Is there such as thing a Zionist Shia? Shia Scholars Silent? Why

[Meedy]

The only one I can think of is Ammar Nakhswani (he doesn't deserve to be called Sayed). I used to follow him on Instagram. I found that his silent means he has no problem with what's happening to Palestinians. Either because he is anti Palestinians or scared of British citizenship or he is a completely arrogant person.  He doesn't say anything. He did not even send a condolence or a tribute to Sayed Hassan Nasrallah and the resistances. 

Recently he put a post list of Saddam Hussein list of Crimes. He then put a post about having a session discussing whether music haram or not (some one commented about speaking about real issues such as Palestine, he goes delete those comments.  I used to be a big fan of him but now I have no respect whatsoever for him.

I booked a 30 min consultation with him cost, me $300 few months ago. He doesn't turn up, his team said his flight got delayed, tell us what day you prefer. I replied back with a date. 1 month later, nothing. I sent another email. They said they'll get back to me. It's been more than 3 months. What pisses me off even more, he goes starts his own brand clothing. This is guy has gone astray.

Non Muslims, non believers, Christians, jews and even some Israelis are speaking up against genocide. So why some of the so called "Shia Scholars" who do public speaking, talk about oppression that happened to Ahl-Bayt but are scared or don't talk about about the genocide and yet they wish to be in Imam Mehdi ((عليه السلام))'s Army. 

Come on, surely they can be better than that.

I understand I will get warning for my post or be banned. But this has been bothering me a lot. I had to let it out and to hear people's thoughts.

[Meedy]

I understand this can be considered back biting. 

[mahmood8726]

Zionist shia? Yes, kadhim and he was banned from here after a year of him defending israels genocide whilst pretending to be neutral. There is even worse too, there was this pakistani shia in here in shiachat who 5 years ago, was defending brittish colonialism and he got banned too after a while. 

Edited May 22 by mahmood8726

[hamz786]

I think in the West there is definitely a number of scholars who are not saying as much as they could be. However this is also true of scholars from the other schools of thought who have also been silent. But that minority shouldn't overshadow the rest who have spoken out. I would say this is a general issue for the Western Muslims as a whole.

With that said, I've been as frustrated as yourself but have also come to think that although some may be silent for selfish reasons, who knows what efforts others have been making behind closed doors. 

To go off on a tangent, Israel has proven that no amount of backlash will deter them. Things have changed and I think we need to look beyond protests, boycotts etc. Shaykh Sekaleshfars lectures about migration, a few years ago, don't seem as drastic now as back then, when some people were saying he was being abit extreme.

Edit: Also I find myself getting angrier and more annoyed with the polemicists on all sides. In between a few posts about the oppression in the Muslim world, most of their content is still focused on one-upping and humiliating each other on their beliefs. Pretty much maintaining the biggest block to any impactful action for the oppressed, which is disunity and lack of tolerance.

Edited May 22 by hamz786

[gajarkahalva]

1 hour ago, Meedy said:

 

I booked a 30 min consultation with him cost, me $300 few months ago. He doesn't turn up, his team said his flight got delayed, tell us what day you prefer. I replied back with a date. 1 month later, nothing. I sent another email. They said they'll get back to me. It's been more than 3 months. What pisses me off even more, he goes starts his own brand clothing. This is guy has gone astray.

 

His own brand clothing? Wow!

It is reported that the Commander of the Faithful (‘a) said, “Jesus the son of Mary (‘a) said, ‘The dinar is the illness of religion, and the scholar (al-‘alim) is the physician of religion. So if you see that the physician brings illness upon himself, distrust him, and know that he is not to advise others.”’ (Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 14, p. 319, no. 14) 

[Meedy]

Yup. It's something no one expects from a so called scholar

https://www.thesancollection.com/

 

[AbdusSibtayn]

1 hour ago, mahmood8726 said:

Zionist shia? Yes, kadhim and he was banned from here after a year of him defending israels genocide whilst pretending to be neutral. There is even worse too, there was this pakistani shia in here in shiachat who 5 years ago, was defending brittish colonialism and he got banned too after a while. 

You are either a Shia or Zionist, you can't be both at once. 

A 'Zionist Shia' makes as much sense as an 'Umayyad Shia', an 'Abbasid Shia' Or a 'Kharijite Shia'. 

Zionism and Shiism are mutually exclusive. Zionists are harbi kuffar who are in a state of war with the Muslims and the Shia. They have our holy sites under occupation (bayt al maqdis) or within striking range (in Syria and Iraq). They have committed unspeakable crimes not just against Sunni and Christian Palestinians, but also against our own twelver mu'min brothers in Palestine and Lebanon, having cleansed and flattened village after village during the nakba and their invasions in Lebanon. They are in a permanent state of war with our mu'min brothers in Iran. They support and fund nasibi terrorists like ISIS to massacre and genocide us. Even from a purely Shiite perspective, it is inconceivable how a self respecting shia with even an ounce of gheirah for his religion can choose to be an underling and a shill for the zionazis. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

@Meedy there's a saying, 'Never meet your heroes; you will end up disappointed most of the time.'

Over the years I have also lost regard and respect for a lot of 'scholars'. You will find a lot of such influential figures who don't practice what they preach, and who don't live up to the values taught by the religion they hard-sell all the time. They wax eloquent about every imaginable virtue but when you meet them in person, they are repulsively arrogant abominations. Their hero worship by the clueless masses has gotten to their heads. Let alone famous speakers, you can even find this disease rife within online 'scholars' who have learned some Arabic, read something like half a dozen classical books, debated a few Sunnis and have begun to hallucinate about being scholars. 

This is why we need to value principles over people. Our yardstick is the Thaqalayn. Every individual, no matter how famous or influential, is to be judged by that yardstick. 

As for the figure you mentioned, a lot of people criticize him for several reasons. I have my own reasons, but when religion becomes commercialized and turns into a money-minting business, it is a big, bold warning sign. 

Don't waste money behind celebrity speakers. They can neither teach you religion properly not solve your problems. Consult a reputable scholar/therapist if you have any query/problem.

[ireallywannaknow]

We are in a time where the signs are so so clear. Right vs wrong. Bad vs good. Follow the signs you see. If something smells fishy, it's probably a fish... Or something wise like that...  I don't know, but you know what I mean. 

[mahmood8726]

1 hour ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

You are either a Shia or Zionist, you can't be both at once. 

A 'Zionist Shia' makes as much sense as an 'Umayyad Shia', an 'Abbasid Shia' Or a 'Kharijite Shia'. 

Zionism and Shiism are mutually exclusive. Zionists are harbi kuffar who are in a state of war with the Muslims and the Shia. They have our holy sites under occupation (bayt al maqdis) or within striking range (in Syria and Iraq). They have committed unspeakable crimes not just against Sunni and Christian Palestinians, but also against our own twelver mu'min brothers in Palestine and Lebanon, having cleansed and flattened village after village during the nakba and their invasions in Lebanon. They are in a permanent state of war with our mu'min brothers in Iran. They support and fund nasibi terrorists like ISIS to massacre and genocide us. Even from a purely Shiite perspective, it is inconceivable how a self respecting shia with even an ounce of gheirah for his religion can choose to be an underling and a shill for the zionazis. 

You seem to forget that many muslims will burn in jahannam, including many so called shias. A lot of the informants in lebanon for example are shia muslims, you can beleive in a religion and be evil, you'll just get double the punishment. Commiting murder and being a degenerate doesn't take you out of the fold of islam, it just means you're screwed in yawm al qiyamah.

I know many shias like this, who even support trump, are very racist because they think theyre white aryans and are extreemly sectarian towards sunnis to the point where they hate on hezbollah because "why did they get involved in a war that doesn't concern us, just to save these filthy salafis in gaza"

 

In all honesty, I think you can be both, unless they ofcourse openly curse the 12 immams(عليه السلام) or muhammad(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), etc.... then they are shia muslims, theyre just evil and are destined for jahannam if they don't change their ways. 

Edited May 22 by mahmood8726

[Guest bobb]

Idk man, i think he supports it. I think it is also not the best to backbite, but hey I understand where you come from., BUt I have heard one who has bad ideas of a momin (believer), it is as if all his good deeds dosnt matter something like that. so please becareful, and allah knows best. 

[AbdusSibtayn]

22 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

You seem to forget that many muslims will burn in jahannam, including many so called shias. A lot of the informants in lebanon for example are shia muslims, you can beleive in a religion and be evil, you'll just get double the punishment. Commiting murder and being a degenerate doesn't take you out of the fold of islam, it just means you're screwed in yawm al qiyamah.

I know many shias like this, who even support trump, are very racist because they think theyre white aryans and are extreemly sectarian towards sunnis to the point where they hate on hezbollah because "why did they get involved in a war that doesn't concern us, just to save these filthy salafis in gaza"

 

In all honesty, I think you can be both, unless they ofcourse openly curse the 12 immams(عليه السلام) or muhammad(صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم), etc.... then they are shia muslims, theyre just evil and are destined for jahannam if they don't change their ways. 

They *claim* to be Shia, they're actually not. 

This is not to talk about sinful individuals who nonetheless affirm the wilayah of the Ahlul Bayt (ams) in their hearts; this is about traitors completely in cahoots with the enemies. 

[Abu_Zahra]

I doubt you have actual zionist scholars. Most scholars who are aligned with the ideology of Iran and South Lebanon are staunchly anti Zionist, and many others are also anti but more subtle about it. 

What you do have are quietist or apolitical scholars who either want to keep out of trouble in order to continue their work without being harassed, or who genuinely don't believe in discussing contemporary politics. 

 

[Abu Nur]

If I understood recent of his lectures, he brought how sometimes treaty with muawiya is necessary. But if this is applied to zionist Israel, then I disagree with it, because it is already more over than 75 years of constant deceiving, killing, stealing and humility that these Muslims have received. And if we Shias normalize with them, then we will be humiliated.

Always think good about your brother as long no evidence have been shown ageinst him. 

[realizm]

I will not speak on the silence of scholars because we are being silenced from all sides in the West, so for those scholars it is either they speak or they leave, and what will they become if they all leave, go back to a 9 to 5 ? That's unlikely. Lol.

As for being a zionist and a shia : 

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لَا تَتَّخِذُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالنَّصَارَىٰ أَوْلِيَاءَ ۘ بَعْضُهُمْ أَوْلِيَاءُ بَعْضٍ ۚ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم مِّنكُمْ فَإِنَّهُ مِنْهُمْ ۗ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ ‎﴿٥١﴾‏

It is possible to be initially a shia and lean towards zionism, but as soon as you do you unknowingly leave the faith. That's a serious matter for those who take it lightly. Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) warns us very seriously about the matter.

[Eddie Mecca]

18 hours ago, Meedy said:

"Shia Scholars"

He's not a scholar... he's an social media influencer and YouTube Podcaster and speaker/lecturer 

[ireallywannaknow]

11 hours ago, Abu_Zahra said:

 who genuinely don't believe in discussing contemporary politics. 

 

I have seen several who seem to have this outlook. But I can't seem to figure out *why*. Is there something I'm missing, because to me it seems pretty clear that Islam is there to guide in every aspect of lives, particularly contemporary politics. And as a scholar it's an important role to help guide the laymen through interpreting what's going on in the world through an Islamic lens. 

[Abu Nur]

47 minutes ago, ireallywannaknow said:

I have seen several who seem to have this outlook. But I can't seem to figure out *why*. Is there something I'm missing, because to me it seems pretty clear that Islam is there to guide in every aspect of lives, particularly contemporary politics. And as a scholar it's an important role to help guide the laymen through interpreting what's going on in the world through an Islamic lens. 

Politics for layman is more like speculation and guessing which is very dislikeable that leads to different sins, but for those who work in field it is different. This is why it is better to keep away from it as far as possible.

[Eddie Mecca]

On 5/22/2025 at 7:54 AM, Meedy said:

I understand this can be considered back biting. 

It's not considered backbiting when it's a public figure who's openly engaging in fitna and haram and encouraging others to do likewise... Muslims have an obligation to expose, mock and ridicule such an individual

Edited May 23 by Eddie Mecca