman argument now

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[Eddie Mecca]

20 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

there is only one acceptable form of Islam

So you believe all Sunnis are kuffār and they're all going to hell?

 

20 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

if you don’t know what to do do the opposite of the Sunni

This is insanity of the highest order... so if Muʿāwiyah says "there is only One God" you will start believing in seven gods? This is absurdity and madness of the highest order 

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[Eddie Mecca]

On 9/25/2025 at 11:07 AM, Abu Hassanain said:

The idea of it Sufayni is a white man who goes to Syria or a white man from Europe is incorrect

[Mod Note: The following video has been reported as having differing views on some issues from classical scholars such as Sheikh Mohammed Al-Hilli. Viewer discretion is advised.]

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[Eddie Mecca]

^^^He's a light-skinned Arab who is trained and educated in the West (i.e. School of the Americas?).. his allegiance is to the Europeans (i.e. the Romans)... He's a murtad, a munafiq and a descendant of Abu Sufyan but his identity is concealed... I believe the "Christian cross around his neck" is meant to be a symbolic description and not a literal one... it shows that he's a undercover spy for the West and he's aligned with the Dajjal... I can see how some youngsters might become confused by the description 

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[Abu Hassanain]

2 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Chain of transmitters composed of predominantly non-Twelver narrators may be deemed reliable if the narrators are considered to be trustworthy, reliable, honest, nonsectarian etc.... Generally the sanad will not be categorized as authentic but it can still be classified as "mu'tabar” (i.e. slightly lower rank than sahih)

Salam

not the view of our mentor Sayyid Khoy muwathaq needs at least one Shia in their chains 

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[Abu Hassanain]

1 hour ago, Eddie Mecca said:

 

Salam

I tried to keep up with many of my contemporary and colleagues. I did look at this particular series or doing my hour of cardio on the elliptical during the 68 days.

this speakers views are not in accordance with the views of many other speakers such as Shaikh Muhammad Hilli . He does very nice work on ethics and practical wayfaring, but there’s a little bit of difference between him and the classic scholars and his interpretation of the narration about the end times.

Wallahu Alam 

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[Abu Hassanain]

2 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

So you believe all Sunnis are kuffār and they're all going to hell?

 

This is insanity of the highest order... so if Muʿāwiyah says "there is only One God" you will start believing in seven gods? This is absurdity and madness of the highest order 

Salam

This a rule for Fiqh not Aqaidah . Shaikh Muhammad Fawaz Siraj of The IMAM Hawza of GA has done some really good work on this topic a series of his lectures

[Abu Hassanain]

2 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

So you believe all Sunnis are kuffār and they're all going to hell?

 

This is insanity of the highest order... so if Muʿāwiyah says "there is only One God" you will start believing in seven gods? This is absurdity and madness of the highest order 

Salam

Aqaidah is a personal matter,  However majority of our scholars are of the view that Sunni are Muslim outwardly but not inwardly in the individual book for students of sath and Kharij called Kitab Taharah by both Sayyid Khoy and Sayyid Khumanyi going to great detail on the subject with its proofss

Sufficient is the following narration for the purposes of this general discussion Imam Sadiq as said whoever rejects one of us rejects all of us 

Most of the scholars were the opinion that the other school of thought would have to convert in purgatory or during the return, or if some of them would make it to paradise it would only be through the intercession of the Shia 

I can call publicly here because they’re alive, but I’ve had conversations with the high representatives of many of the senior scholars who openly said it’s a shame people don’t understand that only 12er Shia go to heaven they would’ve done a better job, trying to convert their friends and family again I can’t mention who said it, but I’ve heard similar statements from dozens of Wakil 

There’s a debate between some of the scholars on usul din and usul manthab however I follow the side of the view that usul din are 5 and I’m salvation in this world. The next my views tend to align similarly to Al Majalisi and Al Bahraini 

Wallahu Alam 

[Abu Hassanain]

3 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Truth is binding on you regardless of the source 

Forget ilm al Rijal for a moment... you're obsessed with ilm al Rijal... ilm al Rijal is a worthy and helpful science but matn trumps sanad almost every time... in the beginning there were only narrations... the science of ilm al rijal evolved latter in order to help categorize and develop a system of verification, authentication etc.... the content of a hadith is what matters most... the content of a narration should agree with the Qurʾān, common sense, logic, reason, reality and universal law or universal principles... I want to add modern science but science is always in a state of perpetual flux so we'll eschew or forgo the inclusion of science 

Salam

truth from an unreliable person usually is recommended to be gaged with precaution meaning of an unreliable person tells you something is permissible. Generally, you should consider it in permissible.

For example, a brother once asked me such, and such says that you can listen to certain types of music and their permissible. I said such such is not a reliable person automatically you should ignore what he says on.

Similarly, if someone says such and such act is only recommended, you don’t have to do it if they’re not reliable, you should consider that act and obligation

Wallahu Alam 

[Abu Hassanain]

3 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Truth is binding on you regardless of the source 

Forget ilm al Rijal for a moment... you're obsessed with ilm al Rijal... ilm al Rijal is a worthy and helpful science but matn trumps sanad almost every time... in the beginning there were only narrations... the science of ilm al rijal evolved latter in order to help categorize and develop a system of verification, authentication etc.... the content of a hadith is what matters most... the content of a narration should agree with the Qurʾān, common sense, logic, reason, reality and universal law or universal principles... I want to add modern science but science is always in a state of perpetual flux so we'll eschew or forgo the inclusion of science 

Salam

which scholar of the seminary gave you permission to consider the text before the chain. It’s not about the chain, overriding the taxes the fact that you don’t even have permission to use the narration or look at its text before looking at its chain in evaluating it when it comes to law and theology. 
 

Saying narration has to agree with the Quran correct however lay are not in a position to understand what does or doesn’t agree with the Quran many times I’ve met people said this isn’t in accordance with the Quran and then you go look at some of the commentaries some of the narration, etc., with the scholars have said in it very clearly does

We have an established system in the absence of the last luminary peace upon him we have our Hawza Ilmiyah and we must go in accordance with the scholars of it

If it comes to so-called common sense or strong narration, I will take the strong narration every time.

It is better to be precautionous . 

Also saying someone’s obsessed with a certain subject which is legitimate and the foundation of the vast majority of the seminary subjects along with Dariyat Qadwaid Usul Sarf it’s just a strange thing to do

This is not becoming that followers of the school of the 14th speak to each other in such a way 

[AbdusSibtayn]

6 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam

Aqaidah is a personal matter,  However majority of our scholars are of the view that Sunni are Muslim outwardly but not inwardly in the individual book for students of sath and Kharij called Kitab Taharah by both Sayyid Khoy and Sayyid Khumanyi going to great detail on the subject with its proofss

Sufficient is the following narration for the purposes of this general discussion Imam Sadiq as said whoever rejects one of us rejects all of us 

Most of the scholars were the opinion that the other school of thought would have to convert in purgatory or during the return, or if some of them would make it to paradise it would only be through the intercession of the Shia 

I can call publicly here because they’re alive, but I’ve had conversations with the high representatives of many of the senior scholars who openly said it’s a shame people don’t understand that only 12er Shia go to heaven they would’ve done a better job, trying to convert their friends and family again I can’t mention who said it, but I’ve heard similar statements from dozens of Wakil 

There’s a debate between some of the scholars on usul din and usul manthab however I follow the side of the view that usul din are 5 and I’m salvation in this world. The next my views tend to align similarly to Al Majalisi and Al Bahraini 

Wallahu Alam 

Salam, 

Just a few words as addendum and clarification here, with a request that they not be taken otherwise- not saying that you are wrong, but the 'ammah being Muslims بالظاهر doesn't automatically make them disbelievers from the inside; the vast majority of them are in the category of مستضعفين. They don't reach the level of kufr unless they are guilty of إنكار مع الجهد once itmam al-hujjah has been done and they have no more wiggle room to deny the wilayah of the Ahl al-Bayt (عليهم السلام). This is what Shaykh Saduq (rh) has said in his i'tiqadat. They are Muslims  (not Mu'mineen) until proven otherwise- that is, when they stubbornly and openly reject the Ahl al-Bayt جهدا و جهودا. 

I felt a clarification must be posted because this is a point that the nawasib and especially the Wahhabis exploit- that the Shi'a mass-takfir all non-Imamis. 

Had the A'immah considered them disbelievers, they wouldn't have asked us to join their prayers and funerals, and let us marry them, inherit from our 'Ammi relatives, and eat their dhabihah. 

So long as an 'Ammi is a مستضعف and not a منكر , the possibility of salvation remains open to him and he has legitimate 'udhr. 

Edited October 1 by AbdusSibtayn

[Eddie Mecca]

10 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

which scholar of the seminary gave you permission

We cannot inhale oxygen or take a single step forward without written permission from a scholar of the seminary in Najaf or Qom? Mashallah, this is a new concept for me. Which scholar of the seminary granted you the permission to make mass takfir on approximately 80% of the Muslim Ummah? You are misquoting Imam Khomeini and Ayatollah al-Khoei... Religion is primarily a matter of the heart... Allah will decide who will enter Jannah and who will enter Jahannam on a case-by-case basis... Many, many, many, many components are taken into account when assessing or weighing the hearts of men... The inner dimensions of the soul is an intricate matter... A person's background, their intentions, their motives, their outside influences, the zeigest of a particular timeperiod, age, nationality, gender, height, weight, socioeconomic status, exposure to the truth etc. etc. will be determining factors... You're worldview and methodology are too simplistic to be taken seriously... I wish salvation merely depended on acknowledging 14 infallible people... or recognizing Christ's sacrifice on the cross... or being born Zionist and a member of God's chosen elite children... or believing in a radical and stringent interpretation of tawheed coined by a deviant Najdi cleric who lived 200 - 300 years ago and aided in the collapse the Ottoman Sultanate by collaborating with the British Crown... What an easy path to heaven this would be! Alas, the situation is much more complicated, dynamic and intricate... Shi'ism does not teach universal condemnation of non-believers to hell... This is Takfiri ideology... Many Jews, Christians, Sabians etc. will enter the gates of paradise... Many of those who classify themselves as diehard adherents of the Prophet's family (a) will be in for a rude awakening come Judgement Day

Edited October 1 by Eddie Mecca
Grammar

[Abu Hassanain]

On 10/1/2025 at 2:15 PM, Eddie Mecca said:

We cannot inhale oxygen or take a single step forward without written permission from a scholar of the seminary in Najaf or Qom? Mashallah, this is a new concept for me. Which scholar of the seminary granted you the permission to make mass takfir on approximately 80% of the Muslim Ummah? You are misquoting Imam Khomeini and Ayatollah al-Khoei... Religion is primarily a matter of the heart... Allah will decide who will enter Jannah and who will enter Jahannam on a case-by-case basis... Many, many, many, many components are taken into account when assessing or weighing the hearts of men... The inner dimensions of the soul is an intricate matter... A person's background, their intentions, their motives, their outside influences, the zeigest of a particular timeperiod, age, nationality, gender, height, weight, socioeconomic status, exposure to the truth etc. etc. will be determining factors... You're worldview and methodology are too simplistic to be taken seriously... I wish salvation merely depended on acknowledging 14 infallible people... or recognizing Christ's sacrifice on the cross... or being born Zionist and a member of God's chosen elite children... or believing in a radical and stringent interpretation of tawheed coined by a deviant Najdi cleric who lived 200 - 300 years ago and aided in the collapse the Ottoman Sultanate by collaborating with the British Crown... What an easy path to heaven this would be! Alas, the situation is much more complicated, dynamic and intricate... Shi'ism does not teach universal condemnation of non-believers to hell... This is Takfiri ideology... Many Jews, Christians, Sabians etc. will enter the gates of paradise... Many of those who classify themselves as diehard adherents of the Prophet's family (a) will be in for a rude awakening come Judgement Day

Salam

my veiws have been approved by my teachers and those who reviewed by methods and credentials and either confirmed or gave Ijaza as having been from sound sources 

Agreeing that a view comes from a valid methodology source doesn’t mean that those particular scholars hold that same view

Ayatullah Berri 

Ayatullah Sakhwat 

Sayyid Faharat Musawi 

Shaikh Safdar 

Sayyid Muhammad Hussayn Jalali 

Shaikh Misbahzadeh

Shaikj Saied Abdur Rashid 

Shaikh Muhammad Sharif Bey

Shaikh Muhammad Asadi 

permission thru correspondence

Ayatullah Lari

Ayatullah Fadlallah

Ayatullah Khamenei 

I have not missed quoted. Either of the two scholars go back and read their book on ritual purity. They have given general statements in those books that I can’t quote here.
 

The verse about the different groups cannot mean that because of the verses between 80 and 90 in chapter 3

go see what Allammah Tabatabai Ra said in Mizan about how the meaning of a verse totally changes once the word sabians is used Look what Ayatullah Pooya said 

There is a person who’s been running a center in Canada for 50 years. He has permission of representation from three major scholars. He led the Hodge delegation on behalf of another scholar, and he himself studied at the third level with five major scholars.

He openly said that every one of the grand scholars statements in a roundabout way, declare the prayers invalid of the majority of people based on the folding of the hands and the saying of amin

Not all of the scholars, the clergy men, or the students of knowledge have liberal western views

To be honest, I’ve only ever seen African-American in Lebanese, hold the majority of views you quote

I’m not saying that’s good or bad but you just you can’t discount my view because you don’t agree with it

Especially when I can produce commentary, narrations fields of scholarships and opinions of scholars, as well as research on the matter

I’m not necessarily here to argue with people I came here to try to keep a low profile and to turn the tide of the watering down of religion and deviation of the faith that’s going on all over the country

The other school of thought and people of other religions, if proof wasn’t completed on them, and if they were in doubt would rise from the dead during the kingdom of return, and during the three days he calls at the pitch tense the last luminary would teach the faith who are except it would be saved whoever doesn’t would perish by his sword other narrations indicate some people would get a chance on the day of judgment, but nobody would enter heaven until they accept the correct belief 

Belief and actions go together honestly I don’t really quote them here, but I will now I take the narration that this Nate you have heard this nation will divide into 73 fractions 60 of them are enemies 13 our love or liars and one is sincere of that one sincere group 2/3 would be like Australia and only one third would achieve salvation

One has to be walking the path of practical self purification, avoiding sin, have the correct belief and the correct actions

Most of the nation, including myself would probably have to go through purification and purgatory or hell

We make numerous choices in the primordial world of souls and act out those choices on this world that’s a separate discussion, but that’s a big point of contention between the different scholars overseas and has many views

like I said, I don’t wanna broadcast too much about myself here but if you wanna know to what level I studied what I teach credentials, etc. private message me because I don’t wanna broadcast my credentials if people figure out who I am fine, but I’m just trying to keep a low profile and help turn back the tide of lack of religiosity among our youth teach the correct religion and maintain the old way 

I’m not against sciences I use quantum physics and psychology to do Quran commentary all the time, but I hold a very traditional views

Even my method of teaching jurisprudence is a mix of several modern methods and the method from the Safavid period

Like I said, I really didn’t wanna have to get into the public comments too much about myself. I’m simply the lowest of the low and the most wretched, a voice crying out in the desert wind your brother in Islam.

wallahu Alam 

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam

praise be to Allah for all who have participated in this thread

May Allah forgive us all

And for those who dislike the answer to questions they ask the answer to prove they ask for Allah those best no problem

The interpretation views and opinions of the senior scholars, the upperclassman scholars, the mid ranking scholars, the junior scholars, the students of knowledge, the mystics, and the juris are as numerous as the drops of rain or grains of the desert sand 

Let us respect all viewpoints, even if they differ from our own as long as they can be substantiated by the verses narrations Islamic sciences, views of the early modern scholars in books of firm knowledge

May the master of the era in the remnant of God on earth come quick

May he establish Allah’s kingdom under his banner and pass the banner to the 12 guided ones being prophet Muhammad up until his father ruling in their second life in the kingdom of return

Then may he rule again till the end of time and may the hour be established

May we work hard, purify our souls and honing our knowledge and applying our knowledge and teaching our knowledge that we may call others to the arc of salvation

Remember, for example, our mentor Sayyid Khoy did not speak bad words or become angry with our mentor Sayyid Khumanyi due to the difference in the rulings on transgender or Islamic government

Nor did Sayyid Khamenei speak against or say bad words about or two Shaikh Sanei because one allowed women to lead the prayer of men and one did not both accepted and respected each other research, deduction and proofs, though they disagreed from the particulars of the third level in its sciences

let us all try to respect each other‘s views, and be polite with one another

la waliyah la tawhid la waliyah la risalah 

Imam Sadiq as said if a person after performing his five prayers spent every night in extra prayer and every day fasting  paid zakat khums and we have all his access money in charity  went on Hajj Umrah Ziyarah every fought jihad at every occasion enjoying the writing forbid the wrong, but he did not have the guardianship of the people of the house his deeds are as the holy book says like ashes in the wind

A longer more obscure version of a common narration, so we have narrations that support my views, and we have narration that support the views of my teachers, and we have narrations that support the views of others in their teachers

Wallahu Alam 

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam

I will pray for our Shia chat community after Majalis Saidat tonight

Tazbah Fiamanallah to all 

[Abu Nur]

On 9/30/2025 at 5:20 PM, AbdusSibtayn said:

One doesn't need to borrow from other sects (where the Mahdi عجل الله فرجه الشريف isn't even that major a figure; he doesn't have the cosmic and messianic role that he has in our school, and for them he's just a general who leads them successfully to victory in war, nothing more) or bury oneself in crazy, unauthenticated, unsourced conspiracy theory material gleaned from internet videos and fringe groups. 

Exactly. If only you hear the sham narrations and how they are the saints who will join Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) and how Mekkans (wahhabis) will give him bay'ah is just too far fetched. In one Sunni narration they go and say that those sufyani army who was swallowed in earth between Mecca and Medinah will be given another chance. Nothing really make any sense. 

[Abu Nur]

20 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

So you believe all Sunnis are kuffār and they're all going to hell?

No, only those who deny or reject the truth and the position of Imam Ali (عليه السلام) and the Imams (عليه السلام) will not be accepted. It is exactly how Shaytan rejected and will be put in Hell Fire. 

Same goes with those who believe in kufr beliefs about God. 

Qur'an does not shy about it and ot clearly says it.