Israel Strikes Iran

[Diaz]

7 minutes ago, PureExistence1 said:

Its either this or go to jail for corruption. As long as he remains in his position, hes immune to prosecution.

Unfortunately nothing will happen to him because the terrorist west are supporting him secretly. Iran already exposed them few days ago. 

[Eddie Mecca]

It seems like a certain portion of the Iranian government and military and citizenry have been infiltrated and compromised... Same with Hezbollah... It's possible Hezbollah is using this time to sift through its ranks and weed out the informants and traitors 

Edited June 13 by Eddie Mecca

[coldcow]

Read somewhere that "Mossad commandos" were operating inside Iran, and even set up a drone base near one of the sites that was attacked.  Not sure how true.  I'm sure at least a portion of anything you hear is part of psychological warfare against Iranians and other Muslim countries, to make them fear Israel.  

[Eddie Mecca]

Looks like the Israelis have hacked into Press TV and taken it down

[Diaz]

10 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Looks like the Israelis have hacked into Press TV and taken it down

Why do you say so?

[Activate your inner truth]

29 minutes ago, Diaz said:

Why do you say so?

Its not online here either. 

I suppose the last thing they want is authentic news coming out. 

 

Put enough psychological warfare out there (in the mean time)  via  western media and let the public consciousness believe what they take in and lose faith. 

Edited June 13 by Activate your inner truth
misspelling word.

[Abu Hadi]

47 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Looks like the Israelis have hacked into Press TV and taken it down

Press tv is up. I am watching it on rumble. Youtube is either blocking it or slowing it down and they have been doing that for years. You need to go on rumble or telegram to watch. 

[Abu Hadi]

My prayers go out to the Iranian nation. May Allah(,swa) destroy and humiliate the Zionist criminals

[Meedy]

I don't think I will be able to sleep tonight  Please God, punish the oppressors, end the wars, help iran 

[root]

This is what happens when half the nation are dimwitted and vote for a useless borderline traitor government. Didn't the leader tell them to not negotiate? Do they ever listen? This isn't a new problem, we have had this problem for 1400 years in shia islam, and will continue to have this problem as long as people don't see beyond the smoke. 1400 years ago the Qurans went up the spears and the dimwits made the imam of their time lay down his weapons.....1400 years later, we still make the same mistakes. 

We have a dimwit problem. 

[Abu Hadi]

47 minutes ago, Meedy said:

I don't think I will be able to sleep tonight  Please God, punish the oppressors, end the wars, help iran 

There is an extremely large storm gathering against the Zionist. Not just from Iran. I believe this attack by Netanyahu and Trump might go down as the single biggest mistake in human history. May Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) punish the Oppressive tyrants

It is in these times, after the criminals have attacked the innocent and they become flagrant about it and the period has become long ( almost 2 years now) that Allah grants dua if made against the criminals and the oppressors. So now is the time to make your dua

Remember what happened to Yazid(la) and Muawiyah(la) and the Ummayads. They didn't last forever and neither will the Zionists.

Edited June 13 by Abu Hadi

[Northwest]

Some people speculated that either Russia and/or China would have had a stake in preventing this situation. Instead, before these strikes occurred Russian mediators indirectly helped the U.S. by offering to ship out excess nuclear fuel, while not offering a true alternative to Trump’s ultimatum. Now Israel is striking Iran with impunity, and neither Russia nor China feels that a war would harm their interests, so they have not intervened. I think the current situation is rather clear evidence that Russian and Chinese ruling circles are more interested in deals with the West than in actual counterweight. (This is why Russia has repeatedly offered to negotiate with a ‘Nazi’ Ukrainian government and refused to treat NATO’s war in kind instead of continuing a ‘special military operation’. For the same reason Russia even justified its relations with Turkey by claiming Western outreach to HTS proved the latter had moderated, in turn being allowed by Jolani to retain bases in Syria.) Not long ago former president Ahmadinejad even said that Mossad had deeply compromised Iranian intelligence over the years, hence all the successful sabotage by Israel and Co.:

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In an October 2024 interview with CNN Turk following the rejection of his candidacy for Iran's June 2024 presidential elections, Ahmadinejad revealed that Iran established a special unit to counter Mossad activities within the country. Ahmadinejad revealed in 2024 that a comprehensive intelligence unit created to counter Israel was compromised by Mossad, stating, "We established a unit to counter Israel, and the person leading it turned out to be a Mossad agent." ... "Israel organized complex operations inside Iran. They could easily obtain information. In Iran, they are still silent about this," he stated.

^ Israel also likely has ties to certain economic as well as military-intelligence elites inside Iran.

[AbdusSibtayn]

3 hours ago, coldcow said:

Indeed.  The problem is that Israelis plan, and plan, and plan.  And they seek revenge months, years, even decades later.  Most of our people tend to get a lucky punch in here and there, and then get so busy celebrating that they pay no attention to  the retaliation that comes.  Look especially at the Arab armies prior to the '67 war, and even '73 war.  Egypt got lucky in '73.  

We also went for low hanging fruits over the decades, focusing purely on a defensive game to fend off attacks and insurgencies here and there (and didn't even get that right). Nor did anyone in the resistance axis cultivate any intelligence network worth the name, let alone one comparable to Mossad/CIA. Both these handicaps have come back to bite. I understand that resources are scarce and strained but what has got to be done must be done. It's an eat or be eaten world. 

3 hours ago, coldcow said:

Yes, especially the past few days.  Looking at the news it was clear something was coming - families of Americans were advised to leave the area, almost every news organization was broadcasting that Israel was planning an attack.  

It's also entirely possible that Israeli Air Force is just that technologically ahead of Iranian air defenses that despite their preparations, the IDF still was able to penetrate.  Unfortunately now I think Iran has no significant air defense assets at all, and so Israel may be able to attack at will.  

The last I heard was the Russians helping them with air defense technology but I suppose the project is still in its infancy. 

Another huge blunder that the Iranian deep state made (and I know I'm going to face a lot of flak for this) was to squander away disproportionately high amounts of resources in the 'exporting the revolution' nonsense instead of focusing on its own military capabilities. In propping up one ingrate here , one nincompoop there and another slick opportunist somewhere else (exhibit: Muqtada and the sadrists in Iraq, Shah Massoud in Afghanistan, Sajid Naqvi, Jawad Naqvi and other TNFJ splinter group clowns in Pakistan ), it became so engrossed in its own game of 4-D chess that these absolutely vital military and intelligence needs were neglected. Now it is having to pay the price for these misplaced priorities. 

3 hours ago, coldcow said:

Can't trust MBS.  It's entirely possible he, and all the other Arabs, encouraged this attack in secret.  

Totally agree. But at least for now he's keen to not get caught in the fray. 

3 hours ago, coldcow said:

agree.  However the genius move by Israel is that both options will likely draw the US into a conflict.  

This is something that will inevitably happen, I believe. But Trump is giving mixed signals, saying that he wants to go ahead with the negotiations (laughable but true) ; he's not keen to dive headfirst right now and will see if there's something he can gain from the situation. 

3 hours ago, coldcow said:

The drones are intercepted by small missiles that aren't used to shoot down the big ones like the ballistic missiles.  It is certainly something that might slow a continued Israeli attack - which will likely occur again in the night.  But it's not much.  If Israel hit the tunnels to the entrances to the missile storage bunkers, then it will be a long time before Iran can mount a response.  

 

Also, I'm fairly certain the explosion at the port a few weeks ago was probably Israeli sabotage as rumor is that it was carrying rocket fuel from China.  Could be a preemptive way to minimize Iran's missile retaliation. 

Agreed. Let's see how accurate the Israeli intelligence is, and if Iran can mobilize some defense in the meantime. 

[Eddie Mecca]

1 hour ago, Diaz said:

1 hour ago, Eddie Mecca said:

 

Why do you say so?

I couldn't access Press TV.ir a few hours ago

[AbdusSibtayn]

2 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

It seems like a certain portion of the Iranian government and military and citizenry have been infiltrated and compromised... Same with Hezbollah... It's possible Hezbollah is using this time to sift through its ranks and weed out the informants and traitors 

Said this very thing a few months ago, here itself, and some overzealous people started throwing fits and foaming at their mouths. 

44 minutes ago, root said:

This is what happens when half the nation are dimwitted and vote for a useless borderline traitor government. Didn't the leader tell them to not negotiate? Do they ever listen? This isn't a new problem, we have had this problem for 1400 years in shia islam, and will continue to have this problem as long as people don't see beyond the smoke. 1400 years ago the Qurans went up the spears and the dimwits made the imam of their time lay down his weapons.....1400 years later, we still make the same mistakes. 

We have a dimwit problem. 

Have been saying it for a few years now. Political foresight is simply not our thing. This has been proven over and over through the centuries. 

Although the demographic which had propelled and sustained this government are those enchanted by the mirage of secularism, and care little to nothing about Shiism. 

[Eddie Mecca]

33 minutes ago, Northwest said:

I think the current situation is rather clear evidence that Russian and Chinese ruling circles are more interested in deals with the West

Nah, this is all heading to a World War 3 / Malhama / all-out nuclear war scenario

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 minute ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Nah, this is all heading to a World War 3 / Malhama / all-out nuclear war scenario

I don't think that the Russians and the Chinese will be dumb and smug enough to see their most reliable regional ally get vaporized and do nothing to help. 

[coldcow]

Supposedly strikes are continuing.  CNN reports Iranian media is stating Natanz got hit again?

This is kind of embarrassing.  Hopefully they can muster up at least some sort of response so it doesn't look like they did nothing.  Otherwise, much like Lebanon, Israel will now continue hitting Iran at will, anytime they feel like it.

Edited June 13 by coldcow

[Meedy]

@Ashvazdanghe Brother I hope you are and all everyone alright. My condolences to the all Iranians that suffered because of this.   

[Meedy]

1 minute ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

I don't think that the Russians and the Chinese will be dumb and smug enough to see their most reliable regional ally get vaporized and do nothing to help. 

If they are wise enough, they would surely realise that they are likely to eventually be next if they don't do something about.

I think the announcement by UN agency that Iran was NOT complying with UN agency. I would think they (UN) were involved to make this false statement to give so "Justification" to these demons to conduct attacks on Iran.

[Borntowitnesstruth]

May Allah (عزّ وجلّ) rest the martyred in peace and tranquility and grant patience to their relatives. Iranian stance was peaceful throughout the negotiations to assure international viewers the peaceful nature of their atomic program. Now that it's soil has been attacked, it had freed Iran from any international obligation and renders it necessary to go for nuclear weaponization. 

Although this attack is condemnable, but there has been breach within intelligence agency due to which all assassination attempts by the US and Israel have went successful. There have been no counterintelligence efforts since the martyrdom of various Islamic Republic's personalities from 80s and onwards. Iran should have recruited people to install them within the ranks of it's anti-parties that includes former Shah's party and other groups. 

Furthermore, even before initial reports that attack was to happen, Iranian army couldn't arrange for the safety of it's key leadership. Whereas if you see Israelis, their leadership hid itself when Iran launched it's missiles. 

I know that Iran will reply with it's maximum force but it has to work on counter-intelligence, military strategies along with it's military goals within region by taking into account at how many fronts it could engage enemy. So, if it could fight at one front militarily, it should engage enemies at other fronts through proxies and supporting such enemies' hostile entities. 

May Allah (عزّ وجلّ) help Iran and Iranian nation and those who are with Iran and it's allies. Ameen.

[313_Waiter]

16 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Nah, this is all heading to a World War 3 / Malhama / all-out nuclear war scenario

In the view of sh. Imran Hosein this would be correct. This war will bring about Pax Judaica… the third phase of the dajjālic system before Dajjal himself comes down.

[Hamdi]

People forget saddam hussein did worse in the 1980s, he did the same thing israel just did but even worse and he even claimed iran would capilutate in 3 weeks, but the war ended up lasting 8 years and in the end, saddam died like a pig. Israel can't keep starting wars of agression and think that it will be sustainable for them, like germany in ww2, they will get a rude awakening, starting this many wars of agressions is never a good thing. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

23 minutes ago, Meedy said:

I think the announcement by UN agency that Iran was NOT complying with UN agency. I would think they (UN) were involved to make this false statement to give so "Justification" to these demons to conduct attacks on Iran.

I agree, it is time to dump the paper tiger that the UN is; it has never been of any help and I wouldn't be surprised if they are helping the zios by leaking data to them. 

[Northwest]

45 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Nah, this is all heading to a World War 3 / Malhama / all-out nuclear war scenario

@Eddie Mecca That ‘scenario’ has more to do with Western intentions than ‘multipolar’ responses and is in part related to Russo-Sino inaction; Iran is just the latest instance. Economic elites in all three states have sought Western-led integration for decades, thereby contributing to the very things they claimed to avert. Under such conditions credible deterrence cannot possibly exist. (Putin’s negotiating with Trump and Zelensky has in part encouraged European intransigence on Ukraine, for instance.) In Iran the reformists and their assets have served as cover for large-scale Israeli intelligence operations that have borne fruit for Israel. Mossad’s successful covert actions against Iranian air defences, indirectly abetted by pro-Western Iranian elements, have now allowed the Israeli Air Force to conduct numerous strikes in broad daylight.

[Eddie Mecca]

37 minutes ago, 313_Waiter said:

In the view of sh. Imran Hosein this would be correct. This war will bring about Pax Judaica… the third phase of the dajjālic system before Dajjal himself comes down.

They want to rid the planet of its inhabitants... 8 billion is too big to control... Either 1.) Iran, China and Russia submits totally and completely and the Collective West rules the Earth forever or... 2.) Vaporize everything and everyone and hide in the bunkers for 30 - 100 years... When they finally emerge, they inherit the planet... The new nukes don't leave radiation in the soil... They'll have to wait for the debris to clear from the sky and for the sun to return...this option is considered the preferable one

Edited June 13 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

11 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

They'll have to wait for the debris to clear from the sky and for the sun to return

Surah Ad-Dukkahn (The Smoke) is talking about nuclear war/nuclear winter... This is my opinion based on my understanding

Edited June 13 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

31 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

This is my opinion based on my understanding

There's only 3 or 4 ways "smoke" or "dust" or "debris" can envelope the entire planet like that... Either 1.) A large meteor hits the Earth 2.) A super volcano erupts (like Mount Vesuvius)  3.) Nuclear winter... Take your pick

Edited June 13 by Eddie Mecca

[RiseOrDie]

When Qassem Soleimani was martyred in 2020, the Iranians contacted the US through Iraqi intermediaries informing them that they must retaliate and where they will retaliate. That was the turning point in this saga: this was the point in time when Israel and US realised that Iran was a 'sensible player', and that Iran wouldn't just blow everything up, it verified Iran wasn't crazy or fanatic. Which meant all red lines can be crossed without real consequences for Israel/US, and they were. Iran lost it's deterrence in 2020.

What happens next is anyone's guess.

[Eddie Mecca]

1 hour ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Nah, this is all heading to a World War 3 / Malhama / all-out nuclear war scenario

I'm not necessarily saying it's coming tomorrow, next week or next year... But it's definitely coming... perhaps 20 years from now, perhaps tomorrow... Only Allah knows

[Borntowitnesstruth]

1 hour ago, Hamdi said:

People forget saddam hussein did worse in the 1980s, he did the same thing israel just did but even worse and he even claimed iran would capilutate in 3 weeks, but the war ended up lasting 8 years and in the end, saddam died like a pig. Israel can't keep starting wars of agression and think that it will be sustainable for them, like germany in ww2, they will get a rude awakening, starting this many wars of agressions is never a good thing. 

I agree bro. Once a war is started, it is not in the control of the initiator. This has been witnessed throughout centuries. I think, however, it will change the regional peace for a long period of time, and, Israel and the US are responsible for it. 

[Haji 2003]

I agree with this

Netanyahu has said that any Iranian response would be met with taking out Iran's oil facilities. The logical Iranian response to that would be to take out GCC oil. The prospect of that would be the only thing keeping the US/Europe sensible.

Saddam would have done this I think, but I think the West bought off the relevant Generals.

 

 

 

[Silas]

It is counter-intuitive, but the best thing for Iran to do right now

is nothing

Israel launched an unprovoked surprise attack on another country, and hit not only military, but civilian targets. This, combined with its outrages in Gaza and elsewhere, convince the international community that Israel is a rogue-state

even Saudi Arabia denounced the attacks this morning. Many other nations will follow

Netanyahu is trying to bait Iran into a wider conflict, and to pull the US into it --Iran should not be fooled by this.

Iran should take its complaints to the UN and the World Court. Israel needs to be isolated diplomatically and economically. Iran should shoot down missiles and protect its assets, but it shouldn't launch an attack on Israel

People here in the US are pretty outraged over Israel and Netanyahu, and have been for many years. It is the military-industrial complex which supports Israel. Sentiment is even wore in Europe. Israel is quickly being viewed as a bully ethno-state, a bad-actor, and an illegal regime 

[Hamdi]

9 minutes ago, Silas said:

It is counter-intuitive, but the best thing for Iran to do right now

is nothing

Israel launched an unprovoked surprise attack on another country, and hit not only military, but civilian targets. This, combined with its outrages in Gaza and elsewhere, convince the international community that Israel is a rogue-state

even Saudi Arabia denounced the attacks this morning. Many other nations will follow

Netanyahu is trying to bait Iran into a wider conflict, and to pull the US into it --Iran should not be fooled by this.

Iran should take its complaints to the UN and the World Court. Israel needs to be isolated diplomatically and economically. Iran should shoot down missiles and protect its assets, but it shouldn't launch an attack on Israel

People here in the US are pretty outraged over Israel and Netanyahu, and have been for many years. It is the military-industrial complex which supports Israel. Sentiment is even wore in Europe. Israel is quickly being viewed as a bully ethno-state, a bad-actor, and an illegal regime 

 

 

 

 

I understand the concern that israel is trying to bait iran, but at this point enough is enough, israel litterally started a war of agression, if the world can't accept iran attacking israel in self defence, then ths world would never be convinced of israel being the agressor. 

[Eddie Mecca]

5 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

It seems like a certain portion of the Iranian government and military and citizenry have been infiltrated and compromised.

Assad isn't looking like such a traitor anymore... I think he seen the writing on the wall and got himself out of there before ending up like Qaddafi