Israel Strikes Iran

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

13 minutes ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

Until WW2 Europeans were regularly slaughtering each other. It's not unrealistic, there just needs to be the intention to cooperate and unite based upon common interest and shared fate. 

It took centuries of dismantling European tribal systems.by the time that could be accomplished in the middle east the current world order would be long gone.

[coldcow]

7 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Is it possible that Iran may have weapons that they have not shown whose purpose is to exactly to be used for US warplanes?

Doubtful.  I'm fairly certain Iran is going to use whatever it can as soon as it can because the longer it holds on to it, the longer it risks getting bombed and destroyed just sitting on the ground.  

That's essentially what happened with Hezbollah, and now Iran.  Hezbollah didn't use any big missiles until after Israel started bombing, but by then Israel had already mapped out most of their missile stores and started bombing them.  

[Abu Nur]

According to Scott Ritter, Israel has lost half trillion dollars worth of infrastructure damage. 

[Abu Hadi]

Bismillah Ta'la. 

 

This current conflict makes me thing of the famous hadith regarding the Zuhoor that 'the sun will rise from the West'. 

Here is my take on this hadith. 

It has now become clear and obvious to most people in the West (US/UK/Australia/Europe/Canada) and actually most people in the world that democracy and 'freedom' are illusions. We live in an oligarchy that is controlled by the 1%. The election of Trump and now the current discussion around 'attacking Iran', which is not in anyone's interest except the top 1%, and the fact that 99% are against it yet many people have resigned themselves to the fact that it will probably happen. 

This now clear realization regarding the nature of the 'West' has basically divided people into 4 groups. There is the actual 1% who control things. Then there is the second group I call the 'delusional' group who think that they can actually make it into the 1% because they are so intelligent, have some great idea, etc. Then there are the 'normie' group which are basically the people who go along with whatever is being said and done in the society at the time. This group is what the Quran calls the 'cattle, but yet they are even further astray'. So you could call them the cattle group. 

The last group is what I consider myself apart of and have actually always been apart of in one form or another, as have most reverts. This is the outsider group. They are too intelligent to go along with the cattle group, and actually don't fit into this group for various reasons, and they are also not part of the 1% and are not delusional, meaning they realize how the system is set up and know that they will never be a part of it so they seek other means and other avenues to give their life meaning and to get some joy and satisfaction out of life. 

There are other subgroups within the outsiders like criminal gangs, bikers, punk rockers, extreme athletes, etc, etc. In American society there are probably thousands. At the same time, reverts are part of this group, and the revert communities in the West are the ones who I think eventually will become leaders in the West and bring many, many people toward Islam and path of Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)), InShahAllah. 

I don't just say this because I am myself a revert, but I believe this is a logical response to the alienation and despair that is felt by the Majority in the West. People in the West are starting to realize that the so called 'Freedom' they have in the West is actually slavery. They work and pay taxes and these taxes do not benefit them but only benefit those at the top who have access to this money and use it for their own selfish purposes. They either have no opportunities to get ahead and have this 'freedom' and if they do then they find they have to work so hard, just to stay above water, that they actually don't enjoy life and cannot benefit from this 'freedom'. 

What Islam offers is real hope, not the false hope that is offered by the West's version of 'freedom'. Real hope is the result of having and developing a connection with Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), the Creator and source of all hope thru the wasilat of those whom Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) chose for this role, ie the Ahl Al Bayt((عليه السلام)). This connection is something that is non material, so it doesn't depend on how good looking you are, how young you are, what your level of income is, how much 'social intelligence you have', who your friends are, etc, etc. It doesn't depend on where you live, what your ethnic background is, or even whether you are a man or women. 

It is there and has always been there, and once people are exposed to Islam, and they make a sincere intention to make this relationship with Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and the door is open, they rush toward it and thru it. I think because the West is so lacking at the moment in authenticity and real spirituality, and the structure of the society has been set up to draw people away from this (because it is a threat to the oligarchy) that once people find it, and realize it, it will become like a landslide that will sweep away much of the current structure in the West and this will create a movement of authentic Islam that will be large and will happen all of a sudden, and will appear, like the sun rising. 

[Abu Nur]

Good analysis 

 

[Hamdi]

11 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Palestine if free will be protecting itself from Jordan and Egypt , that region without outside packing simply does not have the power to be a major player

???

11 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Secondly, I’m not saying that Iran should become an ally of Israel just simply neutral in this dispute

You can't afford to be neutral with israel, they will attack you no matter what, unless you bootlick them and even this is not guarenteed, look at syria. Being neutral towards yazid(la) 2.0 is never good.

11 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

As far as “genocidal backstabbing savages” 

yes, in many ways it does apply to IDF , but so are the Egyptian military and definitely many others in this world. Why should Iran pick a fight with all of them ? 

Because israelis are unmatched in their deception, backstabbing and savagery, they're comparable to the fascists of ww2, such as the japanese and germans 80 years ago. 

11 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Jews religious and nationalist ones consider ALL non-Jews savages , read the Talmud this isn’t just modern Israelis 

The core talmudic beleifs of zionism date back to the times of the pharases and even before, these messianic lunatics have always existed and many jews even tried stopping their lunacy over the centuries. Unfrotunatley they got a colony in 1948. Many jews are normal people who want to mind their own buisness, but unfortunatley most jews have been brainwashed by the horrible teachings of the talmud/zionism. 

11 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Are you not familiar with ethnic and religious prejudices in the Middle East ? Not unique just to Israel, the difference here is that they have to backing  of most the Western world so they’re able to enforce their strategy better and have monopoly of power 

As I said, israel is unmatched in it. Israel is so backwards and savage, that when their hospital was accidentally bombed today, people litterally didn't feel sympathy. Some people unfortunatley even celebrated, which is understandable but not acceptable islamically. 

 

And im lebanese, lebanon has a lot of racism in it, even in some statistics it came at n1 in racism(although that study had a small sample of 60 people and they're probably all maronite fascists) but israel, you just have to look at their statistics on gaza to realise that 85% of them are racist supermacist lunatics and it doesn't help that israel is known to have marches of tens of thousands of people chanting "death to arabs" and their people are known to be the most arrogant hate filled people on this planet.

11 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

there is no way Israelis are more “ Nasibi “ than wahabi that is just your fundamental misunderstanding of the word. 

No misunderstanding here, israelis hate ahlul bayt(عليه السلام) and all of islam and even our prophets(عليه السلام) such as isa(عليه السلام) and Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), they're the worst of the worst. Zionists are no diffirent than the people of banu israel who slaugthered prophets(عليه السلام) as a common thing. 

11 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

America and Israel operate in the same Machiavellian way that all powers do, there is nothing unique in this. What is unique are some powers are so ideologically driven that they take an irrational approach towards politics and war. 

America and israel will never stop until the entire arab world licks their boots clean and is submissive to them as good little hedonistic kaffir states that have 0 sovreignty. 

Edited June 20 by Hamdi

[coldcow]

1 hour ago, Abu Nur said:

According to Scott Ritter, Israel has lost half trillion dollars worth of infrastructure damage. 

I have no clue how much they've lost.  But be weary of what Scott Ritter says.  Just because he says things you want to hear, doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.  He's been out of the government and the military for a long time.  I'm pretty sure he also predicted an Israeli defeat at the hands of Hezbollah, as well as many thousands of IDF dead in Gaza.

[AbdusSibtayn]

10 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Is it possible that Iran may have weapons that they have not shown whose purpose is to exactly to be used for US warplanes?

Maybe, but I think they do. They are using standard ballistic and even cruise missiles presently. They might shift to more advanced ones if the Americans become involved. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

4 hours ago, Diaz said:

Once they are ready, they will do the needful. Right now the government are secretly supporting Israel, we still didn’t hear anything about it from Sheikh Naem Qasem

It's a tactical decision by Sheikh Qassem (ha). 

Previously whenever Hezbollah used to participate in a war the Christian fascists, the Sunnis and the Druze fifth columnists used to cry out that the Jews and Americans are hitting Lebanon because of Hezbollah, who get involved in wars which have nothing to do with Lebanon and provoke their enemies to strike. 

Now that Hezbollah is not involved militarily at all, and the jews are still bombing Lebanon with American backing, it is clear that Hezbollah is not the problem, and the enemies have lost that excuse. 

[ServantOfMahdi]

 

[AbdusSibtayn]

[coldcow]

3 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

Now that Hezbollah is not involved militarily at all, and the jews are still bombing Lebanon with American backing, it is clear that Hezbollah is not the problem, and the enemies have lost that excuse. 

But they're claiming they're targetting Hezbollah in all these bombings.  Whether true or not, they're saying it.  

[Quran313]

There is a possibility that Zio regime might play victim game. We all know who they are. Their so called government banned people from leaving the occupied land. Building military bases at the middle of the city next to hospitals? There is a reason why they do these things.

[Haji 2003]

A few tweets

 

 

[Abu Nur]

5 hours ago, Quran313 said:

There is a possibility that Zio regime might play victim game. 

It really doesn't work, because everyone knows their hypocrisy and genocide. People have saying if Iran only were attacking early, but that would exactly give the Zionist win on the victim game, but not anymore. Unless majority of humanity are dumb who fall for it.

Edited June 20 by Abu Nur

[Abu Nur]

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Another ineffective bull[Edited Out]ter. Jordan permits Israeli planes to use its air space regularly. Bars Iran from doing so and here is unable to distinguish one mouth from another.

 

Their economy is based on help of Israel and US, so they allow anything for them. Jordan is the first of countries that will fall if the war extend, that's why he is so fearful. 

The sahih narration said that all these Arabian kings and their kingdom will fall before Imam Mehdi (عليه السلام) coming.

[Abu Nur]

O you who believe! What is the matter with you, when it is said to you, "Mobilize in the cause of God,"‌ you cling heavily to the earth? Do you prefer the present life to the Hereafter? The enjoyment of the present life, compared to the Hereafter, is only a little.

Unless you mobilize, He will punish you most painfully, and will replace you with another people, and you will not harm Him at all. God has power over all things. Qur'an 9:38-39

Mobilize, light or heavy, and strive with your possessions and your lives in the cause of God. That is better for you, if you only knew.  Qur'an 9:41

Edited June 20 by Abu Nur

[Abu Nur]

Russian representative at UN Security Council meeting says Israel is trying to drag third countries into its war

[Abu Nur]

The USS Nimitz carrier strike group will arrive in the Middle East this weekend, a U.S. official tells Fox news. The Nimitz left the South China Sea on Monday. The U.S. will now have two aircraft carriers in the Middle East at the same time.

Israel have been two days attacking very limited strikes, making you to think that they are preparing to attack Iran with hundreds of jets with American help of two aircraft carriers. They really want to use all type of bombs, including ‘bunker buster’ bombs to kill our leaderships, destroying the economy and society of Iran to ashes.

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) curse these evil people and never make their plan ever success.

[Eddie Mecca]

@Haji 2003, all the articles were good except the MENA Unleashed one... pure speculative nonsense 

[Abu Hadi]

I would say be ready for anything. This will probably be the most unpredictable weekend in all of recent history. 

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) curse the Zionists and their supporters. 

I would say it is more likely (more than 50%) that the US will attack in the next few days. It is also possible that they won't and they will try to make a comprehensive ceasefire covering both the current war and the other current war (i.e. Gaza). Trump must know at this point that if he attacks Iran that a good portion of his base will turn on him, because he campaigned on 'America First', i.e. take care of things in America and forget about the rest of the world. This would be directly going against that, i.e. getting involved in an offensive war of choice (not a defensive war) which will cost the US billions or maybe trillions of dollars and potentially thousands of American lives on behalf of Israel. 

So I think this fact is the only thing that is making him stop and give pause (because we already know he has no moral compass) , and it may not be enough. We'll see fairly soon. 

Edited June 20 by Abu Hadi

[ServantOfMahdi]

Ali Shamkhani alive, recovering from serious injuries in a hospital, saying:

I am alive and ready to sacrifice myself.

 

[Abu Nur]

Why Losing Iran is an Existential Threat to Russia | Stanislav Krapivnik
 

 

[Panzerwaffe]

19 hours ago, coldcow said:

I have no clue how much they've lost.  But be weary of what Scott Ritter says.  Just because he says things you want to hear, doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.  He's been out of the government and the military for a long time.  I'm pretty sure he also predicted an Israeli defeat at the hands of Hezbollah, as well as many thousands of IDF dead in Gaza.

It’s a pity , I really like him 

he was unfairly targeted in the past maybe that’s affecting him 

[Panzerwaffe]

19 hours ago, Hamdi said:

???

You can't afford to be neutral with israel, they will attack you no matter what, unless you bootlick them and even this is not guarenteed, look at syria. Being neutral towards yazid(la) 2.0 is never good.

Because israelis are unmatched in their deception, backstabbing and savagery, they're comparable to the fascists of ww2, such as the japanese and germans 80 years ago. 

The core talmudic beleifs of zionism date back to the times of the pharases and even before, these messianic lunatics have always existed and many jews even tried stopping their lunacy over the centuries. Unfrotunatley they got a colony in 1948. Many jews are normal people who want to mind their own buisness, but unfortunatley most jews have been brainwashed by the horrible teachings of the talmud/zionism. 

As I said, israel is unmatched in it. Israel is so backwards and savage, that when their hospital was accidentally bombed today, people litterally didn't feel sympathy. Some people unfortunatley even celebrated, which is understandable but not acceptable islamically. 

 

And im lebanese, lebanon has a lot of racism in it, even in some statistics it came at n1 in racism(although that study had a small sample of 60 people and they're probably all maronite fascists) but israel, you just have to look at their statistics on gaza to realise that 85% of them are racist supermacist lunatics and it doesn't help that israel is known to have marches of tens of thousands of people chanting "death to arabs" and their people are known to be the most arrogant hate filled people on this planet.

No misunderstanding here, israelis hate ahlul bayt(عليه السلام) and all of islam and even our prophets(عليه السلام) such as isa(عليه السلام) and Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), they're the worst of the worst. Zionists are no diffirent than the people of banu israel who slaugthered prophets(عليه السلام) as a common thing. 

America and israel will never stop until the entire arab world licks their boots clean and is submissive to them as good little hedonistic kaffir states that have 0 sovreignty. 

You are Lebanese so your experiences have nurtured an irrational hatred in you so I  cannot reason with you ,if IDF is yazid and Egypt army is better than IDF then as they say in Urdu “ aap ka tu Allah hee hafiz hai “ 

I wish you solace and peace 

your subjective interpretation and opinions are not conclusive proof 

however I will ask you please don’t compare Wehrmacht ( who fought chivalrously for the most part ) with the barbaric savage imperial Japanese army 

Edited June 20 by Panzerwaffe

[Abu Nur]

Syria warned Hisbullah not to support Iran and Hisbullah ignored their threat. It is possible that if fitting Hisbullah and Iran will coordinate in soon future. I believe same goes with Iraqis.

[Diaz]

6 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Syria warned Hisbullah not to support Iran and Hisbullah ignored their threat

During Assad regime? Or now you mean?

[Abu Nur]

Just now, Diaz said:

During Assad regime? Or now you mean?

Just recently by hts dogs. 

[Diaz]

10 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Just recently by hts dogs. 

I didn’t know about it, may Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) curse them. 

[Eddie Mecca]

According to certain sources, scores and scores of planes carrying God-knows-what are pouring into Iran from China and Russia... for the SAN and Yasir Habib fan boys, if you think China and Russia are going to gently relinquish their slice of the regional energy corridor without a vicious dog-eat-dog fight, and go quietly into the night, you're sadly mistaken... even the sincere brothers and sisters who mistakenly thought China and Russia would allow a fellow BRICS members to be attacked and not respond... Abu Ali (Putin) might intervene on behalf of Tehran even though no official military pact exists... Putin previously (early into the conflict) asked if they (Iranians) needed any assistance and was kindly rebuffed... they responded to him with a "we got this" sort of reply

 

Edited June 20 by Eddie Mecca

[Eddie Mecca]

Hezbollah may be laying low because of the Sufyani hadith about "lay low and do not move around too much and draw attention to yourselves" hadith... Hizb and Iran could know something theologically that the rest of us do not know... al-Julani could very well be the Sufyani... Central command of Axis of Resistance has quietly shifted to Yemen

[Abu Nur]

China Halts Critical Exports as Trade War Intensifies

China has suspended exports of a wide range of critical minerals and magnets, threatening to choke off supplies of components central to automakers, aerospace manufacturers, semiconductor companies and military contractors around the world.

Shipments of the magnets, essential for assembling everything from cars and drones to robots and missiles, have been halted at many Chinese ports while the Chinese government drafts a new regulatory system. Once in place, the new system could permanently prevent supplies from reaching certain companies, including American military contractors.

Source

This is bad news for Israel who made contract with US to build more Arrow missiles. 

Edited June 20 by Abu Nur

[Eddie Mecca]

Salaam... stop watching 1 minute video clip here, another 2 minute clip there... our Christian brother Richard Medhurst has compiled 6 days worth of authentic news information into a convenient 6 hour video... Pray for Richard... he might go to jail in 2 months on drawnup terrorism charges...pray for Professor Mohammad Marandi... the Israelis are targeting him for extermination/liquidation... pray for all the truth-tellers and whistle blowers... Streamed approximately 24 hours ago

 

Edited June 21 by Eddie Mecca

[Azadeh307]

I don’t think Iran is in a desperate situation despite the multitude of traitor Muslim governments.

 

If Iran was desperate, in my opinion, Ayatollah Khamenei would have issued a fatwa that the Shia who chose him as their marja are to declare jihad against the Zionist state regardless of where they live in the world. Such a fatwa has not been issued otherwise Zionists would be harping on about "activation of terrorist cells."

 

The Jewish people, some of who are innocent, don’t deserve what their leader Netanyahu is doing to them. Netanyahu is basically holding Jewish people hostage and not letting them leave the country so he won’t be arrested. Netanyahu is a war criminal who the International Court of Justice has deemed guilty of genocide. No one should trust him.

 

The fact that US may have to step into this war is a testament to the fact Netanyahu is losing the war he started.

 

If Jewish people want to honestly seek peace they need to depose Netanyahu and then turn him into the International Court of Justice so he can be tried for war crimes. I believe Iran would agree to a ceasefire if they did this. Even German Christians took a stand against Hitler, who was a Christian.

 

The good Jewish people need to step it up.

 

Iran has little reason to accept a ceasefire with Netanyahu’s administration given Netanyahu’s administration has struck ceasefire deals with Palestine and Hezbollah but continues to bomb these two peoples regularly. Not to mention everyday Israeli Soldiers are killing 50-80 innocent Palestinians including children who wait in aid lines for food and water.

Edited June 21 by Azadeh307

[Hamdi]

7 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

You are Lebanese so your experiences have nurtured an irrational hatred in you so I  cannot reason with you ,if IDF is yazid and Egypt army is better than IDF then as they say in Urdu “ aap ka tu Allah hee hafiz hai “ 

There is nothing irrational about hating child killers, if you see that as irrational, may Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) guide you. The idf is a million times worse than the egyptian army, no doubt about it. 

7 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

I wish you solace and peace 

your subjective interpretation and opinions are not conclusive proof 

I'm basing it on two things:

my subjective experience of israeli savagery. After all, my familly lived under israeli occupation and under arab dictatorships like saddam hussein, hafez al assad, etc... and israel is 100% the worst of the worst, without a doubt, their brutality, racism and savagery is unmatched. 

But there is also the long list of objective proof that israel is the most backwards uncivilised terrorist colony on this planet. If you fail to see it, that's your problem. I even presented some objective facts which you chose to ignore, such as israel attacking syrians who want to bootlick them. 

You're the one who is unfortunatley wrongfully assuming i'm basing this on my subjective experiences only. I'm basing it on both. 

7 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

however I will ask you please don’t compare Wehrmacht ( who fought chivalrously for the most part ) with the barbaric savage imperial Japanese army 

You defenetly need guidance from Allah(سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), yikes. 

Edited June 21 by Hamdi