Combining prayers.

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

I know that shia often combine prayers so that they pray only 3 times a day. I was curious if your mosques still do 5 prayer times or if it's standard to do 3 prayer times. Is it rare for shia not to combine prayers?

[mahmood8726]

Just so we are clear, the prayers aren't combined, you're still praying duhr then asr as seperate prayers, same with maghrib and isha, they're just done in the same period of time, so we are praying 5 times a day. Meaning there is no 8 rakat prayer for duhr and asr or 7 rakat prayer for maghrib isha. 

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

1 hour ago, mahmood8726 said:

Just so we are clear, the prayers aren't combined, you're still praying duhr then asr as seperate prayers, same with maghrib and isha, they're just done in the same period of time, so we are praying 5 times a day. Meaning there is no 8 rakat prayer for duhr and asr or 7 rakat prayer for maghrib isha. 

Yes that was my understanding. You pray both prayer just one after another.

[Borntowitnesstruth]

1 hour ago, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

Yes that was my understanding. You pray both prayer just one after another.

So, what is problem with that Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP) combined prayers without any cause or reason? If religion offers you ease, you can take that opportunity.

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

46 minutes ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

So, what is problem with that Prophet Muhammad (PBUHHP) combined prayers without any cause or reason? If religion offers you ease, you can take that opportunity.

I don't know why you assume I was being critical.

[Borntowitnesstruth]

3 hours ago, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

I don't know why you assume I was being critical.

I was asking if there is any problem with an Alim or Shia mosque which arrange for combined prayers because there people have busy schedule often that is why religion offers so much comfort.

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

8 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

I was asking if there is any problem with an Alim or Shia mosque which arrange for combined prayers because there people have busy schedule often that is why religion offers so much comfort.

My madhhab I think only allows for it under certain circumstances like traveling. I am not sure all of the reasons as I have never combined prayers and it hasn't been an issue for me. I was just curious about it's prevalence. Shia beliefs are kind of a curiosity to me. I like learning about them directly from shia sources.

[Borntowitnesstruth]

8 hours ago, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

My madhhab I think only allows for it under certain circumstances like traveling. I am not sure all of the reasons as I have never combined prayers and it hasn't been an issue for me. I was just curious about it's prevalence. Shia beliefs are kind of a curiosity to me. I like learning about them directly from shia sources.

Even in your madhab, there are narrations where Prophet (PBUHHP) prayed without any reason and it is said that it was done for convenience of Ummah. In our madhab, this convenience is granted so we avail of it.

For reference: https://al-islam.org/articles/laws-and-practices-why-do-shiah-combine-prayers

 

Edited April 26 by Borntowitnesstruth

[Abu_Zahra]

On 4/25/2025 at 4:35 AM, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

I know that shia often combine prayers so that they pray only 3 times a day. I was curious if your mosques still do 5 prayer times or if it's standard to do 3 prayer times. Is it rare for shia not to combine prayers?

It is an option not a requirement. Many mosques do it 3 times but some will do it in 5 times. 3 times seems to have become more common among the masses. 

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

1 hour ago, Abu_Zahra said:

It is an option not a requirement. Many mosques do it 3 times but some will do it in 5 times. 3 times seems to have become more common among the masses. 

Thank you for your answer. 

[Eddie Mecca]

@TheWayofTheSalaaf, salaam, BTW, I used to own the book Fiqh us-Sunnah hardcover in 5 or 6 volumes...a Mexican American Sunni Muslim brother gave it to me as a present...while browsing through the book, I came across a passage that dealt with proper prayer times...it mentioned that the Prophet (s) used to combine prayers while traveling, during inclement weather, during times of duress or war...then it said that he sometimes combined prayers or allowed his companions to combine prayers FOR NO REASON AT ALL...I was surprised to read that in there 

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

11 hours ago, Eddie Mecca said:

@TheWayofTheSalaaf, salaam, BTW, I used to own the book Fiqh us-Sunnah hardcover in 5 or 6 volumes...a Mexican American Sunni Muslim brother gave it to me as a present...while browsing through the book, I came across a passage that dealt with proper prayer times...it mentioned that the Prophet (s) used to combine prayers while traveling, during inclement weather, during times of duress or war...then it said that he sometimes combined prayers or allowed his companions to combine prayers FOR NO REASON AT ALL...I was surprised to read that in there 

I feel the need to post this so everyone knows where I am coming from. I think because I am a salafi sunni that people assum I am posting in a somewhat hostile manner or combative manner. When I ask a question I am not asking shia to justify their beliefs. I am not here to debate or convert shia. I am just genuinely curious. I am not interest in converting to shia islam just understanding what shia do. Unlike many salafi I do not see the shia as kufaar. There are things I disagree with but I don't hate shia or think of them as insincere. I think many Muslims will be surprised when they enter jannah and see how many shia and sunni will be there. So don't feel like you have to justify your beliefs to me. I was just genuinely curious how prevelant how common it was to combine prayers. In all honesty I struggle to do my 5 daily prayers and would not criticize shia who combine their prayers but still pray 5 times a day. If they combine their prayers they are still doing better than me. I have no room to criticize.

[Eddie Mecca]

@TheWayofTheSalaaf,...I didn't take it as an attack of any kind...nor was my attention to defend our position by citing evidence from your books...I simply thought it was an interesting tidbit and decided to share it as such...just like it's an interesting tidbit in Kitab al Irshad that mentions how to make wudu and mentions doing masaha on the ears like the Hanafis do...but none of us modern-day Twelvers wipe or massage or anoint the ears like the Imam says to do

Edited April 26 by Eddie Mecca

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

59 minutes ago, Eddie Mecca said:

@TheWayofTheSalaaf,...I didn't take it as an attack of any kind...nor was my attention to defend our position by citing evidence from your books...I simply thought it was an interesting tidbit and decided to share it as such...just like it's an interesting tidbit in Kitab al Irshad that mentions how to make wudu and mentions doing masaha on the ears like the Hanafis do...but none of us modern-day Twelvers wipe or massage or anoint the ears like the Imam says to do

Ok cool. I appreciate that. Sometimes being a salafi can come with baggage.

[mahmood8726]

6 hours ago, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

I feel the need to post this so everyone knows where I am coming from. I think because I am a salafi sunni that people assum I am posting in a somewhat hostile manner or combative manner. When I ask a question I am not asking shia to justify their beliefs. I am not here to debate or convert shia. I am just genuinely curious. I am not interest in converting to shia islam just understanding what shia do. Unlike many salafi I do not see the shia as kufaar. There are things I disagree with but I don't hate shia or think of them as insincere. I think many Muslims will be surprised when they enter jannah and see how many shia and sunni will be there. So don't feel like you have to justify your beliefs to me. I was just genuinely curious how prevelant how common it was to combine prayers. In all honesty I struggle to do my 5 daily prayers and would not criticize shia who combine their prayers but still pray 5 times a day. If they combine their prayers they are still doing better than me. I have no room to criticize.

Most knowledgable salafis will even refuse to call shias kuffar and same with shias towards salafis as salafi =×= nasibi. 

 

But don't worry, many of us aren't taking your question as an attack. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 4/25/2025 at 11:03 PM, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

I was just curious about it's prevalence. Shia beliefs are kind of a curiosity to me. I like learning about them directly from shia sources.

Salam this article is about encouraging children to pray which new converts in similar fashion  are likewise children too .

Let's not be strict about their way of praying.

Islamic Lifestyle
"How can we encourage our children to pray?"
To attract children to prayer, being strict in their way of praying, especially at a young age, has the opposite effect and causes them to stay away. Imam Zain al-Abidin (عليه السلام) also encouraged his children to pray by taking it easy, because consistency improves the quality of prayer over time.

"How can we encourage our children to pray?"

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According to the report of Rahyaftagan (a comprehensive database of missionaries and new Muslims); Abolfazl Sajidi, an expert in theology, has discussed methods of encouraging the new generation to pray in a series of various sessions.

"How can we encourage our children to pray?"

One effective solution, especially during childhood and before reaching puberty, is to not be strict with their way of praying.

Sometimes parents, or older brothers and sisters, put a child in a kind of critical siege when he prays.

One of them says: “Why did you pray so short?” Another asks: “Why didn’t you stand properly when bowing?” Each of them criticizes the child’s way of praying in some way.

Such approaches gradually cause the child to develop a negative feeling towards prayer and, instead of becoming interested in it, to avoid it.

During the time of Imam Zayn al-Abidin (peace be upon him), prayers were offered five times and at separate times.

It is also recommended that, if possible, prayers be offered at five times; Of course, if it is a congregational prayer, it is more recommended, but if it is done individually, it is still better to pray five times a day.

However, Imam Zain al-Abidin ((عليه السلام).) himself prayed five times a day, but he advised his children to pray Maghrib and Isha prayers together, as well as Zuhr and Asr prayers together.

How can we not discourage our children from praying?

When the Imam was asked why he gave such advice to his children, he said: “This method is better than children sleeping and not praying!”

Therefore, Imam Zain al-Abidin ((عليه السلام).) encouraged and attracted children to pray by making it easy and lenient in performing prayers.

Therefore, we should also avoid being strict in the way children pray, especially at a young age, and not pressure or harass them.

If the quality of their prayers is weak at first, there is no need to worry, because over time and with persistence, Allah willing, their prayers will strengthen.

https://rahyafteha.ir/137359/چگونه-میتوانیم-فرزندان-خود-را-به-نم/