Pakistan-India clashes 2025

[Guest Shia]

Salam,

This press conference was really enlightening on this war:

 

[Northwest]

37 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

Neither is anyone from what I am aware confirming indias claims that pakistans government is behind it, except maybe countries like israel. It's been 2 weeks, no one will say anything yet, except to call for deescalation.

@mahmood8726 Technically this is true, but as mentioned, neither have they accepted Pakistan’s “false-flag” explanation. Even though I am critical of Pakistan, in this case I think the evidence suggests a third party or maybe “rogue” Pakistani military/intelligence. If the latter, then the individuals might have been paid off by foreign actors, as I mentioned, though so many details are yet to be even explored, much less determined. My criticism of Pakistan is based on history and the intensity of sectarian violence in Pakistan vs. India. (As you yourself mentioned, the numerous Takfiri extremists in Pakistan are on another level vs. Hindu fascists.)

37 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

Not necessarly, if they want the situation to deescalate, this is the same argument you made on 9/11 if I remember, that surely iran would have said it's a false flag, but things are never this simple.

Holding back information, given the stakes, arguably does more to worsen the crisis than doing otherwise. As of now diplomacy has been no more effective than it has in resolving India–Pakistan tensions since partition. Neither side feels deterred and is evidently heading to war, one way or another. At any rate, Pakistan probably feels confident that Chinese backing can compensate for a pro-India U.S./Israel/GCC.

37 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

That's not normal at all, these imvestigations don't take a few hours or a few days, especially from unreliable nations like pakistan and india who need their claims verified and scrutinized extensivley. Obviously some unreliable outlets like india today will say this. What this shows here is premeditation to start a war, these millitary preparations take months to prepare.

Pakistan only started mobilising its land-based armed forces today, and India is probably just starting to do so. Also, given technological advances, I suspect that militaries are somewhat more flexible these days, requiring less time to prepare.

37 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

Because takfiris in pakistan are brainless apes. Indian "cow lynch mobs" are tamer than their pakistani counterpart, they will instead beat on random muslims they suspect of eating cow meat or they wrongfully accuse of doing something to some indian girl.

I don't think that I denied pakistan having terrorist attacks originate from them, as a matter of fact, I even listed worse terrorist attacks where india did nothing afterwards. Whats unprecendented is indias behaviour, which is true, this is the first time india behaves like this.

^ You just illustrated my point: a) that India’s response to decades of cross-border terrorism—much of it historically backed by Pakistani state elements (i.e., the ISI’s role in Mumbai)—has been comparatively reactive and that b) Takfiri terrorism is both more virulent and widespread in Pakistan than its Hindu equivalent is in India. When history is taken into account, I stand by my statements placing the weight of blame on Pakistan. (I will concede, however, that perhaps India is causing more civilian casualties than I thought, though as you said, the truth on both sides is opaque, so neither of us can really determine whether civilian casualties were the result of policy, that is, intent.)

37 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

I am not, you even told me "There is also no real equivalence between Pakistan and India" in response to me saying that india and pakistan are the same here, if I was pro pakistani you would see a long list of brainless nonsense comming out from me.

By “no real equivalence” I was referring to the degree and extent of sectarian terrorism on both sides, as well as the history of Pakistani terrorist aggression vs. its own citizens and India’s.

@Ashvazdanghe On Hamas I was referring to the fact that the organisation has only listed total casualties, without breaking down the totals to distinguish between noncombatants and fighters. Some anti-Zionists like to think that Israel exclusively targets civilians or nearly so (the mirror image of Zionists who view all Gaza denizens as Hamas “terrorists”). My point is, one can be anti-Zionist while looking critically at Hamas‘ methodology, while also acknowledging that mistaken identity is inevitable in a situation that involves irregular warfare, in addition to the role of Zionist militarism/extremism.

Edited May 10 by Northwest

[mahmood8726]

35 minutes ago, mahmood8726 said:

After calling out pakistan for slaugthering innocents and their hypocrisy? I don't think so. But I have to admit, you do give india a lot of excuses despite india being known to be full of it and only caring about their PR, just like pakistan. I might be wrong here though.

Neither is anyone from what I am aware confirming indias claims that pakistans government is behind it(i might be wrong, maybe they meant something else), except maybe countries like israel or other allies, but even they are saying "we support india in its fight against terrorism", I don't see an outright confirmation. It's been 2 weeks, most will call for deescalation and not say much.

Not necessarly, if they want the situation to deescalate, this is the same argument you made on 9/11 if I remember, that surely iran would have said it's a false flag, but things are never this simple.

 

And just to be clear, I am not confirming pakistans claims either, I don't know what really happened and I don't trust india or pakistan here, for all I know a third party could be involved, which you claimed initially and I tend to lean towards your theory, but india and pakistan want to find any excuse to kill eachother, so there we are. 

 

India was just stupid in starting this war and bombing pakistan, even if it's to "hit terrorist infrastructure", bombing another country you don't rule based on some flimsy investigation is about the dumbest thing to do. 

That's not normal at all, these imvestigations don't take a few hours or a few days, especially from unreliable nations like pakistan and india who need their claims verified and scrutinized extensivley. Obviously some unreliable outlets like india today will say this. What this shows here is premeditation to start a war, these millitary preparations take months to prepare. 

 

This was just a stupid move from india

This is just wrong at this point, after a few days now there is clear evidence both sides are targetting civilian infrastructure and civilians without any consideration. India yesterday even bombed a plaza with drones. With all due respect, this is an assumption you're making that they are rogue or making mistakes. I get it that you hate takfirism just like we all do here, but india isn't being considerate on civilians, they're obsessed with their PR like pakistan and will claim the wildest things to appease it's supporters and the fact they indiscriminently bomb civilian centers(not just terrorists) or mosques or shopping centers, should be proof of this.

Because takfiris in pakistan are brainless apes. Indian "cow lynch mobs" are tamer than their pakistani counterpart, they will instead beat on random muslims they suspect of eating cow meat or they wrongfully accuse of doing something to some indian girl.

I don't think that I denied pakistan having terrorist attacks originate from them, as a matter of fact, I even listed worse terrorist attacks where india did nothing afterwards. Whats unprecendented is indias behaviour, which is true, this is the first time india behaves like this. 

I am not, you even told me "There is also no real equivalence between Pakistan and India" in response to me saying that india and pakistan are the same here, if I was pro pakistani you would see a long list of brainless nonsense comming out from me.

 

Pakistan is obviously being incredibly stupid by not wanting to deescalate now and calling this a war and india which started this whole mess is left confused and shocked, not realising the gravity and stupidity of what their action a few days ago, just caused. India needs to realise theyre in a war now and they opened pandoras box a few days ago. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On an unrelated note:

The amount of lies and misinformation Ive seen comming from indian and pakistani channels is incredible, I had to leave certain telegram channels to not be bombarded with their nonsense, from india using Ai videos to pakistan using Arma3 videos. Theyre more obssed about how many jets they downed, rather than the civilians theyre killing. I really advise not trusting indian or pakistani sources on anything here, they're known to put PR before facts. 

@Northwest i saw you reacted, but I just finished editing my comment, I did change some things I saw I might have been wrong about. 

[mahmood8726]

32 minutes ago, Northwest said:

@mahmood8726 Technically this is true, but as mentioned, neither have they accepted Pakistan’s “false-flag” explanation. Even though I am critical of Pakistan, in this case I think the evidence suggests a third party or maybe “rogue” Pakistani military/intelligence. If the latter, then the individuals might have been paid off by foreign actors, as I mentioned, though so many details are yet to be even explored, much less determined. My criticism of Pakistan is based on history and the intensity of sectarian violence in Pakistan vs. India. (As you yourself mentioned, the numerous Takfiri extremists in Pakistan are on another level vs. Hindu fascists.)

Holding back information, given the stakes, arguably does more to worsen the crisis than doing otherwise. As of now diplomacy has been no more effective than it has in resolving India–Pakistan tensions since partition. Neither side feels deterred and is evidently heading to war, one way or another. At any rate, Pakistan probably feels confident that Chinese backing can compensate for a pro-India U.S./Israel/GCC.

To be fair i dont think any country has any clue to what even happened, except z third party that might have been involved, it's simply too early. But your theory of a third party is not implausible, it seems the mosy plausible here.

32 minutes ago, Northwest said:

Pakistan only started mobilising its armed forces today, and India is probably just starting to do so. Also, given technological advances, I suspect that militaries are somewhat more flexible these days, requiring less time to prepare.

Well, take HTS for example, they took months to train before launching their massive assault, or russia, or israel before invading or even launching massive aireal campaign against gaza and lebanon. But if this point is false, then it lends more credence to the other two points which is that its a false flag by a third party or pakistan did it or some terror org in pakistan did it. 

32 minutes ago, Northwest said:

^ You just illustrated my point: a) that India’s response to decades of cross-border terrorism—much of it historically backed by Pakistani state elements (i.e., the ISI’s role in Mumbai)—has been comparatively reactive and that b) Takfiri terrorism is both more virulent and widespread in Pakistan than its Hindu equivalent is in India. When history is taken into account, I stand by my statements placing the weight of blame on Pakistan. (I will concede, however, that perhaps India is causing more civilian casualties than I thought, though as you said, the truth on both sides is opaque, so neither of us can really determine whether civilian casualties were the result of policy, that is, intent.)

I get where you're comming from, but keep in mind that india also likes to heavily exagerate in their accusations, this is why I have trust issues with both sides.

32 minutes ago, Northwest said:

@Ashvazdanghe On Hamas I was referring to the fact that the organisation has only listed total casualties, without breaking down the totals to distinguish between noncombatants and fighters. Some anti-Zionists like to think that Israel exclusively targets civilians or nearly so (the mirror image of Zionists who view all Gaza denizens as Hamas “terrorists”). My point is, one can be anti-Zionist while looking critically at Hamas‘ methodology, while also acknowledging that mistaken identity is inevitable in a situation that involves irregular warfare, in addition to the role of Zionist militarism/extremism.

sorry if I am interjecting, we can be critical of hamas, but the numbers that hamas gave which shows that most have been women and children and elderly who don't really serve in hamas millitary wing, which leaves the men who are also mostly not millitary but non combatants. Their sources have pretty much been confirmed to be accurate by even their ennemies like israels intelligence services who use them. Hamas numbers are even more reliable than the numbers of the holocaust and I am not even exaggerating, the standards are litterally higher, standards which israeli trolls have mocked ironically.

 

Hamas millitary wing has 30-40k members, hamas members have been careful to not get spotted and employed guerilla tactics of hit and run, making them hard to kill. 

 

Point is, out of tye 60k-100k killed its likley you have 5k-15k hamas members. 

 

Ill give my 2 cents as a lebanese guy, pretty much most of the buildings they bombed, were civilian and had no millitant in them or ammo or anything like this, like india and pakistan, israel is heavily obssessed with PR and their officials lie like they breath, thats why whilst being critical of hamas is good, we should also place an incredible burden of proof on israeli tv/officials for being such liars

Edited May 10 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

I don't even know what to say here.

 

 

Edit: pakistan now says they agreed to a ceasefire.

 

Edit 2: india just confirmed the ceasefire.

Edited May 10 by mahmood8726

[Activate your inner truth]

 

 

 

 

[mahmood8726]

7 minutes ago, Activate your inner truth said:

 

 

 

 

The war apparently has stopped, a ceasefire seems to have been brokered suddenly out of nowhere.

 

Not sure if irans mediation did it and america took credit or america told both nations to cut this nonsense up for some personal reasons?

[mahmood8726]

 

I hope this is not hinting at another stupid escalation with that last paragraph, the investigation needs to be done properly this time and with independent states. 

[Activate your inner truth]

2 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

The war apparently has stopped, a ceasefire seems to have been brokered suddenly out of nowhere.

 

Not sure if irans mediation did it and america took credit or america told both nations to cut this nonsense up for some personal reasons?

I just read they had the ceasefire. Maybe there was too much Geo political and economic interests at risk for other countries too and they stepped in behind the scenes. 

 

Whatever it was, let's pray it stays that way. 

[Activate your inner truth]

2 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

The war apparently has stopped, a ceasefire seems to have been brokered suddenly out of nowhere.

 

Not sure if irans mediation did it and america took credit or america told both nations to cut this nonsense up for some personal reasons?

I just read they had the ceasefire. Maybe there was too much Geo political and economic interests at risk for other countries too and they stepped in behind the scenes. 

 

Whatever it was, let's pray it stays that way. 

Edited May 10 by Activate your inner truth
Admin i posted the comment twice by mistake, is it ok to delete this one? Thank you.

[mahmood8726]

1 hour ago, Activate your inner truth said:

I just read they had the ceasefire. Maybe there was too much Geo political and economic interests at risk for other countries too and they stepped in behind the scenes. 

 

Whatever it was, let's pray it stays that way. 

Pakistan violated it apparently.

 

India says they violated it and pakistan isn't taking accountability for the strikes on indian territory.

 

Edit: both sides seem to be trading accusations that one side started it and I honestly don't even know which side did it. 

 

The war is back and they're both launching UAV drones at eachother. 

 

Edit2: most likley pakistan violated the ceasefire like a bunch of morons and this war is back again.

Edited May 10 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

1 hour ago, mahmood8726 said:

Pakistan violated it apparently.

 

India says they violated it and pakistan isn't taking accountability for the strikes on indian territory.

 

Edit: both sides seem to be trading accusations that one side started it and I honestly don't even know which side did it. 

 

The war is back and they're both launching UAV drones at eachother. 

 

Edit2: most likley pakistan violated the ceasefire like a bunch of morons and this war is back again.

Apparently pakistan damaged one of indias most revered temples Vaishno Devi, according to indian media atleast. 

 

My question is, what kind of islam allows attacking places of worship and breaking of ceasefires for no apparent good reason? Shame on pakistan for this. 

[Activate your inner truth]

11 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

Pakistan violated it apparently.

 

India says they violated it and pakistan isn't taking accountability for the strikes on indian territory.

 

Edit: both sides seem to be trading accusations that one side started it and I honestly don't even know which side did it. 

 

The war is back and they're both launching UAV drones at eachother. 

 

Edit2: most likley pakistan violated the ceasefire like a bunch of morons and this war is back again.

Let's see what happens, God knows who who is lying or telling the truth. 

I'm going to wait for  more developments on the temple. 

 

Mahmood8726, somehow, i don't think those establishments are very much aligned with Islamic values. 

[Marbles]

This sums up pretty well 

 

 

[Vinni]

12 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi it has been planed by Britain which it has planted seeds of enmity by creating "India" and "Pakistan" based on a well calculated plan "divide and conquer"procedure for keeping nearly eternal war in these regions which all of so called eight  independence plans have been created by Britain based on divide and conquer  which even success of one of plans will cause more chaos & divide in thi region;  which for Example no4. both of so called Balochistan region in Pakistan   & Afghanistan  have been parts of Iran which have been conquered so then separated from Iran by colonial  Britain ; which the Balochistan region exists in both of Iran & Pakistan which whole of it belonged to Iran which a part of it has been separated from Iran by colonial Britain   in order to keep instability & enmity between both of Iran & Pakistan which in similar fashion Afghanistan has been separated from Iran  in order to Iran won't has access to India in similar fashion of era of Nader Shah ; which similar plan is following by zionist Israel in eastern borders of Iran about Kurdistan region  ; in similar fashion of separation of Balochistan & afghanistan from Iran for stopping access of Iran to occupied lands of Palestine & treating of Zionist Israel which creating such independent states in both of east & west of Iran is just in favour of zionist Israel based on old procedure of colonial Britain . 

Hold on, I don't get this at all, no offense. Can you please further break it down?

[Vinni]

Also, I don't think that it's a good idea for China to intervene when India literally has the U.S AND Russia as their allies. It's going to escalate into another world war.

[Guest Itachi]

On 5/4/2025 at 12:51 AM, Northwest said:

Unfortunately, Pakistan is very much to blame as well, for its longtime support of Wahhabi–Salafi terrorism vs. its neighbours, including Iran. If war comes I think India could easily destroy Pakistan, given U.S./GCC backing, but China would likely intervene vs. India.

You mean the same Iran that is actively trying to break Pakistan apart by supporting separatist groups? In what world is India going to "destroy Pakistan" ? I think you are severely underestimating what Pakistan means for the Sunni world and China. GCC countries are small mosquitos compared to powers such as Turkey and China. It's a mutually assured destruction. Also you can't blame a country for what it did in the past. Right now, Pakistan can't afford any misadventures. It's doing it's best to combat Indian sponsored terrorism in Balochistan as well as trying to survive on a weak economy. Exactly what benefit does Pakistan get from staging the Kashmiri incident? In a world where procuring firearms is as easy as breathing, any tom, dick and harry could've planned that event out. Even people who are on the spectrum can stage an event like that which didn't involve any sophisticated weaponry like C4. Saying that Pakistan is to blame is like saying Let's throw missiles at Germany for it's Holocaust past. 

On 5/7/2025 at 5:58 PM, Sirius_Bright said:

 

Also, Pakistan needs to understand that they should stop breeding terrorists on their soil or this will keep repeating. Such things seriously hampers nation's progress and its citizen's well being. 

Classic Hinduvta talking point. For what purpose did India send kulbhushan jadhav to Pakistan? Was it for the purpose of selling roses and helping orphans in Balochistan? Why is India sponsoring and backing separatist groups like the BLA who recently launched a terrorist attack on a train which killed 25 pakistanis? Why are they supporting an aim which will result in Pakistan losing 300k km worth of territory? Is that not terrorism? Is a cowardly attack at night with no warning against civilian sites not terrorism? Isn't unleashing a barrage of drones with no provocation on Cricket stadiums an act of terrorism as well as blowing up a mosque? This whole victim card routine is getting really stale, my friend. Your side is just as filthy as the Pakistani one when it comes to "terrorism". Infact, the draconian treatment that the indian army unleashes upon Kashmir everyday where people appear and disappear at the will of army personnel while keeping them in a zone of state surveillance  has bred more terrorists than Pakistan could ever produce on it's own. It's very laughable that Indian Muslims have bought into the whole "Us Good, Them Bad" routine that the govt and media has conditioned the rest of the country to follow while ignoring the raw reality of themselves being chickens in the slaughterhouse.

On 5/7/2025 at 11:21 PM, Sirius_Bright said:

That's called as collateral damage which is very sad. Do not expect Pakistani government to come forward and announce how many 'terrorists' were killed. Women and children deaths are reported most of the time to gather sympathy. 

It's actually not very sad. In fact, the bloodthirsty Indian masses on Twitter and Reddit were reposting pictures of innocent children who died with the slogan "Happy Diwali". Indian News anchors were doing dances while cheering on the Indian Army to burn Pakistan to the ground. This is the level of intelligence and empathy that the Indian citizenry is now left with thanks to the brainwashing they receive on a daily basis.

On 5/8/2025 at 8:03 AM, mahmood8726 said:

So far both sides have been disgusting, shame on both countries, shame on india for starting this senless war by blaming pakistan imediatley without doing a proper investigation, shame on india for bombing mosques and killing innocents. Shame on pakistan for slaugthering innocents in india, I just saw a disgusting video of a child with its head open because of the pakistani shelling. 

How has Pakistan been disgusting and shameful in your humble opinion? Did Pakistan launch a surprise attack on Indian soil and killed it's citizens? Did Pakistan blow up Hindu temples? At the time that you posted this comment, Pakistan did not even counter attack and it's masses were actually criticizing the army for "doing nothing". So exactly what video did you see? Hinduvta misinformation: AI videos, old war footage edited and videos from other wars in other countries which were edited. It's usually easy to spot such things but when minds are closed, eyes become blind.

20 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

After calling out pakistan for slaugthering innocents and their hypocrisy?

Because takfiris in pakistan are brainless apes. Indian "cow lynch mobs" are tamer than their pakistani counterpart, they will instead beat on random muslims they suspect of eating cow meat or they wrongfully accuse of doing something to some indian girl.

I am not, you even told me "There is also no real equivalence between Pakistan and India" in response to me saying that india and pakistan are the same here, if I was pro pakistani you would see a long list of brainless nonsense comming out from me.

 

Pakistan is obviously being incredibly stupid by not wanting to deescalate now and calling this a war and india which started this whole mess is left confused and shocked, not realising the gravity and stupidity of what their action a few days ago, just caused. India needs to realise theyre in a war now and they opened pandoras box a few days ago. 

 

What slaughter? What hypocrisy? How is a sovereign nation being stupid by launching a military offensive in response to one while following international decorum of only attacking military sites as well as calling beforehand? Though I can see the thought process behind your post where your blind hatred for Pakistan is causing you to make irrational statements where even Hindu extremists to you are more pleasant than Pakistani ones and any person trying to post the Pakistani perspective is seen as "brainless".

As for the "indian media" claims that some of the posts contain. Please keep in mind that the same Indian Media has claimed the following events have taken place:

1. Destruction of Karachi and it's ports.

2. Destruction of twenty five major cities in Pakistan including Lahore and Islamabad.

3. Pakistan losing one billion dollar a day due to this war.

4. The residence of the Prime Minister of Pakistan being attacked and the PM fleeing to a bunker.

5. The PM and top Army personnel have either been killed or fled Pakistan.

6. Indian ground soldiers entering and razing Pakistan to the ground.

7. The destruction of the Pakistani air fleet and the capture of two pilots.

Lying for Pagans is as easy as breathing. They are the lowest of God's creation for a reason.

This week, India humiliated itself by thinking they can become the Israel of South Asia where they can take any minor or major incident that happens and use it as a pretext to launch war against it's neighbor but it failed to realize that Pakistan is not Gaza. It thought having fancy Israeli weaponry and toys made them it's equivalent in Asia but reality smacked them hard against it's cheek. Giving a camera to a chimp does not make the chimp a photographer. Similarly, having a rafale jet and high end drones does not make India on the same level of the Zionists, they are actually a class on their own.

Though one thing that I found interesting this week is that the salafi's of Saudi Arabia seemed genuinely more concerned with brokering a truce between Pakistan and India since they have cordial relations with the both of them and did not want them to go to war whereas the so called defenders and champions of human rights aka Iran were too busy playing Amr Ibn Aas between India and Pakistan with them secretly favoring India just as Amr favored Muwaiya.

[mahmood8726]

5 hours ago, Guest Itachi said:

How has Pakistan been disgusting and shameful in your humble opinion? Did Pakistan launch a surprise attack on Indian soil and killed it's citizens? Did Pakistan blow up Hindu temples? At the time that you posted this comment, Pakistan did not even counter attack and it's masses were actually criticizing the army for "doing nothing".

I said how, by killing civilians and they did attack india at the time, youre such a bad liar it's incredible, either that or youre too caught up in your own propaganda, it's pathetic, I don't care if some pakistanis on the internet whined that their army "did nothing". And yes pakistan did attack civilian infrastructure in india, cry me a river if you can't accept the reality that pakistan isn't as infallible as you think it is. Even I don't act this delusional towards the groups I support.

5 hours ago, Guest Itachi said:

So exactly what video did you see? Hinduvta misinformation: AI videos, old war footage edited and videos from other wars in other countries which were edited. It's usually easy to spot such things but when minds are closed, eyes become blind.

What an absolute dumb thing to say, even a child isn't this delusional, get over yourself instead of leaving these stupid and childish arguments, you see some examples of indians doing Ai nonsense and you start making these stupid arguments.  

5 hours ago, Guest Itachi said:

What slaughter?

The killing of innocent civilians.

5 hours ago, Guest Itachi said:

What hypocrisy?

By pretending to give a damn about shia muslims when it suits them and then allowing the shias to be treated like less than garbage for decades, one notable example being paranchinar, again cry me a river if you can't accept these facts.

5 hours ago, Guest Itachi said:

 

How is a sovereign nation being stupid by launching a military offensive in response to one while following international decorum of only attacking military sites as well as calling beforehand? Though I can see the thought process behind your post where your blind hatred for Pakistan is causing you to make irrational statements where even Hindu extremists to you are more pleasant than Pakistani ones and any person trying to post the Pakistani perspective is seen as "brainless".

As for the "indian media" claims that some of the posts contain. Please keep in mind that the same Indian Media has claimed the following events have taken place:

1. Destruction of Karachi and it's ports.

2. Destruction of twenty five major cities in Pakistan including Lahore and Islamabad.

3. Pakistan losing one billion dollar a day due to this war.

4. The residence of the Prime Minister of Pakistan being attacked and the PM fleeing to a bunker.

5. The PM and top Army personnel have either been killed or fled Pakistan.

6. Indian ground soldiers entering and razing Pakistan to the ground.

7. The destruction of the Pakistani air fleet and the capture of two pilots.

Lying for Pagans is as easy as breathing. They are the lowest of God's creation for a reason.

Ok?? I litterally said a million times both india and pakistan are unreliable as hell and I have trust issues with them, the only reason I'm even quoting pakistani or indian sources here is because i'm working with s*** and I have to present something whilst asking people to be cautious of these unreliable sources. 

 

"whereas the so called defenders and champions of human rights aka Iran were too busy playing Amr Ibn Aas between India and Pakistan with them secretly favoring India just as Amr favored Muwaiya."

 

what a stupid thing to say, iran litterally called out india for starting this war you fool and tried mediating between two trigger happy nations that are caught up in their nationalism like it's drugs.

 

 

 

This is why blind nationalism to a nation like pakistan is cancerous, it turns off your brain and leads you to ranting like a child because someone said something against your clearly infallible state, get your s*** together my guy, what an embarrasment, I swear you guys are even worse than turkish and american people in your nationalism, despite both india and pakistan having worse standards of living than turkey or america, it's incredible. 

 

Stop wating my time with this nonsense and don't quote me ever again next time, this was a huge loss of braincells. 

Edited May 11 by mahmood8726

[mahmood8726]

19 hours ago, Activate your inner truth said:

Let's see what happens, God knows who who is lying or telling the truth. 

I'm going to wait for  more developments on the temple. 

 

Mahmood8726, somehow, i don't think those establishments are very much aligned with Islamic values. 

One question I'm curious about is if india making the water treaty void, is the reason why pakistan violated the ceasefire, because it's technically a declaration of war? That's one thing I didn't pay attention to. 

 

Now it seems today india partially opened the water dam. 

Video below:

https://t.me/RezistanceTrench1/20567

India opened a number of the gates of the Baglihar dam on the Chenab River ans water began to flow towards Pakistan.

 

 

 

 

 

It seems india capitulated to pakistan fast, they did get embarrased millitarly in this war with the jets falling and now they accepted their terms. It's like I said, india did not expect this war to escalate after having opened pandoras box, so they panicked and probably called america to tell their puppet pakistan to calm down. 

 

There is a good summary of one of these embarrasing events for india:

https://english.iswnews.com/37842/how-did-the-pakistani-military-bring-down-five-indian-fighter-jets/

 

Edited May 11 by mahmood8726

[Vinni]

On 5/7/2025 at 5:58 AM, Sirius_Bright said:

Also, Pakistan needs to understand that they should stop breeding terrorists on their soil or this will keep repeating. Such things seriously hampers nation's progress and its citizen's well being. 

Honestly, I feel like Pakistan has been put on a pedestal in this war. They are anything BUT innocent in this situation. Pakistan has a long history of supporting terrorism. Moreover, their "government" is similar to Myanmar's military regime. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 5/11/2025 at 2:13 AM, Vinni said:

Hold on, I don't get this at all, no offense. Can you please further break it down?

Hi It's a too complicated issue which includes a too complicated history & geopolitics which generally after intervention of colonial Britain it has been based on making a strong shield around India by isolation of it from Iran & Russia  because Iran has had historical claims since Achaemenid era in India also it has had strong bound with muslims of India since Safavid era which also  the Russia  since Tzarian/Tsarian era has been seeking reaching to warm waters  through both of Iran & India which it has been a great threat for colonial Britain interests in India so therefore it has separated Afghanistan from Iran during Qajar era   in order to block any access from Iran to India also it has separated a part of Baluchistan from Iran in  similar fashion in order to suppress resistance of Baluchi people of Iran against invasion of the colonial Britain also block access of Iran to both of Pakistan & India as hitting two birds with one stone which also it has initiated policy of making too much so called independent states based on ethnicity & religion  in order to keep these so called independent states in everlasting wars in their vague borders which it could keep India forever dependant to it due to ever lasting clashes with Pakistan & other separatist movements also keeps other new formed  small countries dependant to itself due to creating everlasting clashes between  them by   initiating project of so calle independent states which this policy has been inherited by Zionists Israel for Balkanization of Iran into multiple too small countries specially in east & west of Iran which will be in everlasting battle with each other or even allies of zionist Israel  for securing zionist Israel against it's greatest threat which is Iran also keeping India as it's ally also keeping Pakistan as hidden ally for spreading radical Wahabism through investing petrodollars of KSA in order to absorb new countries in north east & west of Iran likewise Tajikistan & Azerbaijan & etc which have been parts of Iran until separation by brutal force during   Qajar era;   in order to block access of Iran to these countries which still have Persian/Farsi language heritage & Islam which can makes these countries allies of Iran through replacing radical Wahabism & spreading neo Ottoman propaganda about introducing & replacing   Turkish language as their heritage instead of Persian/Farsi language in order to isolate Iran from any side so then Balkanization of Iran also keeping Pakistan& India  in zionist  basket in favour of zionist Israel .

[AbdusSibtayn]

20 hours ago, mahmood8726 said:

I said how, by killing civilians and they did attack india at the time, youre such a bad liar it's incredible, either that or youre too caught up in your own propaganda, it's pathetic, I don't care if some pakistanis on the internet whined that their army "did nothing". And yes pakistan did attack civilian infrastructure in india, cry me a river if you can't accept the reality that pakistan isn't as infallible as you think it is. Even I don't act this delusional towards the groups I support.

What an absolute dumb thing to say, even a child isn't this delusional, get over yourself instead of leaving these stupid and childish arguments, you see some examples of indians doing Ai nonsense and you start making these stupid arguments.  

The killing of innocent civilians.

By pretending to give a damn about shia muslims when it suits them and then allowing the shias to be treated like less than garbage for decades, one notable example being paranchinar, again cry me a river if you can't accept these facts.

Ok?? I litterally said a million times both india and pakistan are unreliable as hell and I have trust issues with them, the only reason I'm even quoting pakistani or indian sources here is because i'm working with s*** and I have to present something whilst asking people to be cautious of these unreliable sources. 

 

"whereas the so called defenders and champions of human rights aka Iran were too busy playing Amr Ibn Aas between India and Pakistan with them secretly favoring India just as Amr favored Muwaiya."

 

what a stupid thing to say, iran litterally called out india for starting this war you fool and tried mediating between two trigger happy nations that are caught up in their nationalism like it's drugs.

 

 

 

This is why blind nationalism to a nation like pakistan is cancerous, it turns off your brain and leads you to ranting like a child because someone said something against your clearly infallible state, get your s*** together my guy, what an embarrasment, I swear you guys are even worse than turkish and american people in your nationalism, despite both india and pakistan having worse standards of living than turkey or america, it's incredible. 

 

Stop wating my time with this nonsense and don't quote me ever again next time, this was a huge loss of braincells. 

@mahmood8726 @Activate your inner truth

There are sub-human primates on both sides of the divide flinging s*** at each other; don't bother engaging with rage-bait posted by trolls. 

Idolatry of the nation-state is the new age shirk; I have maintained this before and I'll say this again and again. 

Let's stay skeptical and critical about everything we hear. 

[Haji 2003]

7 hours ago, AbdusSibtayn said:

There are sub-human primates on both sides of the divide flinging s*** at each other; don't bother engaging with rage-bait posted by trolls. 

Agree with this 100%.

If (and it might be a very big if)  the social media commentaries reflect real-world feelings (delusion) across the broader population, there is some serious trouble ahead.

[AbdusSibtayn]

24 minutes ago, Haji 2003 said:

Agree with this 100%.

If (and it might be a very big if)  the social media commentaries reflect real-world feelings (delusion) across the broader population, there is some serious trouble ahead.

The thing is that masses on both sides of the border have been brainwashed with hegemonic fantasies by their ruling classes for too long to retain any semblance of reality. 

One side has been fed delusions about some ancient imperium which can be achieved through Israel-style savagery and looks up to the Zio-Nazi project as an inspiration, with routinely expressed ambitious to turn geopolitical adversaries into 'Gaza'. 

The other side has a morbid schizophrenic identification with the medieval Arab-Turkic-Afghan kingdoms in the region and fancies itself to be the messianic fulfiller of the shady 'Ghazva-e-Hind' prophecy. 

In trying to imitate the Nazi 3rd Reich, they will end up like the Nazi 3rd Reich. 

The same voices on both sides have been drowned out in this savagery and their parable is like the sober man who intervenes to break up the fight of two drunkards. 

Edited May 12 by AbdusSibtayn

[Shaheed786]

6 hours ago, Haji 2003 said:

Agree with this 100%.

If (and it might be a very big if)  the social media commentaries reflect real-world feelings (delusion) across the broader population, there is some serious trouble ahead.

There are very high levels of nationalist delusion in both of those societies. Pakistan has a bad record of supporting Takfiris and they should be called out on that. 

At the same time, in this instance, I think it was a good thing that the Hindutva regime received a strong reciprocal blow which will cause them to think twice before trying such reckless actions again. It was totally unfair for them to have this knee-jerk reaction of blaming Pakistan for the attack without providing any evidence and then to simply start bombing a sovereign country. I think the Hindutva hysteria has made them delusional and overconfident, and they needed a bit of a humbling. 

[Ashvazdanghe]

On 5/10/2025 at 2:13 PM, Northwest said:

On Hamas I was referring to the fact that the organisation has only listed total casualties, without breaking down the totals to distinguish between noncombatants and fighters. Some anti-Zionists like to think that Israel exclusively targets civilians or nearly so (the mirror image of Zionists who view all Gaza denizens as Hamas “terrorists”). My point is, one can be anti-Zionist while looking critically at Hamas‘ methodology, while also acknowledging that mistaken identity is inevitable in a situation that involves irregular warfare, in addition to the role of Zionist militarism/extremism.

Hi all causalities have been distinguished by other sources other than Hamas too which it has ben proven from multiple reliable source  even without relying on Hamas's report  which Zionist Israel exclusively has targeted  civilians so then it has called them as terrorists  although they have no relation to Hamas which you can look critically at Hamas‘ methodology  although  intentional massacre of civilians by Zionist militarism/extremism has been proven from multiple sources .

[Activate your inner truth]

 

 

https://vtforeignpolicy.com/2025/05/is-america-still-trying-to-pull-off-kissinger-style-indo-brics-split/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mahmood8726]

On 5/13/2025 at 12:42 AM, Ashvazdanghe said:

Hi all causalities have been distinguished by other sources other than Hamas too which it has ben proven from multiple reliable source  even without relying on Hamas's report  which Zionist Israel exclusively has targeted  civilians so then it has called them as terrorists  although they have no relation to Hamas which you can look critically at Hamas‘ methodology  although  intentional massacre of civilians by Zionist militarism/extremism has been proven from multiple sources .

https://thecradle.co/articles/israeli-army-admits-civilians-make-up-80-percent-of-those-killed-in-gaza-since-march

 

"Israeli army admits civilians make up 80 percent of those killed in Gaza since March"

 

"In response to a request from the Hebrew magazine, the office of the Israeli military's spokesperson stated that 500 of the 2,780 killed in the Gaza Strip as of Tuesday are “terrorists.” In contrast, the remaining 2,280 people killed by Israeli forces were “not suspected terrorists.” "

 

 

 

 

 

After another magasine interviewed israeli officials, the article goes on to later say:

 

"“In practice, the army's publications on the matter of fatalities in the Gaza Strip are often blatant lies for propaganda purposes,” the magazine concluded."

Edited May 14 by mahmood8726

[Guest Shia]

Salam,

Just sharing an interesting and provocative article on this topic:

https://indi.ca/the-battle-of-tandoori-chicken/

I love the headline “battle of tandoori chicken” lol

[Northwest]

Unfortunately, Trump’s mediation likely means that an objective inquiry as to the Pahalgam incident is not likely to be forthcoming. The U.S. de facto is already siding with Pakistan by equating both sides and criticising Indian duties on U.S. goods. Given substantial U.S. regional influence, India is unlikely to anger the U.S. by providing more information about Pahalgam, especially if a U.S.-backed third party were complicit. At any rate, Pakistan is already behaving as though it won (visual evidence of damage to Pakistani military bases be damned!) and does not need to exercise restraint, even though India claims it will regard future incidents as acts of war, so the U.S. stance, rather than resolving the conflict, is just hardening preexisting positions on both sides. The risk of a nuclear war, if anything, might be higher after the ceasefire “deal” than before, so Trump can at least pride himself on that. My main objection, as before, is to the tendency of many people to side with Pakistan simply because it is a Muslim-majority country, even though its establishment and much of its people arguably treat fellow Muslim minorities (Shia) just as harshly as their Hindu neighbours do, or—as @mahmood8726suggested—even more so. I think this observation holds true, even if neither side had anything to do, at least directly, with Pahalgam.

On 5/11/2025 at 2:50 PM, mahmood8726 said:

It seems india capitulated to pakistan fast, they did get embarrased millitarly in this war with the jets falling and now they accepted their terms. It's like I said, india did not expect this war to escalate after having opened pandoras box, so they panicked and probably called america to tell their puppet pakistan to calm down. 

There is a good summary of one of these embarrasing events for india:

https://english.iswnews.com/37842/how-did-the-pakistani-military-bring-down-five-indian-fighter-jets/

^ I actually think a more salient point is that non-Western equipment did best on both sides in this conflict. India’s S-400 apparently performed quite well vs. Pakistani projectiles, while Pakistan‘s China-built jets and missiles downed the French planes. While human error could also have imperiled the Rafale jets, Western media year after year have also dangerously dismissed their rivals’ military-economic prowess. Russian, Chinese, and Iranian equipment has been repeatedly treated as worse than junk, despite evidence being lacking. If India and Pakistan want to actually resolve their issues bilaterally, then maybe ditching Western for non-Western military equipment is a start, so long as Iran is also included.

On 5/10/2025 at 8:08 PM, Activate your inner truth said:

Mahmood8726, somehow, I don't think those establishments are very much aligned with Islamic values. 

@Activate your inner truth I understand your point, but are you somehow justifying Pakistani strikes on Hindu religious sites? If so, then I might add that the Mughals had a very different attitude toward Hindu sanctities, allowing Hindus to maintain their temples. — Somehow I get the sense that some pro-Pakistan Muslims (Takfiri backers and some pan-Islamists, maybe?) are willing to justify anything that is done to “non-Muslims,” however the latter are defined, even if civilian targets are predominant. They might be right or wrong, but they do seem to be a bit more aggressive than their Hindu counterparts at times.

[Hameedeh]

Pakistan's army chief General Asim Munir was promoted to Field Marshal after recent military confrontations/skirmishes with India. 

[Activate your inner truth]

On 5/20/2025 at 6:54 PM, Northwest said:

Unfortunately, Trump’s mediation likely means that an objective inquiry as to the Pahalgam incident is not likely to be forthcoming. The U.S. de facto is already siding with Pakistan by equating both sides and criticising Indian duties on U.S. goods. Given substantial U.S. regional influence, India is unlikely to anger the U.S. by providing more information about Pahalgam, especially if a U.S.-backed third party were complicit. At any rate, Pakistan is already behaving as though it won (visual evidence of damage to Pakistani military bases be damned!) and does not need to exercise restraint, even though India claims it will regard future incidents as acts of war, so the U.S. stance, rather than resolving the conflict, is just hardening preexisting positions on both sides. The risk of a nuclear war, if anything, might be higher after the ceasefire “deal” than before, so Trump can at least pride himself on that. My main objection, as before, is to the tendency of many people to side with Pakistan simply because it is a Muslim-majority country, even though its establishment and much of its people arguably treat fellow Muslim minorities (Shia) just as harshly as their Hindu neighbours do, or—as @mahmood8726suggested—even more so. I think this observation holds true, even if neither side had anything to do, at least directly, with Pahalgam.

^ I actually think a more salient point is that non-Western equipment did best on both sides in this conflict. India’s S-400 apparently performed quite well vs. Pakistani projectiles, while Pakistan‘s China-built jets and missiles downed the French planes. While human error could also have imperiled the Rafale jets, Western media year after year have also dangerously dismissed their rivals’ military-economic prowess. Russian, Chinese, and Iranian equipment has been repeatedly treated as worse than junk, despite evidence being lacking. If India and Pakistan want to actually resolve their issues bilaterally, then maybe ditching Western for non-Western military equipment is a start, so long as Iran is also included.

@Activate your inner truth I understand your point, but are you somehow justifying Pakistani strikes on Hindu religious sites? If so, then I might add that the Mughals had a very different attitude toward Hindu sanctities, allowing Hindus to maintain their temples. — Somehow I get the sense that some pro-Pakistan Muslims (Takfiri backers and some pan-Islamists, maybe?) are willing to justify anything that is done to “non-Muslims,” however the latter are defined, even if civilian targets are predominant. They might be right or wrong, but they do seem to be a bit more aggressive than their Hindu counterparts at times.

Salaams, 

 

Sorry I can't remember what i wrote at the time, but definitely against any form of attacks on religious sites no matter which religions they are. Any army that intentionally attacks places of worship or kills innocent people are criminals. The Mughals were cognizant people. 

 

It could be some more extreme elements as you said within both countries. 

 

 

 

[ServantOfMahdi]

On 5/7/2025 at 7:02 PM, hamz786 said:

My apologies for any confusion. My meaning was that the Indian gov is claiming to have targeted supposed terrorist camps, when it's been reported that civillians were the casualties.

The terrorists there are 'civilians' in official records. The Pakistani establishment at one hand signs ceasefire pacts over Kashmir with India, and meanwhile on the other hand launches terrorists from its land into Indian kashmir. They never keep their word, neither with Islam nor with people whether theirs or others. Hardcore hypocrites.

[Northwest]

On 5/13/2025 at 1:32 AM, Shaheed786 said:

There are very high levels of nationalist delusion in both of those societies. Pakistan has a bad record of supporting Takfiris and they should be called out on that. 

At the same time, in this instance, I think it was a good thing that the Hindutva regime received a strong reciprocal blow which will cause them to think twice before trying such reckless actions again. It was totally unfair for them to have this knee-jerk reaction of blaming Pakistan for the attack without providing any evidence and then to simply start bombing a sovereign country. I think the Hindutva hysteria has made them delusional and overconfident, and they needed a bit of a humbling. 

@Shaheed786 While India acted precipitously, I think context matters. Neither the Pakistani state nor its society has shown a real interest in combatting Takfiri sectarianism at home or abroad. By contrast, India, while also prone to sectarianism, at least did not single out Shias to the same degree until very recently, and has done so with notably less intensity than in Pakistan. Even before General Zia Pakistan played a major role in initiating the wars of 1947–8 and 1965. In the first war British authorities sanctioned Pakistan-backed tribal operations in both Gilgit and Poonch, thereby indirectly fostering the Kashmir conflict. In 1965 Pakistan orchestrated Operation GIBRALTAR, triggering an Indian response. Interestingly, in all three instances the Kashmiri locals tended to remain neutral or side with the onetime princely authorities rather than Pakistan. So in at least two of the three wars Pakistan acted aggressively, disregarding local viewpoints. Unfortunately, I suspect that only the destruction of the Pakistani state—along with the secession of its constituents and the reconstitution of Kashmiri independence on both sides of the LoC—may lead to a real change. Maybe Baluchistan should go to Iran, the (Pashtun) tribal regions to Afghanistan, and the Punjab to India. But all this will take a big war and major upheaval.

[Northwest]

13 hours ago, Zaydi Shiapard said:

The terrorists there are 'civilians' in official records. The Pakistani establishment at one hand signs ceasefire pacts over Kashmir with India, and meanwhile on the other hand launches terrorists from its land into Indian kashmir. They never keep their word, neither with Islam nor with people whether theirs or others. Hardcore hypocrites.

@Zaydi Shiapard To be fair, no country, other than India, has specifically blamed Pakistan, but neither has anyone countered Indian claims, so there seems to be strong circumstantial evidence that Pakistan-based Takfiris may have worked with “rogue” ISI and/or military elements to stage the attack. (A similar pattern has been seen in previous incidents such as the 2001 India Parliament attack, the 2008 Mumbai attacks, and so on.) The group that carried out Pahalgam had for years been opposing non-Kashmiri activity, including tourism, and had ties to Pakistani Takfiri militants as well as military-intelligence elements, so India’s claims appear to have some basis, even if the terrorists were operating independently rather than at the behest of the Pakistani regime. At any rate, while the Pakistani state as a whole may not have been directly responsible for Pahalgam, Takfiri groups such as the Deobandi Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), and so on are deeply embedded in Pakistani society, whether at the state or civilian level. Moreover, conditions in Pakistan have continually promoted Takfiri sectarianism and terrorism, so I would argue that Pakistan is in some sense responsible for the factors that produced Pahalgam. Of course, Takfiri militants will always claim that non-Kashmiri, “non-Muslim” foreigners (“settlers”) provoked them, even though Takfiri grievances are based on the mere existence of non-Takfiri people, rather than any source of oppression. Their ideology both condones and mandates deception to serve their goals.