Women right so limited, why?

[Botak]

I have heard before on how Islam is a mysgonist, yada yada, i always chalk it up as nonsense. God law is perfect after all, and our marja is capable, what could possibly go wrong?

But last night after discovering and searching for some stuff, I feels unwell.

There is the issue of the wife must obey their husband (except if its haram) which is, well, i can see lots of way this can be abused, like the husband locking up the wife at their bedroom, etc. (Havent even talked about the ruling on what should the wife do if she is tired and the husband ask for xxx)

But what i most find unwell (and this is also because of the fact i am affected as well) is the whole divorce thing

I always thought that if the husband doesnt respect the wife right, and abuse her, or just doesnt fullfill his obligation. Then she could file a divorce, or she could just leave if he continue to act abusive.

But turns out you need the husband approval or a jurist approval (was it jurist? I forgot the right word)

 I have heard stories where the husband abuses his wife and the jurist just do nothing

Ofcourse i have also seen people who said that, the divorce in fact happen, and the divorce by jurist thing isnt useless

Still i think this could be really easily abused, especially in the area where there arent many jurist. Even if those stories of the jurist ignoring or refusing the divorce is only 20 percent of the case, thats still alot.

If the husband continue to abuse and the jurist keep rejecting their claim, what could she do?

Also what about the age before internet where the husband could just lock her up, so she cant go to the jurist (though i never heard of this happening)

I do see a solution for this, we need to have many more jurists to handle these cases, and an actual proper investigation, and they all needs to be very just and honest, etc. But looking at the state of the muslim world right now, thats more of a fantasy isnt it?

Why is God law like this that we need to rely on the jurists being many and reliable, or the husband to be kind and caring. Ofocurse God knows best its just I am feeling unwell from all of this

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

2 hours ago, Botak said:

I have heard before on how Islam is a mysgonist, yada yada, i always chalk it up as nonsense. God law is perfect after all, and our marja is capable, what could possibly go wrong?

But last night after discovering and searching for some stuff, I feels unwell.

There is the issue of the wife must obey their husband (except if its haram) which is, well, i can see lots of way this can be abused, like the husband locking up the wife at their bedroom, etc. (Havent even talked about the ruling on what should the wife do if she is tired and the husband ask for xxx)

But what i most find unwell (and this is also because of the fact i am affected as well) is the whole divorce thing

I always thought that if the husband doesnt respect the wife right, and abuse her, or just doesnt fullfill his obligation. Then she could file a divorce, or she could just leave if he continue to act abusive.

But turns out you need the husband approval or a jurist approval (was it jurist? I forgot the right word)

 I have heard stories where the husband abuses his wife and the jurist just do nothing

Ofcourse i have also seen people who said that, the divorce in fact happen, and the divorce by jurist thing isnt useless

Still i think this could be really easily abused, especially in the area where there arent many jurist. Even if those stories of the jurist ignoring or refusing the divorce is only 20 percent of the case, thats still alot.

If the husband continue to abuse and the jurist keep rejecting their claim, what could she do?

Also what about the age before internet where the husband could just lock her up, so she cant go to the jurist (though i never heard of this happening)

I do see a solution for this, we need to have many more jurists to handle these cases, and an actual proper investigation, and they all needs to be very just and honest, etc. But looking at the state of the muslim world right now, thats more of a fantasy isnt it?

Why is God law like this that we need to rely on the jurists being many and reliable, or the husband to be kind and caring. Ofocurse God knows best its just I am feeling unwell from all of this

Even a perfect system can seem imperfect because of human imperfections. I am not shia but I will tell you how I see it. I think women having too many rights is a greater evil. Do abuses happen perhaps but look what's happen in the west with birth rates going down and the best of men unable to reproduce because of the pendulum swinging the other way. Women take half of a man's wealth in divorces and getting ridiculous spousal and child support. Women also are more likely to abuse the divorce process and use it like blackmail. Westerners are too focused on rights. Women have too many rights without corresponding obligations. 

[Guest Fa___]

I disagree with the idea that women having “too many rights” is a problem. The real issue is that too many women aren’t educated about the rights Islam already gives them. A lot of women enter marriage trusting what everyone else says — without doing their own research — and they hand over their rights to their fathers or husbands instead of taking ownership of them.

As for the idea that women are trying to “do everything on their own” — let’s be real: no woman wants to take on all the responsibility alone. That usually happens because men are neglecting their obligations and not treating women with the respect and care they’re supposed to. The difference now is that women aren’t afraid to speak up and demand the rights Islam already gave them.

Why would a woman leave a good man, a happy home, and a peaceful life? Most wouldn’t. So if so many are walking away, maybe it’s time to stop blaming women and start asking why some men aren’t holding up their end of the deal.

Back to the original question — you’re not alone. I used to wonder if Islam was sexist or unfair too. What helped me was digging deeper, asking hard questions, and going to trustworthy scholars (yes, unfortunately, there are some corrupt ones). 

Islam is perfect but the people are far from it. If anything it more important now to folllow our religion more then ever. 

[Botak]

3 hours ago, TheWayofTheSalaaf said:

Even a perfect system can seem imperfect because of human imperfections. I am not shia but I will tell you how I see it. I think women having too many rights is a greater evil. Do abuses happen perhaps but look what's happen in the west with birth rates going down and the best of men unable to reproduce because of the pendulum swinging the other way. Women take half of a man's wealth in divorces and getting ridiculous spousal and child support. Women also are more likely to abuse the divorce process and use it like blackmail. Westerners are too focused on rights. Women have too many rights without corresponding obligations. 

I know the current western system are horrid, but then you look at us and its... eh...

[TheWayofTheSalaaf]

1 hour ago, Botak said:

I know the current western system are horrid, but then you look at us and its... eh...

I think if you lived in the west you could appreciate shariah more. The short comings you see in it is human failings. Female rights in the west lead to some of the greatest of tyranny where no one has true rights.

[Borntowitnesstruth]

9 hours ago, Botak said:

I have heard before on how Islam is a mysgonist, yada yada, i always chalk it up as nonsense. God law is perfect after all, and our marja is capable, what could possibly go wrong?

But last night after discovering and searching for some stuff, I feels unwell.

There is the issue of the wife must obey their husband (except if its haram) which is, well, i can see lots of way this can be abused, like the husband locking up the wife at their bedroom, etc. (Havent even talked about the ruling on what should the wife do if she is tired and the husband ask for xxx)

But what i most find unwell (and this is also because of the fact i am affected as well) is the whole divorce thing

I always thought that if the husband doesnt respect the wife right, and abuse her, or just doesnt fullfill his obligation. Then she could file a divorce, or she could just leave if he continue to act abusive.

But turns out you need the husband approval or a jurist approval (was it jurist? I forgot the right word)

 I have heard stories where the husband abuses his wife and the jurist just do nothing

Ofcourse i have also seen people who said that, the divorce in fact happen, and the divorce by jurist thing isnt useless

Still i think this could be really easily abused, especially in the area where there arent many jurist. Even if those stories of the jurist ignoring or refusing the divorce is only 20 percent of the case, thats still alot.

If the husband continue to abuse and the jurist keep rejecting their claim, what could she do?

Also what about the age before internet where the husband could just lock her up, so she cant go to the jurist (though i never heard of this happening)

I do see a solution for this, we need to have many more jurists to handle these cases, and an actual proper investigation, and they all needs to be very just and honest, etc. But looking at the state of the muslim world right now, thats more of a fantasy isnt it?

Why is God law like this that we need to rely on the jurists being many and reliable, or the husband to be kind and caring. Ofocurse God knows best its just I am feeling unwell from all of this

It is unlike what you said, Islam has given women right to get a divorce and a jurist cannot object to that if a woman is not willing to live with her husband let alone a bad husband. Jurist can only ask them to think about it before taking a serious step which is in accordance with the teachings of Islam. I have never seen a woman being put in chains or her husband in a well-educated Islamic society but I do have witnessed oppression with both man and woman in both liberal and superstitious quarters of society.