Israel Strikes Iran

[Panzerwaffe]

32 minutes ago, IraqiFeyli313 said:

Russia cannot be trusted at all, they haven't and will not give Iran, the SU-35s they ordered. Hopefully, this war will be a wake up call for Iran to lean more towards China militarily. As the saying goes "Friends close, enemies closer". 

Bro su-35 or even f-35 for Iran will not magically solve their air defense problem 

Iran lacks the IADS and SEAD infrastructure and experience that IDAF has , and its no shame they are ahead of everyone except USAF 

[IraqiFeyli313]

1 minute ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Bro su-35 or even f-35 for Iran will not magically solve their air defense problem 

Iran lacks the IADS and SEAD infrastructure and experience that IDAF has , and its no shame they are ahead of everyone except USAF 

Either way, those jets would have at least helped with preventing Israel from striking on the first day. All I'm saying is that Russia cannot be trusted and that Iran stop exporting military hardware to Russia.

[Marbles]

20 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Why would you hold him in contempt?
He has at least for the last five years, almost, always spoken the truth on most issues

That was from his Fox news days.

[ServantOfMahdi]

The Lion of Ali roars again

[Panzerwaffe]

2 hours ago, Marbles said:

That was from his Fox news days.

He held democrats accountable esp on DEI issues 

he also berated Max boots and Ralph guy one who wrote red army ( can’t recall his name ) 

he has a great book “ ship of fools “

 

[Panzerwaffe]

2 hours ago, IraqiFeyli313 said:

Either way, those jets would have at least helped with preventing Israel from striking on the first day. All I'm saying is that Russia cannot be trusted and that Iran stop exporting military hardware to Russia.

Unless they had 100 5th gen fighters it would have made no difference 

no one can be trusted esp not their brotherly Muslim neighbors , these buck tooth clowns like Taqi Osmani ( or ummavi ) they just want to fight Israel TO THE LAST IRANIAN. Please don’t fall into this trap 

self reliance is key 

only friends in realpolitik are fair weather ones 

Edited June 18 by Panzerwaffe

[Hamdi]

My question is what are americans doing? Why aren't they impeaching this lunatic before he drags the entire world into a great economic depression and starts a sensless war? How are americans electing lunatic after lunatic? 

 

If they brag so much about how free they are, how come theyre doing nothing when they have psychos like biden and trump ruining their countries and starting wars of agressions that will put them in danger and ruin their economies? 

 

It's dissapointing, they should stop bragging about their values, when they either have the inability to remove evil people they elected in the first place or they're content with them being in power. 

[Guest JustAVisitor]

4 minutes ago, Hamdi said:

My question is what are americans doing? Why aren't they impeaching this lunatic before he drags the entire world into a great economic depression and starts a sensless war? How are americans electing lunatic after lunatic? 

 

If they brag so much about how free they are, how come theyre doing nothing when they have psychos like biden and trump ruining their countries and starting wars of agressions that will put them in danger and ruin their economies? 

 

It's dissapointing, they should stop bragging about their values, when they either have the inability to remove evil people they elected in the first place or they're content with them being in power. 

 

If you go on twitter and see Trump's posts about this subject and see the outstanding number of people supporting his tweets, you'll understand.

[Abu Hadi]

22 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

If he doesn't follow the Zionist, then he will be assassinated.

It's not quite that simple. They might try but they are not 'all powerful'. You could say that they are probably the most powerful single faction in the US. At the same time, there are alot of other factions. There is the 'America First' people like Tucker Carlson, Candice Owens, Steve Bannon, etc. These people have common interests with the Zionists and sometimes support them, but they are not the same. Their focus is more to make the US a White, Christian, ethno state which is ironic because Candice Owens is black). They don't care about other countries, like even Israel. They will take their money, though. 

There are also the Democratic Socialists like AOC and Bernie Sanders. They also have some common interests but they are not the same. Their goal at this point is to get more political power to advance their agenda, and btw, I think they will soon become the most powerful faction in the US based on their momentum. My main problem with them is that they are politicians who talk a good game, but once they are in power, I'm not sure what their agenda is exactly. They might just want power and influence for themselves, like Trump. not sure at this point. 

Even amoung the Zionists, the vast majority are Christian Zionists. Jewish Zionists have alot of power, but they are few in number. 

Yes, the Zionists have alot of power, but its more fractured and nuanced than it appears to people who are outside the US or people inside the US that only stick to their own ethnic communities. 

 

Edited June 18 by Abu Hadi

[StrangerInThisWorld]

How about the following idea?:

Iran declares that it doesn't want to resume its nuclear program anymore, but demands an immediate ceasefire against itself and against the people in Gaza. 

After a ceasefire it should then concentrate on strengthening its ballistic missiles, strengthening its air defense and aircraft capabilities in order to be prepared for future conflicts. 

 

The reason for stating the above is the following: As long as Iran has the nuclear program the US will want to send "inspectors" in order to spy on the country. Why even give them this opportunity?

Edited June 18 by StrangerInThisWorld

[Abu Nur]

30 minutes ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

but demands an immediate ceasefire against itself and against the people in Gaza. 

Natanyahu is the one who started it and he will never accept ceasefire till Iran change their government for Pro-US and they take Gaza and West Bank and to begin expanding to Greater Israel. 

There is nothing shame for Iran to demand ceasefire, but at this point we should already recognize that these people are shayatins in the same level of the enemies of the Prophet (saws), where only war and killing will shun them or they will destroy anything Shia hold as value. 

[Abu Nur]

How many times Imam Ali (عليه السلام) fought for Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) sake and saved Islam from destruction. May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) give us tawfeek to win over the enemies of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). 

[Panzerwaffe]

38 minutes ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

How about the following idea?:

Iran declares that it doesn't want to resume its nuclear program anymore, but demands an immediate ceasefire against itself and against the people in Gaza. 

After a ceasefire it should then concentrate on strengthening its ballistic missiles, strengthening its air defense and aircraft capabilities in order to be prepared for future conflicts. 

 

The reason for stating the above is the following: As long as Iran has the nuclear program the US will want to send "inspectors" in order to spy on the country. Why even give them this opportunity?

Nobody believes Tehran in western world anymore 

Ballistic missiles will immediately trigger zionists too 

[StrangerInThisWorld]

3 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Natanyahu is the one who started it and he will never accept ceasefire till Iran change their government for Pro-US and they take Gaza and West Bank and to begin expanding to Greater Israel. 

There is nothing shame for Iran to demand ceasefire, but at this point we should already recognize that these people are shayatins in the same level of the enemies of the Prophet (saws), where only war and killing will shun them or they will destroy anything Shia hold as value. 

I agree, I think they need a sound beating in order to accept a ceasefire and leave Gaza and the West Bank alone. The ceasefire here is obviously a tactical one and should be used to strengthen ones capabilities. We have a good example in the treaty of Hudaybiyya. 

[Hamdi]

47 minutes ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

How about the following idea?:

Iran declares that it doesn't want to resume its nuclear program anymore, but demands an immediate ceasefire against itself and against the people in Gaza. 

After a ceasefire it should then concentrate on strengthening its ballistic missiles, strengthening its air defense and aircraft capabilities in order to be prepared for future conflicts. 

 

The reason for stating the above is the following: As long as Iran has the nuclear program the US will want to send "inspectors" in order to spy on the country. Why even give them this opportunity?

Too late, america has made up its mind that it wants to regime change iran. If iran accepts no nuclear energy, america will then demand no ballistic missiles. It's a slippery slope and iran knows it. 

Edited June 18 by Hamdi

[Abu Nur]

From the times of Israel:

Israel running low on Arrow interceptors, US burning through its systems too – WSJ

US official says Israel could have to start rationing air defenses by later this week, and ‘the system is already overwhelmed’; Israel has given no indication of shortage. 

[Abu Nur]

Trump has accepted the attack but waits if Iran change their minds. This means US will be officially in war with Iran and all their bases will be targets. 

Edited June 18 by Abu Nur

[Panzerwaffe]

1 hour ago, Hamdi said:

Too late, america has made up its mind that it wants to regime change iran. If iran accepts no nuclear energy, america will then demand no ballistic missiles. It's a slippery slope and iran knows it. 

The appropriate term is Carthagian peace 

[Panzerwaffe]

1 hour ago, StrangerInThisWorld said:

I agree, I think they need a sound beating in order to accept a ceasefire and leave Gaza and the West Bank alone. The ceasefire here is obviously a tactical one and should be used to strengthen ones capabilities. We have a good example in the treaty of Hudaybiyya. 

The other side is not that dumb 

Iran was in a fantastic position post 911 and esp post Iraq invasion 

combination of diplomacy wrt Israel and US could have solidified the Shia crescent and eclipsed the Sunni states 

but it was all squandered 

[Ibn Tayyar]

50 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

Trump has accepted the attack but waits if Iran change their minds. This means US will be officially in war with Iran and all their bases will be targets. 

Some people think attacking bases is so easy. Reports already show the US has evacuated non-sheltered aircraft from Qatar and naval vessels from Bahrain. Mostly what is left is air defense installations.

It is likely the US would use Saudi, Jordan and the UAE as bases of operation, which means Iran would need to use longer range missiles than some of their shorter-range ones that were pointed at Qatar, if they actually want to effect USAF operations against them.

The level of precision you need to actually disable a base is astounding. You can keep hitting concrete, you won't achieve anything except delaying time (if you actually hit the runway). This is if the munition you launched actually reached the base in the first place - meaning it bypasses the IADS. Most missiles and drones get intercepted.

Well built bases are also designed to work even if they are under heavy bombardment. They don't disintegrate even if they are subjected to punishing attacks.

Furthermore, the US would likely heavily use their aircraft carriers and position them very far away, so they are out of range of most Iranian missiles.

War is not a video game. Base = hit = game over is a foolish equation. 

I don't know how it will end (I do have my suspicions on Iran's political survival, may Allah protect them) but it will not be easy. I don't know of any war that was won by missiles and drones primarily, especially without a ground force.

The actual ground force that Iran created (Hezbollah) to complicate matters for Israel is a shadow of its former self.

While at the same time, the Mossad is running wild inside Iran, probably awaiting the perfect time to create a political nightmare in Iran through the encouraging of seperatist militias and armed opposition groups that would be willing to take advantage of a weakened security situation. 

I'll be back in come back to this post for an update.

I either see a deal that Iran signs which forbids any and all enrichment.. or possibly the worst case scenario.

May Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) protect the believers in Iran from this viscious enemy.

Edited June 19 by Ibn Tayyar

[coldcow]

9 hours ago, IraqiFeyli313 said:

Either way, those jets would have at least helped with preventing Israel from striking on the first day. All I'm saying is that Russia cannot be trusted and that Iran stop exporting military hardware to Russia.

Not really.  Everyone in Iran was caught sleeping.  Can have the best weapons, but if you're not manning them with well trained and prepared people that are on high alert, the enemy can sneak in at will and destroy it.

1 hour ago, Abu Nur said:

Israel running low on Arrow interceptors, US burning through its systems too – WSJ

US official says Israel could have to start rationing air defenses by later this week, and ‘the system is already overwhelmed’; Israel has given no indication of shortage. 

Probably true.  I think they're already rationing missiles.  However, they aren't low on conventional missiles that they're using to strike at launching sites in Iran.  Iran needs to figure out how to hit important targets in Israel that can slow how fast the Israelis can launch attacks against Iran.  The drones they're sending are almost useless.  Even the Jordanians are able to shoot many down with their helicopters, instead of wasting missiles on them.  

But if they start hitting more power plants, desalination plants, and especially ammunition and fuel depots for the air force, that'll make this conflict very painful for Israel.  I think they've come close to hitting some intercept launchers, but I haven't seen a direct hit.  If they could manage a few of those, that'd also help.  

[Hamdi]

40 minutes ago, Panzerwaffe said:

The other side is not that dumb 

Iran was in a fantastic position post 911 and esp post Iraq invasion 

combination of diplomacy wrt Israel and US could have solidified the Shia crescent and eclipsed the Sunni states 

but it was all squandered 

Diplomacy was never an option with israel and america, iran would have had to become a useless vassal state to ever have a deal with america and give up entirely on lebanon, palestine, etc... and then iran would have been destroyed after america decides to backstab them once they have no use for them. The shia crescent was exactly what america and israel did not want, it would have become the kaffir/nasibi crescent, given america and israel are the worst of the worst when it comes to nasibis, even takfiri terrirists. 

[ServantOfMahdi]

https://www.youtube.com/live/fv_BzCv20A4?si=7ugtCsu7qHyiKkVj

[Panzerwaffe]

2 hours ago, Hamdi said:

Diplomacy was never an option with israel and america, iran would have had to become a useless vassal state to ever have a deal with america and give up entirely on lebanon, palestine, etc... and then iran would have been destroyed after america decides to backstab them once they have no use for them. The shia crescent was exactly what america and israel did not want, it would have become the kaffir/nasibi crescent, given america and israel are the worst of the worst when it comes to nasibis, even takfiri terrirists. 

There are no permanent enemies in politics , your worst enemies are usually your neighbors definitely not the enemy of your enemies.

why should we sacrifice the strongest Shia state in history for sake of Palestinians vast majority of whom will always consider Shia kaffir or innovators ? 

the fight that is ideological is with wahabi Sunnis who are the existential enemies of Shias 

A strong stable Iran ( without saddam or taliban ) and not a declared enemy of US or Israel will be far stronger than Turkey today , able to play both sides ( China / Russia and US ) against each other 

West worked with safavi Shia  Iran for a long time as it was enemy  of ottomans , so not without precedent 

 

Edited June 19 by Panzerwaffe

[Panzerwaffe]

2 hours ago, coldcow said:

Not really.  Everyone in Iran was caught sleeping.  Can have the best weapons, but if you're not manning them with well trained and prepared people that are on high alert, the enemy can sneak in at will and destroy it.

Probably true.  I think they're already rationing missiles.  However, they aren't low on conventional missiles that they're using to strike at launching sites in Iran.  Iran needs to figure out how to hit important targets in Israel that can slow how fast the Israelis can launch attacks against Iran.  The drones they're sending are almost useless.  Even the Jordanians are able to shoot many down with their helicopters, instead of wasting missiles on them.  

But if they start hitting more power plants, desalination plants, and especially ammunition and fuel depots for the air force, that'll make this conflict very painful for Israel.  I think they've come close to hitting some intercept launchers, but I haven't seen a direct hit.  If they could manage a few of those, that'd also help.  

Agreed , I guess it boils down how fast they can acquire and deploy MRBM and also how well they can be hidden 

I’m not sure if North Korea can send them some ?

what kind of warheads are they using ? Fragmentation/ cluster  or just HE ? 

 

Edited June 19 by Panzerwaffe

[ServantOfMahdi]

 

[ServantOfMahdi]

 

[Eddie Mecca]

Brethren, if we're going to call the Russians all sorts of derogatory names for not joining the war against Israel, then we have to badmouth the Iranians for abandoning Russia during its time of need (i.e. Russia-Ukraine War) as well... Fair is fair... No formal defense pact currently exists between Moscow and Tehran... Neither country is militarily obligated to rescue, intervene, defend or fight on behalf of the other... Their economic ties have deepened considerably over the years... While not a formal military alliance, they enjoy strategic and logistics partnership which includes: exchange of military technology, defense collaboration, 20 year cooperation agreement etc.

Edited June 19 by Eddie Mecca

[Azadeh307]

 

[Hamdi]

5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

There are no permanent enemies in politics , your worst enemies are usually your neighbors definitely not the enemy of your enemies.

I agree, when palestine is free, that region will become iran's ally, otherwise, allying with genocidal backstabbing savages is a deathwish, even making an alliance with terrorist groups like isis is less suicidal and that should say a lot about israel, when they surpass the evil of isis. That rule you gave is what you think the general rule of alliances and enmity should be, but considering israel is no ordinary country and is instead a terrorist colony, i don't know why you decided to tell about your rule. 

5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

why should we sacrifice the strongest Shia state in history for sake of Palestinians vast majority of whom will always consider Shia kaffir or innovators ? 

A lot of pakistanis consider shias as kaffir, most israelis consider shias subhuman. 

5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

the fight that is ideological is with wahabi Sunnis who are the existential enemies of Shias 

I have news for you, so are israelis, even more than the wahabbi takfiris, israelis are the biggest nasibis on this earth and the most cursed colony. 

5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

A strong stable Iran ( without saddam or taliban ) and not a declared enemy of US or Israel will be far stronger than Turkey today , able to play both sides ( China / Russia and US ) against each other 

Too bad this is an unrealistic dream considering how america and israel operate. 

5 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

West worked with safavi Shia  Iran for a long time as it was enemy  of ottomans , so not without precedent 

 

Were living in the 21st century, not 300 years ago my friend. 

Edited June 19 by Hamdi

[Hamdi]

On the real, israel put their command center near their millitary hospital????

these guys are crazy, its incredible how everything they accuse their ennemies of doing, they do themselves. The hospital was damaged, yet they act as if it was a warcrime. 

 

Here is the full statement of the irgc:

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench/43135

IRGC confirms hitting Command Center and NOT the hospital.

 

Statement No. 12 of the IRGC:

 

The 14th wave began with a combination of kamikaze drones and strategic missiles. The regime's army command and intelligence center, near a hospital, was targeted with high precision and pinpoint accuracy. Israel deliberately placed its command center in adjacent to its hospital.

 

Israel has evacuated its military centers and has deployed its useless defense systems in the middle of urban centers, covering public places.

 

The IRGC says it has previously warned that the entire sky over the occupied territories is defenseless and there would be no safe spot. 

 

IRGC now warns Israel will no longer be able to withstand economic blows.

Edited June 19 by Hamdi

[Haji 2003]

I don't know how accurate the portrayal of Iranian military doctrine is, but an interesting post

Quote

 

But Iran is doing something different lately. It's not aiming at fighter jets or barracks. Instead, it’s hitting power stations, refineries, water plants, and even wealthy residential buildings. On paper, that sounds random or even irrational. But in practice, it’s devastatingly effective.  This isn’t about scoring tactical victories. It’s about breaking a way of life. Because Israelis are not Palestinians or Houthis. They are used to a certain standard of comfort: hot showers, air conditioning, stable electricity, peace at night. Remove those things—even temporarily—and you don’t just disrupt logistics; you unravel morale. You create a society where people can’t sleep through the night without sirens, can’t go to work or school because the roads are blocked, can’t cook a meal because the power is out. That’s not just inconvenience. That’s psychological warfare. Call it the “art of war for the poor.” Iran doesn’t have fifth-generation fighters or satellite-guided bombs in bulk. It can’t dominate the skies or the seas. But what it does have are thousands of mid-range missiles, often launched from half-destroyed bases, using improvised logistics and patchwork arsenals. And it’s learned to use them with precision—not to destroy armies, but to slowly erode an opponent’s morale. What makes this strategy so effective is its rhythm. Iran isn't firing everything at once. It’s using small, frequent, multi-wave barrages—like mosquito bites. One or two don’t kill you. But day after day, with no sleep, no rest, no end in sight, even the strongest system starts to break down. This approach forces Israel to keep its missile defense on high alert around the clock. Systems like Iron Dome and David’s Sling are impressive, but they’re also expensive and finite. Some of these interceptors are produced at a rate of only a few hundred per year. If Iran can force Israel to burn through that stockpile in weeks, it wins—without ever needing to land a single decisive blow. Iran is not bombing military command centers—it’s hitting the soft underbelly of Israeli society: electricity grids, desalination plants, industrial infrastructure. These targets don’t make sensational headlines like nuclear sites do, but when the power goes out for three days, when there is no clean water, when the school can’t open, the country begins to wobble from within. All the while, there are hardly any civilian deaths.  It’s not that Iran can’t hit military bases. It’s that hitting them doesn’t accomplish much. Israel’s key bases are buried underground, protected by electronic countermeasures, and located in remote desert regions. Even a direct hit might just blow up a decoy or an empty hangar. So why waste a missile on that? Instead, Iran aims to make daily life in Israel feel unsafe, uncertain, and unsustainable. And with every civilian apartment struck, the global social media sphere rejoices—inevitably calling it “tit-for-tat,” or affirming “Iran has the right to defend itself.”  This chips away at Israel’s moral high ground while giving Iran full moral legitimacy. Iran is the “resister.”

 

https://x.com/PandemicTruther/status/1935593523052503551

 

[Eddie Mecca]

Iranian promises of "surprise attacks that will be remembered centuries from now"... remember, Iran’s be planning this war for 45 years... muah-hahaha (devious demonic laugh)

Edited June 19 by Eddie Mecca

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 hour ago, Haji 2003 said:

I don't know how accurate the portrayal of Iranian military doctrine is, but an interesting post

https://x.com/PandemicTruther/status/1935593523052503551

 

As I have always maintained, making the occupation unlivable is also a net gain. 

The squatters are essentially demonic cowards; they and their gay diaper army can only go as far as committing savagery on the weak and the helpless. 

Break them enough from within and they'll be fleeing back to where they belong. 

[coldcow]

8 hours ago, Panzerwaffe said:

Agreed , I guess it boils down how fast they can acquire and deploy MRBM and also how well they can be hidden 

I’m not sure if North Korea can send them some ?

what kind of warheads are they using ? Fragmentation/ cluster  or just HE ? 

 

The problem is that any country can offer to send Iran aid, but none can truly deliver it.  Israeli intelligence seems to know where everything is, and will likely bomb anything as soon as they see it offload from  a plane.  Otherwise I'm sure you'd have seen Iran buying Chinese air defense systems in a hurry.  Would be good for Chinese/Russian systems to get a look at western jets, but I don't think they want to risk them getting destroyed and making their systems look bad.

And yeah, I think just standard explosive warheads.  I believe I heard max payload to be about 2000 lbs.  Most of them appear to be missing their marks by 100-200 meters.  I suspect they're going off satellite coordinates, but most satellite imagery is probably skewed of Israel.  Plus IDF probably using GPS jamming tech.

1 hour ago, Eddie Mecca said:

Iranian promises of "surprise attacks that will be remembered centuries from now"... remember, Iran’s be planning this war for 45 years... muah-hahaha (devious demonic laugh)

Wishful thinking, I feel.  Iran has made plenty of claims, but we're seeing their missile barrages getting less and less.  I fear it's only a matter of time till they have no more ability to launch missiles.  Not sure what will happen then, other than continued bombings of their infrastructure.

If they can just keep launching a few dozen missiles a day, for another week or two, I think Israel will be completely out of interceptors.  Or, just launch 2 or 3 volleys of 100 each, and it'll easily overwhelm.  But they need to start hitting more important things.  More power plants, or desalination plants, or fuel/munitions storages, or even take out a few planes at the bases.

Edited June 19 by coldcow