Darwinism and Islam

[Muhammadwasimkhan72]

Hello.

I want to discuss darwinism and it's possibilities or impossiblity.

[notme]

6 hours ago, Muhammadwasimkhan72 said:

Hello.

I want to discuss darwinism and it's possibilities or impossiblity.

What is darwinism? 

Things do evolve; that can be and has been documented.  But what do you mean when you say "darwinism"? 

[Dawid Das]

On 4/26/2025 at 1:30 AM, notme said:

What is darwinism? 

Things do evolve; that can be and has been documented.  But what do you mean when you say "darwinism"? 

Species can evolve from what they already are. For example an animal can become bigger overtime if he is placed under a different environment where he will get more food or humans if placed in different environment. For example if people with light skin are placed in a hot environment. Overtime their descendants will have darker skin but an animal and a human cannever evolve and become another species. I don't believe a single cell can evolve and become a fish over time

Edited April 27 by Dawid Das

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

5 hours ago, Dawid Das said:

Species can evolve from what they already are. For example an animal can become bigger overtime if he is placed under a different environment where he will get more food or humans if placed in different environment. For example if people with light skin are placed in a hot environment. Overtime their descendants will have darker skin but an animal and a human cannever evolve and become another species. I don't believe a single cell can evolve and become a fish over time

I believe in an earth that is around 7 thousand years old so evolution could not happen without their magic billions of years. Evolution is the religion of God denying kufar.

[Eddie Mecca]

The Quran suggests (in several places) consulting experts in the various fields of knowledge when inquiring or pondering over a particular subject of interest...try reading read Maurice Bucaille's BL'homme d'où vient-il? Les réponses de la science et des Écritures Saintes (Where does man come from? The responses of science and Scripture), Seghers, 1980 7ème éd.(ISBN 2221007816).

Bucaille, Maurice (1982). What is the origin of man? : the answers of science and the Holy Scriptures. Paris: Seghers. ISBN 9782221011010

Edited May 20 by Eddie Mecca

[Guest The Grand Master]

From Cosmos to the living things we see here, evolution is the process which has worked. Guided or unguided, that's a separate debate. 

We all know as Quran e Hakeem has mentioned, when Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) intended to do anything He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) says to it "kun" and it becomes. In the matter of creation of cosmos and whatever we see in there, it took 6 days or periods means it is not the result of "kun". Everything has taken its due course and time to go through those stages. Even the creation of Adam (عليه السلام) as mentioned in Nehjul Balagha, holds many important points as steps by which his creation was done. In many aspects it portrays evolution except the point where Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) breathed into him the spirit. 

Commonly, people understand process of evolution as "change" and in the following verse Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is mentioning "change"

Surah Al-Insan, Verse 28:
نَّحْنُ خَلَقْنَاهُمْ وَشَدَدْنَا أَسْرَهُمْ وَإِذَا شِئْنَا بَدَّلْنَا أَمْثَالَهُمْ تَبْدِيلًا

We created them and made firm their make, and when We please We will bring in their place the likes of them by a change.
(English - Shakir)

At another place, a verse mentioning this:

Surah Nuh, Verse 17:
وَاللَّهُ أَنبَتَكُم مِّنَ الْأَرْضِ نَبَاتًا

And Allah has made you grow out of the earth as a growth:
(English - Shakir)
 

One thing is for sure, we are not the descendants of chimps as Darwinian evolution suggests or as pro Darwinian evolutionary biologists assert. 

Wassalam! 

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

10 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

The Quran suggests (in several places) consulting experts in the various fields of knowledge when inquiring or pondering over a particular subject of interest...try reading read Maurice Bucaille's BL'homme d'où vient-il? Les réponses de la science et des Écritures Saintes (Where does man come from? The responses of science and Scripture), Seghers, 1980 7ème éd.(ISBN 2221007816).

Bucaille, Maurice (1982). What is the origin of man? : the answers of science and the Holy Scriptures. Paris: Seghers. ISBN 9782221011010

I have not read that particular book. However the fact that they have found soft tissue in fossils such as dinosaurs and other fossils or that they find carbon 14 in those fossils shows they can not be millions of years old. Old earth is a scam.

[Northwest]

On 5/20/2025 at 6:00 PM, Guest The Grand Master said:

From Cosmos to the living things we see here, evolution is the process which has worked. Guided or unguided, that's a separate debate. 

We all know as Quran e Hakeem has mentioned, when Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) intended to do anything He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) says to it "kun" and it becomes. In the matter of creation of cosmos and whatever we see in there, it took 6 days or periods means it is not the result of "kun". Everything has taken its due course and time to go through those stages. Even the creation of Adam (عليه السلام) as mentioned in Nehjul Balagha, holds many important points as steps by which his creation was done. In many aspects it portrays evolution except the point where Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) breathed into him the spirit. 

^ This is something that has long puzzled me. Why would God accomplish creation in steps or stages, given His omnipotence? For instance, could He not have created man instantaneously? (That is, could He simply have “visualised” man the concept—that is, a fully-formed adult male human—and instantly called it into being, rather than go through a more cumbersome process?) A progression inadvertently opens the door to “evolutionary” models, however unjustifiable, and also seems more anthropomorphic than God’s nature would imply. God sounds all too much like a human architect here, rather than a transcendent Creator.

[Guest The Grand Master]

34 minutes ago, Northwest said:

Why would God accomplish creation in steps or stages, given His omnipotence?

Salam!

Excellent question! 

First of all dear brother, God has showed to us His omnipotence in that very system. Infact His intervention in the system of "Qadr" comes through another system which we know as "System of Amr". How many miracles have we seen which were performed by His "Ulil Amr" upon His command? 

This "Qadr" & "Amr" thing I am deducting from couple of verses from Chapter 54:

Surah Al-Qamar, Verse 49:
إِنَّا كُلَّ شَيْءٍ خَلَقْنَاهُ بِقَدَرٍ

Surely We have created everything according to a measure.
(English - Shakir)
 

Surah Al-Qamar, Verse 50:
وَمَا أَمْرُنَا إِلَّا وَاحِدَةٌ كَلَمْحٍ بِالْبَصَرِ

And Our command is but one, as the twinkling of an eye.
(English - Shakir)
 

So according to Quran, everything has been created according to a measure. This "measure" or "Qadr" itself demands that the creation must go through stages. It must be kept in mind while finding the answer of your excellent question that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is not only "al-Qadeer" but He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is also "al-Hakeem" & "al-Aleem" at the very same time. So none of His actions would be devoid of His Hikmah & His supreme knowledge which has enveloped everything. Interestingly this is what He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) wants us to know:

Surah At-Talaq, Verse 12:
اللَّهُ الَّذِي خَلَقَ سَبْعَ سَمَاوَاتٍ وَمِنَ الْأَرْضِ مِثْلَهُنَّ يَتَنَزَّلُ الْأَمْرُ بَيْنَهُنَّ لِتَعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ وَأَنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ أَحَاطَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عِلْمًا

Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like of them; the decree continues to descend among them, that you may know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah indeed encompasses all things in (His) knowledge.
(English - Shakir)

2 hours ago, Northwest said:

For instance, could He not have created man instantaneously? (That is, could He simply have “visualised” man the concept—that is, a fully-formed adult male human—and instantly called it into being, rather than go through a more cumbersome process?)

I hope you would now try to realize the consequences if that would be the system. Imagine, there would be no Adam and then no need of his offspring. There would be no relationship whatsoever. There would be no chain of cause & effect. Given all these implications, how could a man realize his origin? In what manner we could use our intellect to reach to Him (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)? How could an adult man taste & realize that love of his mother & father which he tastes from his childhood? How can he even realize the value of strength without even going through the stage of weakness? Much more could be said but lets end it here. I hope you would now reflect more on the divine wisdom in finding the answer of your questions. 

Wassalam!

[Northwest]

5 hours ago, Guest The Grand Master said:

I hope you would now try to realize the consequences if that would be the system. Imagine, there would be no Adam and then no need of his offspring. There would be no relationship whatsoever. There would be no chain of cause & effect. Given all these implications, how could a man realize his origin? In what manner we could use our intellect to reach to Him (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)? How could an adult man taste & realize that love of his mother & father which he tastes from his childhood? How can he even realize the value of strength without even going through the stage of weakness? Much more could be said but lets end it here. I hope you would now reflect more on the divine wisdom in finding the answer of your questions.

^ You misunderstood me. I was referring to the fact that, according to narrations, God formed man out of preexisting matter—i.e., clay—and then gradually moulded his features before animating him. My question is, Why didn’t God simply create a living man (and woman, for that matter) at all once? Doing so would seem both straightforward and commensurate with His power, while still allowing man to sire offspring. (After all, God still created a mature Adam, albeit in stages.) He is more than capable of saying, “Be!” and bringing a concept into being instantaneously. Wisdom, of course, might be hidden in all this, as you suggested, but the matter still perplexes me.

[Guest The Grand Master]

5 hours ago, Northwest said:

My question is, Why didn’t God simply create a living man (and woman, for that matter) at all once?

Salam!

Well excuse me first for not understand you correctly. 

Lets try to understand this matter with the help of few verses first;

Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 59:
إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَىٰ عِندَ اللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ آدَمَ خَلَقَهُ مِن تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ

Surely the likeness of Isa is with Allah as the likeness of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, Be, and he was.
(English - Shakir)

So according to the above verse Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) created Adam (عليه السلام) from "Turab". That "Turab" itself, in some form or other, is required for originating many things including the place where we live, the food we eat etc. Water is another important raw material which is used in creation of that "Turab" and therefore in the creation of Adam (عليه السلام). So apparently these are the very basic requirements which mankind would need after creation. 

As we can observe the "sunnah of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)" that He first appoint a place for everything, (a mother's womb for instance) then arrange his sustenance prior to his arrival (mother's breast for instance). Would that be a wise decision to create a thing first then start worrying about its needs?  

So if we reflect on your question, everything must then should have to be a result of "kun-fayakun". If that would be the sunnah of God, everything would come into being all of a sudden hence would violate the cause & effect principle and this takes us back to the questions I have raised in my previous post. 

Secondly, what could be our tool to figure out the "Omnipotence" in that case? Currently, our understanding of miracle is that it is either the breakdown of existing laws or either it is the display of hidden knowledge we are not aware with. 

Lastly, I would take the help of a famous hadith:

كنت كنزا مخفيا. فأردت أن أعرف فخلقت الخلق

(I was a hidden treasure. I wanted to be known, so I created creation.)

Apparently, among the divine purpose of creation is that creation should know the creator. To know means to realize all of the divine attributes for instance His omnipotence, His knowledge, His wisdom etc. Once mankind know the Creator, another divine purpose of creation would accomplish i.e., to worship Him for He (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is worthy to be worshipped. 

Wassalam! 

[Abu Nur]

On 4/25/2025 at 5:31 PM, Muhammadwasimkhan72 said:

Hello.

I want to discuss darwinism and it's possibilities or impossiblity.

These are all theories and beliefs on observed reality by using our reasoning but there are inward layers of truths about their nature that only people who seek Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will found it and Science can never describe them. And these truths can never be achieve by reasoning, rather they are achieved by the knowledge that Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) will set it upon the heart, because it is Him who breath the spirit and trough it He will inspire it.