Zohran Mamdani (NYC Mayoral candidate)

[Abu Hassanain]

3 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

Perhaps we can look at his father's views to see what the son may have been taught:

https://mondoweiss.net/2014/12/mamdanis-challenge-dismantling/

Salam

I would have caution that South Africa can be a bad example . The movement to top of apartheid certainly worked. But South Africa has become hell on earth with a completely nonfunctioning government rapid crime rates murders in effective social services and about every other problem imaginable Mexico is a most successful state and at this point it’s basically a narco state.

The other problem is many of the Palestinians want a secular government

I’m not saying we can get an Islamic government under the rule of a law in the 14 across the Middle East, but we shouldn’t settle for these strange Liberal multicultural ideas

I have many friends both Indian and African I met in Canada, who said that at this point South Africa was better when the whites rolled

The situation there is Zimbabwe Uganda is very bad

So it’s telling people we did this in South Africa Africa. This is what we got is not a good idea. I mean the work to get rid of the government with systematic, but the results were terrible.

Islamic societies has to return to the eugenics. It’s rooted in many of our narrations. We let too many stupid people breed and have two few intelligent people.

Wallahu Alam 

[Essentials123]

Dr. Yasir Qadir shares a useful reflection on Zohran Momdani’s father’s book, “Good Muslim, Bad Muslim.” He basically says in 2004, 3 years post 911 while working at Columbia University in NYC that Islamic terrorism is a result of Cold War politics and tensions between USA and Russia and how US should take responsibility for it. 

 

[Guest Rolando]

4 hours ago, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam

Islamic societies has to return to the eugenics. It’s rooted in many of our narrations. We let too many stupid people breed and have two few intelligent people.

Wallahu Alam 

What? Eugenics? Islam supports Eugenics? What? Eugenics is 19th century ideology just as much as Nationalism. Both are horrible man-made ideologies. Nothing to do with Islam.

[Abu Hassanain]

On 11/8/2025 at 9:27 PM, Guest Rolando said:

What? Eugenics? Islam supports Eugenics? What? Eugenics is 19th century ideology just as much as Nationalism. Both are horrible man-made ideologies. Nothing to do with Islam.

Salam

eugenics is not a movement that was born in the 1800s or 1900s

we have numerous narrations where it’s told. We are forbidden to Marry an insane woman. The person asked what if I didn’t wanna have children they say that is fine. We have narrations to talk about the benefits of marrying people with eye colors people with certain height people a certain weight people with certain skin tone people with certain body features. We have narrations to talk about the pros and cons of marrying different ethnic group and what they each bring to the table and what are their faults Islam is very concerned with breathing in the right way to the point that we have numerous narrations to talk about the best days to perform such such for achieving children. 

Islam highly emphasize as a mini narrations to look at the bloodline and family tree of a girl you want to marry because when one narration say because your child may come out like her uncle or aunt

Eugenics doesn’t mean, racism or genocide Zionist  has fooled the world into thinking that

The Jews demand everyone else makes, but they themselves do not mix and maintain their language, traditions, and culture

They call for every deviancy, filth and sin, but won’t promote it among their own

Eugene is just something they made a scary word

If you have someone with 130 IQ, who’s very healthy no they shouldn’t reproduce with someone with a 70 IQ and all kinds of health problems. That’s just common sense.

Wallahu Alam 

[Hamdi999]

On 11/8/2025 at 5:14 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

Really? He's controlled opposition and his candidacy for mayor is a psychological operation... he's the male Shi'i version of Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib and Linda Sarsour... he denounced Hamas and Operation Al-Aqsa Flood... the system purposely placed him in power in order to squash your dreams and diminish your hopes... he's an eloquent debater and charismatic orator... he carries himself well... you'll hear the occasional radical rhetoric... but generally, his actions will be calculated and pragmatic... he operates within the Zionist framework... Mamdani takes his marching orders from billionaires Alexander Soros and George Soros... the controversy surrounds aspects of Mamdani's ethnicity and his religious affinity... also, the supposed threat he represents to the old democratic vanguard (e.g. Nancy Pelosi, Mario Cuomo etc.)... the descendants of Irish, Italian and Jewish old timers (i.e. grandchildren and great grandchildren of Ellis Island, turn of the last century immigrants) not wanting to pass down the torch to the new (i.e. next) generation of millennial progressives and pseudo-socialists and Gen Z far-leftists... the later being represented by the children of more recently arrived newcomers from the Indian subcontinent, West Asia, SE Asia, NE Africa etc.... he will fail Muslim Americans like Barack Obama failed African Americans 

Well he would get arrested if he openly supported them, so obviously taqqiyah. 

If he fails muslims, I told you guys to not have high hopes, just wait and see, it's simply important not to do a cult of personality around him, the same way it was done with the squad and bernie sanders. 

[Northwest]

On 11/9/2025 at 5:37 PM, Abu Hassanain said:

Eugenics doesn’t mean, racism or genocide Zionist  has fooled the world into thinking that

@Abu Hassanain The problem is that people conflate discrimination and extermination. The kinds of things that those narrations mention, to me, do involve at least some (elements of) race-/lineage-based preference, i.e., ‘racism’ or ethnocentrism. Yet man’s biological disposition is tribally oriented, so to a certain extent I think racialism is unavoidable. Whether I like this or not is ultimately irrelevant, as even today the majority of people consciously or subconsciously operate according to biological principles, including those of blood-ties. I think ‘racism’, just like any other biologically-driven component, is inevitable and is not wholly undesirable (eugenics is arguably very desirable, given that it applies to much more than race, i.e., holistic human health and perpetuation). It only becomes a problem if it results in active attempts to exterminate or eliminate rival races.

On 11/9/2025 at 5:37 PM, Abu Hassanain said:

The Jews demand everyone else makes, but they themselves do not mix and maintain their language, traditions, and culture

They call for every deviancy, filth and sin, but won’t promote it among their own

I think there is some truth to this, but I would not restrict this observation to Jews. If anything, Muslim and other communities can be quite similar, forming ethnic and/or racial enclaves. Segregation is still a norm in some of the most ‘integrated’ areas (just look at some South-Asian Muslim communities). So if man, regardless of background, is naturally, i.e., innately, prone to behave similarly, I don’t see how one group’s exclusivity in this regard is ‘better‘ or ‘worse‘ than another’s. As far as the promotion of dysgenic behaviour among rival groups goes: I see plenty of this among sectors of the Pakistani diaspora in the West (i.e., the Muslims who traffic in young females and spread drugs among outsiders but do not condone the same among themselves, as can be seen in some U.K. areas).

[Guest Rolando]

@Abu Hassanain

What narrations did any of the 12 Imams taught about Eugenics? Cause Eugenics at present history is tied towards promoting Nazi Fascism ideology.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/eugenics/

https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/educational-resources/timelines/eugenics

Show your evidence in Shia Hadith Literatures such as the Four Major Shia Hadith Books: Kitab al-Kafi, Al-Istibsar, Man La Yahduruhu al-Faqih, and Tahdhib al-Ahkam that the 12 Imams advocated for Eugenics. Quote the narrations.

[Abu Hassanain]

3 hours ago, Guest Rolando said:

@Abu Hassanain

What narrations did any of the 12 Imams taught about Eugenics? Cause Eugenics at present history is tied towards promoting Nazi Fascism ideology.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/eugenics/

https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/educational-resources/timelines/eugenics

Show your evidence in Shia Hadith Literatures such as the Four Major Shia Hadith Books: Kitab al-Kafi, Al-Istibsar, Man La Yahduruhu al-Faqih, and Tahdhib al-Ahkam that the 12 Imams advocated for Eugenics. Quote the narrations.

Salam

https://thaqalayn.net/chapter/5/3/28
 

https://thaqalayn.net/chapter/5/3/29
 

https://thaqalayn.net/chapter/5/3/30

from Kafi 

These mention different groups not to marry and other social things

https://wasail-al-shia.net/c/4737
 

https://wasail-al-shia.net/c/4747
 

https://wasail-al-shia.net/c/4749
 

https://wasail-al-shia.net/c/4751
 

from wasail 

these are on the benefits of different characteristic traits races for different things

No, I have attended lecture as the discuss, the chain, the tax, the implications, the pros, the cons, and the meaning of these particular narration and great detail details
 

I have read years book back some Arabic books analyzing these narrations and showing these Islamic position on maintaining intelligence passing good traits watching how to breed, etc.

I don’t understand how you’re comparing eugenics only to the Nazis, which were not necessarily fascist. Fascism was Italy. The Nazis were a hybrid, nationalist and socialist movement that was often authoritarian, but not fascist just like the Soviet union wasn’t fascist, but they were definitely authoritarian.

Anyway, we have what we have in our books and scholars of the past and present of analyze those narrations their chains and commented

But to say, Islam doesn’t care about healthy reproduction and making it more physically and mentally healthy society or doesn’t lay down breeding rules as it affects spirituality is a weird and somewhat woke thought

I as a parent would never allow my child to marry someone of illegitimate birth never never never what I accept such a daughter-in-law, even if she was a so-called convert I would not accept such a thing

The main requirement is that any daughter-in-law of mine must be Imamiyah and Tathir Walad other things I could except a week opinion on or less than precaution opinion, but not this

Generally, based on the narrations, there are five groups I would prefer my son not to marry into if they are from one of those groups on their father side

I would not allow my son to marry a mentally deficient or extremely low IQ woman either

No, I couldn’t find every narration on these matters. I didn’t have that much time but what I found is sufficient to start the discussion although that’s really a side issue from this main topic.

[Abu Hassanain]

Salam

@notme @Haji 2003 @Qa'im @Hameedeh

if the moderators don’t want more sensitive discussions, like the issue, the guest raise discussed in the open forms. Let me know, and I can confine it to one on one discussions if that’s what they prefer.

There are many issues of theology science of the narrative science of transparence methodologies of jurisprudence commentary, narrations in deduction, improving methodologies when looking at narrations the difference when one is looking at narrations from the perspective of the allergy versus the perspective of jurisprudence, etc.

A lot of those are long drawn out discussions that may be looked at over the course of weekdays months and sometimes years, depending on the chapter and the amount of narrations and topics

I don’t wanna cause any controversy with material that previously wasn’t mostly translated to English. They could shock scare or weaken someone’s faith.

wallahu Alam 

I am also clarifying. I am referring to eugenics as healthy reproduction and selective breeding and not some race based ideology. I don’t control with narrated in the narrations and there are narrations that are foreign against different groups that have pros and cons about different groups at different times, etc..

[Muhammed Ali]

On 11/9/2025 at 11:37 PM, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam

eugenics is not a movement that was born in the 1800s or 1900s

we have numerous narrations where it’s told. We are forbidden to Marry an insane woman. The person asked what if I didn’t wanna have children they say that is fine. We have narrations to talk about the benefits of marrying people with eye colors people with certain height people a certain weight people with certain skin tone people with certain body features. We have narrations to talk about the pros and cons of marrying different ethnic group and what they each bring to the table and what are their faults Islam is very concerned with breathing in the right way to the point that we have numerous narrations to talk about the best days to perform such such for achieving children. 

Islam highly emphasize as a mini narrations to look at the bloodline and family tree of a girl you want to marry because when one narration say because your child may come out like her uncle or aunt

Eugenics doesn’t mean, racism or genocide Zionist  has fooled the world into thinking that

The Jews demand everyone else makes, but they themselves do not mix and maintain their language, traditions, and culture

They call for every deviancy, filth and sin, but won’t promote it among their own

Eugene is just something they made a scary word

If you have someone with 130 IQ, who’s very healthy no they shouldn’t reproduce with someone with a 70 IQ and all kinds of health problems. That’s just common sense.

Wallahu Alam 

Don't call it eugenics. It's irresponsible to accuse Islam of promoting eugenics.

If a word has a generally accepted meaning in society and it evokes negatives idea in people's minds, then don't use that word with your own personal positive definition. 

@Northwest even 'discrimination' is the wrong word.

[Muhammed Ali]

On 11/11/2025 at 1:31 PM, Northwest said:

 (eugenics is arguably very desirable, given that it applies to much more than race, i.e., holistic human health and perpetuation). 

Have you not seen excellent people whose parents were not good? I have.

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So if man, regardless of background, is naturally, i.e., innately, prone to behave similarly, I don’t see how one group’s exclusivity in this regard is ‘better‘ or ‘worse‘ than another’s.

Have you not seen variation among people in regards to their attitudes towards racial tribalism? 

[Abu Hassanain]

4 hours ago, Muhammed Ali said:

Don't call it eugenics. It's irresponsible to accuse Islam of promoting eugenics.

If a word has a generally accepted meaning in society and it evokes negatives idea in people's minds, then don't use that word with your own personal positive definition. 

@Northwest even 'discrimination' is the wrong word.

Salam

wokeism has no bearing on us, they want to change the meaning of words that has nothing to do with us. The word has a perfectly acceptable meaning that people want to twist. There’s no other equivalent word in English.

we shouldn’t bow to the woke movement and it’s corruption of the meaning of words

This is how they them things started, because they began changing the grammar in the meaning of words

there are five groups the narrations asked us to avoid mixing with

There are certain groups that were mentioned have positive and negative neutral traits or where there’s a benefit in one situation, but not another

The narrations are clear about people of illegitimate birth

Those have a eugenic connotation what is another word in English?

Selective breeding breeding recommendations. It’s not as comprehensive. This is just like a while ago. People are trying to mahr on this site to not mean, dowry or bride price

Who cares the connotation words have in English? We simply choose the closest literal meaning from the Arabic concept or the general theological position.

I’ve seen among the youth that many people want to turn their back in the clear narrations the clear position. Scholars in our communities have always held in shoes a modern mental gymnastics position that’s more in line with woke.

The age of puberty for girls is not changing. The age of obligations for girls is not changing. The age of marriage for girls is not changing the laws for how you can utilize slaves are not changing we will not change our religion to worship woke.

I’m not saying this is you or anyone here anywhere else personally but this is a dangerous path. The community in the West is taking.

There is no western understanding of Islam

There is only the Islam of Allah as taught by the 14

wallahu Alam 

 

[Lion of Shia]

On 11/12/2025 at 8:47 PM, Abu Hassanain said:

Salam

https://thaqalayn.net/chapter/5/3/28
 

https://thaqalayn.net/chapter/5/3/29
 

https://thaqalayn.net/chapter/5/3/30

from Kafi 

These mention different groups not to marry and other social things

https://wasail-al-shia.net/c/4737
 

https://wasail-al-shia.net/c/4747
 

https://wasail-al-shia.net/c/4749
 

https://wasail-al-shia.net/c/4751
 

from wasail 

these are on the benefits of different characteristic traits races for different things

No, I have attended lecture as the discuss, the chain, the tax, the implications, the pros, the cons, and the meaning of these particular narration and great detail details
 

I have read years book back some Arabic books analyzing these narrations and showing these Islamic position on maintaining intelligence passing good traits watching how to breed, etc.

I don’t understand how you’re comparing eugenics only to the Nazis, which were not necessarily fascist. Fascism was Italy. The Nazis were a hybrid, nationalist and socialist movement that was often authoritarian, but not fascist just like the Soviet union wasn’t fascist, but they were definitely authoritarian.

Anyway, we have what we have in our books and scholars of the past and present of analyze those narrations their chains and commented

But to say, Islam doesn’t care about healthy reproduction and making it more physically and mentally healthy society or doesn’t lay down breeding rules as it affects spirituality is a weird and somewhat woke thought

I as a parent would never allow my child to marry someone of illegitimate birth never never never what I accept such a daughter-in-law, even if she was a so-called convert I would not accept such a thing

The main requirement is that any daughter-in-law of mine must be Imamiyah and Tathir Walad other things I could except a week opinion on or less than precaution opinion, but not this

Generally, based on the narrations, there are five groups I would prefer my son not to marry into if they are from one of those groups on their father side

I would not allow my son to marry a mentally deficient or extremely low IQ woman either

No, I couldn’t find every narration on these matters. I didn’t have that much time but what I found is sufficient to start the discussion although that’s really a side issue from this main topic.

you sure those narrations are authentic?

[Abu Hassanain]

On 11/15/2025 at 5:54 PM, Lion of Shia said:

you sure those narrations are authentic?

Salam

you would have to look at the grading, but the majority of them have been deemed authentic. There are some that were mentioned in the notes. They are strong and some weak however, different scholars are different times a different views of these narrations.
 

The general view of most of the historians and scholars is that the descend Sam/Shem are more blessed than the descendants of ham and Japerh particularlu  the descendants of Canaan

maybe they don’t like to talk about it here in the west but the generally opinion of most of the senior scholars I’ve spoke to any Iraq and India is the race mixing in itself is allowed. It’s better to maintain distinct races, tribes and bloodlines so Cell mixing is fine, but so much mixing that you lose individual tribes is a bad idea.

as for the subjects of the Africans, there’s a discussion that this refers to east Africa not Africa is a hole or specific tribes as for the mothers of the Aimmah as there are a different level of creation that are freed from both khabath and hadath according to a great number of scholars so they wouldn’t fall under these rules

The people have sind (Pakistan) Hind (India) and Kandahar (Afghanistan) and the Kurds narrations as well

I personally consider some of the change of these narration, strong some weak and look at what other great scholars have said, but as a precaution, I tend to act on these generations

It doesn’t mean that every person within these racial groups is bad

It’s warning about certain qualities you have narrations that praise groups for one thing and condemn them for other things

We have to look at the context and the time in the historical situation of how people were behaving at that time versus other times

there are some more obscure narrations that mention if you marry not to marry with a certain group and mention that they have no loyalty to the wound roughly translated, which is an analogy for adultery and that they forget the covenant they tend to apostate I knew a person who married a woman from the group that narration talks about and he complained that she cheated on him in the past so in that case I said well, maybe it would’ve been better to follow precaution 

Most of these narrations would fall under the category of lack of a better general observations of groups and recommended guidelines is opposed to something hard and set in stone 

The white lady with the PhD from either bread in Iran and other groups that out and out reject all these narrations are trying to be too modernist

We used to look at reality in the society before 70 years ago

We should not try to make Islam fit with modern woke thinking there is wisdom in the verses in the narration and the traditional understandings of the scholars that many times comes out even if people don’t like to accept it

Wallahu Alam 

[Guest Rolando]

@Abu Hassanain I don't think you know what "Woke" means and even if you do, you're using the term "Woke" either to silence dissidence or as an expression of "I don't like your opinions and political views therefore it is woke to me"

Eugenics promotes Racism, Ableism, Tribalism, Discrimination, and Human Rights Abuses. Especially towards Black and Brown people.

https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism

If the Hadith Narrations you've pointed out prove your point and is Sahih that this is what the 12 Imams have narrated then it contradicts the Quran's narrative against Racism and especially towards Arab Supremacy against Non-Arabs which was a problem during the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)'s time period and is still a problem in Middle Eastern Politics.

Specifically Surah 49:13.

By the way I was also reading this topic on Shiachat forum

 

[Abu Hassanain]

11 hours ago, Guest Rolando said:

@Abu Hassanain I don't think you know what "Woke" means and even if you do, you're using the term "Woke" either to silence dissidence or as an expression of "I don't like your opinions and political views therefore it is woke to me"

Eugenics promotes Racism, Ableism, Tribalism, Discrimination, and Human Rights Abuses. Especially towards Black and Brown people.

https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Eugenics-and-Scientific-Racism

If the Hadith Narrations you've pointed out prove your point and is Sahih that this is what the 12 Imams have narrated then it contradicts the Quran's narrative against Racism and especially towards Arab Supremacy against Non-Arabs which was a problem during the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)'s time period and is still a problem in Middle Eastern Politics.

Specifically Surah 49:13.

By the way I was also reading this topic on Shiachat forum

 

Salam

the Aimmah as mothers were a different level of creation you can’t compare them to ordinary human beings from that reason

Most of their mothers were North Africa Africans one hit a mother from the horn

However, the majority of scholars in both Iran, Iraq in India, consider 4913 to mean all people have value, but that individual tribes and bloodline should be maintained

Some of the senior representatives of the grand scholars have spoke to all view at that way

I think you’re looking for an argument where there isn’t one

None of those narrations contradict the Quran when you understand it the way the scholars have understood it for 1400 years
 

wallahu Alam 

[Northwest]

On 11/14/2025 at 7:37 PM, Muhammed Ali said:

Have you not seen excellent people whose parents were not good? I have.

@Muhammed Ali Based on personal experience and research to date, I think that deterministic factors play a larger role in upbringing than is supposed. Biology, like environment, seems to exert a 50% or greater influence on factors such as IQ, earnings, opportunities, and so on. People do tend to behave and follow the same paths as their forebears. Anyway, ‘excellence‘ and ‘goodness’ are a bit subjective; at any rate you have not offered examples.

On 11/14/2025 at 7:37 PM, Muhammed Ali said:

Have you not seen variation among people in regards to their attitudes towards racial tribalism? 

I think everyone is at least somewhat ‘racialist’ and/or ‘tribalistic’ in outlook; it is just natural (not necessarily desirable in all cases). Re: deviation from this, I think in-group preferences (i.e., sexual selection) tend to override variation. That people, for whatever reason(s), prefer to mate within their race is well documented. Recent shifts to the contrary are slight and do not undermine the overall legacy. Ethnocentrism and other forms of discrimination are just as prevalent, even if a bit subdued in some (post)modern societies. People prefer their own blood-kin and native custom(s), while taking into account other considerations such as body-type, health, etc. Of course, each group tries to deflect blame by claiming the ‘Other’ is uniquely and/or disproportionately discriminatory.

[Eddie Mecca]

On 11/16/2025 at 2:31 PM, Northwest said:

I think everyone is at least somewhat ‘racialist’ and/or ‘tribalistic’ in outlook; it is just natural (not necessarily desirable in all cases).

You're correct.... the tribal tendency in man is largely prevalent... this was true in the distant/remote past and it's equally true today... but racism and xenophobia is not the default state of man through and through... racism, xenophobia, colorism, nationalism, patriotism, ageism, sexism etc. are learned behaviors and taught social constructs and which can be overcome and unlearned... studies into historical social behaviors reveals human proclivities toward an "in-group" versus "out-group" assortment due to survival causes... however, Islam demands that its adherents rise above raw naturalism and embrace their sacred provenance... in Islam, the divine self transcends mere matter or blatant physicality... it's human nature to transcend our animalistic natures and evolve incorporeally... yes, you heard that right... I will repeat dramatically for emphasize... IT (CLAP) IS (CLAP) AN (CLAP) ESSENTIAL (CLAP) PART (CLAP) OF (CLAP) OUR (CLAP) NATURE (CLAP) TO (CLAP) TRANSCEND (CLAP) OUR (CLAP) HUMANESS (CLAP)... venturing into outer space is very "unnatural" yet scientific idealism requires it of us... disciplining ourselves and refraining from caloric consumption during the holy fasting months is "unnatural" yet religion requires it of us... our humaness is rooted in a restless and relentless drive for growth and purpose and it seeks a state beyond our immediate primal urges and physical limitations/imprisonments... this can be attained through spiritual development and resisting immediate gratifications... it can also be accomplished by selflessly serving others... Islam aims at refining and advancing the human condition... this involves recognizing the boundless/limitless potential of our creation and fulfilling our divine purpose... it can be seen as a desire to rise above our lower, base instincts

 

[Eddie Mecca]

19 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

the tribal tendency in man is largely prevalent... this was true in the distant/remote past and it's equally true today

 Unfortunately, many people do not evolve beyond the lowest spiritual state of man (i.e. Nafs al-Ammara)... Nafs al-Ammara is the lowest level of the self in Islamic psychology... it often translates as the "carnal soul" or the "self which commands"... this is the ego-driven state dominated by the base desires, lust, selfishness and the constant need for gratification... it's considered to be "prone to evil" by its very nature.

Edited November 20 by Eddie Mecca
Correction

[Northwest]

On 11/20/2025 at 9:18 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

however, Islam demands that its adherents rise above raw naturalism and embrace their sacred provenance... in Islam, the divine self transcends mere matter or blatant physicality... it's human nature to transcend

That men are theoretically capable of doing so, as (your interpretation of) Islam suggests, is unproven. I need actual evidence rather than assertions here. The fact that most humans have not followed this supposed ‘path’ to ‘enlightenment’ suggests otherwise. You look at metaphysics, which is useful, but I look at experience; and I find that too many people downplay the latter, denigrating so-called ‘materialism’, i.e., biological reality or basic logic. As a result we have unrealistic expectations and standards, among them codes of conduct men cannot live up to, owing to built-in constraints such as genetics, health, upbringing, and so on.

On 11/20/2025 at 9:37 AM, Eddie Mecca said:

Unfortunately, many people do not evolve beyond the lowest spiritual state of man (i.e. Nafs al-Ammara)... Nafs al-Ammara is the lowest level of the self in Islamic psychology... it often translates as the "carnal soul" or the "self which commands"... this is the ego-driven state dominated by the base desires, lust, selfishness and the constant need for gratification... it's considered to be "prone to evil" by its very nature.

This is where you and I defer. You are more of an idealist who looks at religious platitudes (however noble or insightful at times), whereas I am more of a naturalist who reads the signs of nature. I am skeptical of the notion that man ‘evolves’, whether spiritually or biologically. One need not believe in original sin to look at history and come to the conclusion that man mostly fails to live up to his ideals—including spiritual precepts—because the latter are unrealistic, that is, he simply is incapable. And in any event the flaw would lie in man’s nature, whether or not one adheres to a particular worldview.

[Hamdi999]

[notme]

@Hamdi999 Trump lies.  

When he is unable to bully, he attempts to manipulate through shallow flattery.  

[Northwest]

44 minutes ago, notme said:

@Hamdi999 Trump lies.  

When he is unable to bully, he attempts to manipulate through shallow flattery.  

A corrupt puppet cannot be a leader, much less a bully. Trump is too opportunistic—and perhaps unintelligent—to premeditate effectively or convincingly. Like other U.S. presidents, he ends up being someone else’s puppet. He has already gone from opposing the Muslim Brotherhood to being Qatar’s best friend. Unsurprisingly, he ended up doing as much as or more than his predecessors in forcing Netanyahu to cease fighting. His turning into a secret Shia or ‘Muslim’ Marxist (as his bugbear Obama was alleged to be) would hardly be surprising. After all, Trump also went from blaming Zelensky to 100% trusting him when the U.S.–Russia ‘détente‘ broke down—without even bothering to investigate. Trump is unable to contextualize or recall information, so he, like so many people today, is simply shortsighted. As someone else said, ‘He believes the last person he talked to’—or the latest tweet he reads.

Edited November 22 by Northwest

[notme]

I agree somewhat.  

But he is a bully.  He always has been.  

When nobody fears him, he has no power. 

[Northwest]

44 minutes ago, notme said:

I agree somewhat.  

But he is a bully.  He always has been.  

When nobody fears him, he has no power. 

The thing is, nobody fears him.

I have observed Trump extensively over the years, and the amount of vitriol—justified or not—he has received shows that people regard him as a weak ‘leader’. A bully is, above all, an autocrat, able to exercise power. Trump has barely been able to fulfill many of his goals, while his foes have constantly maligned or sabotaged his aims. A bully, like any true leader, would not just be feared, but also respected. Trump has inspired neither fear nor respect from his enemies. After all, he is a manipulable braggart who likes to disguise his effeminacy. The left, however unscrupulous, knows this, while Trump’s followers, being unmanly themselves, see Trump as their avatar.

His manifest failings, both at home and abroad, show this. He has not achieved a good trade deal with India, his MENA policy has not attained a single goal, his European puppets (including Zelensky) have become his puppeteers, he has morphed into Biden 2.0 on China, and he is abandoning all pretense to social conservatism. Above all, he is clearly no more mentally sound than any of his political counterparts, whether domestic or foreign. Hence others take advantage of him, purposely inflating his credentials (for various reasons); this goes for both his acolytes and his detractors. And if there is any substance to your claims, Trump’s foes have played into his hands by likening him to powerful figures like Hitler—and giving him unearned publicity (or notoriety).

[Hamdi999]

1 hour ago, notme said:

@Hamdi999 Trump lies.  

When he is unable to bully, he attempts to manipulate through shallow flattery.  

This picture itself I posted it as a joke, as it poked fun at the brand of communism attention seekers like hinkle jackson were pushing (maga communism) where they thought maga was a "grass roots movement" and they could convince them to turn to communism. 

 

As for Trump, let's be real here, that guy is an absolute inconsistent clown who's starting to sound like joe biden at times. I can see why you say this, at times he has used flattery when he couldn't bully, like with the houthis when he stopped bombing them. Or with iran where he went from "regime change" to "god praise iran" in 1 day. 

I doubt he actually runs things, that clown is being told by millitary companies, zionist christian groups, tech companies, oil companies, etc... on what to do and he doesn't realise he might be used to start a war with iran by having him assasinated and the assasination blamed on iran. The same way that was attempted back in jully 2024, the fbi if I remeber tried blaming it on iran. Trump is simply unaware hes a sacrificial lamb, hes an idiot with a loud mouth who will burn in jahannam forever once he dies. But you're right about one thing, he is being told to lie a lot, this is most probably to cause confusion, it's his actions that people should be paying attention to, as it shows who controls him and what these corporations and orgs want, which is global hegemony. 

 

As for his comment to mamdani, for all I know he was probably told to flatter mamdani, or it could be him flattering mamdani willingly. It wouldn't be the first time hes willingly "flattered" a man, as the epstein files showed. 

Edited November 22 by Hamdi999

[Northwest]

22 minutes ago, Hamdi999 said:

I doubt he actually runs things, that clown is being told by millitary companies, zionist christian groups, tech companies, oil companies, etc... on what to do and he doesn't realise he might be used to start a war with iran by having him assasinated and the assasination blamed on iran like the same way that was attempted back in jully 2024 and the fbi if I remeber tried blaming it on iran.

I think some of these attempts could be genuine, to be honest. After all, the IRGC has placed a bounty on Trump for the assassination of General Soleimani. Iranian leaders have definitely expressed their desire for his death. The IRGC has also stated that it has plenty of assets inside the U.S., and Iran is quite committed to revenge (al-Aqsa Flood was in part to avenge the killing of Soleimani), so Iran could easily recruit cut-outs for plausible deniability, i.e., a Ukrainian nationalist or ‘intersectional anti-Zionist’ ANTIFA anarchist-communist. One can, in theory, support the ‘Resistance’ and concede that the July 2024 and/or other efforts—i.e., the ICE riots (which pro-Iran circles lauded) or the Kirk assassination—might have had something to do with Iran. Iran is, by its own lights, just retaliating...

22 minutes ago, Hamdi999 said:

For all I know he was probably told to flatter mamdani. Or it could be him flattering mamdani willingly, wouldn't be the first time hes willingly flattered a man, as the epstein files showed. 

I do not know about these files, but their provenance is a bit questionable. Their promoters have ties to the same circles that have spread a lot of scurrilous rumors about Trump’s personal life that could not be verified. Anything coming from the ‘liberal-left’ DNC/Soros orbit is dubious and needs to be carefully vetted. Some of it might be valid, but it is mixed with disinformation and/or distortion. (The tendency of anti-Trump ‘Muslims’ to rely on Neo-Marxists—some of whom are avowed Satanists and libertines—as sources of information is more than a little disquieting, but a lot could be said about that.) There are plenty of valid reasons to critique Trump, but other sources might be more factual than these. In the end, though, one must be critical of all sources.

[Northwest]

41 minutes ago, Hamdi999 said:

As for Trump, let's be real here, that guy is an absolute inconsistent clown who's starting to sound like joe biden at times. I can see why you say this, at times he has used flattery when he couldn't bully, like with the houthis when he stopped bombing them.

A clown is constitutionally incapable of being a bully. Bullies are natural leaders and therefore credible, not clowns.

[Hamdi999]

16 minutes ago, Northwest said:

I think some of these attempts could be genuine, to be honest. After all, the IRGC has placed a bounty on Trump for the assassination of General Soleimani. Iranian leaders have definitely expressed their desire for his death. The IRGC has also stated that it has plenty of assets inside the U.S., and Iran is quite committed to revenge (al-Aqsa Flood was in part to avenge the killing of Soleimani), so Iran could easily recruit cut-outs for plausible deniability, i.e., a Ukrainian nationalist or ‘intersectional anti-Zionist’ ANTIFA anarchist-communist. One can, in theory, support the ‘Resistance’ and concede that the July 2024 and/or other efforts—i.e., the ICE riots (which pro-Iran circles lauded) or the Kirk assassination—might have had something to do with Iran. Iran is, by its own lights, just retaliating...

I genuenly doubt iran did anything like this, they have no intrest in going to war with america over this, this would be incredibly stupid and they have stated it a million times they don't want war with the US, but are ready for it. 

 

As for the claims of the bounty, it started in 2020, when some random iranian legistlator decided to put a 3 million$ bounty on Trump for soleimani. But ever since the articles that claimed this stuff haven't really provided any real good evidence, such as the doubious website that was falsley claimed to be linked to iran that apparently raised 40 million$ or the "fatwa" that was shown to not really call for the assasination of trump or the many other claims that have come out since 2020, the sources rhat originate these claims are essentially western media outlets, qatari funded media outlets or indian media outlets and they don't really provide any good proof for their claims.

 

As for al aqsa flood being to avenge soleimani, no it wasn't, this was al jazeera that took an iranian generals words out of context and it spread like wildfire on western media outlets who went on to all spread disinformation that al aqsa flood was revenge for soleimani. This is specifically why western media outlets lie a lot and are extreemly disingenious, same for al jazeera. 

 

One can concede these things if they were based on reality, unfrotunatley they aren't, because western media outlets and the US governments have a habit of lying and making stuff up to manifacture conscent for wars, just like they did with iraq, syria, lybia, yemen and even gaza or lebanon in the case of supporting israels terrorist colony. 

16 minutes ago, Northwest said:

I do not know about these files, but their provenance is a bit questionable. Their promoters have ties to the same circles that have spread a lot of scurrilous rumors about Trump’s personal life that could not be verified. Anything coming from the ‘liberal-left’ DNC/Soros orbit is dubious and needs to be carefully vetted. Some of it might be valid, but it is mixed with disinformation and/or distortion. (The tendency of anti-Trump ‘Muslims’ to rely on Neo-Marxists—some of whom are avowed Satanists and libertines—as sources of information is more than a little disquieting, but a lot could be said about that.) There are plenty of valid reasons to critique Trump, but other sources might be more factual than these. In the end, though, one must be critical of all sources.

The papers looked legit, I didn't see any evidence they were faked. Plus trump has most defently been with epstein, at this point this isn't even something that can be denied. As much as I hate the soros types and democrats, this does seem to be a case of democrats trying to shred their opposition and I am certain republicans will release files embarrasing democrats like clinton. This is like the biden laptop story, it was real, despite overwhelmingly comming from republicans, which are also known to lie. 

 

As a side note, I want to ask the same of you, many of the claims you gave about iran above, were untrue and were spread by pro israel conservatives or pro israel pro soros democrats or by pro hts sectarianists, they aren't reliable either and unlike the epstein files released by the democrats, they didn't provide any good evidence for their claims. 

[Northwest]

22 minutes ago, Hamdi999 said:

I genuenly doubt iran did anything like this, they have no intrest in going to war with america over this, this would be incredibly stupid and they have stated it a million times they don't want war with the US, but are ready for it.

As I said before, Iran would do its utmost to ensure plausible deniability. (I also made clear that Iran would view its actions as justifiable, given the Soleimani and other assassinations, in addition to Trump’s threats to kill the Supreme Leader.) In fact, adviser to the Supreme Leader Larijani effectively endorsed assassination, in response to Trump’s threats. A senior cleric also did so.

22 minutes ago, Hamdi999 said:

As for the claims of the bounty, it started in 2020, when some random iranian legistlator decided to put a 3 million$ bounty on Trump for soleimani. But ever since the articles that claimed this stuff haven't really provided any real good evidence, such as the doubious website that was falsley claimed to be linked to iran that apparently raised 40 million$ or the "fatwa" that was shown to not really call for the assasination of trump or the many other claims that have come out since 2020, the sources rhat originate these claims are essentially western media outlets, qatari funded media outlets or indian media outlets and they don't really provide any good proof for their claims.

An $80 million bounty was requested by an organizer at Soleimani’s funeral in 2020. Moreover, the context of the fatwa definitely implies a readiness to assassinate Trump, were the latter found to have been complicit in an attempt on the Supreme Leader or other officials. Certainly Trump and his allies had previously threatened and tried to kill Iranian officials, so I find the Iranian response to be credible rather than Western disinformation.

22 minutes ago, Hamdi999 said:

As for al aqsa flood being to avenge soleimani, no it wasn't, this was al jazeera that took an iranian generals words out of context and it spread like wildfire on western media outlets who went on to all spread disinformation that al aqsa flood was revenge for soleimani. This is specifically why western media outlets lie a lot and are extreemly disingenious, same for al jazeera.

Sources other than al-Jazeera confirmed that an IRGC spokesman linked al-Aqsa Flood to a panoply of responses that Iran had approved following Soleimani’s death. According to the spokesman, al-Aqsa flood, among other actions, qualified as retaliation. I do not know why you are reluctant to admit this, given that an admission does not by itself imply that Iran was in the wrong (or right).

22 minutes ago, Hamdi999 said:

The papers looked legit, I didn't see any evidence they were faked. Plus trump has most defently been with epstein, at this point this isn't even something that can be denied. As much as I hate the soros types and democrats, this does seem to be a case of democrats trying to shred their opposition and I am certain republicans will release files embarrasing democrats like clinton. This is like the biden laptop story, it was real, despite overwhelmingly comming from republicans, which are also known to lie.

I know that Trump knew Epstein personally, but the extent of his ties is debatable. (Trump claims to have barred Epstein from access to Mar-a-Lago by the early 2000s.) The Trump administration did not actually say that certain Epstein documents had been fabricated, but that they might have been forged, i.e., pieced together and taken out of context. Furthermore, even anti-Trump sources have conceded that fake files and AI clips have been propagated. People have even spread bogus claims about the documents themselves.

22 minutes ago, Hamdi999 said:

As a side note, I want to ask the same of you, many of the claims you gave about iran above, were untrue and were spread by pro israel conservatives or pro israel pro soros democrats or by pro hts sectarianists, they aren't reliable either and unlike the epstein files released by the democrats, they didn't provide any good evidence for their claims. 

I provided sources above to show that the original sources, even if spread by some anti-Iran outlets (as well as pro-Iranian ones), do tend to support the notion that Iran threatened Trump with assassination, admittedly in response to Trump’s own actions vs. Iranians. And the Epstein ‘story‘ is by no means settled, though, as I have said before, I have no more regard for Trump’s ‘morals’ than for any other politician. (As an aside, I think my record here shows that I am no supporter of Trump. Unlike his backers, I am willing to countenance some rather severe criticism of his abilities and ‘achievements’. His supporters are just the mirror-image of his foes’.)

[notme]

1 hour ago, Northwest said:

Anything coming from the ‘liberal-left’

There is no liberal left. In the United States, we have a few moderates like Sanders, but most are Right (Democrats) or Far Right (Republicans). 

[Guest man]

6 hours ago, Hamdi999 said:

This picture itself I posted it as a joke, as it poked fun at the brand of communism attention seekers like hinkle jackson were pushing (maga communism) where they thought maga was a "grass roots movement" and they could convince them to turn to communism. 

 

As for Trump, let's be real here, that guy is an absolute inconsistent clown who's starting to sound like joe biden at times. I can see why you say this, at times he has used flattery when he couldn't bully, like with the houthis when he stopped bombing them. Or with iran where he went from "regime change" to "god praise iran" in 1 day. 

I doubt he actually runs things, that clown is being told by millitary companies, zionist christian groups, tech companies, oil companies, etc... on what to do and he doesn't realise he might be used to start a war with iran by having him assasinated and the assasination blamed on iran. The same way that was attempted back in jully 2024, the fbi if I remeber tried blaming it on iran. Trump is simply unaware hes a sacrificial lamb, hes an idiot with a loud mouth who will burn in jahannam forever once he dies. But you're right about one thing, he is being told to lie a lot, this is most probably to cause confusion, it's his actions that people should be paying attention to, as it shows who controls him and what these corporations and orgs want, which is global hegemony. 

 

As for his comment to mamdani, for all I know he was probably told to flatter mamdani, or it could be him flattering mamdani willingly. It wouldn't be the first time hes willingly "flattered" a man, as the epstein files showed. 

Say what you will about Hinkle, but when Hinkle, Haz and co. talk about Maga Communism, it means trying to win over Republican Proletariat(especially Blue collar workers) to Marxist Leninism.

[Eddie Mecca]

On 11/22/2025 at 9:19 AM, Northwest said:

That men are theoretically capable of doing so, as (your interpretation of) Islam suggests, is unproven. I need actual evidence rather than assertions here. The fact that most humans have not followed this supposed ‘path’ to ‘enlightenment’ suggests otherwise.

It's not theoretical... It's actual... There's plenty of good in the world... A sizable chunk of mankind want to do right and do do right on a daily basis... Most people lead normal lives and are law-abiding citizens... They go to work, pay their taxes, take their kids to soccer practice etc.... It is rare to see a human being kill, rape, pillage etc... In your neighborhood... How many murderers live there? How many rapists? How many pedophiles? Most people aren't saints... but they aren't serial killers either... Most people are probably somewhere in the middle... It depends on what society or civilization you're talking about specifically... Similarly, it depends on the time-period... People volunteering their weekends to assist at the local soup kitchen, people helping neglected animals at pet adoption agencies, volunteer fire fighters etc. etc.... 1,200 years of Muslims helping Jews escape European persecution, the 1960's Civil Rights Struggle... Selfless and noble individuals like: Mahatma Gandi, Che Guevara, Hassan Nasrallah etc. and the millions of admirers they have... All these are examples

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