Should we have nuclear weapons؟

[shadow_of_light]

To my knowledge, A. Khamenei doesnt permit to have it because using nukes will definitively and 100% will lead to th death of the innocent.

[shadow_of_light]

There are ppl who say we should have nukes just for its deterrent effect. 

But Israeli and American government know that A. Khamenei, due to his beliefs, will never permit to use nukes. So how can having nuclear weapons be a deterrent when your enemy knows that you will never use it?!

Edited July 9, 2025 by shadow_of_light

[Diaz]

We can have one but without using it. Look at North Korea, no one can dare to attack them. In our religion it’s not permissible to use it, but our enemies will never understand and they will always have fear. 

[shadow_of_light]

14 minutes ago, Diaz said:

We can have one but without using it. Look at North Korea, no one can dare to attack them. In our religion it’s not permissible to use it, but our enemies will never understand and they will always have fear. 

They know our aim. They know that we wont use it. 

[WMark]

This conversation is extremely sad. Its like asking if we should be evil. Do you really think Allah permits us to be evil?

[misterdemetrios]

Nuclear weapons are a form of deterrence against external aggression. If one looks at the example of the DPRK, they face constant attack from the US and ROK on many fronts. They also saw what happened to Saddam in 2003, seen what happened in Libya and most recently in Syria. Knowing the geopolitical situation at hand, the plans of the Zionist-Globalist agenda, and the threats of World Zionism; it should be the right of Iran to possess and maintain a nuclear deterrent as a defensive posture. 

The Neo-conservatives in the United States made is crystal clear after 2001 what there plans would eventually be. They used a national tragedy to advance world-wide hegemony; to keep the oil trade routes open; and to increase the flow of oil as well. The agenda has a religious context as well. Evangelical Protestants want the rapture, and false expect by bringing about a Third World War, they would bring about the Second Coming, and be caught up in the clouds. Talmudic Jews want to bring about the Mashiach (the Messiah), who would be the Antichrist. Both factions manipulate religion and politics, to make it seem they are prophetic. 

[Diaz]

3 hours ago, shadow_of_light said:

They know our aim. They know that we wont use it. 

Sister. They know how Muslims view nuclear weapons. Pakistan has one, so instead of attacking them directly, they are doing it indirectly. 
 

2 hours ago, WMark said:

This conversation is extremely sad. Its like asking if we should be evil. Do you really think Allah permits us to be evil?

 

Yes but these evil souls are destroying Islam. They know we are their real enemy specially shia Islam. That’s why having nuclear is not haram, using it is haram. We can be smart and use it just to terrify these terrorists.

[Muhammed Ali]

7 hours ago, shadow_of_light said:

But Israeli and American government know that A. Khamenei, due to his beliefs, will never permit to use nukes. So how can having nuclear weapons be a deterrent when your enemy knows that you will never use it?!

The enemy is paranoid and delusional. They genuinely believe that the AoR wants to seem them genocided.

We shouldn't underestimate how many false ideas are contained in their minds. 

[Eddie Mecca]

On 7/9/2025 at 6:53 AM, shadow_of_light said:

lead to th death of the innocent.

Not having them will definitely lead to the death of innocent Iranians... having them might lead to the death of not-so-innocent Israelis... do the math

[Eddie Mecca]

Ever since the 12 Day War, the Iranian voices in favor of strategic patience have grown less-and-less... the liberal party is becoming more marginalized... the call for adoption of nuclear weapons has grown tremendously 

[WMark]

Just now, Eddie Mecca said:

Ever since the 12 Day War, the Iranian voices in favor of strategic patience have grown less-and-less... the liberal party is becoming more marginalized... the call for adoption of nuclear weapons has grown tremendously 

Iran will never have nuclear weapons, and they don't need them. You under estimate the conventional Iranian missile technology.

 

[Eddie Mecca]

2 minutes ago, WMark said:

never

Never say "never"

[WMark]

5 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Never say "never"

You really think it is possible that the Supreme leader of Iran, will be kicked out? Sounds completely impossible to me, for a long list of reasons. And it would be a tragedy hard to even imagine.

Edited July 15, 2025 by WMark

[Eddie Mecca]

3 minutes ago, WMark said:

You really think it is possible that the Supreme leader of Iran, will be kicked out? Sounds completely impossible to me, for a long list of reasons. And it would be a tragedy hard to even imagine.

Supreme Leader reserves the right to reverse his fatwa if extreme circumstances arise and threaten the Iranian nation as a whole (i.e. existential threat)... you failed to read the fine print 

[WMark]

20 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Supreme Leader reserves the right to reverse his fatwa if extreme circumstances arise and threaten the Iranian nation as a whole (i.e. existential threat)... you failed to read the fine print 

Iran develops uranium up to 60% just to add pressure, the same is the purpose of fine print. I am sure the Supreme Leader will never accept nuclear weapons. And, again, it is not needed. Russia said the same thing. They also have missiles that do mach 11, so what is the use of nuclear?

Besides, Iran can not rain missiles on Israel, if anybody thinks one of them is nuclear. Staying within the boundary of conventional, they can carpet bomb Israel without being condemned by the world.

The next time Iran gets an opportunity to harm Israel, we will see some real damage. Unless Israel has understood by now, what the reality is. The war ended very fast, so it seems like they might have taken the message. Iran is NOT weak ! They just look at a broader picture, and long term. Israel is on the way to their own self destruction. Israel is over. Israel will never recover. Nazism is dead, apartheid died, and so will Israel, and hopefully one day American supremacy.

Edited July 15, 2025 by WMark

[Eddie Mecca]

18 hours ago, WMark said:

Iran develops uranium up to 60% just to add pressure, the same is the purpose of fine print. I am sure the Supreme Leader will never accept nuclear weapons. And, again, it is not needed. Russia said the same thing. They also have missiles that do mach 11, so what is the use of nuclear?

Besides, Iran can not rain missiles on Israel, if anybody thinks one of them is nuclear. Staying within the boundary of conventional, they can carpet bomb Israel without being condemned by the world.

The next time Iran gets an opportunity to harm Israel, we will see some real damage. Unless Israel has understood by now, what the reality is. The war ended very fast, so it seems like they might have taken the message. Iran is NOT weak ! They just look at a broader picture, and long term. Israel is on the way to their own self destruction. Israel is over. Israel will never recover. Nazism is dead, apartheid died, and so will Israel, and hopefully one day American supremacy.

Iranians developing uranium between 60 - 90% didn't prevent the demons from bombing Iran... Eisenhower initially gave Iran nuclear technology through the "Atoms for Peace" program... the bomb should have been developed a long, long time ago... Pakistan’s nuclear program began in the early 70's and by the mid 80's it had developed the capacity to build a nuclear device... in 1998, Pakistan officially joined the "nuclear club"... Is India more of a threat to the Islamic world or is Israel the bigger threat? 

 

[WMark]

On 7/16/2025 at 1:04 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

Iranians developing uranium between 60 - 90% didn't prevent the demons from bombing Iran... Eisenhower initially gave Iran nuclear technology through the "Atoms for Peace" program... the bomb should have been developed a long, long time ago... Pakistan’s nuclear program began in the early 70's and by the mid 80's it had developed the capacity to build a nuclear device... in 1998, Pakistan officially joined the "nuclear club"... Is India more of a threat to the Islamic world or is Israel the bigger threat? 

 

The goal was never to prevent attacks against Iran. It is obvious that Iran has been spinning a net around Israel for some time now. Iran has mastered this perfectly, being very careful not to overstep. Consulting with Putin regularly, to make sure everybody feel safe, while Iran takes one small step after the other in  a particular direction.

The goal has been to bomb Israel, not to prevent an attack against Iran.

The problem Iran had with bombing Israel, is that half the world would turn against Iran - if ever Iran did that. So Iran, had to be very careful when it lured Israel in to a positions, where Israel crossed a particular line, that would allow Iran to take action, without being seen as the aggressor. Something that was close to impossible, because almost everybody looked at Iran as the aggressor, even when they did nothing but peace.

So Iran waited, and waited. Iran provoked quietly in the right places, and finally Israel, growing more and more arrogant, crossed the wrong line - and bombed Iranian soil directly.  This entire nuclear game, was all about luring Israel in to a trap.

Iran has no use for 60% uranium. It is a complete waste of time and energy to enrich something that you have absolutely no use for. And even Scott Ritter was upset with Iran for doing this. Iran fooled even him. Scott Ritter said it was a big mistake to provoke like this, bye enriching uranium at 60%.

So then when the Iranian embassy was bombed, the day was finally here.

The next thing that happened, was that Iran fired missiles - for the first time - directly in to Israel. But very weak. Making sure most of them were shot down, and that no damage was caused.

The goal was to normalize this action. Not to harm Israel.

It was a success. The world did not freak out, and tolerated it.

Then Iran provoked a little more, in hidden ways, until Israel, arrogant as they are, took the bait and crossed another line. They crossed the line that gave Iran justification, and the next step in normalization of attack against Israel was reached.

Iran had now reached the next level, and could make an  increase in the attack without any risk of being condemned by the world. The next level of normalizing attack directly against Israel was reached, but it could not be to severe, because that could scare Israel, and make Israel realize what they were up against.

So, the provoking increased. Iran said it would not accept the nuclear deal, but at the same time sad they would negotiate. Iran was staling, and evading. And provoking.

Israel pressured Trump, and he gave Iran 60 days, or what ever it was. Iran stalled, waited until the given days were over, knowing that Israel would take action.

Then Israel did it again, and gave Iran another green light.

This time, the attacked could be more powerful, because Israel was stupid enough to fly directly in to Iran and blow things up.

The problem has been that everybody in the west is lying about Iran's capability. Everybody thinks Iran is weak because of lies and propaganda. And Iran had no way of proving its power. When Iran published photos of their underground arsenal, people just laughed. 

But Iran had no justification for massive attacks, because that would pull in so many other countries.

But if Isreal attacks again - woow - now that is the time that nobody can say anything if Iran unleashes all it power!

So in short. Next time Israel attack Iran, there will be no more Israel, because the entire region will be smashed by Iran, and nobody can object. Putin made that clear, and China made that clear.

Trump ended the war in 12 days, because he was (releasing) in his pants !

[Guest Guest abdallah]

On 7/9/2025 at 2:09 PM, Muhammed Ali said:

The enemy is paranoid and delusional. They genuinely believe that the AoR wants to seem them genocided.

We shouldn't underestimate how many false ideas are contained in their minds. 

Not their governments, their governments are fully aware of irans intention to never use nukes and are fully aware that they are lying on purpose. 

 

Their governments know very well the AOR wont genocide them. 

[WMark]

On 7/9/2025 at 12:46 PM, misterdemetrios said:

Nuclear weapons are a form of deterrence against external aggression. If one looks at the example of the DPRK, they face constant attack from the US and ROK on many fronts. They also saw what happened to Saddam in 2003, seen what happened in Libya and most recently in Syria. Knowing the geopolitical situation at hand, the plans of the Zionist-Globalist agenda, and the threats of World Zionism; it should be the right of Iran to possess and maintain a nuclear deterrent as a defensive posture. 

The Neo-conservatives in the United States made is crystal clear after 2001 what there plans would eventually be. They used a national tragedy to advance world-wide hegemony; to keep the oil trade routes open; and to increase the flow of oil as well. The agenda has a religious context as well. Evangelical Protestants want the rapture, and false expect by bringing about a Third World War, they would bring about the Second Coming, and be caught up in the clouds. Talmudic Jews want to bring about the Mashiach (the Messiah), who would be the Antichrist. Both factions manipulate religion and politics, to make it seem they are prophetic. 

Nuclear weapons as a deterrence, is amateurish. It is what someone does, when they either have no capacity (money/technology) to solve it with a better solution, or if they are to morally perverted to care.

This was demonstrated by Russia's extremely low defense spending, compared to the ridiculous amounts spent by USA. But Russia focused (together with Iran) on other defence-technology.

To make it simple - if Putin wants to destroy the white house, he can press a button and the entire property is gone. Nothing can stop it, what so ever. It is a rocket that can not be shot down, because it is maneuverable and goes there in Mach 11. Trying to shoot it down, is like a turtle trying to hunt an eagle.

Nuclear is a double edged sward in more than one way. Nuclear is like a thorn in everybody foot, that never goes away. North Korea will never gain the position that Iran has, because Iran has an upper hand by morally being superior to any other country on the planet, because they have a ruling that they forbid the use of nuclear. A ruling in the face of huge threats.

Iran could have nuclear weapons a long time ago, and they could have secured themselves at this expense a long time ago - but refused to do so. In the face of huge threats, they still refused this evil.

Iran is in other words SUPERIOR in moral values, to every other country on the planet. It is easy for a country like Norway to refuse to have nuclear weapons, because they are not under any threat. Had they been under threat, they would have spent their fantastic amount of money of nuclear right away.

So Iran is the only country in the world, with the capacity to use nuclear weapons, that are under constant threat and therefore needs them - but for a moral reason refuse to do so.

It makes Israel and the USA look like idiots from a moral perspective.

There are two types of deterrence - on is military and the other is moral-deterrence.

Just look at how USA created justification in all the other wars. Look at how Trump ended the war after 12 days, by pretending to bomb the nuclear sites. Just watch the presentation that was made of the attack, how they presented it. How it was made to look like they bomb the Iranian nuclear program back in to the stoneage, when all they actually did, was make a few holes in a mountain.

Trump bombed the fantasy of Iranian nuclear bombs in the heads of the Americans, he bombed the image people have in their heads. That is where the real bombs landed, not in Iran.

So what is the threat? The threat is moral ! It is what ever the America people believe !

Not a single American feels justified fighting in Iran, because Iran does not have chemical or nuclear weapons. There is nothing to die for. So to compare what USA was able to do in other countries, does not apply to Iran, because Iran is on morally higher ground. Notice how Putin welcomes Iran - like guests of honor. He bows to them, and so does China. This is because of the moral purity - and not because of power.

Iran is on another level !

It took 12 says before Trump started releasing in his pants over this war. That is how powerful Iran actually is without nuclear weapons. 

Edited July 17, 2025 by WMark

[WMark]

12 hours ago, Guest Guest abdallah said:

Not their governments, their governments are fully aware of irans intention to never use nukes and are fully aware that they are lying on purpose. 

 

Their governments know very well the AOR wont genocide them. 

To be aware of something, and to understand something, and to believe something, aver all very different !

Many honorable people in western (idiot) governments, are brainwashed from birth. 

[Eddie Mecca]

@WMark, bro, we can't extinct the Persian people simply because you want to be a hopeless romantic

[WMark]

2 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

@WMark, bro, we can't extinct the Persian people simply because you want to be a hopeless romantic

Have some faith, brother. In a few years, lets see who is extinct !

The ultra-Orthodox party, United Torah Judaism (UTJ) already resigned form the Israeli government, and today, it was announced that also the Israeli Ultra-Orthodox Shas party hat quit the Benjamin Netanyahu-led coalition government.

The American ambassador showed up in Netanyahus corruption trial as well. Imagine how desperate they are now, even doing that.

More and more people are fleeing the country !

Remember the Roman empire?

I think you are not noticing the cracks in the wall.

Besides:

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said on Wednesday: "... would have to adapt their stance before they are totally wiped out."

He used the words totally wiped out, making it clear what the next step from Iran will be. You see, Iran is now making it clear, that Israel is going for regime change in Iran. They are making the world understand that Israel is trying to destroy the entire country. Not just bombing it.

Have your heard Putin or China condemn any of these statements? No, these statements are accepted and understood.

So what does a country have the right to do, when their very existence is threatened?

Middle east news are stating the follwwing today: 

"Khamenei also accused Israel of waging war with the broader goal of “overthrowing the system” in Iran, suggesting that Israel’s attacks during last month’s 12-day war aimed to weaken the Islamic Republic’s system and incite unrest to topple it."

What this means, is that Iran is normalizing a new level of attack against Israel.

Just wait until this is normalized. When everybody understand this.

Edited July 17, 2025 by WMark

[WMark]

The attack on Iran left Iranians with valuable information. Iranians know how Israel attacks, what they go after, and how they operate.

What is happening right now as we speak, is that several countries are upgrading the Iranian air and missile defense system. Everything is fine tuned according to what Iranians now know about Israeli and United Snakes attack plans. How they operate and how they attack, is now known, and because Trump panicked and ended the war - there is now plenty of time to prepare for the next round. 

Iran already knows how to penetrate the iron dome and all air defense systems. After the 12 day war, Iran knows how Israel will attack, and also how United Snakes will attack. Iran knows what the Israeli pilots are capable of, and what they are not capable of.

Russia and China supply all that is needed - based on this information - even North Korea will assist. Iran is very important for everybody, and everybody will do all they can.

In other words - wiping out Israel, is not just rhetoric ! All that is needed now, is one more excuse. One more step across the red line by Israel, and its all over. One more attack on Iran, and the Zionists will flee Israel, and never come back.

[Eddie Mecca]

[Eddie Mecca]

According to Professor Mohammad Marandi, if an existential threat to the Iranian people becomes imminent... IRI's nuclear posture will change... How Iran Plans To Counter Israel's Nuclear Threat... Approximately 34 minutes... Jamarl Thomas... Uploaded 14 hours ago

 

[Ali_follower21]

^ Professor Seyed Mohammad Marandi is brilliant. Thank you for the share. Iran has a right to defend itself from the zionists. 100%

الله أعلم

[Eddie Mecca]

[Abu Nur]

On 9/28/2025 at 8:40 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

According to Professor Mohammad Marandi, if an existential threat to the Iranian people becomes imminent... IRI's nuclear posture will change... How Iran Plans To Counter Israel's Nuclear Threat... Approximately 34 minutes... Jamarl Thomas... Uploaded 14 hours ago

 

No, they will not build nuclear bomb. Anyone who do this is from Shaytan, and excuse of existential of land or loss of leadership is never a valid point to build a destructive weapon that goes against the values of Islam. 

If God wills the land to be success or loss then It will happen only for the reason of testing us to bring us closer to Him. 

[Eddie Mecca]

On 12/30/2025 at 10:43 PM, Abu Nur said:

No, they will not build nuclear bomb. Anyone who do this is from Shaytan, and excuse of existential of land or loss of leadership is never a valid point to build a destructive weapon that goes against the values of Islam. 

If God wills the land to be success or loss then It will happen only for the reason of testing us to bring us closer to Him

Salaam bro,

Perhaps it's time to end the human experiment... here are your choices... 1.) Nuclear annihilation 2.) Nuclear annihilation and the ability to ensure the enemy is completely and utterly destroyed in a similar manner... Option 2 becomes the only choice... Homeland or death!

Edited January 7 by Eddie Mecca
Correction

[Abu Nur]

18 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Salaam bro,

Perhaps it's time to end the human experiment... here are your choices... 1.) Nuclear annihilation 2.) Nuclear annihilation and the ability to ensure the enemy is completely and utterly destroyed in a similar manner... Option 2 becomes the only choice... Homeland or death!

Option 3 Do the good deeds and Tawakkal to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), even if God choose for us the annihilation in this dunya daniyah. 

Edited January 8 by Abu Nur

[Eddie Mecca]

@Haji 2003, @Abu Nur

Aisha Qaddafi's Letter To Iran... Listen to this

 

[Haji 2003]

15 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Aisha Qaddafi's Letter To Iran... Listen to this

He starts by saying that the authenticity of the letter has not been proven, but as he goes on to say the 'Libya effect' is indeed very real. Gaddafi spent his life on the wrong side of the West and as soon as he became friendly he was deposed.

[The Green Knight]

There is a noticeable difference between having nukes and using nukes. Having nukes brings good deterrence. You can miniaturize nukes so they affect a very small area. In any case nuclear technology is a stepping stone to the emerging quantum physics, yes it can be weaponized but it is also a very good power source and gateway to future technologies. Western countries who have nuclear technology use a teaspoonful of refined nuclear fuel to power each of their naval fleets per year. China has recently developed nuclear batteries for civilian use which is something because the whole point of the ziotard clamp on nuclear technology was to force the masses to use fossil fuels and other centuries old fuel they can sell and control. 

Edited January 17 by The Green Knight

[HumanBeing44]

Yes, if there is any country that needs nukes it is Iran. 

Nuclear weapons will act as a deterrent because any invading power will know the consequences of invading a country with nukes(i.e war in best case scenario and total destruction of all of humanity as we know it at worst).

Take a look at North Korea. Despite the US sanctions, the US still has not invaded them due to their nukes. 

[Rubaiyat]

The Fatwa Committee in Al-Azhar have deemed the acquisition and use of nuclear weapons Wajib 20 years ago.

It will take Iranians and Shia another 20 years just to understand the catastrophy of not acquiring and using one when time was on their side.

Currently, there is no serious study of Fiqh in the Shi'a school that studies Fatawa in a broad way about this subject