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"No, It's not permissible to say that Allah hears without an ear, as Allah has not denied an ear for himself, so it is not appropriate for us to deny this because it's possible that he does have an ear." - Ibn Uthaymeen, regarded as one of the most influential and most widely respected Salafi-scholars of modern times.

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You often find Salafis telling the rest of the Ummah, if we affirm Allah has hearing and seeing, but we don't know how Allah has hearing and seeing, similarly Allah has fingers, eyes, a shin, and feet.

To counter this, ask the Salafi , so Allah hears but not like us correct?

He will say, yes.

Then say, so Allah hears without ears correct?

This will completely expose their Anthropomorphic Aqeedah.

May Allah forgive me for even saying this - but as per Salafis, Allah has not denied he has a tail (Nauzubillah) , and so it is possible he has a tail but one that befits his majesty, as per their Aqeedah.

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Salafis will insist Allah's ears are not like our ears, his eyes not like ours, but affirm parts for Allah literally. They all affirm Allah has two literal eyes, or several eyes, but not like our eyes. With ears, some affirm he has two ears, but some say it's possible he hears from his ears.

Furthermore, why would Allah even require an ear? For a sect that deem the al-Asmaa was Sifaat (The names and attributes of Allah) to be the most important and fundamental aspect of Aqeedah, they arguably have one of the most insulting, laughable, anthropomorphic and illogical forms of Aqeedah that has even become weaponsied by Christians to showcase Islam's fundamental belief in God as a laughing stock in defence of the Trinity.

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“When the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) recited the Quranic verse: “Truly Allah is Ever All-Hearer, All-Seer” he put his thumb on his ears and the fingers close to the thumb on his eyes”

Ibn Taymiyyah comments: “This Hadith means that Allah hears through His Ears and sees through His Eyes” [Sharh Aqeeda al-Wasitiyyah (شرح العقيدة الواسطية) Ibn Taymiyyah]

Ibn Khuzaymah writes: “”Our Creator and Lord has two eyes, by them He sees what is under the soil, what is under the seventh earth and what is above the heavens.” [Kitab al-Tawhid, Ibn Khuzaymah]

Now consider what Imam Muhammed al-Baqir, the grandson of Imam al-Hussain has to say on the matter:

Imam Muhammed al-Baqir (عليه السلام) has said :

علي بن إبراهيم، عن محمد بن عيسى بن عبيد، عن حماد، عن حريز، عن محمد بن مسلم، عن أبي جعفر عليه السلام أنه قال في صفة القديم: إنه واحد صمد أحدي المعنى ليس بمعاني كثيرة مختلفة، قال: قلت: جعلت فداك يزعم قوم من أهل العراق أنه يسمع بغير الذي يبصر ويبصر بغير الذي يسمع، قال: فقال: كذبوا وألحدوا وشبهوا تعالى الله عن ذلك، إنه سميع بصير يسمع بما يبصر ويبصر بما يسمع، قال: قلت: يزعمون أنه بصير على ما يعقلونه، قال، فقال: تعالى الله إنما يعقل ما كان بصفة المخلوق وليس الله كذلك.
`Ali b. Ibrahim from Muhammad b. `Isa b. `Ubayd from Hamad from Hareez from Muhammad b. Muslim from Abu Ja`far عليه السلام.
He said regarding the description of the Eternal: Verily, He is one, Eternally-Besought of All, and Alone by its meaning and not by the many contradicting meanings. He said: So I said: May I be your ransom, a community from the people of Iraq allege that He hears with something different from that which He sees with, and sees with something different from that which He hears with. He said: So he said: They have lied, deviated, and alikened Him [to His creation]; and Allah is above that. He is Hearing and Seeing – He hears with that which He sees, and sees with that which He hears. He said: I said: They allege that He sees as they think [He sees]. He said: So he said: Allah is above that. They deliberate [for Him] what they would apply to the creation, and Allah is not like that. (al-Kafi, Volume 1, hadith 292)
(sahih) (صحيح) [Imamiyya.com website translation]
 
 
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There are 73 Ism-e-Azam, 72 of which Allah (عزّ وجلّ) shared with Ahlebait (عليه السلام) and one of which He (عزّ وجلّ) kept with himself because it belonged to the knowledge of what He is which is incomprehensible for any creation to hold because of their limitation. Except that 72 words which could be held by the noblest creations, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) shared them all. To assign attributes of creation to Allah (عزّ وجلّ) is trying to create a false notion as if creation knows about the extent of his abilities against whom a counter strategy can be framed to limit or contain such ability. What you wrote about the salafis view, are throwing arrows in the dark without hitting any target, an speculation without value. 

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8 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

There are 73 Ism-e-Azam, 72 of which Allah (عزّ وجلّ) shared with Ahlebait (عليه السلام) and one of which He (عزّ وجلّ) kept with himself because it belonged to the knowledge of what He is which is incomprehensible for any creation to hold because of their limitation. Except that 72 words which could be held by the noblest creations, Allah (عزّ وجلّ) shared them all. To assign attributes of creation to Allah (عزّ وجلّ) is trying to create a false notion as if creation knows about the extent of his abilities against whom a counter strategy can be framed to limit or contain such ability. What you wrote about the salafis view, are throwing arrows in the dark without hitting any target, an speculation without value. 

This itself isn't authentic -but this is not the topic of the thread.

Allah has not shaerd his names with the Ahlulbayt, in the sense only Allah can possess the complete perfection and beautiful attributes his names entail.

Could a human be mercy? Yes, a limited form of mercy that does not capture the true mercy of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), who possesses mercy in its ulimited perfection in a way that befits his majesty.

However, this is not the direct topic of the thread - we are talking about the body parts of Allah.

Salafis get a get out of jail card with Shias promoting beliefs like this.

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12 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

Could a human be mercy? Yes, a limited form of mercy that does not capture the true mercy of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), who possesses mercy in its ulimited perfection in a way that befits his majesty.

No one has ever claim this for Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام), but they are the best of creations, because they manifest from all creations the Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) names in the best possible way of what He has allowed. This is always a limitation.

The salafis whose heart are blind  will always think in the most literalist way thinking these narrations are pure shirk. Even some shias have leveled to same level than them.

I will tell you what is shirk and mostly every salafi do it daily, following the commandment of shaytan by obeying him in sinning and following false belief about Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

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12 minutes ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

And they really have the audacity to talk about Tawheed? Lol

Dispute about and insult Allah: ah we are salafi and deobandi brothers

Dispute about mortal men called the Sahaba: you are the worst filth on earth

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16 minutes ago, In Gods Name said:

Dispute about and insult Allah: ah we are salafi and deobandi brothers

I really don't understand, you demonstrate perfect Tawheed but at the same time you think that there are shias who believe that Ahlulbayt are the absolute manifesting God names? Any Shias who have understanding of Tawheed will never say such a thing.

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Just now, Abu Nur said:

I really don't understand, you demonstrate perfect Tawheed but at the same time you think that there are shias who believe that Ahlulbayt are the absolute manifesting God names? Any Shias who have understanding of Tawheed will never say such a thing.

It's the rhetoric used brother.

There are Shias who will say Allah gave (see above) 92 of his 93 attributes or names, or even some that say the Imams are the names of Allah.

The reality is, this is impossible. Allah alone can manifest his attributes, which are beyond human comprehension, perfect in a manner that befits his majesty.

A chimpanzee mother can manifest some mercy towards her young chimpanzee , and no doubt Muhammed (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) was the greatest human to walk thios earth and manifested Mercy more than anyone else in the mortal, human sense, and this was a blessing on him by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

However, to say Allah has given Muhammed (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) his attribute, or his name, is the wrong way of wording it.

The intention might be something else, but the wording and semantics is what i am discussing here - and on a debate with Salafis regarding exact wording and being focused on the terms, we can't then be less then absolutely precise with wordings.

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4 minutes ago, Abu Nur said:

I really don't understand, you demonstrate perfect Tawheed but at the same time you think that there are shias who believe that Ahlulbayt are the absolute manifesting God names? Any Shias who have understanding of Tawheed will never say such a thing.

Brother @In Gods Name might have misunderstood it and i believe same goes for his stance on Istaghasa. However, Salafi Tawheed is much worse.
Recently there's been Hasan Allayari's English live stream on this same issue "Salafi Tawheed" where he shows much much references of weird things they attribute to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and yet they've the audacity to call Sunnis and Shias Mushriks LOL

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Just now, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

Brother @In Gods Name might have misunderstood it and i believe same goes for his stance on Istaghasa. However, Salafi Tawheed is much worse.
Recently there's been Hasan Allayari's English live stream on this same issue "Salafi Tawheed" where he shows much much references of weird things they attribute to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) and yet they've the audacity to call Sunnis and Shias Mushriks LOL

I would say, when debating Salafis, don't discuss Istigatha, Sahaba etc. Go straight for Tawheed and in Tawheed, go directly at Asmaa was Sifaat. It is a no brainer to start here, and in my view, a complete slaml dunk.

I don't agree with Istigatha or any kind of Dua to GhairAllah, whatever the intention, as it is not the practice of the Prophet and his Ahlulbayt, and they taught us the most beautiful duas made directly to the Lord who controls all the atoms of the universe.

However, that is another topic or area, a bigger crime is what the Salafis are doing in their anthropomorphic beliefs.

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He has Ears, He has legs and he'll put one into hellfire on the day of judgement
He has curly hair, when he sits, his back is bigger than chair (backside you sit on)
He has face, and he will be seen in akhirah, people recognizing him looking at portion of his foot (don't know what that body part is called in English)
Also heard he doesn't have a beard and looks like young boy
He descends (just like ibn taymiah showed how he descended from the pulpit)

They should be glad christians and Atheists don't read classical texts or they'd be in trouble

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6 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

He has Ears, He has legs and he'll put one into hellfire on the day of judgement
He has curly hair, when he sits, his back is bigger than chair (backside you sit on)
He has face, and he will be seen in akhirah, people recognizing him looking at portion of his foot (don't know what that body part is called in English)
Also heard he doesn't have a beard and looks like young boy
He descends (just like ibn taymiah showed how he descended from the pulpit)

They should be glad christians and Atheists don't read classical texts or they'd be in trouble

It's too late.

The Christians have already read these books and have gone to town and have actually tried to tell the Salafis, how can you mock the trinity when you believe in a God with two right hands, feet, a shin, eyes, fingers, and possibly other parts too?

Just watch this:

Anthony Rogers - a famous Christian debator mocking the 'Shin' of Allah:. Look at how these deviant beliefs have caused them to mock us? Astagfirullah La Hawla wa la Quwwata Illa Billah:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUNTbKW8_qc

 

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And Hatun, the famous Christian woman at London Hydepark has consistently gone out shouting 'What is the Shin of Allah?":

 

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Deep insight - beyond sectarian rhetoric:

Just to clarify to our Salafi brothers and sisters, the aim of this thread is not to make fun of you. Many of you stand up later than many of us here at night, are Hafidh of the Quran, perform charity, and are probably very decent human beings.

However, Allah created in us Aql, and it is so important. You might claim that Aql should not be applied to Allah as he is beyond comprehension - but we agree!

Rather, what we are saying here is, Allah is above comprehension, above Aql, and all we can do is negate what Allah can not be - the same way you guys beautifully do when debating people who believe in a triune God with three persons, one of whom took on a supposed human form while retaining their God-head identifiy outside of time and space.

I understand, you want to adhere strictly to the limits set by God, not go above, not go beyond, not throw yourselves into doom by adopting greek philosophy which you say had taken over the Muslim Ummah when they began to invade the Roman empire and Islam spread into Europe etc

However, your literalism is the same flaw the Christians are falling into. They are willing to attribute to Allah a son, form, eating, parts and divisions, in the same way you are attributing to Allah eyes, a shin, feet, a footstool, fingers, and then claiming it's a mystery we don't know how.

Both Christians and yourselves claim to believe in one God, and that God has no parts, and that God is one , yet then with the same breadth negate this in the name of adhereing to a very illogical and dogmatic rhetoric.

The Shias, with all the flaws in the modern day version of Shi'ism, and the Sunnis in the form of Deobandis, the Barelvis, and other groups who cover Ashari, Maturidi, Jafari creeds of Aqeedah completely refute your interpretation.

Furthermore, we have innumerable chains of transmitters to the family of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) affirming this!

Is it a coincidence the family of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) somehow adopted a view which even Christians, Ashari/Maturidi Sunnis, the Shia, and even Deists attest to is the most rational understanding of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)?

You claim nothing is more important than Aqeedah in Tawheed, and in Tawheed no subject is as important as al-Asma was Sifaat i.e. the names and attributes of Allah, yet you have the weakest Aqeedah in this respect, whatever your intentions. Remember, this will not be a valid excuse for the Christians in their own flawed views (though they reject body parts for Allah) and this won't be an excuse fo you because the Quran is so clear , nothing is like unto him, he is free of need.

How on earth can you sit there and say, Allah sees with his eyes? Why does Allah need eyes?

Put side calling onto others than Allah in Dua - i agree, it's not Quranic, it's against the Quran and Sunnah, and even against the teachings we find in authentic Shia narrations beleive it or not, but a more pressing issue is the nature of Allah.

 

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3 hours ago, In Gods Name said:

Furthermore, we have innumerable chains of transmitters to the family of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) affirming this!

Is it a coincidence the family of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) somehow adopted a view which even Christians, Ashari/Maturidi Sunnis, the Shia, and even Deists attest to is the most rational understanding of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى)?

You claim nothing is more important than Aqeedah in Tawheed, and in Tawheed no subject is as important as al-Asma was Sifaat i.e. the names and attributes of Allah, yet you have the weakest Aqeedah in this respect, whatever your intentions. Remember, this will not be a valid excuse for the Christians in their own flawed views (though they reject body parts for Allah) and this won't be an excuse fo you because the Quran is so clear , nothing is like unto him, he is free of need.

 

6 hours ago, In Gods Name said:

A chimpanzee mother can manifest some mercy towards her young chimpanzee , and no doubt Muhammed (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) was the greatest human to walk thios earth and manifested Mercy more than anyone else in the mortal, human sense, and this was a blessing on him by Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

 

7 hours ago, In Gods Name said:

However, this is not the direct topic of the thread - we are talking about the body parts of Allah.

Salafis get a get out of jail card with Shias promoting beliefs like this.

Salam your clear intention is promotion & proselytizing your  corrupt modified Islam by hiding behind good words of criticizing Salafis & Wahabis but making correlation  their false Aqeeda toward Shia muslims by calling your self as so called "Allah centric" while you are denying attributes of Ahlubayt (عليه السلام) which are proven facts which you want  to inject & proselytize your false belief while according to holy Quran prophet Muhammad (pbu) has been mercy to whole world as manifestation of mercy of Allah on whole creation as his caliph & prophet on earth  which you are denying it  based on your false Aqeeda; which infallible Imams after him have been likewise him although they have not been prophets after him in similar fashion of Amir al Muminin Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who has had status of prophet Harun (عليه السلام) toward prophet Muhammad (pbu) while he has not been the prophet after prophet Muhammad which you are denying his status & status of rest of infallible Imam due to your neu corrupt modified Islam which just your totally false rhetoric  .

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6 hours ago, In Gods Name said:

This itself isn't authentic -but this is not the topic of the thread.

Allah has not shaerd his names with the Ahlulbayt, in the sense only Allah can possess the complete perfection and beautiful attributes his names entail.

Could a human be mercy? Yes, a limited form of mercy that does not capture the true mercy of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), who possesses mercy in its ulimited perfection in a way that befits his majesty.

However, this is not the direct topic of the thread - we are talking about the body parts of Allah.

Salafis get a get out of jail card with Shias promoting beliefs like this.

What I know from traditions of Ahlebait (عليه السلام) is that Allah (عزّ وجلّ) shared 72 out of 73 Ism-e-Azm, which is vast knowledge to hold about marifah of Allah (عزّ وجلّ). This, after Allah (عزّ وجلّ), they know all about tauheed up until latest moment that which a creation can hold and that is not the end, Ahlebait (عليه السلام) are seekers of Allah (عزّ وجلّ) bounties, the greatest of which is marifah of Allah (عزّ وجلّ). Hence, they will constantly be rewarded with that forever because it's a forever process. 

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3 hours ago, Borntowitnesstruth said:

What I know from traditions of Ahlebait (عليه السلام) is that Allah (عزّ وجلّ) shared 72 out of 73 Ism-e-Azm, which is vast knowledge to hold about marifah of Allah (عزّ وجلّ). This, after Allah (عزّ وجلّ), they know all about tauheed up until latest moment that which a creation can hold and that is not the end, Ahlebait (عليه السلام) are seekers of Allah (عزّ وجلّ) bounties, the greatest of which is marifah of Allah (عزّ وجلّ). Hence, they will constantly be rewarded with that forever because it's a forever process. 

How can Allahs attributes, knowledge and Ma'rifah be limited to 73? and How can one say the Ahlulbayt know all there is to know about Allah, except 1/73rd which Allah has kept secret?

Allah is totally, and wholly beyond comprehension.

No mortal, infact, none but Allah can comprehend even a single one of his attributes.

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4 hours ago, Ashvazdanghe said:

 

 

Salam your clear intention is promotion & proselytizing your  corrupt modified Islam by hiding behind good words of criticizing Salafis & Wahabis but making correlation  their false Aqeeda toward Shia muslims by calling your self as so called "Allah centric" while you are denying attributes of Ahlubayt (عليه السلام) which are proven facts which you want  to inject & proselytize your false belief while according to holy Quran prophet Muhammad (pbu) has been mercy to whole world as manifestation of mercy of Allah on whole creation as his caliph & prophet on earth  which you are denying it  based on your false Aqeeda; which infallible Imams after him have been likewise him although they have not been prophets after him in similar fashion of Amir al Muminin Imam Ali (عليه السلام) who has had status of prophet Harun (عليه السلام) toward prophet Muhammad (pbu) while he has not been the prophet after prophet Muhammad which you are denying his status & status of rest of infallible Imam due to your neu corrupt modified Islam which just your totally false rhetoric  .

Shaykh Tusi, who Sayed Khui regarded as the leader of the sect of Twelver Shias, who wrote two of the main four cannocial works of Hadith, himself said many Shia Ulema do not believe Imams are greater than Prophets, and it is okay to hold this opinion. He himself held no opinion and said he is referring the true knowledge of the matter to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

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Furthermore, who doubts Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is the mercy for Mankind? But the Mercy (capital M) of Allah, his infinite Mercy can never be encompassed by anything or anyone, and his true Mercy only he knows what it is, and none can contain it, none can comprehend it and none can possess it except he. He has no partners , nor anyone like him, nor anyone sharing in any of his divinity.

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9 hours ago, In Gods Name said:

How can Allahs attributes, knowledge and Ma'rifah be limited to 73? and How can one say the Ahlulbayt know all there is to know about Allah, except 1/73rd which Allah has kept secret?

Allah is totally, and wholly beyond comprehension.

No mortal, infact, none but Allah can comprehend even a single one of his attributes.

Well, I don't want to speculate about it because it's not right to do so. However, what hadith teaches us is that there are 73 ism-e-Azam, out of which Allah (عزّ وجلّ) shared 72 with Ahlebait (عليه السلام) and another hadith says that prophet taught Imam Ali (عليه السلام) 1000 chapters and each of them had 1000 chapters. Yet another hadith says whenever Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) creates something, he imparts it's knowledge to Ahlebait (عليه السلام). So, it may be that some ism-e-Azam explains past which is limited, some explain future which is unlimited and so on so forth. Thus, some may be limited and some may be expandable, Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) knows best. Secondly, although it's impossible to estimate the true might and power of Allah (عزّ وجلّ) but even that fact was distinguished from the observation of limitations of his creation that is to say, your understanding that Allah's (عزّ وجلّ) power has no limitations when you saw variety of unceasing creations which was one bigger than other. So, by observing each creation's limits that one is bigger than other and it's unending, one becomes certain of the infinite power of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى). So, these limitations of creations are not without any purpose rather through these limitations you attain marifah of Allah (عزّ وجلّ). So, things with limitations aren't worthless. 

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Sometimes watching these Sunni youtube videos I can recognize if they are salafis and not, and majority of these youtube videos are created by Salafis. That how much they truly have influence over all the Sunni sects. In one video, they attack the concept of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) being manifested everywhere, because of their literalist mind set, they think that this statement means Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is in physical world everywhere, which according them it is false. 

In many videos, their scholars can not answer the question of where is Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), when someone asked. The answer is very easy, there is no physical location or any location that limits him. Rather He is far from everything, yet He is close to everything. When someone understand the nature of the immaterial, he will understand that there is no location and no time. But as for creations, there is no attribute of everything; where Allah is far from everything and close to everything can not be applied to rest of immaterial creations like souls and angels. When people attributed Jesus as God, this is false, because now you pointed God in one location and He is far, means you can never pointing Him saying He is here. And when Musa started to worry, God said don't worry I'm with you, this is how close He is to His creations. 

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On 4/7/2025 at 4:52 AM, In Gods Name said:

Shaykh Tusi, who Sayed Khui regarded as the leader of the sect of Twelver Shias, who wrote two of the main four cannocial works of Hadith, himself said many Shia Ulema do not believe Imams are greater than Prophets, and it is okay to hold this opinion. He himself held no opinion and said he is referring the true knowledge of the matter to Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى).

Salam this is your typical rhetoric which you never have provided any document or evidence about your false claim which always you just have misinterpreted words of Shaykh Tusi based on your own ideas which  until now you have not provided even a single line from Shaykh Tusi about supporting your own ideas ; which your rherotic just has been parroting a baseless claim :blabla:.which your own idea has been refuted in your previous thread about it which you just have parroted your circular  baseless ideas as a broken record .:blabla::einstein::book:

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On 4/7/2025 at 4:52 AM, In Gods Name said:

Furthermore, who doubts Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is the mercy for Mankind? But the Mercy (capital M) of Allah, his infinite Mercy can never be encompassed by anything or anyone, and his true Mercy only he knows what it is, and none can contain it, none can comprehend it and none can possess it except he. He has no partners , nor anyone like him, nor anyone sharing in any of his divinity.

Salam in opposition to your own belief prophet Muhammad (pbu) has not been just only mercy for Mankind which you have expressed it based on misinterpretation & your total ignorance which you have misinterpreted & rejected it  it just based on rejection of his  divinely  based mercy by his most  wretched enemies which in similar fashion divinely  based mercy mercy of  infallible Imams (عليه السلام) has been rejected by most  wretched enemies of Ahlulbayt (عليه السلام) ; while prophet Muhammad (pbu) has been mercy to all of creation (all the nations)  whether  in seen or unseen worlds. which calling him as just a mercy to all nations as just humankind is a common mistranslation or misinterpretation  in other languages other than Arabic  which  mercy to "Aalameena which means mercy to all creation (all the nations) whether in  seen or unseen worlds. ;  which all humankind is just a small portion of it ;  which prophet Muhammad (pbu) & in similar fashion infallible Imams have been mercy to "Aalameena" (all the nations) which means they have been mercy to whole of creation (all the nations) in similar fashion of mercy of Allah over ""Aalameena"(all the nations whether in  seen or unseen worlds) .

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9 hours ago, Abu Nur said:

Sometimes watching these Sunni youtube videos I can recognize if they are salafis and not, and majority of these youtube videos are created by Salafis. That how much they truly have influence over all the Sunni sects. In one video, they attack the concept of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) being manifested everywhere, because of their literalist mind set, they think that this statement means Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) is in physical world everywhere, which according them it is false. 

In many videos, their scholars can not answer the question of where is Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى), when someone asked. The answer is very easy, there is no physical location or any location that limits him. Rather He is far from everything, yet He is close to everything. When someone understand the nature of the immaterial, he will understand that there is no location and no time. But as for creations, there is no attribute of everything; where Allah is far from everything and close to everything can not be applied to rest of immaterial creations like souls and angels. When people attributed Jesus as God, this is false, because now you pointed God in one location and He is far, means you can never pointing Him saying He is here. And when Musa started to worry, God said don't worry I'm with you, this is how close He is to His creations. 

We literally have the kryptonite to Salafism, but i genuinely believe we've shot ourselves in the foot.

The Ahlulbayt never promoted Istighata bi GhairAllah, Tatbir, and a large ammount of what you find being done in the modern day.

If we stuck to the teachings of the Ahlulbayt, our Tawheed by far is the purest both in Ahadith/Athar, and in rationality and reason.

Just imagine, Salafis believe you can not deny Allah has a tail (La Hawla Wa la Quwwata Illa Billah) because they refuse to deny Allah has parts or a body, and claim they can only deny what he denies.

We say, Allah has already denied having a shape, parts or a form, and a tail is not beffiting Allah, even if one claims a tail unlike any other tail.

But instead of that, we're still debating Wilayat Takwini, Istighara Bi GhairAllah, Tatbir, etc

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Being moderate causes no harm. It's better to stay away from shubhaat as Imams (عليه السلام) have told us.

God is not going to ask you on the day of judgement if 12 Imams are better than all prophets (عليه السلام) except for one (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) or not.
However, majority of shias might also disagree with Shaykh Tusi over this issue as they have stronger proofs.

On 4/7/2025 at 2:50 PM, In Gods Name said:

How can Allahs attributes, knowledge and Ma'rifah be limited to 73?

Where did anyone say that? I don't think hadith or any shia says that. Brother in post referred to number of ism e azam to be 73. How come this equates to Allah s.w.ts knowledge and Marifah be limited to 73? Knowledge and Marifah also can't be counted. @In Gods Name brother you need to stop putting allegations on everyone. You've already known how shallow wahabism is, you don't have to impress anyone by rejecting certain hadiths. There could be severe punishment for that in Akhirah so fear Allah

Same goes for Isteghasa bi GhairAllah. Asking someone other than Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) for help. I believe it has been discussed in the past and there's certainly no issues with it. We ask random people in our daily lives for help it's isteghasa too. Now Rasool (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) and Imams (عليه السلام) were given knowledge and miracles of all the previous Prophets (عليه السلام) how can asking them be shirk? It's non sense.

Tatbir isn't even a belief and Wilayat Takiwini, I don't know about it honestly.

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12 hours ago, Syed Ali Mehdi Shah Naqvi said:

you don't have to impress anyone by rejecting certain hadiths. There could be severe punishment for that in Akhirah so fear Allah

Brother, i would abandon my own parents if it meant saving my Akhirah if they pushed me to what Allah forbade. I would give everything up for the truth.  There is nobody i want to impress, and i am my own worst enemy - i actively am seeing my own biases, my own flaws, what my own blind spots are, and i am grilling myself on a regular basis before my soul is taken away.

In terms of 72 or 73 parts of knowledge, this requires another exposition itself.

However, i want to focus on the attributes of Allah - nobod but he possesses his names. Any limited form i.e. Rahmah of Muhammad saw, is not comparable to that of Allah, and i know nobody thinks that, but when one says the Imams are the names of Allah, the wording is careless and gives off this impression and this is where we need to be careful because someone might get the wrong idea.

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On 4/6/2025 at 6:56 PM, In Gods Name said:

Salafis get a get out of jail card with Shias promoting beliefs like this

Sunni diplomatic immunity is uttering the phase , "in a manner that befits His Majesty" Sunni get out of anthropomorphic jail free card

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On 4/9/2025 at 6:27 PM, In Gods Name said:

Brother, i would abandon my own parents if it meant saving my Akhirah if they pushed me to what Allah forbade.

Funnily enough, abandoning your parents means your Akhirah is doomed anyways. 

Rejecting Hadith just because they don't sit well with your nafs is a grave sin that will lead you to hellfire, so be careful rejecting Hadith you don't like, if there is a chance that it was said by the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) or a Masum.

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