Aqeeqah Timing and Muharram

[AAA235]

Salam,

I had a question regarding if it’s ok to do Aqiqah on a date before Eid-e-Zehra (9th Rabi-ul-awal) for a child born in Muharram/Safar months since Eid-e-Zehra is usually considered the end of mourning period. Thank you

[Borntowitnesstruth]

1 hour ago, AAA235 said:

Salam,

I had a question regarding if it’s ok to do Aqiqah on a date before Eid-e-Zehra (9th Rabi-ul-awal) for a child born in Muharram/Safar months since Eid-e-Zehra is usually considered the end of mourning period. Thank you

As a Shia, you should wait till mourning period is over. Aqeeqah can be performed even after 7 days. Muslims should avoid celebrating in the days of mourning. 

 

[Ashvazdanghe]

5 hours ago, AAA235 said:

Salam,

I had a question regarding if it’s ok to do Aqiqah on a date before Eid-e-Zehra (9th Rabi-ul-awal) for a child born in Muharram/Safar months since Eid-e-Zehra is usually considered the end of mourning period. Thank you

Salam respectfully so called Eid-e-Zehra (9th Rabi-ul-awal) is not a valid Eid (celebration) which only a grouplet holds it based on increasing hate between Sunni & shia muslim which you can do  Aqiqah on any time even during Muharram/Safar without optional celebration by doing charity .

[Abu Hassanain]

4 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

As a Shia, you should wait till mourning period is over. Aqeeqah can be performed even after 7 days. Muslims should avoid celebrating in the days of mourning. 

 

Salam 

the aqiqah including Duas at birth, circumcision, the supplication for the protection from the evil that the holy prophet peace, and blessings upon him performed for Imam Hussayn as, as well as donating the value of the weight of the baby in gold and silver, as well as sacrificing the animal with the supplications can definitely be done on the exact seventh day after birth

The issue becomes celebrating showing joy, happiness, and wearing other than black or general colors of morning

When you look at the text of the supplications this was meant to be a time of praying seeking refuge and protect protection. All of the supplications are about the protection of the child, seeking Raffi from the evil of men and the evil eye the health of the child through certain good deed, securing the safety of the child, etc..
 

I’ve actually been around Muslims from all over the world and haven’t really seen it treated as a party or a celebration. That’s referring to all kinds of Arabs Persians in African-American Muslims. I don’t know the particular traditions of the Indians Pakistani or Khoja specifically and I haven’t seen what east Asian Muslims do. Most of the Africans have seen. It becomes a thing of just charity.
 

In general, which most people neglect in what I’ve seen the food isn’t supposed to be served at the Cycladic centers and houses and passed around friends and relatives if they have money. It was originally a practice that they have been corrupted in the time of pre-Islamic ignorance that the profit, peace and blessings upon him corrected and restored. At the masjid at that time, many poor people came to pray who are part of the community. would many people I know do want to keep with the spirit of the actual ritual. Tradition is to donate the meat to the local homeless shelter. I know a few people that try to keep with the tradition of giving a fourth of the meat to the delivery team, I’ve never heard of any of them taking them, but it’s nice to try to implement that narration.

The 68 days or days of morning and in following the fourth, we should have daily service and Majalis . There’s a whole discussion that he actually had morning in programs even on the road to Syria in the dungeon under house arrest and for a total of six years and 58 days until the heads were brought to him not all historians hold the same view, but it’s a very interesting discussion. We have narrations here and there that you can piece together from various sources that show exactly how he did the programs
 

Most communities don’t necessarily follow that format because his were after the midday prayers every day hours are not. This idea of that speeches or something we do is awesome not correct we have discussion of him bringing three people to recite in front of him than him reciting, etc..
 

I say this to say that we must take the holy 60 days is great days of morning and grief, but we don’t throw out one is Islamic ritual because of another Islamic ritual for example we don’t say I’m fasting. I’m not gonna pray unfortunately there’s a lot of people in our community like that, but that’s a separate issue. We perform the necessary, rituals and supplication without celebrating.  For the aqiqah .

the aqiqah is for protection and safety, not celebrating

If someone’s birthday falls, for example we would never have a parody. We would never say the word happy in fact I don’t even use the word happy in tax during the 68 days but we would say may you have a solemn and blessed birthday or may you live another year and obedience to Allah and that would be at it. 
 

We perform no marriages we make no engagements, etc. we celebrate nothing. We stay in a state of morning and grief till happiness is restored.

if this aqiqah are being made to celebration that has nothing to do with the religion, the ceremony supplications, protect protecting and safety and charity and distribution of the meat has to do with a religion the 68 days of morning have to do with a religion one doesn’t contradict the other so long as you don’t add cultural things of celebrating during these great days of greif  good morning. 
 

 

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam 

just realized I didn’t clarify right there right the weight of the baby’s hair which is cut is given in gold and silver not the babies body weight. Some people do that and that’s fine but its extra.

[ShiaMan14]

10 hours ago, AAA235 said:

Salam,

I had a question regarding if it’s ok to do Aqiqah on a date before Eid-e-Zehra (9th Rabi-ul-awal) for a child born in Muharram/Safar months since Eid-e-Zehra is usually considered the end of mourning period. Thank you

You should do the religious part (shaving hair, sadqa, etc.) within 7 days and hold celebration post Eid-e-Zehra.

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam 

maybe I’m just old @ShiaMan14 but are there actually people who have a celebration?? I haven’t really seen that and I feel like 30 states is a lot of places in the US. Generally in the ad of in Persian community, I’ve seen distribution of the meat and announcing the name of the child to the community sometimes after Juma.

Is this a big deal in some communities ? Like for example BismiAllah and Amin ceremonies in the Indian Pakistani community? I’ve seen those very elaborate were again a lot of Arab communities. I know just give kids money when they finish reading the whole Quran or finish memorizing it.
 

Input appreciated

[ShiaMan14]

10 minutes ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam 

maybe I’m just old @ShiaMan14 but are there actually people who have a celebration?? I haven’t really seen that and I feel like 30 states is a lot of places in the US. Generally in the ad of in Persian community, I’ve seen distribution of the meat and announcing the name of the child to the community sometimes after Juma.

Is this a big deal in some communities ? Like for example BismiAllah and Amin ceremonies in the Indian Pakistani community? I’ve seen those very elaborate were again a lot of Arab communities. I know just give kids money when they finish reading the whole Quran or finish memorizing it.
 

Input appreciated

Yes definitely there are people who hold big celebrations for aqiqah...usually for the first born

[Abu Hassanain]

3 hours ago, ShiaMan14 said:

Yes definitely there are people who hold big celebrations for aqiqah...usually for the first born

Salam makes sense 

[Borntowitnesstruth]

16 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam 

the aqiqah including Duas at birth, circumcision, the supplication for the protection from the evil that the holy prophet peace, and blessings upon him performed for Imam Hussayn as, as well as donating the value of the weight of the baby in gold and silver, as well as sacrificing the animal with the supplications can definitely be done on the exact seventh day after birth

Love begets love my brother. When my religion has given me space to perform aqeeqah any day in the life of my child, then aqeeqah can wait. In the meantime, I would focus on my child getting blessings of family of Prophet (PBUHHP) both by postponing aqeeqah ceremony till mourning period and letting my child listen Quran and Zikr of Ahlebait (عليه السلام). I would not perform traditions of aqeeqah which is reflection of happiness in the days when I can imagine that in these days tears of Ahlebait did not cease to stop. 

 

[Abu Hassanain]

55 minutes ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

Love begets love my brother. When my religion has given me space to perform aqeeqah any day in the life of my child, then aqeeqah can wait. In the meantime, I would focus on my child getting blessings of family of Prophet (PBUHHP) both by postponing aqeeqah ceremony till mourning period and letting my child listen Quran and Zikr of Ahlebait (عليه السلام). I would not perform traditions of aqeeqah which is reflection of happiness in the days when I can imagine that in these days tears of Ahlebait did not cease to stop. 

 

Salam

do what you feel is your obligation and what your Marja allows.

I never considered the aqiqah a celebration nor anyone from my adopted culture or my family tribe does. However, that doesn’t mean that others are their culture wouldn’t so this is just a little different discussion or thought for me.

In fact, I would be quite worried about not performing the supplications in the ears, the supplications and decorations of the faith, the beliefs, the acts in the decorations with mention of the 14 and cursing their enemies, after to not perform the supplications recited of the time of circumcision to not shave the head recite the supplications and donate the money and do not slaughter the animal with the correct supplications and donate its meat to the poor and the birth team as these are means of protection from evil and harm.

I personally could not delay the recitation of the supplication to protect from the evil Eye that the holy prophet, peace, and blessings upon him recited over Imam Hussayn as . Again, this is my preference to performing recommended acts as opposed to cultural celebration and fear quite literal fear for the protection of my child.

Again, maybe for some people these actions are a celebration for us. It is a means of protection. There is a difference between culture and the narrations.

If one could do the acts that are recommended by the 14 without celebration, that would be the best thing.

It’s a long historical discussion where you have to piece together a lot of references but basically for six years in 58 days Imam Sajjad as held morning gatherings on the road in the dungeon in house, arrest, and back in his home in Medina. Had the heads of the killers of his father’s not been brought to him and had he not smiled. We would’ve never stopped morning. Thus after the event of the ninth morning, stop being continuous and became two months and eight days annually. There are narrations about what people avoided during their time eating good food, wearing clothes, other than black applying make up lighting a fire in the house basically things that expressed joy, but people are still performing the mandatory and recommended acts.

There is an narration that said what wedding is there after Colaw the person was shocked asked the sixth Imam as can we never marry, he said no, or rather at your weddings have some lamentation for Imam Hussayn as . So similarly an alternative to having a celebratory mood after the rituals of aqiqah would be to present a child show the name and to have a Majalis dedicated to the deceased relatives
 

also, I don’t know if you’re married or have kids yet, but these narrations in implementing them for protection you have a different viewpoint of them sometimes when the child is actually born, I thought a lot of things before I had a child that I didn’t actually think once I had a child

I never thought anything was wrong with taking pictures of children before I had a child. Once my child was born. I refused to let anyone take pictures until after eight days.once the aqiqah was done .

As for the 68 days of Ahza I applaud you for keeping them solemn in dignified. Many have abandoned the daily Majalis that was the tradition of Aimmah Ulama and People. Men are abandoning, wearing black clothes. And do strange things such as attending movies, reading, funny literature, and conducting Mutah and many other strange and odd things so I commend you for striving to keep these days holy

Food for thought interested in hearing your opinion

Edited August 1 by Abu Hassanain
Wanted to present points in best way

[Borntowitnesstruth]

29 minutes ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam

do what you feel is your obligation and what your Marja allows.

I never considered the aqiqah a celebration nor anyone from my adopted culture or my family tribe does. However, that doesn’t mean that others are their culture wouldn’t so this is just a little different discussion or thought for me.

In fact, I would be quite worried about not performing the supplications in the ears, the supplications and decorations of the faith, the beliefs, the acts in the decorations with mention of the 14 and cursing their enemies, after to not perform the supplications recited of the time of circumcision to not shave the head recite the supplications and donate the money and do not slaughter the animal with the correct supplications and donate its meat to the poor and the birth team as these are means of protection from evil and harm.

I personally could not delay the recitation of the supplication to protect from the evil Eye that the holy prophet, peace, and blessings upon him recited over Imam Hussayn as . Again, this is my preference to performing recommended acts as opposed to cultural celebration and fear quite literal fear for the protection of my child.

Again, maybe for some people these actions are a celebration for us. It is a means of protection. There is a difference between culture and the narrations.

If one could do the acts that are recommended by the 14 without celebration, that would be the best thing.

It’s a long historical discussion where you have to piece together a lot of references but basically for six years in 58 days Imam Sajjad as held morning gatherings on the road in the dungeon in house, arrest, and back in his home in Medina. Had the heads of the killers of his father’s not been brought to him and had he not smiled. We would’ve never stopped morning. Thus after the event of the ninth morning, stop being continuous and became two months and eight days annually. There are narrations about what people avoided during their time eating good food, wearing clothes, other than black applying make up lighting a fire in the house basically things that expressed joy, but people are still performing the mandatory and recommended acts.

There is an narration that said what wedding is there after Colaw the person was shocked asked the sixth Imam as can we never marry, he said no, or rather at your weddings have some lamentation for Imam Hussayn as . So similarly an alternative to having a celebratory mood after the rituals of aqiqah would be to present a child show the name and to have a Majalis dedicated to the deceased relatives
 

also, I don’t know if you’re married or have kids yet, but these narrations in implementing them for protection you have a different viewpoint of them sometimes when the child is actually born, I thought a lot of things before I had a child that I didn’t actually think once I had a child

I never thought anything was wrong with taking pictures of children before I had a child. Once my child was born. I refused to let anyone take pictures until after eight days.once the aqiqah was done .

As for the 68 days of Ahza I applaud you for keeping them solemn in dignified. Many have abandoned the daily Majalis that was the tradition of Aimmah Ulama and People. Men are abandoning, wearing black clothes. And do strange things such as attending movies, reading, funny literature, and conducting Mutah and many other strange and odd things so I commend you for striving to keep these days holy

Food for thought interested in hearing your opinion

Well, I didn't say, you do not recite supplication. You should recite whatever that benefits your child. The only thing that is worth noticing is that birth is synonymous to happiness and death is synonymous with death. And, I think if any muslim's mother dies in a month in which his son is born, he will not feed poor till forty days except to make charity for her mother if he loves her even though when the obligation for him is to mourn her only for three days after her death. If he feeds poor for his son's aqeeqag in the 40 days of her death, all the humans will consider him selfish because he can feed for his child after 40 days. So, if a person cannot do this during forty days of his mother death, how can he do that against Ahlebait. 

Nevertheless, bro that's my perspective and I am not bound by anyone's thought because Islam has given me permission for it. Nor I emphasize others to do what I say. Do whatever pleases you.